ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Niels van Namen - Health care futurist
Niels van Namen leads the UPS Europe Healthcare team as the Vice President for Healthcare.

Why you should listen

Niels van Namen has more than 20 years of experience in the health care and life science industry, working closely with customers across R&D, supply chain and manufacturing. He is passionately involved in key developments and supply chain challenges in the health care value chain; in clinical and commercial biopharmaceutical supply chains; in the complexities of medical device distribution, returns, consignments; in hospital logistics; and in final mile, home healthcare distribution and care systems. He is responsible for all health care customers and the team across all UPS business units, providing strategic direction to leverage UPS's expertise in supply chain transportation, inventory management, distribution and regulatory compliance to support healthcare companies.

van Namen started his career as an engineer and an entrepreneur in clinical trials management. He initiated Diagnostic Units, a company performing clinical trials and providing regular diagnostics and care to patients in Europe. And he worked in the IBM Healthcare consulting practice and then joined DSV to lead the global Healthcare solutions industry.

van Namen is a PDA member, holds an MSc from Delft University of Technology, obtained his MBA on the Rotterdam School of Management and holds a certificate from l'École Nationale des Ponts et Chaussées in Paris. He lives in the Netherlands, is married and has three children.

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Niels van Namen: Why the hospital of the future will be your own home

尼尔斯 · 范纳曼: 为什么未来的医院在你自己家中

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没人喜欢去医院,不管是因为去那儿的路途一波三折,还是冗长的程序带来的的巨额花销,或者是耐药的超级病菌引发的并发症风险。但如果我们在家中就可以得到救命的医疗护理呢?医疗卫生未来学家尼尔斯 · 范纳曼展示了技术的进步如何能够替代住院,使家庭护理成为一种更廉价、更安全、更方便的选择。
- Health care futurist
Niels van Namen leads the UPS Europe Healthcare team as the Vice President for Healthcare. Full bio

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Probably大概 not a surprise to you,
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也许你不会惊讶,
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but I don't like to be in a hospital醫院
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我不喜欢呆在医院,
00:18
or go to a hospital醫院.
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或去医院看病。
00:20
Do you?
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你喜欢吗?
00:21
I'm sure many许多 of you
feel the same相同 way, right?
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我相信你们很多人
有同样的感受,对吗?
00:24
But why? Why is it
that we hate讨厌 hospitals医院 so much?
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但为什么?为什么我们如此厌恶医院?
00:28
Or is it just a fact事实 of life
we have to live生活 with?
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这不是生活中不可避免的一个事实吗?
00:31
Is it the crappy蹩脚的 food餐饮?
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是难吃的病号饭?
00:34
Is it the expensive昂贵 parking停車處?
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是昂贵的停车费?
00:36
Is it the intense激烈 smell?
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是强烈的药水气味?
00:38
Or is it the fear恐惧 of the unknown未知?
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或者是对未知的恐惧?
00:41
Well, it's all of that, and it's more.
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全部都有,而且不止这些。
00:45
Patients耐心 often经常 have
to travel旅行 long distances距离
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病人常常需要赶很长一段路
00:47
to get to their nearest最近的 hospital醫院,
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才能到最近的医院,
00:50
and access访问 to hospital醫院 care关心
is becoming变得 more and more an issue问题
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而且在美国的乡村地区
00:54
in rural乡村 areas,
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要获得医院护理
00:55
in the US,
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越来越成问题,
00:57
but also in sparsely populated人口稠密
countries国家 like Sweden瑞典.
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在瑞典这样人口稀少的国家也是如此。
01:01
And even when hospitals医院 are more abundant丰富,
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即便当医院资源更加充裕时,
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typically一般 the poor较差的 and the elderly老年
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特别是穷人和老人也通常
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have trouble麻烦 getting得到 care关心
because they lack缺乏 transportation运输
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因为缺乏便利,廉价的交通
01:10
that is convenient方便 and affordable实惠 to them.
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而无法获得医疗服务。
01:13
And many许多 people are avoiding避免
hospital醫院 care关心 altogether,
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许多人甚至完全避开医疗治疗,
01:18
and they miss小姐 getting得到 proper正确 treatment治疗
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为了节省开销而错过了
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due应有 to cost成本.
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合适的治疗。
01:22
We see that 64 percent百分 of Americans美国人
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我们可以看到,有64%的美国人
01:26
are avoiding避免 care关心 due应有 to cost成本.
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因为费用问题而避免医疗服务。
01:30
And even when you do get treatment治疗,
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即便你接受了治疗,
01:33
hospitals医院 often经常 make us sicker病情加重.
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医院也常常会让我们病情加重。
01:37
Medical errors错误 are reported报道 to be
the third第三 cause原因 of death死亡 in the US,
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据报道,医疗事故是
美国的第三大致死因素,
01:43
just behind背后 cancer癌症 and heart disease疾病,
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仅次于癌症和心脏疾病,
01:46
the third第三 cause原因 of death死亡.
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第三大死因。
01:49
I'm in health健康 care关心 for over 20 years年份 now,
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我从事医疗行业已经20多年了,
01:51
and I witness见证 every一切 day how broken破碎
and how obsolete过时的 our hospital醫院 system系统 is.
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每天我都见证着我们的医院系统
是如此的破败和落后。
01:58
Let me give you two examples例子.
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让我给你们两个例子。
02:00
Four in 10 Japanese日本 medical doctors医生
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10个日本医生中有4个,
02:03
and five in 10 American美国 medical doctors医生
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10个美国医生中有5个
02:06
are burnt out.
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已经在超负荷工作了。
02:08
In my home country国家, the Netherlands荷兰,
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在我的祖国,荷兰,
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only 17 million百万 people live生活 there.
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只有1700万人口。
02:13
We are short 125,000 nurses护士
over the coming未来 years年份.
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在未来几年,我们会缺少12.5万名护士。
02:19
But how did we even end结束 up here,
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但我们是怎么走到这一步的,
02:21
in this idea理念 of placing配售
all kinds of sick生病 people
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把所有病人都集中到
02:24
together一起 in one big building建造?
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一幢大楼里的?
02:27
Well, we have to go back
to the Ancient Greeks希腊人.
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这就要追溯到古希腊时期。
02:31
In 400 BC公元前, temples寺庙 for cure治愈 were erected架设
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公元前400年,人们建造了治病的庙宇,
02:34
where people could go
to get their diagnosis诊断,
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病人在那里可以得到诊断,
02:36
their treatment治疗 and their healing复原.
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治疗和恢复。
02:39
And then really for about 2,000 years年份,
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在之后的2000年间,
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we've我们已经 seen看到 religious宗教 care关心 centers中心
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我们看到了教会的护理中心,
02:45
all the way up
to the Industrial产业 Revolution革命,
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直到进入工业革命时期,
02:48
where we've我们已经 seen看到 hospitals医院
being存在 set up as assembly部件 lines线
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我们看到医院基于工业革命的原则,
02:56
based基于 on the principles原则
of the Industrial产业 Revolution革命,
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像流水线那样尽快产出产品,
02:58
to produce生产 efficiently有效率的
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提升了生产效率,
03:00
and get the products制品,
the patients耐心 in this case案件,
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在医院的案例中,产品变成了病人,
03:02
out of the hospital醫院 as soon不久 as possible可能.
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以让他们尽快走出医院。
03:06
Over the last century世纪, we've我们已经 seen看到
lots of interesting有趣 innovations创新.
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在过去一个世纪中,
我们看到了很多有趣的创新。
03:10
We figured想通 out how to make insulin胰岛素.
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我们找到了制造胰岛素的方法。
03:13
We invented发明 pacemakers心脏起搏器 and X-rayX-射线,
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我们发明了起搏器和X光,
03:16
and we even came来了 into this wonderful精彩
new era时代 of cell细胞 and gene基因 therapies治疗.
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我们甚至进入了细胞和
基因治疗的奇妙新时代。
03:21
But the biggest最大 change更改
to fix固定 our hospital醫院 system系统 altogether
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但修复我们医疗系统的最大变革
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is still ahead of us.
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仍然没有到来。
03:28
And I believe it's time now,
we have the opportunity机会,
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我相信现在是时候了,我们有机会
03:31
to revolutionize革命化 the system系统 altogether
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去彻底改革整个系统,
03:34
and forget忘记 about
our current当前 hospital醫院 system系统.
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完全忘掉我们现有的医院系统。
03:37
I believe it's time to create创建 a new system系统
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我相信是时候创造新的,
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that revolves围绕 around health健康 care关心 at home.
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以家庭护理为中心的系统了。
03:43
Recent最近 research研究 has shown显示
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最近的研究发现,
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that 46 percent百分 of hospital醫院 care关心
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46%的医院治疗
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can move移动 to the patient's耐心 home.
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可以转移到患者家中进行。
03:52
That's a lot.
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这个数量相当庞大。
03:54
And that's mainly主要 for those patients耐心
who suffer遭受 from chronic慢性 diseases疾病.
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这主要是针对那些患有慢性疾病的病人。
03:58
With that, hospitals医院 can and should
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对此,医院可以,而且应该
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reduce减少 to smaller,
agile敏捷 and mobile移动 care关心 centers中心
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精简到专注于急症治疗的
更加小型,灵活和移动的
04:05
focused重点 on acute急性 care关心.
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医疗中心。
04:07
So things like neonatology新生儿科,
intensive集约 care关心, surgery手术 and imaging成像
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比如新生儿,重症监护,手术和成像,
04:13
will still remain at the hospitals医院,
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这些可以仍然保留在医院,
04:16
at least最小 I believe
for the foreseeable可预见的 future未来.
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至少在可预见的未来是这样。
04:20
A few少数 weeks ago, I met会见 a colleague同事
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几周前,我遇到一个同事,
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whose谁的 mom妈妈 was diagnosed确诊
with incurable不可救药 cancer癌症,
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她妈妈被诊断患了癌症,时日无多。
04:25
and she said, "Niels尼尔斯, it's hard.
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她说:“尼尔斯,真的很艰难。
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It's so hard when we know
that she's got only months个月 to live生活.
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当知道她只有几个月生命时,
一切都变得如此艰难。
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Instead代替 of playing播放 with the grandchildren孙子,
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她无法再和孙子们玩耍了,
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she now has to travel旅行 three times a week
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现在她每周需要外出三次,
04:38
two hours小时 up and down to Amsterdam阿姆斯特丹
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经历两个小时的颠簸到阿姆斯特丹,
04:40
just to get her treatment治疗 and tests测试."
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就为了进行治疗和检查。”
04:43
And that really breaks休息 my heart,
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这让我感到很伤心,
04:45
because we all know
that a professional专业的 nurse护士
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因为我们都知道,一个专业的护士
04:49
could draw her blood血液
at home as well, right?
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在家就可以进行抽血操作,对吧?
04:51
And if she could get her tests测试
and treatment治疗 at home as well,
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如果她也能在家接受治疗和检查,
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she could do the things
that are really important重要 to her
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就可以利用她生命的
最后几个月做一些
04:58
in her last months个月.
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真正对她重要的事情。
05:01
My own拥有 mom妈妈, 82 years年份 old now --
God bless保佑 her --
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我的母亲,现在82岁了
——老天保佑她——
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she's avoiding避免 to go to the hospital醫院
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她不想去医院,
05:08
because she finds认定 it difficult
to plan计划 and manage管理 the journey旅程.
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因为她发现很难规划和管理她的行程。
05:12
So my sisters姐妹 and I, we help her out.
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于是我和妹妹会帮她搞定。
05:15
But there's many许多 elderly老年 people
who are avoiding避免 care关心
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但有很多不去医院的老年人,
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and are waiting等候 that long
that it becomes life-threatening危及生命,
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拖的时间过长,到了危及生命的程度,
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and it's straight直行
to the costly昂贵, intensive集约 care关心.
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不得不直接进入昂贵的重症监护环节。
05:26
Dr博士. CovinskyCovinsky, a clinical临床 researcher研究员
at the University大学 of California加州,
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科文斯基博士,加州大学的临床研究员
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he concludes总结 that a third第三
of patients耐心 over 70
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得出结论,1/3年龄超过70岁的人
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and more than half of patients耐心 over 85,
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和超过一半年龄超过85岁的人,
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leave离开 the hospital醫院 more disabled
than when they came来了 in.
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离开医院时比他们进来的时候更糟糕。
05:41
And a very practical实际的 problem问题
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很多病人去医院
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that many许多 patients耐心 face面对
when they have to go to a hospital醫院 is:
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不得不面临的一个实际问题是:
05:48
Where do I go with my main主要
companion伴侣 in life,
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我和我的主要生活伴侣要去哪里,
05:52
where do I go with my dog?
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我和我的狗要去哪里?
05:57
That's our dog, by the way.
Isn't she cute可爱?
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这是我的狗,她是不是很可爱?
05:59
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
06:02
But it's not only about convenience方便.
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但这并不只跟便利有关。
06:04
It's also about unnecessary不必要
health健康 care关心 stays入住 and costs成本.
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它还涉及到不必要的医疗住宿和费用。
06:09
A friend朋友 of mine, Art艺术,
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我的一个朋友,阿特,
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he recently最近 needed需要 to be hospitalized住院
for just a minor次要 surgery手术,
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他最近需要住院接受一个小手术,
06:15
and he had to stay in the hospital醫院
for over two weeks,
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他不得不在医院呆两个星期,
06:17
just because he needed需要
a specific具体 kind of IVIV antibiotics抗生素.
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只是因为他需要
一种特殊的静脉抗生素。
06:21
So he occupied占据 a bed for two weeks
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于是他占用了一张病床两周,
06:25
that cost成本 over a thousand euros欧元 a day.
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每天需要花费超过1千欧。
06:27
It's just ridiculous荒谬.
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这真是荒谬。
06:29
And these costs成本 are really
at the heart of the issue问题.
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这些费用正是问题的核心。
06:32
So we've我们已经 seen看到 over many许多
of our global全球 economies经济,
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我们看到了很多全球经济中,
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health健康 care关心 expense费用 grow增长
as a percentage百分比 of GDPGDP
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医疗支出在GDP中的
占比在过去这些年
06:38
over the last years年份.
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一直在增长。
06:40
So here we see
that over the last 50 years年份,
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在过去50年间,
06:43
health健康 care关心 expense费用 has grown长大的
from about five percent百分 in Germany德国
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医疗费用占比在德国从5%
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to about 11 percent百分 now.
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上升到现在的11%。
06:50
In the US, we've我们已经 seen看到 growth发展
from six percent百分 to over 17 percent百分 now.
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在美国,这个比例从6%上升到17%。
06:56
And a large portion一部分 of these costs成本
are driven驱动 by investments投资
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这些花费中很大部分来于
07:00
in large, shiny闪亮 hospital醫院 buildings房屋.
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对宏伟,熠熠生辉的医院建筑的投资。
07:03
And these buildings房屋 are not flexible灵活,
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这些大楼并不灵活,
07:05
and they maintain保持 a system系统
where hospital醫院 beds need to be filled填充
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还维持着一个需要
让医院的床位被占满,
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for a hospital醫院 to run efficiently有效率的.
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以保持医院效率的体系。
07:11
There's no incentive激励
for a hospital醫院 to run with less beds.
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于是医院就没有动力减少床位。
07:15
Just the thought of that
makes品牌 you sick生病, right?
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一想到这个你就恶心,是吧?
07:18
And here's这里的 the thing: the cost成本
for treating治疗 my buddy伙伴 Art艺术 at home
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事实上:我的朋友阿特在家治疗的费用
07:22
can be up to 10 times cheaper便宜
than hospital醫院 care关心.
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要比医在院的花费便宜10倍。
07:27
And that is where we're headed当家.
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那就是我们前进的方向。
07:29
The hospital醫院 bed of the future未来
will be in our own拥有 homes家园.
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医院未来的床位在我们自己的家中。
07:34
And it's already已经 starting开始.
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而且这种趋势已经开始了。
07:35
Global全球 home care关心 is growing生长
10 percent百分 year over year.
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全球家庭护理正在以
每年10%的速度增长。
07:39
And from my own拥有 experience经验,
I see that logistics后勤 and technology技术
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从我个人的经验来看,物流和技术
07:44
are making制造 these home
health健康 care关心 solutions解决方案 work.
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让家庭医疗护理变得可行。
07:48
Technology技术 is already已经
allowing允许 us to do things
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技术让我们可以做过去
07:50
that were once一旦 exclusive独家 to hospitals医院.
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只有医院才能做的事情。
07:53
Diagnosis诊断 tests测试 like blood血液,
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如血液,
07:56
glucose葡萄糖 tests测试, urine尿 tests测试, can now
be taken采取 in the comfort安慰 of our homes家园.
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葡萄糖和尿液检测那样的诊断测试,
现在可以在舒适的家中进行。
08:01
And more and more connected连接的 devices设备
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越来越多的联网设备,
08:05
we see like pacemakers心脏起搏器 and insulin胰岛素 pumps
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如心脏起搏器和胰岛素泵,
08:08
that will proactively主动 signal信号
if help is needed需要 soon不久.
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在紧急情况下会发出预警信号。
08:12
And all that technology技术 is coming未来 together一起
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所有这些技术组合在一起
08:14
in much more insights见解
into the patients'耐心' health健康,
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可以更加深入地理解病人的健康,
08:18
and that insight眼光 and all of
the information信息 leads引线 to better control控制
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这样的剖析和所有这些信息
可以带来更好的控制,
08:22
and to less medical errors错误 --
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并减少医疗事故——
08:24
remember记得, the third第三 cause原因 of death死亡
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记住,这可是美国第三大
08:27
in the US.
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死因。
08:29
And I see it every一切 day at work.
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我每天都在工作中见证这些。
08:31
I work in logistics后勤
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我工作在物流领域,
08:33
and for me, home health健康 care关心 works作品.
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对我而言,家庭医护的确可行。
08:38
So we see a delivery交货 driver司机
deliver交付 the medicine医学
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我们看到送货司机运输药物
08:42
to the patient's耐心 home.
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到患者家中。
08:44
A nurse护士 joins加入 him
and actually其实 administers的管理权限 the drug药物
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护士与他一道,在患者家中
08:47
at the patient's耐心 home.
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进行管理药物。
08:50
It's that simple简单.
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就是这么简单。
08:52
Remember记得 my buddy伙伴, Art艺术?
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还记得我的朋友,阿特?
08:54
He can now get the IVIV antibiotics抗生素
in the comfort安慰 of his home:
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他现在可以在舒适的家中
获得静脉注射抗生素:
08:57
no hospital醫院 pajamas睡衣, no crappy蹩脚的 food餐饮
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不需要穿病号服,吃难吃的病号餐,
09:01
and no risk风险 of these
antibiotic-resistant抗生素耐药性 superbugs超级细菌
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也不会面临被只存在于
医院中的那些耐抗生素的
09:06
that only bite you in these hospitals医院.
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超级病菌叮咬的风险。
09:08
And it goes further进一步.
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好处还不止于此。
09:10
So now the elderly老年 people
can get the treatment治疗 that they need
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现在老年人也可以在他们舒适的家中
09:14
in the comfort安慰 of their own拥有 home
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获得所需要的治疗,
09:16
while with their best最好 companion伴侣 in life.
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同时有生活中最佳伴侣陪同。
09:19
And there's no need anymore
to drive驾驶 hours小时 and hours小时
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也不再需要开车几个小时,
09:22
just to get your treatment治疗 and tests测试.
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只是为了获得医疗和检查。
09:25
In the Netherlands荷兰 and in Denmark丹麦,
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在荷兰和丹麦,
我们在癌症诊所看到了
09:27
we've我们已经 seen看到 very good successes成功
in cancer癌症 clinics诊所
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09:29
organizing组织 chemotherapies化疗
at the patient's耐心 homes家园,
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在病人家中组织化疗的非常成功的例子,
09:34
sometimes有时 even together一起
with fellow同伴 patients耐心.
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有时候甚至几个病友一起。
09:38
The best最好 improvements改进 for these patients耐心
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对于这些病人而言,
09:40
have been improvements改进
in reduction减少 in stress强调,
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最大的改善在于压力、
09:44
anxiety焦虑 disorders障碍 and depression萧条.
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焦虑障碍和抑郁的减轻。
09:47
Home health健康 care关心 also helped帮助 them
to get back a sense of normality常态
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家庭医护也帮助他们找回了生活中的
09:51
and freedom自由 in their lives生活,
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正常和自由的感觉,
09:53
and they've他们已经 actually其实 helped帮助 them
to forget忘记 about their disease疾病.
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这其实也帮助他们忘记了病痛。
09:59
But home health健康 care关心, Niels尼尔斯 --
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但关于家庭医护,尼尔斯——
10:02
what if I don't even have a home,
when I'm homeless无家可归,
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如果我没有家,当我无家可归时,
10:06
or when I do have a home
but there's no one to take care关心 of me
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或者当我有家,但没人可以照看我,
或者连开窗户都没人帮忙时怎么办?
10:09
or even open打开 up the door?
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10:12
Well, in comes our sharing分享 economy经济,
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这个时候我们的共享经济就发挥作用了。
10:15
or, as I like to call it,
the Airbnb制作的Airbnb for home care关心.
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或者,我喜欢称之为,家庭医护爱彼迎。
10:19
In the Netherlands荷兰,
we see churches教堂 and care关心 organizations组织
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在荷兰,我们看到教堂和护理机构
10:22
match比赛 people in need of care关心 and company公司
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会将需要护理和陪伴的人们,
与有家并能提供医护
10:25
with people who actually其实
have a home for them
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和陪伴的人们进行匹配。
10:27
and can provide提供 care关心 and company公司 to them.
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10:30
Home health健康 care关心 is cheaper便宜,
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家庭医护更便宜,
10:32
it's easier更轻松 to facilitate促进,
and it's quick to set up --
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它易于安置,可以快速投入使用——
10:36
in these rural乡村 areas we talked about,
but also in humanitarian人道主义 crisis危机 situations情况
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在这些我们谈到的农村地区,
也在人道主义危机的情况下,
10:40
where it's often经常 safer更安全, quicker更快
and cheaper便宜 to set things up at home.
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把医疗设施放在家里通常
要更加安全,快速和廉价。
10:48
Home health健康 care关心 is very applicable适用
in prosperous繁荣 areas
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家庭医护非常适用于繁荣地区,
10:52
but also very much
in underserved缺医少药 communities社区.
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但在服务水平低下的社区也是如此。
10:55
Home health健康 care关心
works作品 in developed发达 countries国家
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家庭护理对发达国家有效,
10:58
as well as in developing发展 countries国家.
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对发展中国家也是如此。
11:00
So I'm passionate多情 to help facilitate促进
improvements改进 in patients'耐心' lives生活
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因此,我非常热衷于通过家庭医护服务
11:06
due应有 to home health健康 care关心.
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帮助改善病人的生活。
11:08
I'm passionate多情 to help facilitate促进
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我热衷于帮助
11:11
that the elderly老年 people
get the treatment治疗 that they need
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那些老年人在自己舒适的家中
11:13
in the comfort安慰 of their own拥有 homes家园,
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获得所需要的治疗,
11:15
together一起 with their
best最好 companion伴侣 in life.
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有他们生活中最佳伴侣的陪伴。
11:18
I'm passionate多情 to make the change更改
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我热衷于推动改变,
11:21
and help ensure确保 that patients耐心,
and not their disease疾病,
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帮助确保是病人,而不是他们的疾病
11:24
are in control控制 of their lives生活.
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在掌控他们的生活。
11:27
To me, that is health健康 care关心
delivered交付 at home.
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对我而言,这就是医疗护理上门服务。
11:30
Thank you.
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谢谢。
11:31
(Applause掌声)
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(鼓掌)
Translated by jacks peng
Reviewed by Lipeng Chen

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Niels van Namen - Health care futurist
Niels van Namen leads the UPS Europe Healthcare team as the Vice President for Healthcare.

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Niels van Namen has more than 20 years of experience in the health care and life science industry, working closely with customers across R&D, supply chain and manufacturing. He is passionately involved in key developments and supply chain challenges in the health care value chain; in clinical and commercial biopharmaceutical supply chains; in the complexities of medical device distribution, returns, consignments; in hospital logistics; and in final mile, home healthcare distribution and care systems. He is responsible for all health care customers and the team across all UPS business units, providing strategic direction to leverage UPS's expertise in supply chain transportation, inventory management, distribution and regulatory compliance to support healthcare companies.

van Namen started his career as an engineer and an entrepreneur in clinical trials management. He initiated Diagnostic Units, a company performing clinical trials and providing regular diagnostics and care to patients in Europe. And he worked in the IBM Healthcare consulting practice and then joined DSV to lead the global Healthcare solutions industry.

van Namen is a PDA member, holds an MSc from Delft University of Technology, obtained his MBA on the Rotterdam School of Management and holds a certificate from l'École Nationale des Ponts et Chaussées in Paris. He lives in the Netherlands, is married and has three children.

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