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Michael Moschen: Juggling as art ... and science
Michael Moschen:杂耍的节奏与运动
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Michael Moschen带来了一场迷人的、催眠一般的杂耍表演。认为杂耍算不上艺术？看过Moschen的表演也许你会改变想法。
Michael Moschen - Juggler
Quite simply, Michael Moschen has revolutionized juggling, refining it into an art and a bit of a science. With a few flying balls and well-chosen props he will completely re-wire your notions of the physically possible. Full bio
Quite simply, Michael Moschen has revolutionized juggling, refining it into an art and a bit of a science. With a few flying balls and well-chosen props he will completely re-wire your notions of the physically possible. Full bio
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00:19
I started juggling a long time ago,
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很久以前我就开始玩杂耍，
00:21
but long before that, I was a golfer, and that's what I was, a golfer.
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远远早于成为高尔夫球手，是的，我是个高尔夫球手。
00:27
And as a golfer and as a kid,
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作为一个高尔夫球手，作为一个孩子
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one of the things that really sort of seeped into my pores,
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所有让我痴迷的事物中
00:34
that I sort of lived my whole life, is process.
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那些伴随我一生的事物中，有一样是"过程"。
00:37
And it's the process of learning things.
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学习的过程
00:39
One of the great things was that my father was an avid golfer, but he was lefty.
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有一件很棒的事，我的父亲是个干劲十足的高尔夫球手，但他是个左撇子。
00:43
And he had a real passion for golf,
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他非常热爱高尔夫球，
00:45
and he also created this whole mythology
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并且他也创造了一整套的神话
00:48
about Ben Hogan and various things.
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关于Ben Hogan和其他事的。
00:50
Well, I learned a lot about interesting things
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是的，我认识了很多有趣的事物
00:52
that I knew nothing about at the time, but grew to know stuff about.
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在那时我什么都不认识，但在长大的过程才知道
00:56
And that was the mythology of skill.
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那就是技巧的神话。
00:59
So, one of the things that I love to do is to explore skill.
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所以在我所喜欢做的事情里面，有一项就是摸索技巧。
01:02
And since Richard put me on this whole thing with music --
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自从Richard让我跟着音乐一起玩杂耍
01:06
I'm supposed to actually be doing a project with Tod Machover
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我就应与Tod Machover，和MIT多媒体实验室
01:09
with the MIT Media Lab -- it relates a lot to music.
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一起研究一个项目，它与音乐有很大的关系。
01:11
But Tod couldn't come and the project is sort of somewhere,
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但今天Tod来不了，现在这个项目进行到一定地方了
01:14
I'm not sure whether it's happening the way we thought, or not.
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我不确定它会不会按我们所设想的那样发生
01:17
But I'm going to explore skill, and juggling,
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但是我将给大探索一下技巧，杂耍，
01:21
and basically visual music, I guess.
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以及，我想，大概可被称作是可视化音乐的东西
01:28
OK, you can start the music, thanks.
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好了，你可以开始播放那音乐了，谢谢。
01:30
(Music)
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（音乐）
04:28
(Applause)
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（掌声）
04:31
Thanks. Thank you. Now, juggling can be a lot of fun;
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谢谢。杂耍呢，可以是很有趣的。
04:40
play with skill and play with space, play with rhythm.
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玩技巧，玩空间，玩节奏
04:44
And you can turn the mike on now. I'm going to do a couple of pieces.
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你现在可以把话筒打开了，我要做几段表演。
04:47
I do a big piece in a triangle
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用三角形内表演一个长段。
04:50
and these are three sections from it.
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这是其中三部分
04:52
Part of the challenge was to try to understand rhythm and space
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难题的一部分是要不仅用双手
04:55
using not just my hands -- because a lot of juggling is hand-oriented --
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更要利用身体与双脚的节奏弄清楚节奏和空间——
04:59
but using the rhythm of my body and feet,
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因为很多杂耍都是以手为中心
05:01
and controlling the balls with my feet.
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然后用我的双脚控制这些球
06:22
(Applause)
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（掌声）
06:27
Thanks. Now, this next section was an attempt to explore space.
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谢谢。现在，下一部分则是尝试着去探索空间。
06:35
You see, I think Richard said something about people that are against something.
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你看，我想Richard谈论过人们是做不到一些东西的
06:39
Well, a lot of people think jugglers defy gravity or do stuff.
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唔，很多人都认为杂耍演员能够违背重力去完成他们的把戏
06:45
Well, I kind of, from my childhood and golf and all that,
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而从我儿时的高尔夫球等等经历中
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it's a process of joining with forces.
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我知道，那是一个与力结合的过程。
06:51
And so what I'd like to do is try to figure out
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所以我所想要做的是试着去弄清楚
06:52
how to join with the space through the technique.
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怎么通过技巧与空间结合起来。
06:55
So juggling gravity -- up, down.
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然后耍弄重力——上，下。
07:00
If you figure out what up and down really are,
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如果你明白了“上”与“下”真正是什么，
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it's a complex physical set of skills
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那么你就知道能够将一个球扔下抛上或者怎么着，
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to be able to throw a ball down and up and everything,
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是一系列复杂的物理技巧。
07:12
but then you add in sideways.
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然后你还可以加上侧边的动作。
07:37
(Applause)
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（掌声）
07:43
Now, I look at it somewhat as a way -- when you learn juggling
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现在，我有几分把它看作一种方法——当你学习杂耍的时候
07:48
what you learn is how to feel with your eyes, and see with your hands
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你要学习的事怎么用你的眼睛去感受，用你的双手去观察
07:52
because you're not looking at your hands,
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因为你并不是在看着你的双手，
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you're looking at where the balls are or you're looking at the audience.
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你所看的是球在哪里，或者是观众。
07:57
So this next part is really a way of understanding space and rhythm,
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然后下一部分就是利用双脚作为参照
08:02
with the obvious reference to the feet,
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去理解空间与节奏。
08:04
but it's also time -- where the feet were, where the balls were.
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但也包括时间，双脚的位置，球的位置。
09:25
(Applause)
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（掌声）
09:35
Thanks. So, visual music: rhythm and complexity.
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谢谢。这就是视觉化音乐，节奏，以及它们的综合。
09:40
I'm going to build towards complexity now.
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我在慢慢建立这种综合。
09:42
Juggling three balls is simple and normal.
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摆弄三个球很简单，也很普通。
09:46
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
09:48
Excuse me.
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抱歉
09:50
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
09:52
We're jugglers, OK. And remember, you're transposing,
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好吧，我们是杂耍演员。记得，你在变位。
09:55
you're getting into a subculture here.
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你现在将进入一种亚文化
09:57
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
09:58
And juggling -- the balls cross and all that.
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玩弄着球，
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OK, if you keep them in their assigned paths you get parallel lines
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好了，如果你将他们保持在指定的路径你将得到平行的路径
10:05
of different heights, but then hopefully even rhythm.
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不同的高度，然后，顺利的话，是一种节奏。
10:08
And you can change the rhythm -- good, Michael.
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然后你可以改变节奏——Michael，谢谢
10:12
You can change the rhythm, if you get out of the lights.
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如果你从灯光出走出来的话你可以改变节奏
10:14
OK? Change the rhythm, so it's even.
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可以吧？改变节奏让他变得有规律。
10:18
Or you can go back and change the height. Now, skill.
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或者你可以倒回前面，改变高度。现在就是技巧了。
10:24
But you're boxed in, if you can only do it up and down that way.
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但如果你只能上下上下的话那么你就是将自己闲置起来了。
10:28
So, you've got to go after the space down there.
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所以你必须在空间上有所追求。
10:37
OK, then you've got to combine them,
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好了，之后你得把它们组合起来
10:40
because then you have the whole spatial palette in front of you.
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因为你前面有一整个宽敞的舞台。
10:49
And then you get crazy.
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然后你就疯起来了。
10:59
(Applause)
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（掌声）
11:03
Now, I'm actually going to ask you to try something,
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现在，我得让你尝试一些东西
11:07
so you've got to pay attention. Complexity:
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好让你必须集中你的注意力——复合，
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if you spend enough time doing something, time slows down
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如果你花足够时间做某件事情的话，那么时间会减慢，
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or your skill increases, so your perceptions change.
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或者你的技巧提升了，所以你的感知会发生变化。
11:17
It's learning skills -- like being in a high-speed car crash.
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这是学习的技巧，就像处于汽车高速碰撞之中一样。
11:21
Things slow down as you learn, as you learn, as you learn.
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做事情的速度有减慢，随着你的不断学习。
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You may not be able to affect it, it almost drifts on you. It goes.
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你可能无法影响它，它几乎漂在你身上，它会变化。
11:28
But that's the closest approximation I can have to it.
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这是我能做得最接近的一个比喻
11:31
So, complexity. Now, how many here are jugglers?
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所以，复杂性。那么现在这里有多少的杂耍者？
11:37
OK, so most of you are going to have a similar reaction to this.
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好吧，你们中间大部分人都会对此有相似的反应。
11:48
OK? And whoever laughed there --
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不对么，那边笑的人
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you understood it completely, right?
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你们彻底明白了，对吗？
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(Laughter)
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笑声
11:54
No, it looks like a mess. It looks like a mess with a guy there,
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不对，这看起来很混乱
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who's got his hands around that mess, OK.
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就像一个人两手混乱一样。
12:00
Well, that's what juggling is about, right?
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恩，这就是所谓的杂耍，你们说呢
12:02
It's being able to do something that other people can't do or can't understand.
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就是做一些别人做不到或者不能理解的事情
12:06
All right. So, that's one way of doing it, which is five balls down.
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好的。所以这是杂耍的一种方式，5个球向下。
12:09
OK? Another way is the outside.
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另一种花样，向外
12:14
And you could play with the rhythm.
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并且你可以跟着节奏一起玩
12:18
Same pattern.
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同一个花样
12:21
Make it faster and smaller.
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做得更快，范围更小，
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Make it wider.
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更宽
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Make it narrower.
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或者做得更窄
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Bring it back up.
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把球拿回来
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OK. It's done. Thanks.
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好了，结束，谢谢
12:38
(Applause)
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鼓掌
12:41
Now, what I wanted to get to is that you're all very bright, very tactile.
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现在，我想说的是你们都很聪明，很有触动
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I have no idea how computer-oriented or three-dimensionally-oriented you are,
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我不知道你们的逻辑性和三维空间感有多强，
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but let's try something.
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不管怎么样，让我们来尝试一下一些东西
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OK, so since you all don't understand what the five-ball pattern is,
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好，因为你们不了解什么是五球花样
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I'm going to give you a little clue.
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我将会给你们一些提示
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Enough of a clue? So, you get the pattern, right? OK.
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这个提示够吧，你们应该知道这个花样的套路了对么。。好
13:18
(Laughter)
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笑声
13:21
You're not getting off that easy. All right?
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还是没那么容易明白吧，好吧
13:26
Now, do me a favor: follow the ball that I ask you to follow.
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现在，帮我个忙，看着我要你们看的那个球
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Green.
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绿色的
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Yellow.
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黄色的
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Pink.
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粉色的
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White.
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白色的
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OK, you can do that? Yeah? OK.
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好了，现在你们能做到了。。很好
13:43
Now, let's actually learn something.
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现在让我们真正得学点东西吧
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Actually, let me put you in that area of learning, which is very insecure.
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实际上，我会把你们带到一个很危险的学习区域
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You want to do it? Yeah? OK.
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你们想学么，好，很好
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Hands out in front of you. Palms up, together.
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把手拿出来放在身前，并且摊开
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What you're going to learn is this.
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你们要学的就是这样
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(Laughter)
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笑声
14:05
OK? So what I want you to do is just listen to me and do it.
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好吗？我想让你们做的就是听我说，然后照着做
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Index finger, middle finger, ring, little.
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食指，中指，无名指，小指
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Little, ring, middle, index. And then open.
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小指，无名指，中指，食指，然后打开
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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手指，手指，手指…………
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A little bit faster.
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加快一点
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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手指，手指，手指…………
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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手指，手指，手指…………
14:28
(Laughter)
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笑声
14:29
All right. A lot of different learning processes going on in here.
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好吧，很多不同的学习过程在这里都有了
14:33
(Laughter)
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笑声
14:35
One learning process that I see is this --
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一个学习过程我看到的是这样的
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(Laughter)
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笑声
14:40
OK. Another learning process that I see is this --
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好吧，另外一个是这样的
14:45
(Laughter)
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笑声
14:48
OK. So, everybody take a deep breath in, breath out. OK.
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好了，大家深呼吸，吸气~呼气~
14:53
Now, one more time, and --
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现在，再来一次
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finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Open.
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手指，手指，手指…………打开
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. OK.
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手指，手指，手指…………
15:02
Shake your hands out.
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甩甩你的手
15:04
Now, I assume a lot of you spend a lot of time at a computer.
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现在，我想你们很多人都在电脑上花了很多时间？
15:07
OK? So, what you're doing is, you're going la, la, la,
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所以，你们经常做的就“滴滴答答”（动动手）
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and you're getting this. OK?
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然后你看屏幕
15:12
So that's exactly what I'm going to ask you to do,
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这些正是我将要叫你们去做的
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but in a slightly different way. You're going to combine it.
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但是有一点点不同，我们将把他们结合起来
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So what I want you to do is -- fingers.
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我要你们做的就是动动手指
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I'll tell you what to do with your fingers, same thing.
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我会告诉你们怎么用你们的手指，跟刚才一样
15:22
But I want you to do is also, with your eyes,
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另外我还会要求你们同时用自己的眼睛
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is follow the colored ball that I ask you to follow.
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去盯着那些被我提到的有颜色的球
15:28
(Laughter)
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笑声
15:30
OK? Here we go.
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好了，我们开始吧
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So, we're going to start off looking at the white ball --
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我们首先将从看这个白色的球开始
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and I'm going to tell you which color,
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然后我会告诉你哪种颜色
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and I'm also going to tell you to go with your fingers. OK?
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同时我还会告诉你动气手指来。好了吗？
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So white ball and --
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那么白球~
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finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Pink.
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手指，手指，手指…………，粉色球
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Green.
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手指，手指，手指…………绿色球
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Finger, finger, finger, finger. Yellow.
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手指，手指，手指…………黄色球
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Finger, finger, finger, pink or finger.
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手指，手指，手指…………粉色球 或者 继续
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Pink, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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粉色球。。手指，手指，手指…………
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All right.
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笑声
16:04
(Applause)
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掌声
16:07
How did you do? Well? OK. The reason I wanted you to do this is
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你们学得怎么样？不错么？ 好吧，我让你们做这个是因为
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because that's actually what most people face throughout their lives,
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这是绝大多数人在人生中都要面对的
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a moment of learning, a moment of challenge.
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学习的那一刻，挑战的那一瞬间
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It's a moment that you can't make sense of.
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这是一个你觉得很有挫败感的瞬间。
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Why the hell should I learn this? OK?
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见鬼我为什么要学这个呢
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Does it really have anything to do with anything in my life?
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这些东西跟我的生活会真的有什么关系么。
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You know, I can't decipher -- is it fun? Is it challenging? Am I supposed to cheat?
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你知道，我解释不了。 是乐趣？是挑战？还是我打算行骗？
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(Laughter)
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You know, what are you supposed to do?
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那你打算怎么做呢？
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You've got somebody up here who is the operative principle
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你知道有人用有效的的原理
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of doing that for his whole life. OK?
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用一辈子的时间来做那个。对吧？
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Trying to figure that stuff out. But is it going to get you anywhere?
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努力把它想清楚。但是它真的在哪里难倒你了吗？
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It's just a moment. That's all it is, a moment. OK?
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这仅仅是某一瞬间，仅仅如此
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I'm going to change the script for one second. Just let me do this.
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我要改点今天演讲的内容，让我这么做吧
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I don't need music for it. Talking about time in a moment.
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对它我不需要音乐，话说某一时刻中的时间
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There's a piece that I recently developed which was all about that,
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a moment. And what I do as a creative artist
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is I develop vocabularies or languages of moving objects.
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我所做的是开发了关于运动物体的词汇或语言。
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What I've done for you here, I developed a lot of those tricks
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在此，我已为你们做了的是开发了很多那样的戏法
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and I put the choreography together,
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同时我把它们编成了舞蹈，
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but they're not original techniques.
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但是它们不是原本的技巧。
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Now, I'm going to start showing you some original techniques
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现在，我会向大家显示一些原始的技巧
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that come from the work that I've developed. OK?
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他们来自我所开发的作品。
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So, a moment, how would you define a moment?
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一个瞬间，你们怎么定义一个瞬间呢
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Well, as a juggler, what I wanted to do was create something
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是的，作为一个杂耍者我要做的是弄点花样出来
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that was representational of a moment.
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能很生动形象得表示一个瞬间
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Ahhh.
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啊（大吼）
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All right, I'm going to get on my knees and do it.
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那么，我将跪下，然后开始
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So, a moment.
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好，一个瞬间
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(Rattling)
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OK? And then, what I did as a juggler was say,
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OK, what can I do to make that something
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我能做什么可以使某个
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that is dependent on something else, another dynamic.
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和其他事物互相依赖的事物成为又一个动态过程。
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(Rattling)
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So, a moment.
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你看，一个瞬间
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(Rattling)
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Another moment.
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另一个瞬间
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Excuse me, still getting there. A moment that travels.
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不好意思，还是那样。一个流逝的瞬间。
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(Rattling)
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A moment -- no, we'll try that again. It separates, and comes back together.
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不，再来一次。分开，在回来一起
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Time. How can you look at time?
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时间，你们怎么分辨时间
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And what do you dedicate it to, in exploring a particular thing?
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并且，你那什么去研究意见特定的事情
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Well, obviously, there's something in here,
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显然还是有那么一些东西存在的
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and you can all have a guess as to what it is.
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你们可以猜猜到底是什么
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There's a mystery. There's a mystery in the moment.
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是一个秘密，一个藏在一段时间内的秘密。
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And it has to settle. And then it's dependent on something else.
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并且必须被解开，他是依赖于另外的一种基础之上的
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And then it comes to rest. Just a little thing about time.
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啪 - 然后停止，只是关于时间的一些小事
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Now, this has expanded into a much bigger piece,
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现在我们来扩展出更多内容
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because I use ramps of different parabolas that I roll the balls on
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因为我玩这些球的时候用不同的抛物轨道
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while I'm keeping time with this.
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同时我和这个保持节拍。
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But I just thought I'd talk about a moment.
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只是我刚刚想说关于MONENT的东西
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All right. OK. Can we show the video of the triangle?
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那么，现在我们能放那个三角的视频了么？
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Are we ready to do that? Yes?
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我们做好准备去做那个了么？对么
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This is the piece that I told you about.
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这就是我已经告诉大家的
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It's a much bigger piece that I do exploring the space of a geometric triangle.
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这是一部更大的一个项目，我做了一个对集合三角空间的探索
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(Applause)
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Thanks. The only thing I'll say about the last session is,
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谢谢，我对最后一个环节唯一要说的是
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you ever try juggling and driving the car with your knees
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你曾经试过一边玩杂耍
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at 120 miles an hour?
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一边用膝盖以每小时120英里的速度开车么
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(Laughter)
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The only other thing is, it was a real shock.
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另外唯一令我震惊的事是
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I always drove motorcycles. And when I bought my first car, it shocked me
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我以前常开摩托车，当我买了第一辆车时我被吓到了
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that it cost three times more than my parents' house. Interesting.
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这车比我爸妈的房子要贵三倍以上，很搞笑
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Anyway, balance:
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不说了，平衡
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constant movement to find an approach to stillness.
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用平稳的移动来得到静止
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Cheating.
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那是作弊
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(Laughter)
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Balance: making up the rules so you can't cheat,
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平衡---制定规则使你无法作弊
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so you learn to approach stillness with different parts of your body.
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所以你们要学会用身体的不同部位去找到静止点
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To have a conversation with it. To speak. To listen.
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与之对话，去说，去听
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(Laughter)
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Hup. Now, it's dependent on rhythm,
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哈，现在，靠得是节奏
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and keeping a center of balance. When it falls, going underneath.
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并在它要倒下的时候保持中心得平衡，到下面去接。
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So, there's a rhythm to it.
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所以对于平衡来说有一个节奏。
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The rhythm can get much smaller.
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这种节奏可以变得很小
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As your skill increases, you learn to find those tinier spaces,
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当你的技巧越来越高，你会发现更小的空间
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those tinier movements. Thanks.
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更小的移动，谢谢
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(Applause)
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Now, I'm going to show you the beginnings of a piece
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现在，我将会给大家展示这个作品的开端。
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that is about balance in some ways, and also --
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从某方面说是跟平衡有关的，同时也是……
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oh, actually, if you're bored, not here, here's one use for it.
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喔~，实际上，如果你很无聊。不是这里，我们用这个
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(Laughter)
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You can go with the "Sticks One" music.
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也可以用后的这个棍子，音乐
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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24:18
Thanks. That has a certain kind of balance to it, which is all about plumb.
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谢谢，这包含了某一种特定关于垂直的平衡
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I apprenticed with a carpenter and learned about plumb, square and level.
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我当过木匠学徒，学了关于垂直，平凡和水平。
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And they influenced that, and this next piece, which I'll do a little segment of.
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他们影响了下一个我要说的章节，这章我要分开来说。
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"Two Sticks," you can go with it. Thanks.
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2跟棍子，我们开始。。谢谢。
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Which is again exploring space, or the lines in space.
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这次探索空间，或者空间里的线条
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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Working with space and the lines in space in a different way.
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跟空间还有空间里的线条打交道的方法是不一样的
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Oh, let's see here.
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来，看这个
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(Applause)
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掌声
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So, I'll come back to that in a second. But working with one ball,
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那么，等我一会儿，这次来玩一个球
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now, what if you attach something to it, or change it.
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现在，如果你附加一个东西，或者改变它。
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This is a little thing that I made
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这是我做得小改变
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because I really like the idea of curves and balls together.
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因为我真得很喜欢吧球和曲线放在一起的感觉
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And then creating space and the rhythm of space,
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然后创造一个空间和空间里的节奏
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using the surface of the balls, the surface of the arms.
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用球的表便和手臂的表面
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Just a little toy. Which leads me to the next thing,
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只是个小玩意儿，但是把我带入下面一个东西
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which is --
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那就是……
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what have I got here? OK. All right.
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我们这里有什么？很好
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I'm actually leading up to something,
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我很快就能找到它了
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the newest thing that I'm working on. This is not it.
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我玩得最新的玩意儿，不是这个，
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This is exploring geometry and the rhythm of shape.
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这是探索几何空间和空间的节奏的
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(Applause)
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28:20
Now, what I just did was I worked with the mathematics --
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现在，我刚刚做的是通过数学，
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the diameter and the circumference.
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直径和周长来起作用的。
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Sometimes these pieces are mathematical, in that way
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有时候这些表演是与数学有关的，在某个方面，
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that I look at a shape and say, what about if I use this and this and this.
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这个方面就是我看着一个形状并且说，如果我用这个，这个和这个，会怎样。
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Sometimes what happens in life affects my choice
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有时候生活中所发生的事会影响我对于
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of objects that I try to work with.
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要试着运用的物体的选择。
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The next piece that I'm going to do -- which is the cylinders piece,
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我要做的下一段表演是气罐表演
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if you want to get that up --
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如果你要这么说的话。
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it has to do with cylinder seals from about 5,000 years ago,
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这个从5000年前开始就和气罐封口有关。
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which were stones with designs that were used to roll over wet clay
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它过去是石头，设计曾经用来翻转湿粘土，
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with all sorts of great designs. I love ceramics and all of that.
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做出各种设计。我爱制陶术以及所有的相关的一切。
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It's a combination of that, the beauty of that, the shape,
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那是个组合，是种美，是外形，
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and the stories that were involved in it,
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以及所涉及的故事
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as well as the fact that they protected the contents.
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和它们保护内存物的事实。
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The second influence on this piece came from recycling
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这段表演的第二个影响来自回收
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and looking into a tin can recycling bin
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并且查看铁罐回收箱
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and seeing all that beautiful emptiness.
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以及看它们都很好地空置着。
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So, if you want to go with the music for cylinders.
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因此，如果你想配着音乐用气罐表演。
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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32:20
Talking about geometry and everything,
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说起几何学和所有的事，
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if you take the circle and you split it in half --
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如果你有一个圈并且你把它分成两半。
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can you run "S-Curve music?"
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你能用S线的音乐吗？
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I'm going to do just a short version of it.
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我来做这样的一小段。
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Circles split in half and rotated, and mythology.
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圆圈分成两半并且旋转，然后
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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34:24
Anyway, that piece also has a kinetic sculpture in the middle of it,
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不管如何，这段表演也有力学模型在里面
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and I dance around a small stage so --
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而且我绕着一个小的舞台跳，所以
34:32
two minutes, just to end? The latest piece that I'm working on --
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2分钟，就结束了？ 我正在做的最后一段
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what I love is that I never know what I'm working on, why I'm working on it.
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也是我喜欢的一点是我从来都不知道我在做什么，为什么我要做
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They're not ideas, they're instincts.
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它们不是想法，它们是本能。
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And the latest thing that I'm working on --
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我在做的最新的事是
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(Clattering) --
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谈笑声
34:51
is something really -- I don't know what it is yet.
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一些真的我还不知道是什么的事。
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And that's good. I like not to know for as long as possible.
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这样好。我喜欢尽可能久的不知道。
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Well, because then it tells me the truth,
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因为之后它会告诉我事实，
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instead of me imposing the truth.
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而不是我强求事实。
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And what it is, is working with both positive and negative space
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它是什么呢， 它是同时对正负空间起作用
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but also with these curves.
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而且有曲线。
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And what it involves,
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同时它所涉及的，
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and I don't know if my hands are too beaten up to do it or not,
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和我不知道是否我的双手技术太差而无法做，
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but I'll do a little bit of it.
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但是我会做一小段。
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It initially started off with me stacking these things,
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最初从我堆叠这些东西开始，
35:22
bunches of them, and then playing with the sense of space,
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有很多个，然后玩转空间，
35:28
of filling in the space. And then it started changing,
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玩转填补空间。然后开始变化，
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and become folding on themselves.
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并且编成它们自己折叠。
35:44
And then changing levels.
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然后改变程度。
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Because my attempt is to make visual instruments,
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因为我的目的是做视觉工具，
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not to just make -- I'll try one other thing.
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不仅仅是做-我要试另一个东西。
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For work in three dimensions, with your perceptions of space and time.
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为了在三维空间做，用你对空间和时间的领悟。
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Now, I don't know exactly where it's going,
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现在，我无法明确知道它要怎么走
36:06
but I've got a bit of effort involved in this thing.
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但是我已经努力融入它。
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And it's going to change as I go through it.
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它即将随着我的参与而改变。
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But I really like it, it feels right.
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不过我真的喜欢，我感觉对的。
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This may not be the right shape, and -- look at this shape,
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这可能不是正确的形状，我会看着这个形状
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and then I'll show you the first design I ever put to it,
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然后我会展示给你们我用它做的第一个设计
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just to see, just to play,
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就看，就玩，
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because I love all different kinds of things to play with.
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因为我喜欢玩转各种不一样的东西。
36:28
Let's see here.
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我们看这里。
36:30
To work with the positive and negative in a different way.
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用不同的方式主动地和被动地玩。
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And to change, and to change.
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并且变化，同时变化。
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So, I'm off in my new direction with this to explore rhythm and space.
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所以我又开始在探索节奏与空间上寻求新的方向
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We'll see what I come up with. Thanks for having me.
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我们会看到我所得出的东西。谢谢你们听我的演讲。
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(Applause)
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鼓掌
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Michael Moschen - JugglerQuite simply, Michael Moschen has revolutionized juggling, refining it into an art and a bit of a science. With a few flying balls and well-chosen props he will completely re-wire your notions of the physically possible.
Why you should listen
A high school dropout turned MacArthur "genius grant" recipient, Michael Moschen is an art juggler, spawning scores of imitators and an entire methodology of crystal-ball juggling he likes to call Dynamic Manipulation. (The previously mentioned imitators call it "Contact Juggling," a term that Moschen himself despises.)
With a penchant for discipline, choreography, and catching flying balls -- and using props that include flaming torches, hoops, rods, and a ten-foot plastic triangle enclosure within which he stands, bouncing balls against the sides to achieve incredible patterns and velocities -- he creates illusions of speed and light that push the envelope of what is possible within this age-old circus art. Many of his techniques and routines are showcased in In Motion with Michael Moschen, a program produced in 1991 for National Public Television's Great Performances series.
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