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Kelli Jean Drinkwater: Enough with the fear of fat
凯莉·珍·德灵科沃特: 真是受够了人们对肥胖的恐惧
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在这个对身体曲线着迷，恐惧肥胖的社会，凯莉·珍·德灵科沃特通过艺术来从事激进身体政治运动。她通过带领观众进入前所未有的表演，来应对公众的偏见——从时尚秀场到悉尼音乐节——并引导我们重新审视我们的偏见。“不感到为难的肥胖身体可以唤醒人们的头脑”，她说。
Kelli Jean Drinkwater - Artist, activist
Kelli Jean Drinkwater is a multi-disciplinary artist and activist recognized for her creative practice and voice in radical body politics. Full bio
Kelli Jean Drinkwater is a multi-disciplinary artist and activist recognized for her creative practice and voice in radical body politics. Full bio
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00:12
I'm here today to talk to you
about a very powerful little word,
about a very powerful little word,
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我来这里是为了和你们分享一个
并不起眼，却很有力量的词，
并不起眼，却很有力量的词，
00:17
one that people will do almost anything
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人们为了避免它，
甚至愿意做任何事。
00:20
to avoid becoming.
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00:22
Billion-dollar industries thrive
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人们对它的恐惧
催生了数十亿美元的产业，
00:24
because of the fear of it,
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我们中有些人拥有它，
00:26
and those of us who undeniably are it
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并且不得不忍受
00:29
are left to navigate a relentless storm
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它为生活带来的巨大动荡。
00:31
surrounding it.
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00:34
I'm not sure if any of you have noticed,
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我不知道你们有没有注意到，
我很胖。
00:36
but I'm fat.
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00:39
Not the lowercase,
muttered-behind-my-back kind,
muttered-behind-my-back kind,
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不是那种不明显的，
只让人在我背后咕哝的胖，
只让人在我背后咕哝的胖，
也不是那种看起来无害的乖胖，
00:42
or the seemingly harmless
chubby or cuddly.
chubby or cuddly.
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甚至也不是那种神秘、性感的丰腴。
00:46
I'm not even the more sophisticated
voluptuous or curvaceous kind.
voluptuous or curvaceous kind.
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00:51
Let's not sugarcoat it.
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还是不要用任何冠冕堂皇的词了。
我就是那种显而易见的肥胖。
00:53
I am the capital F-A-T kind of fat.
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我就是屋子里那只显眼的大象。
00:57
I am the elephant in the room.
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01:02
When I walked out on stage,
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当我走上舞台的时候，
你们当中的一些人会想，
01:03
some of you may have been thinking,
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“噢，这肯定会非常搞笑，
01:05
"Aww, this is going to be hilarious,
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因为每个人都知道，胖子很搞笑。”
01:07
because everybody knows
that fat people are funny."
that fat people are funny."
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（笑声）
01:10
(Laughter)
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你们也会想，
“她这是哪里来的自信呀？”
“她这是哪里来的自信呀？”
01:12
Or you may have been thinking,
"Where does she get her confidence from?"
"Where does she get her confidence from?"
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因为一个自信的胖女人，
好像只是想象中的存在。
好像只是想象中的存在。
01:16
Because a confident fat woman
is almost unthinkable.
is almost unthinkable.
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01:20
The fashion-conscious
members of the audience
members of the audience
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部分有时尚感的听众，
可能已经意识到，
我穿这件 Beth Ditto 裙子
我穿这件 Beth Ditto 裙子
01:23
may have been thinking how fabulous I look
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非常美——
01:25
in this Beth Ditto dress --
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（欢呼声）
01:27
(Cheers)
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谢谢大家。
01:28
thank you very much.
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但你们其中也有一些人会想，
01:30
Whereas some of you might have thought,
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“嗯，黑色会让她看起来瘦一点。”
01:32
"Hmm, black would have been
so much more slimming."
so much more slimming."
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（笑声）
01:35
(Laughter)
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你也许会有意或无意的想，
01:36
You may have wondered, consciously or not,
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我可能有糖尿病，
或者我已经结婚了，
或者我已经结婚了，
01:38
if I have diabetes, or a partner,
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或者我7点以后还在吃零食。
01:41
or if I eat carbs after 7pm.
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（笑声）
01:44
(Laughter)
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你可能还担心自己，
因为你昨天七点以后吃了零食，
因为你昨天七点以后吃了零食，
01:45
You may have worried
that you ate carbs after 7pm last night,
that you ate carbs after 7pm last night,
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你会感觉非常需要给健身卡续费。
01:49
and that you really should renew
your gym membership.
your gym membership.
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01:53
These judgments are insidious.
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这些偏见都是无法避免的。
他们可能产生于个人，
也可能产生于集体，
也可能产生于集体，
01:55
They can be directed
at individuals and groups,
at individuals and groups,
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他们也可能产生于我们自己。
01:58
and they can also
be directed at ourselves.
be directed at ourselves.
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02:01
And this way of thinking
is known as fatphobia.
is known as fatphobia.
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这种思维方式统称为肥胖恐惧症。
02:05
Like any form of systematic oppression,
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就像社会中各种形式的
系统性的压制，
系统性的压制，
肥胖恐惧症深深根植
在这复杂的社会结构中，
在这复杂的社会结构中，
02:08
fatphobia is deeply rooted
in complex structures
in complex structures
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就像资本主义、男权主义
和种族歧视，
和种族歧视，
02:11
like capitalism, patriarchy and racism,
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这让它很难被意识到，
02:16
and that can make it
really difficult to see,
really difficult to see,
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更不用说要改变它了。
02:18
let alone challenge.
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02:21
We live in a culture
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我们这个社会的文化，
告诉人们胖子都是坏人——
02:22
where being fat
is seen as being a bad person --
is seen as being a bad person --
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懒惰的，贪婪的，
不健康的，不负责任的人，
不健康的，不负责任的人，
02:27
lazy, greedy, unhealthy, irresponsible
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甚至行为不良。
02:31
and morally suspect.
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02:33
And we tend to see thinness
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我们还普遍认为，
瘦是一种美德 —
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as being universally good --
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02:38
responsible, successful,
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负责任的，成功的，
能够控制自己的胃口，身体和生活。
02:40
and in control of our appetites,
bodies and lives.
bodies and lives.
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02:44
We see these ideas again and again
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我们一次又一次的
从媒体，医保政策和医院中
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in the media, in public health policy,
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被灌输这些想法，
02:49
doctors' offices,
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甚至在每天的谈天以及
02:51
in everyday conversations
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我们自己的想法中也屡见不鲜。
02:53
and in our own attitudes.
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02:55
We may even blame fat people themselves
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我们还以貌取人，
责备那些肥胖的人，
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for the discrimination they face
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毕竟，如果我们不喜欢肥胖，
我们只需要减肥，
我们只需要减肥，
03:00
because, after all, if we don't like it,
we should just lose weight.
we should just lose weight.
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非常简单。
03:05
Easy.
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03:07
This antifat bias has become
so integral, so ingrained
so integral, so ingrained
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这反对肥胖的态度
在我们审视自己的过程中，
在我们审视自己的过程中，
03:11
to how we value ourselves and each other
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越来越完整，越来越根深蒂固。
03:14
that we rarely question why
we have such contempt for people of size
we have such contempt for people of size
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我们很少会了解到，
我们能对人们的身材如此轻视，
我们能对人们的身材如此轻视，
03:20
and where that disdain comes from.
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甚至不知道这种鄙视来自哪里。
03:22
But we must question it,
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但我们需要质疑这种观念，
03:24
because the enormous value
we place on how we look
we place on how we look
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因为我们对我们的外表看的太重，
03:28
affects every one of us.
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这影响了我们每一个人。
03:31
And do we really want to live in a society
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我们真的想要这样的社会吗？
03:33
where people are denied
their basic humanity
their basic humanity
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人们对这种不理智的价值观极其买账，
03:36
if they don't subscribe
to some arbitrary form of acceptable?
to some arbitrary form of acceptable?
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却否认了最基本的人性。
03:42
So when I was six years old,
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当我六岁的时候，
03:43
my sister used to teach ballet
to a bunch of little girls in our garage.
to a bunch of little girls in our garage.
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我姐姐在我们家的车库里
教一群孩子芭蕾。
教一群孩子芭蕾。
03:48
I was about a foot taller and a foot wider
than most of the group.
than most of the group.
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我大概比其他孩子
高一英尺，胖一英尺，
高一英尺，胖一英尺，
03:52
When it came to doing
our first performance,
our first performance,
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当我们第一次表演的时候，
03:54
I was so excited
about wearing a pretty pink tutu.
about wearing a pretty pink tutu.
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我为能第一次穿上芭蕾舞裙
感到特别兴奋。
感到特别兴奋。
03:59
I was going to sparkle.
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我以为自己可以成为耀眼的明星。
04:02
As the other girls slipped easily
into their Lycra and tulle creations,
into their Lycra and tulle creations,
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而当其他孩子轻松的穿上它们的时候，
04:06
not one of the tutus
was big enough to fit me.
was big enough to fit me.
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没有一件芭蕾舞裙装得下我。
04:10
I was determined not to be
excluded from the performance,
excluded from the performance,
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我下决心一定要参加演出，
04:14
so I turned to my mother
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于是我对着妈妈，
04:17
and loud enough for everyone to hear
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用所有人能听到的音量说，
04:20
said, "Mom, I don't need a tutu.
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“妈妈，我不要正常码的（音似22），
04:24
I need a fourfour."
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我要一件大号的（音似44 ）。”
04:26
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
04:29
Thanks, Mom.
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谢谢你，妈妈。
04:31
(Applause)
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（掌声）
04:34
And although I didn't
recognize it at the time,
recognize it at the time,
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尽管我当时并没意识到，
04:37
claiming space for myself
in that glorious fourfour
in that glorious fourfour
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穿着大号舞裙在舞台上发光，
04:40
was the first step towards becoming
a radical fat activist.
a radical fat activist.
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是我成为积极肥胖演说家的第一步。
04:46
Now, I'm not saying
that this whole body-love thing
that this whole body-love thing
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我不是说在那堂课上，
04:48
has been an easy skip along
a glittering path of self-acceptance
a glittering path of self-acceptance
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我突然就福至心灵的学会了接受
04:53
since that day in class.
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自己的身体，
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Far from it.
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远远不是那样。
04:56
I soon learned that living outside
what the mainstream considers normal
what the mainstream considers normal
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我很快就从外界社会中，
了解到那让人感到绝望、孤独的
了解到那让人感到绝望、孤独的
主流价值观。
05:00
can be a frustrating and isolating place.
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05:04
I've spent the last 20 years unpacking
and deprogramming these messages,
and deprogramming these messages,
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我用了二十年分析、理解这些偏见，
05:09
and it's been quite the roller coaster.
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心境也随之起起落落。
05:12
I've been openly laughed at,
abused from passing cars
abused from passing cars
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我被公开的嘲笑过，
被过往车辆羞辱过，
被过往车辆羞辱过，
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and been told that I'm delusional.
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还被人质疑我有幻想症。
05:19
I also receive smiles from strangers
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但我也从陌生人那儿得到过微笑，
05:21
who recognize what it takes
to walk down the street
to walk down the street
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那些人知道我走这条路需要勇气，
05:24
with a spring in your step
and your head held high.
and your head held high.
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你需要昂首挺胸，充满活力。
05:27
(Cheer)
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（欢呼声）
05:28
Thanks.
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谢谢。
05:30
And through it all, that fierce
little six-year-old has stayed with me,
little six-year-old has stayed with me,
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在这个过程中，
那个六岁时的勇敢时刻伴随着我，
那个六岁时的勇敢时刻伴随着我，
05:34
and she has helped me
stand before you today
stand before you today
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它给了我，一个丝毫不愧疚的胖子
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as an unapologetic fat person,
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站在你们面前的勇气，
05:40
a person that simply refuses to subscribe
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也让我成为了一个
拒接接受社会主流对于
拒接接受社会主流对于
该如何运用
05:43
to the dominant narrative
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05:44
about how I should move
through the world in this body of mine.
through the world in this body of mine.
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我的身体的评价，
并为我的身体骄傲的女孩。
并为我的身体骄傲的女孩。
05:48
(Applause)
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（掌声）
05:56
And I'm not alone.
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我并不是孤军奋战。
05:58
I am part of an international
community of people
community of people
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我是一个全球性组织中的一员，
06:01
who choose to, rather
than passively accepting
than passively accepting
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与其被动接受对自己身体的反感，
06:04
that our bodies are
and probably always will be big,
and probably always will be big,
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我们选择了对自己身体的态度，
06:08
we actively choose to flourish
in these bodies as they are today.
in these bodies as they are today.
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我们要在自己的身体里发光。
06:13
People who honor our strength
and work with, not against,
and work with, not against,
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我们为自己的力量骄傲，
06:17
our perceived limitations,
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接受着，而并非挑战
06:19
people who value health
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身体给予我们的限制，
06:21
as something much more holistic
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比起BMI表上的一堆数字，
06:23
than a number on an outdated BMI chart.
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我们更加全面的对待健康。
06:27
Instead, we value mental health,
self-worth and how we feel in our bodies
self-worth and how we feel in our bodies
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相对比，我们认为心理健康、自我价值、
对待自己身体的态度，
对待自己身体的态度，
06:33
as vital aspects
to our overall well-being.
to our overall well-being.
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是三件对于人生最重要的事情。
06:37
People who refuse to believe
that living in these fat bodies
that living in these fat bodies
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我们拒绝认为肥胖是
06:40
is a barrier to anything, really.
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通向任何地方的壁垒。
06:45
There are doctors, academics and bloggers
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医生们，学者们，以及一些博主
06:48
who have written countless volumes
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针对不同方面，
06:50
on the many facets
of this complex subject.
of this complex subject.
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写了很多关于这个复杂课题的文章。
06:54
There are fatshionistas
who reclaim their bodies and their beauty
who reclaim their bodies and their beauty
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有些时尚的肥胖明星宣传着
他们的美，他们的身体，
他们的美，他们的身体，
06:59
by wearing fatkinis and crop tops,
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穿着“肥基尼”和短款上衣，
07:02
exposing the flesh
that we're all taught to hide.
that we're all taught to hide.
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让那些本应躲藏的肥肉暴露出来。
07:06
There are fat athletes
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有一些肥胖的运动员，
07:07
who run marathons,
teach yoga or do kickboxing,
teach yoga or do kickboxing,
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他们跑马拉松，
当瑜伽教练，打拳击，
当瑜伽教练，打拳击，
07:11
all done with a middle finger
firmly held up to the status quo.
firmly held up to the status quo.
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他们用行动向这种
社会理念竖起了中指。
社会理念竖起了中指。
07:17
And these people have taught me
that radical body politics
that radical body politics
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这些人教会了我激进身体政治活动，
07:21
is the antidote
to our body-shaming culture.
to our body-shaming culture.
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是自我身体羞耻文化的疫苗。
07:25
But to be clear, I'm not saying
that people shouldn't change their bodies
that people shouldn't change their bodies
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需要澄清的是，我并不是要劝说
那些认为需要健身塑性的人
那些认为需要健身塑性的人
07:30
if that's what they want to do.
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放弃这个想法。
07:32
Reclaiming yourself can be one
of the most gorgeous acts of self-love
of the most gorgeous acts of self-love
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改造你自己可能是自爱
最棒的表达方式，
最棒的表达方式，
07:36
and can look like
a million different things,
a million different things,
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并且你有很多种方法，
07:39
from hairstyles to tattoos
to body contouring
to body contouring
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从发型到纹身，到身体的轮廓，
07:43
to hormones to surgery
and yes, even weight loss.
and yes, even weight loss.
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激素调理或手术，
是的，甚至是减肥。
是的，甚至是减肥。
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It's simple: it's your body,
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这很简单，这是你自己的身体，
07:49
and you decide what's best to do with it.
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由你来决定对自己做什么最好。
07:52
My way of engaging in activism
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我参与到这种激进主义的方法是，
07:55
is by doing all the things
that we fatties aren't supposed to do,
that we fatties aren't supposed to do,
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去做那些胖子不该做的事，
这样的事有很多，
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and there's a lot of them,
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inviting other people to join me
and then making art about it.
and then making art about it.
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我邀请人们加入，
然后一起创造艺术。
然后一起创造艺术。
08:05
The common thread
through most of this work
through most of this work
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我们绝大多数作品的主线是
08:07
has been reclaiming spaces that are
often prohibitive to bigger bodies,
often prohibitive to bigger bodies,
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开拓那些本不属于胖子的领域，
08:12
from the catwalk to club shows,
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从走天桥到夜总会表演，
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from public swimming pools
to prominent dance stages.
to prominent dance stages.
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从公共游泳池到显眼的舞台。
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And reclaiming spaces en masse
is not only a powerful artistic statement
is not only a powerful artistic statement
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重新占领这些领域并不仅仅是
一个艺术家的声明，
一个艺术家的声明，
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but a radical community-building approach.
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也是一种建立社会的激进尝试。
08:29
This was so true of "AQUAPORKO!" --
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你可以从“AQUAPORKO”感受到——
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
08:33
the fat fem synchronized swim team
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一个胖女人组成的花式游泳队，
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I started with a group
of friends in Sydney.
of friends in Sydney.
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我和一群朋友在悉尼
建立起了这支队伍。
建立起了这支队伍。
08:40
The impact of seeing
a bunch of defiant fat women
a bunch of defiant fat women
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这群肆无忌惮的胖女人，
08:43
in flowery swimming caps and bathers
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穿着绚丽的游泳衣和游泳帽，
08:46
throwing their legs in the air
without a care
without a care
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毫无顾忌地向空中踢腿，
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should not be underestimated.
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她们的影响不容小觑。
08:53
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
08:56
Throughout my career, I have learned
that fat bodies are inherently political,
that fat bodies are inherently political,
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在我的职业生涯中，我意识到
肥胖的躯体有着天生的政治色彩，
肥胖的躯体有着天生的政治色彩，
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and unapologetic fat bodies
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而毫不愧疚的胖子们，
09:04
can blow people's minds.
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可以让人们豁然开朗。
09:08
When director Kate Champion,
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当饱受赞扬的剧场Force Majeure的
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of acclaimed dance theater
company Force Majeure,
company Force Majeure,
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导演Kate Champion
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asked me to be the artistic associate
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邀请我去做艺术指导，
09:16
on a work featuring all fat dancers,
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指导一部描画肥胖的舞蹈作品，
09:19
I literally jumped at the opportunity.
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我紧紧把握住了这次机会。
09:23
And I mean literally.
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我是认真的。
09:26
"Nothing to Lose" is a work made
in collaboration with performers of size
in collaboration with performers of size
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“毫无畏惧”利用各个演员的体态
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who drew from their lived experiences
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描述了他们的经历，
09:33
to create a work as varied
and authentic as we all are.
and authentic as we all are.
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创造了一部像我们一样
多元的，真实的作品。
多元的，真实的作品。
09:38
And it was as far from ballet
as you could imagine.
as you could imagine.
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它与你能想象到的芭蕾表演很不同，
09:42
The very idea of a fat dance work
by such a prestigious company
by such a prestigious company
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如此有名望的公司
创造这样一部作品的初衷，
创造这样一部作品的初衷，
09:46
was, to put it mildly, controversial,
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简单来说就是，颠覆性的，
09:51
because nothing like it had ever been done
on mainstream dance stages before
on mainstream dance stages before
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以前在世界各地从来没有这样的
09:56
anywhere in the world.
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主流舞台作品。
09:59
People were skeptical.
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人们的态度充满质疑。
10:01
"What do you mean, 'fat dancers?'
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“肥胖的舞者是什么意思？”
10:05
Like, size 10, size 12 kind of fat?
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10码，12码的那种胖吗？
10:10
Where did they do their dance training?
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他们在哪里接受的舞蹈训练？
10:13
Are they going to have the stamina
for a full-length production?"
for a full-length production?"
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他们有那样的精力去完成一部
完整的表演吗？
完整的表演吗？
10:18
But despite the skepticism,
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尽管有各种怀疑，
10:20
"Nothing to Lose" became
a sellout hit of Sydney Festival.
a sellout hit of Sydney Festival.
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“毫无畏惧”
却在悉尼音乐节非常卖座。
却在悉尼音乐节非常卖座。
10:24
We received rave reviews, toured,
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我们得到了热烈的赞美，
进行了巡演，
进行了巡演，
10:27
won awards and were written about
in over 27 languages.
in over 27 languages.
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拿了奖，我们的表演还被
翻译成27种语言进行报道。
翻译成27种语言进行报道。
10:31
These incredible images of our cast
were seen worldwide.
were seen worldwide.
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这些舞台照传遍了世界各地。
10:37
I've lost count of how many times
people of all sizes
people of all sizes
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我不记得有多少次，
各种体型的人们告诉我，
各种体型的人们告诉我，
10:42
have told me that the show
has changed their lives,
has changed their lives,
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这个表演改变了他们的生活，
10:45
how it helped them
shift their relationship
shift their relationship
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改变了他们看待自己身体、
10:47
to their own and other people's bodies,
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他人身体的方式，
10:49
and how it made them confront
their own bias.
their own bias.
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让他们直视来自自己的偏见。
10:53
But of course, work
that pushes people's buttons
that pushes people's buttons
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但当然了，
这样给人们以警醒的作品，
这样给人们以警醒的作品，
10:56
is not without its detractors.
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少不了贬低者。
10:59
I have been told
that I'm glorifying obesity.
that I'm glorifying obesity.
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我被形容为不健康饮食的宣传者，
11:03
I have received violent death threats
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我接受到过充满敌意的死亡威胁，
11:05
and abuse for daring to make work
that centers fat people's bodies and lives
that centers fat people's bodies and lives
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被误解成做以胖子为中心，
11:11
and treats us as worthwhile human beings
with valuable stories to tell.
with valuable stories to tell.
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不顾及其他人有意义的生活的艺术。
11:18
I've even been called
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我甚至还被称作
11:19
"the ISIS of the obesity epidemic" --
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“不健康饮食恐怖主义者”——
11:22
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
11:24
a comment so absurd that it is funny.
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这个评论非常荒谬，很可笑。
11:28
But it also speaks to the panic,
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但它也直接与那种恐慌，
11:30
the literal terror,
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真实的恐惧对话，
11:32
that the fear of fat can evoke.
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人们对肥胖的恐惧正是由此产生。
11:35
It is this fear that's feeding
the diet industry,
the diet industry,
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就是这种恐惧滋养着减肥产业，
11:39
which is keeping so many of us
from making peace with our own bodies,
from making peace with our own bodies,
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那些让我们厌恶自己身体的产业，
11:43
for waiting to be the after-photo
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还有那些不愿接受真正的自己
11:46
before we truly start to live our lives.
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想要成为“疗效后”的人们。
11:49
Because the real elephant
in the room here is fatphobia.
in the room here is fatphobia.
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因为屋子里真正显眼的大象，
是肥胖恐惧者。
是肥胖恐惧者。
11:54
Fat activism refuses to indulge this fear.
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肥胖激进主义拒绝纵容这种恐惧。
11:58
By advocating for self-determination
and respect for all of us,
and respect for all of us,
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我们主张自我定义，
尊重所有人，
尊重所有人，
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we can shift society's reluctance
to embrace diversity
to embrace diversity
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我们可以让有抵触情绪的社会
去接受这样的多元化，
去接受这样的多元化，
12:06
and start to celebrate the myriad ways
there are to have a body.
there are to have a body.
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开始庆祝拥有身体的无数种形式。
12:12
Thank you.
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谢谢。
12:13
(Applause)
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（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kelli Jean Drinkwater - Artist, activistKelli Jean Drinkwater is a multi-disciplinary artist and activist recognized for her creative practice and voice in radical body politics.
Why you should listen
Kelli Jean Drinkwater uses the fat body as a site to investigate the complex relationship we all have with our bodies and how that defines the world we live in.
Recurring themes in Drinkwater's work are notions of taking up space, queering fat embodiment and how this reclamation can transform and reimagine the potential of self and community. Her work is motivated by how these ideas intersect with gender, race, class and ability.
Drinkwater's work has featured in major international galleries, festivals and magazines. Now based in Sydney, Australia, her recent performances in include Force Majeure's "Nothing to Lose" for Sydney Festival, "NightCraft" for the Museum of Contemporary Art, "Tableau Vivant" for Underbelly Arts Festival, and "MonstaGras" at The Red Rattler Theatre.
Drinkwater's film Aquaporko! won the Audience Award for Best Documentary at Mardi Gras Film Festival 2013. Drinkwater is currently in production on a documentary feature that follows the making of the "Nothing to Lose" live show.
Kelli Jean Drinkwater | Speaker | TED.com