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Trevor Aaronson - Journalist
An investigative journalist who reports on the FBI’s misuse of informants in counterterrorism operations, Trevor Aaronson asks the question: Is the United States catching terrorists or creating them?

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Trevor Aaronson is the executive director of the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting and the author of The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terrorism. In 2014 he reported and produced "Informants," a one-hour documentary for Al Jazeera Media Network about the FBI’s counterterrorism program. In 2015 he published "To Catch the Devil" with Foreign Policy and "The Sting: How the FBI Created a Terrorist" with The Intercept, both about his work on the FBI's counterterrorism methods.

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Trevor Aaronson: How this FBI strategy is actually creating US-based terrorists

特拉沃.阿倫森: FBI「造恐」策略方興未艾

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有一神秘組織在美國策劃的恐怖主義陰謀居然超過了基地組織、伊斯蘭青年黨和 ISIS 發動的恐怖活動總數。這就是聯邦調查局——FBI。在這場讓人大開眼界的演講中,新聞記者特拉沃·阿倫森揭露了 FBI 一些令人不寒而慄的做法:他們利用生活窘迫、身患精神疾病的美國穆斯林人群,導演著一出又一出的恐怖主義案件。
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The FBI聯邦調查局 is responsible主管
for more terrorism恐怖主義 plots地塊
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在美國,聯邦調查局(FBI)
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in the United聯合的 States狀態
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策劃的恐怖陰謀數量
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than any other organization組織.
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遠遠超過其它任何組織
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More than al Qaeda凱達,
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基地組織,
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more than al Shabaab青年黨,
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索馬里青年党,
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more than the Islamic清真 State,
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伊斯蘭國,
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more than all of them combined結合.
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這些加在一起都不敵FBI。
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This isn't likely容易 how you
think about the FBI聯邦調查局.
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這跟你想像中的FBI大相徑庭。
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You probably大概 think of FBI聯邦調查局 agents代理
gunning開槍 down bad guys like John約翰 Dillinger迪林格,
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你也許覺得FBI探員的使命就是掃蕩
像約翰.迪林格這樣的悍匪
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or arresting逮捕 corrupt腐敗 politicians政治家.
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或是抓捕自甘墮落的政客。
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After the 9/11 terrorist恐怖分子 attacks攻擊,
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911恐怖襲擊後,
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the FBI聯邦調查局 became成為 less concerned關心
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FBI不再熱衷於對付惡棍匪徒和
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with gangsters歹徒 and
crooked elected當選 officials官員.
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為升遷不擇手段的官員。
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The new target目標 became成為 terrorists恐怖分子,
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恐怖分子成為他們的新寵,
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and the pursuit追求 of terrorists恐怖分子
has consumed消費 the FBI聯邦調查局.
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對恐怖分子的追逐讓FBI心無旁騖。
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Every一切 year, the Bureau spends
3.3 billion十億 dollars美元
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FBI在本土反恐行動上
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on domestic國內 counterterrorism反恐 activities活動.
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每年耗資高達33億美金。
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Compare比較 than to just 2.6 billion十億 dollars美元
combined結合 for organized有組織的 crime犯罪,
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相形之下,FBI僅僅花費26億美金
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financial金融 fraud舞弊, public上市 corruption腐敗
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打擊有組織犯罪、金融詐騙、公共腐敗
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and all other types類型 of traditional傳統
criminal刑事 activity活動.
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及其他各類類型的傳統犯罪活動。
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I've spent花費 years年份 pouring澆注 through通過
the case案件 files
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我花了多年時間深入研究
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of terrorism恐怖主義 prosecutions起訴 in
the United聯合的 States狀態,
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美國恐怖主義起訴案件的卷宗,
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and I've come to
the conclusion結論 that the FBI聯邦調查局
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最終得出這樣一條結論:
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is much better at creating創建 terrorists恐怖分子
than it is at catching terrorists恐怖分子.
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FBI更擅長製造而非抓捕恐怖分子。
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In the 14 years年份 since以來 9/11,
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911事件之後的14年裡,
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you can count計數 about six real真實
terrorist恐怖分子 attacks攻擊 in the United聯合的 States狀態.
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美國總共發生大約6起真正的恐怖襲擊,
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These include包括 the Boston波士頓 Marathon馬拉松
bombings爆炸 in 2013,
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包括2013年波士頓馬拉松爆炸案,
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as well as failed失敗 attacks攻擊,
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另外還有多起未遂的恐怖襲擊,
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such這樣 as the time when
a man named命名 Faisal費薩爾 Shahzad沙赫扎德
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比如一個名叫費薩爾.哈紮德的恐怖分子
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tried試著 to deliver交付 a car汽車 bomb炸彈
to Times Square廣場.
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企圖在紐約時代廣場引爆一枚汽車炸彈。
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In those same相同 14 years年份,
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然而,在這14年時間裡,
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the Bureau, however然而, has bragged吹噓
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FBI大肆吹噓自己如何大顯身手
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about how it's foiled挫敗 dozens許多
of terrorism恐怖主義 plots地塊.
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接連挫敗數十起恐怖主義陰謀。
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In all, the FBI聯邦調查局 has arrested被捕
more than 175 people
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在極具侵略性的臥底反恐打擊行動中,
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in aggressive侵略性, undercover秘密
conterterrorismconterterrorism stings蜇傷.
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FBI總共逮捕了175名「嫌犯」。
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These operations操作, which哪一個 are usually平時
led by an informant線人,
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這些行動一般由FBI的線人來主導
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provide提供 the means手段 and opportunity機會,
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為患有精神疾病和經濟陷於絕境的人
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and sometimes有時 even the idea理念,
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提供方法和機會,
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for mentally精神上 ill生病 and
economically經濟 desperate殊死 people
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甚至為他們出謀劃策,
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to become成為 what we now term術語 terrorists恐怖分子.
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幫助他們變成所謂的「恐怖分子」。
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After 9/11, the FBI聯邦調查局 was given特定 an edict法令:
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911恐怖襲擊發生後,FBI臨危受命:
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never again.
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絕不讓悲劇重演!
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Never another另一個 attack攻擊 on American美國 soil.
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讓恐怖主義從美國領土上徹底消失!
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FBI聯邦調查局 agents代理 were told to find terrorists恐怖分子
before they struck來襲.
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FBI探員們奉命在襲擊發生前鎖定恐怖分子。
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To do this, agents代理 recruited應徵 a network網絡
of more than 15,000 informants舉報人 nationwide全國,
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他們為此在全國雇傭了1萬5千多名線人,
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all looking for anyone任何人 who
might威力 be dangerous危險.
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傾巢而出瘋狂搜尋潛在的危險分子。
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An informant線人 can earn
100,000 dollars美元 or more
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線人為FBI提供一個恐怖襲擊案線索
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for every一切 terrorism恐怖主義 case案件
they bring帶來 to the FBI聯邦調查局.
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就能獲得10萬美元以上的酬勞。
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That's right, the FBI聯邦調查局 is paying付款
mostly大多 criminals罪犯 and con men男人
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沒錯,FBI在這些罪犯和騙子身上
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six figures人物 to spy間諜 on communities社區
in the United聯合的 States狀態,
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豪擲六位元數,讓他們監視美國的社區,
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but mostly大多 Muslim穆斯林 American美國 communities社區.
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其中大部分是穆斯林社區。
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These informants舉報人 nab捉拿 people like
Abu阿布 Khalid哈立德 Abdul-Latif阿卜杜勒 - 拉蒂夫
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這些線人的獵物是
阿蔔.卡利德.阿卜杜爾.拉蒂夫
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and WalliWalli MujahidhMujahidh.
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和瓦利.穆賈希德
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Both are mentally精神上 ill生病.
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這樣的精神病人。
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Abdul-Latif阿卜杜勒 - 拉蒂夫 had a history歷史 of huffing吹氣
gasoline汽油 and attempting嘗試 suicide自殺.
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阿卜杜爾.拉蒂夫有吸毒和自殺史。
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MujahidhMujahidh had schizoaffective分裂情感 disorder紊亂,
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穆賈希德曾患有情感分裂性精神障礙,
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he had trouble麻煩 distinguishing區別 between之間
reality現實 and fantasy幻想.
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整日游走於現實與幻想之間。
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In 2012, the FBI聯邦調查局 arrested被捕 these two men男人
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2012年,FBI逮捕了這兩個病人,
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for conspiring合謀 to attack攻擊 a military軍事
recruiting招聘 station outside Seattle西雅圖
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罪名是密謀襲擊西雅圖軍方徵兵站,
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with weapons武器 provided提供,
of course課程, by the FBI聯邦調查局.
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而給他們提供武器的當然是FBI。
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The FBI'sFBI的 informant線人 was Robert羅伯特 Childs蔡爾茲,
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FBI的線人名叫羅伯特.柴爾斯
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a convicted被定罪 rapist強姦犯 and child兒童 molester性騷擾
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一個被定罪的強姦犯和兒童猥褻犯,
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who was paid支付 90,000 dollars美元
for his work on the case案件.
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他從這起案件中賺得9萬美金。
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This isn't an outlier局外人.
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這並不是個案。
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In 2009, an FBI聯邦調查局 informant線人
who had fled逃離 Pakistan巴基斯坦 on murder謀殺 charges收費
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2009年,一名FBI線人
因謀殺指控而逃離巴基斯坦,
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led four men男人 in a plot情節 to bomb炸彈
synagogues猶太教堂 in the Bronx布朗克斯.
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他帶領四個人密謀炸毀布朗克斯的猶太教堂。
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The lead defendant被告 was James詹姆士 CromitieCromitie,
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這次襲擊的主被告人名叫詹姆斯.克羅米蒂爾,
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a broke打破 Walmart沃爾瑪(Walmart) employee僱員
with a history歷史 of mental心理 problems問題.
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是一個身無分文的前沃爾瑪員工,有精神病史。
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And the informant線人 had offered提供
him 250,000 dollars美元
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線人柴爾斯付給克羅米蒂爾25萬美金,
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if he participated參加 in that plot情節.
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誘使他參與這起恐怖陰謀。
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There are many許多 more examples例子.
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這樣的例子還有很多。
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Today今天, The Intercept截距
published發表 my new story故事
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今天,Intercept網站刊發了我的一則新故事,
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about a counterterrorism反恐 sting in Tampa坦帕
involving涉及 Sami薩米 OsmakacOsmakac,
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講的是佛羅里達州坦帕灣的一次反恐打擊行動,
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a young年輕 man who was living活的
near Tampa坦帕, Florida佛羅里達.
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主謀是一位名叫薩米.奧斯馬卡克,
住在坦帕灣附近的年輕人。
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OsmakacOsmakac also had
schizoaffective分裂情感 disorder紊亂.
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奧斯馬卡克也患有情感分裂性精神障礙。
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He too was broke打破,
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他同樣一貧如洗,
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and he had no connections連接 to
international國際 terrorist恐怖分子 groups.
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跟國際恐怖組織毫無瓜葛。
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Nonetheless儘管如此,
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儘管如此,
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an FBI聯邦調查局 informant線人 gave him a job工作,
handed him money,
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一名FBI線人還是給他找了一份差事,付錢給他,
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introduced介紹 him to an undercover秘密 agent代理人
posing冒充 as a terrorist恐怖分子,
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把他介紹給一名假冒恐怖分子的臥底探員,
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and lured引誘 him in a plot情節
to bomb炸彈 an Irish愛爾蘭的 bar酒吧.
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誘使他密謀炸毀一家愛爾蘭酒吧。
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But here's這裡的 what's interesting有趣:
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不過,這次發生了有趣的一幕:
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The lead undercover秘密 agent代理人 --
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主導這次行動的臥底探員——
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you can see him in this picture圖片
with his face面對 blurred模糊 --
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就是照片中這個面容模糊的男子——
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would go back to the Tampa坦帕 field領域 office辦公室
with his recording記錄 equipment設備 on.
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在返回駐紮在坦帕灣的辦事處時
忘記關掉錄音設備。
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Behind背後 closed關閉 doors,
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關上門後,
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FBI聯邦調查局 agents代理 admitted承認 that what
they were doing was farcical滑稽的.
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FBI探員們承認了他們所做的事情很荒誕。
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A federal聯邦 judge法官 doesn't want you
to hear about these conversations對話.
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聯邦法官不想把他們的對話公諸於世。
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He sealed密封 the transcripts成績單 and placed放置
them under a protective保護的 order訂購
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於是封存了錄音文字,並申請了保護令,
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in an attempt嘗試 to prevent避免 someone有人 like me
from doing something like this.
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企圖阻止像我這樣的人揭穿這背後的陰謀。
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Behind背後 closed關閉 doors, the lead agent代理人,
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關上門後,主導這次行動的探員,
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the squad supervisor,
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也就是這位FBI隊長,
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described描述 their would-be將會 terrorist恐怖分子
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把他們的假冒恐怖分子說成是
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as a "retarded智障 fool傻子 who didn't have
a pot to piss小便 in."
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「連尿壺也買不起的弱智傻瓜。」
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They described描述 his terrorist恐怖分子 ambitions野心
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他們用「心猿意馬」、「白日做夢」這樣的字眼
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as wishy-washy優柔寡斷 and
a pipe dream夢想 scenario腳本.
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形容這位「恐怖分子」的野心。
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But that didn't stop the FBI聯邦調查局.
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但這些顧慮並沒能阻止FBI的行動計畫。
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They provided提供 Sami薩米 OsmakacOsmakac
everything he needed需要.
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他們為薩米.奧斯馬卡克提供了一切所需,
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They gave him a car汽車 bomb炸彈,
they gave him an AK-AK-47,
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包括一枚汽車炸彈,一支AK-47衝鋒槍,
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they helped幫助 him make a so-called所謂
martyrdom殉教 video視頻,
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還幫他拍攝了所謂的「殉難」影片,
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and they even gave
him money for a taxi出租車 cab出租車
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甚至給他計程車費,
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so that he could get to where
they wanted him to go.
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讓他前往他們指定的地點。
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As they were working加工 the sting,
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在策劃這次反恐打擊行動時,
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the squad supervisor tells告訴 his agents代理
he wanted a Hollywood好萊塢 ending結尾.
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這位隊長對他的探員們說,
他想要一個好萊塢式結局。
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And he got a Hollywood好萊塢 ending結尾.
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最終他如願以償。
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When Sami薩米 OsmakacOsmakac attempted嘗試
to deliver交付 what he thought
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當薩米.奧斯馬卡克試圖
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was a car汽車 bomb炸彈,
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引爆想像中的汽車炸彈時,
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he was arrested被捕, convicted被定罪 and
sentenced判刑 to 40 years年份 in prison監獄.
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他被當場逮捕,裁定有罪,並判處40年監禁。
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Sami薩米 OsmakacOsmakac isn't alone單獨.
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薩米.奧斯馬卡克不是個例。
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He's one of more than
175 so-called所謂 terrorists恐怖分子,
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他只是超過175名所謂的「恐怖分子」之一,
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for whom the FBI聯邦調查局 has created創建
Hollywood好萊塢 endings結局.
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FBI為這些恐怖分子設計了好萊塢式結局。
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U.S. government政府 officials官員 call this
the War戰爭 on Terror恐怖.
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美國的政府官員們給這部
好萊塢大片取名《反恐戰爭》。
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It's really just theater劇院,
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我們宛若置身一個劇場,
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a national國民 security安全 theater劇院,
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一個國家安全劇場,
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with mentally精神上 ill生病 men男人 like Sami薩米 OsmakacOsmakac
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觀看像薩米.奧斯馬卡克這樣的精神病人
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unwitting不知情 actors演員 in a
carefully小心 choreographed編排 production生產
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身不由己地參演一部自欺欺人的鬧劇,
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brought to you by the FBI聯邦調查局.
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由FBI精心製作並呈現於世人眼前。
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Thank you.
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謝謝!
05:31
(Applause掌聲)
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05:41
Tom湯姆 Rielly裡利: So, those are some
pretty漂亮 strong強大 accusations指責,
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湯姆.瑞利(主持人):
看來你對FBI所作所為十分不滿,
05:44
pretty漂亮 strong強大 charges收費.
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他們面臨著嚴重指控。
05:47
How can you back this up?
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那你有何證據來支持你的觀點?
05:48
Trevor特雷弗 Aaronson阿倫森: My research研究 began開始 in 2010
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特拉沃.阿倫森(嘉賓):早在2010年,
05:50
when I received收到 a grant發放 from the
Investigative研究 Reporting報告 Program程序
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我從伯克利大學的
調查性報道專案獲得了研究基金,
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at U.C. Berkeley伯克利,
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開始了我的調查研究工作。
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and a research研究 assistant助理 and I
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我和研究助理建立了數據庫,
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put together一起 a database數據庫
of all terrorism恐怖主義 prosecutions起訴
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包含了911襲擊以來10年時間內
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at the time during
the first decade after 9/11.
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全國所有的恐怖主義起訴案件。
06:01
And we used the court法庭 file文件
to find out whether是否
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我們查閱了大量法庭案宗,
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the defendants被告 had any connections連接
to international國際 terrorist恐怖分子 groups,
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確認被告人與國際恐怖組織是否存在任何聯繫,
06:07
whether是否 an informant線人 was used,
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警方是否曾雇傭線人,
06:09
and whether是否 the informant線人
played發揮 the role角色 of an agent代理人 provocateur挑釁者
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以及線人是否以金錢或其他方式引誘被告人,
06:12
by providing提供 the means手段 and opportunity機會.
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從而扮演「內應」的角色。
06:14
And we submitted提交 that to the FBI聯邦調查局
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我們將整理的資料呈送給FBI當局,
06:15
and we asked them to respond響應
to our database數據庫.
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要求其對資料資訊進行回應。
06:18
If they believed相信 there were any errors錯誤,
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如果他們認為資料存在謬誤,
06:20
we asked them to tell us what they were
and we'd星期三 go back and check
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我會要求指出具體的失實之處,並進一步核查。
06:23
and they never challenged挑戰 any
of our findings發現.
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但FBI從未對我們的調查結果提出質疑。
06:25
Later後來, I used that data數據
in a magazine雜誌 article文章
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此後,我在雜誌文章
06:27
and later後來 in my book,
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和著作中也引用了相關資料。
06:28
and on appearances出場 on places地方
like CBSCBS and NPR美國國家公共電台,
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這些文章發表於CBS和NPR等媒體上,
06:31
they were offered提供 that opportunity機會 again
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他們此時仍然有機會反駁,大聲申辯
06:33
to say, "Trevor特雷弗 Aaronson's阿倫森的
findings發現 are wrong錯誤."
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「特拉沃.阿倫森的調查毫無根據!」
06:35
And they've他們已經 never
come forward前鋒 and said,
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然而,他們從未站出來,
06:37
"These are the problems問題
with those findings發現."
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從未公開指出調查存在任何問題。
06:39
So the data數據 has since以來 been used
by groups like Human人的 Rights Watch
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接著,人權觀察組織也援引了這些資料,
06:42
on its recent最近 report報告 on
these types類型 of sting operations操作.
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用於他們最近的「誘捕行動」專題報道中。
06:45
And so far, the FBI聯邦調查局 has never
really responded回應
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迄今為止,我們對FBI提出的指控——
06:47
to these charges收費 that it's really
not catching terrorists恐怖分子
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他們抓捕的並非恐怖分子,
06:51
so much as it's catching
mentally精神上 ill生病 people
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而是被喬裝打扮的精神病患者——
06:53
that it can dress連衣裙 up as terrorists恐怖分子
in these types類型 of sting operations操作.
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並未得到任何實質性的回應。
06:57
TRTR: So The Intercept截距 is that new
investigative研究 journalism新聞學 website網站,
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主持人:我知道,「截獲」(The Intercept)
07:01
that's cofounded共同創立 by Glenn格倫 Greenwald格林沃爾德.
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是格倫.格林沃爾德與他人
共同創立的新聞調查網站。
07:03
Tell us about your article文章
and why there.
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請談談你的文章以及選擇該網站發表的緣由。
07:06
TATA: The Intercept截距 seemed似乎 to be
the most logical合乎邏輯 place地點 for this
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嘉賓:這個網站是情理之中的選擇。
07:09
because my article文章 is
really leveraging借力 the fact事實 that
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我這篇文章主要基於以下事實:
07:12
a source資源 had leaked洩露 to me
transcripts成績單 of these
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一位消息人士向我披露了
07:15
private私人的 FBI聯邦調查局 conversations對話
that a federal聯邦 judge法官 had sealed密封
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FBI工作人員私下談話的文字稿。
07:18
based基於 on the government's政府的 claim要求
that their release發布
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政府聲稱,若公佈這些文字稿,
07:20
would irreparably猛料 damage損傷
the U.S. government's政府的
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將對美國政府的執法策略造成難以彌補的損害。
07:22
law enforcement強制 strategy戰略.
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聯邦法官以此為由,封存了這些文字稿。
07:24
So a place地點 like The Intercept截距
was set up to protect保護 journalists記者
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「截獲」這類網站的創立初衷,
07:27
and publish發布 their work
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正是為了保護新聞記者,
07:28
when they're dealing交易 with
very sensitive敏感 matters事項 like this.
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並為涉及敏感題材的新聞報道提供發表平臺。
07:31
So my story故事 in The Intercept截距,
which哪一個 was just published發表 today今天,
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該網站今天發表的那篇報道,
07:34
tells告訴 the story故事 of how Sami薩米 OsmakacOsmakac
was set up in this FBI聯邦調查局 sting
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還原了Sami Osmakac
被FBI設套陷害的來龍去脈,
07:37
and goes into much greater更大 detail詳情.
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披露了鮮為人知的真實內幕。
07:39
In this talk, I could only
highlight突出 the things that they said,
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在這個演講裡,我只能複述FBI
07:42
such這樣 as calling調用 him a "retarded智障 fool傻子."
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親口所說的一些事情,
比如稱呼他為「智障低能兒」。
07:44
But it was much more elaborate闡述,
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但故事遠非如此簡單。
07:45
they went to great lengths長度
to put money in Sami薩米 Osmakac'sOsmakac的 hands,
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一開始他們費盡心機,
將錢款交到Sami Osmakac手中,
07:49
which哪一個 he then used to purchase採購 weapons武器
from the undercover秘密 agent代理人.
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後者利用這些錢款從警方臥底手中購置槍支。
07:52
When he went to trial審訊,
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待Sami Osmakac在法院接受審訊時,
07:53
the central中央 piece of evidence證據
was that he paid支付 for these weapons武器,
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主要證據只是顯示他曾自費購買槍支,
07:56
when in truth真相, these transcripts成績單 show顯示
how the FBI聯邦調查局 orchestrated策劃
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但文字稿揭示了正是FBI策劃了這場鬧劇:
07:59
someone有人 who was essentially實質上
mentally精神上 ill生病 and broke打破
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Sami Osmakac罹患精神病,窮困潦倒,
08:01
to get money to then
pay工資 for weapons武器
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被人設套引誘,購槍作案。
08:03
that they could then charge收費 him
in a conspiracy陰謀 for.
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最終,FBI 對其以同謀罪加以指控。
08:06
TRTR: One final最後 question.
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主持人:好,我還有最後一個問題。
08:08
Less than 10 days ago,
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大約10天前,
08:10
the FBI聯邦調查局 arrested被捕 some potential潛在
ISIS伊斯蘭國 suspects犯罪嫌疑人 in Brooklyn布魯克林,
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FBI在布魯克林拘捕了若干ISIS潛在嫌疑犯,
08:13
saying that they might威力
be headed當家 to Syria敘利亞,
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聲稱他們有意前往敘利亞。
08:16
and were those real真實,
or examples例子 of more of the same相同?
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這些指控是否屬實,還是他們在故伎重演?
08:19
TATA: Well so far, we only know
what's come out in the court法庭 file文件,
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嘉賓:就目前從法庭案宗獲悉的情況來看,
08:22
but they seem似乎 to suggest建議 it's another另一個
example of the same相同.
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很可能他們又在施展同樣的伎倆,
08:25
These types類型 of sting operations操作
have moved移動 from flavor味道 to flavor味道.
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不過具體的操作手法大同小異罷了。
08:28
So initially原來 it was al Qaeda凱達 plots地塊,
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以前他們借著打擊基地組織的幌子,
08:30
and now the Islamic清真 State
is the current當前 flavor味道.
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現在,則以消滅伊斯蘭國(ISIS)為掩護。
08:33
What's worth價值 noting注意 about that case案件
is that the three men男人 that were charged帶電
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值得一提的是,該案被指控的三名人員
08:36
only began開始 the plot情節 to go to Syria敘利亞
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在與FBI 線人接上頭後,
08:38
after the introduction介紹
of the FBI聯邦調查局 informant線人,
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只是著手籌備前往敘利亞,並未啟程。
08:40
and in fact事實, the FBI聯邦調查局 informant線人 had helped幫助
them with the travel旅行 documents文件
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實際上,正是FBI線人幫助他們
08:44
that they needed需要.
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申請了各種旅行簽證。
08:45
In kind of a comical滑稽 turn
in that particular特定 case案件,
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而且,案情曾出現頗具喜劇意味的轉折:
08:47
one of the defendant's被告 mother母親
had found發現 out
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其中一名被告人的母親,
08:49
that he was interested有興趣 in going to Syria敘利亞
and had hid his passport護照.
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發現他有意前往敘利亞,
就偷偷藏起了他的護照。
08:53
So it's unclear不明 that even if he had
showed顯示 up at the airport飛機場,
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所以,即使他最後到達機場,
08:55
that he ever could have gone走了 anywhere隨地.
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最終恐怕也一籌莫展,無法成行。
08:57
So yes, there are people who might威力
be interested有興趣 in joining加盟 the Islamic清真 State
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誠然,美國國內有些人
09:01
in the United聯合的 States狀態,
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企圖加入ISIS組織,
09:02
and those are people that the United聯合的
States狀態 government政府 should be looking at
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政府需要密切關注這些人的動向,
09:06
to see if they're interested有興趣
in violence暴力 here.
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儘早斬斷他們與恐怖活動的牽連,
09:08
In this particular特定 case案件, given特定
the evidence證據 that's so far come out,
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但是,就這一特定案件而言,
09:11
it suggests提示 the FBI聯邦調查局 made製作
it possible可能 for these guys
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目前證據表明,正是FBI 親自策劃、導演了
09:13
to move移動 along沿 in a plan計劃 to go to Syria敘利亞
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這出夭折的敘利亞之行,
09:15
when they were never close
to that in the first place地點.
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不然,“參團”成員根本無法順利完成簽證手續。
09:18
TRTR: Thanks謝謝 a lot, that's amazing驚人.
TATA: Thank you.
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主持人:謝謝,十分精彩!
嘉賓:謝謝各位。
09:20
(Applause掌聲)
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Reviewed by Xueling Sun

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Trevor Aaronson - Journalist
An investigative journalist who reports on the FBI’s misuse of informants in counterterrorism operations, Trevor Aaronson asks the question: Is the United States catching terrorists or creating them?

Why you should listen

Trevor Aaronson is the executive director of the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting and the author of The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terrorism. In 2014 he reported and produced "Informants," a one-hour documentary for Al Jazeera Media Network about the FBI’s counterterrorism program. In 2015 he published "To Catch the Devil" with Foreign Policy and "The Sting: How the FBI Created a Terrorist" with The Intercept, both about his work on the FBI's counterterrorism methods.

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