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Anna Deavere Smith: Four American characters
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Spisateljica i glumica Anna Deavere Smith udahnula je život autoru Studsu Terkelu, zatvorenici Pauletti Jenkins, korejskoj vlasnici trgovine i jahaču na rodeu. Ovo je izvadak iz njezinog samostalnog nastupa “Na putu: U potrazi za američkim likom”.
Anna Deavere Smith - Actor, playwright, social critic
Anna Deavere Smith's ground-breaking solo shows blur the lines between theater and journalism, using text from real-life encounters to create gripping portraits. Full bio
Anna Deavere Smith's ground-breaking solo shows blur the lines between theater and journalism, using text from real-life encounters to create gripping portraits. Full bio
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00:25
So my grandfather told me when I was a little girl,
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Dakle, kad sam bila djevojčica, djed mi je rekao:
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"If you say a word often enough, it becomes you."
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“Ako ponoviš riječ dovoljno puta, ona postaje dijelom tebe.”
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And having grown up in a segregated city, Baltimore, Maryland,
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Budući da sam odrasla u segragiranom gradu Baltimoru, u Marylandu,
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I sort of use that idea to go around America with a tape recorder --
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u biti sam koristila tu ideju dok sam išla po Americi s kazetofonom -
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thank God for technology --
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hvala Bogu na tehnologiji –
00:38
to interview people, thinking that if I walked in their words --
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intervjuirajući ljude, s mišlju da ako hodam u njihovim riječima -
00:41
which is also why I don't wear shoes when I perform --
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što je ujedno i razlog zašto ne nosim cipele dok nastupam –
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if I walked in their words, that I could sort of absorb America.
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da ako hodam u njihovim riječima, mogu na neki način upiti Ameriku.
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I was also inspired by Walt Whitman,
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Također me inspirirao i Walt Whitman,
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who wanted to absorb America and have it absorb him.
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koji je htio upiti Ameriku, i htio je da ona upije njega.
00:51
So these four characters are going to be from that work
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Tako da su ova četiri lika dio rada,
00:55
that I've been doing for many years now,
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kojeg provodim već mnogo godina i
00:56
and well over, I don't know, a couple of thousand people
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tijekom kojeg sam intervjuirala, ne znam,
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I've interviewed.
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par tisuća ljudi.
01:00
Anybody out here old enough to know Studs Terkel, that old radio man?
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Da li je itko ovdje dovoljno star da je čuo za Studsa Terkela, starog tipa s radija?
01:05
So I thought he would be the perfect person
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Smatrala sam da bi on bio savršena osoba,
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to go to to ask about a defining moment in American history.
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koju mogu pitati o ključnom trenutku američke povijesti.
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You know, he was "born in 1912, the year the Titanic sank,
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Znate, rođen je “1912., godina kada je potonuo Titanik,
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greatest ship every built. Hits the tip of an iceberg,
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najveći brod ikad sagrađen. Udari u vrh sante leda i
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and bam, it went down. It went down and I came up. Wow, some century."
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bum, potone. On je potonuo, ja sam izronio. Ajme, kakvog li stoljeća.”
01:26
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:28
So this is his answer about a defining moment in American history.
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Dakle, ovo je njegov odgovor na pitanje o ključnom trenutku američke povijesti.
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"Defining moment in American history, I don't think there's one;
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Ključni trenutak američke povijesti. Mislim da ne postoji;
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you can't say Hiroshima, that's a big one --
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ne možeš reći Hirošima, to je važan događaj -
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I can't think of any one moment I would say is a defining moment.
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Ne mogu se sjetiti niti jednog trenutka za kojeg bi rekao da je ključan.
01:42
The gradual slippage -- 'slippage' is the word
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Postepeno podbacivanje – podbacivanje je riječ,
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used by the people in Watergate, moral slippage --
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koju su koristili ljudi u Watergate-u, moralno podbacivanje -
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it's a gradual kind of thing, combination of things.
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to je postepena stvar, kombinacija stvari.
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You see, we also have the technology.
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Vidite, također imamo tehnologiju.
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I say, less and less the human touch.
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Kažem, sve manje i manje ljudskog dodira.
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"Oh, let me kind of tell you a funny little play bit.
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Dajte da vam kažem samo jednu kratku, smiješnu priču.
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The Atlanta airport is a modern airport,
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Zračna luka u Atlanti je suvremena zračna luka,
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and they should leave the gate there.
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i trebali bi tamo ostaviti vrata.
02:02
These trains that take you out to a concourse and on to a destination.
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Ti vlakovi koji te voze do raznih okupljališta i do tvog odredišta.
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And these trains are smooth,
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I ti vlakovi voze glatko,
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and they're quiet and they're efficient.
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tihi su i učinkoviti.
02:12
And there's a voice on the train, you know the voice was a human voice.
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I postoji glas na tom vlaku, i znate to je ljudski glas.
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You see in the old days we had robots, robots imitated humans.
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Vidite, prije smo imali robote, i roboti su imitirali ljude.
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Now we have humans imitating robots.
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Sada imamo ljude, koji imitiraju robote.
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So we got this voice on this train: Concourse One: Omaha, Lincoln.
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Tako imamo taj glas na tom vlaku: Okupljalište Jedan: Omaha, Lincoln.
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Concourse Two: Dallas, Fort Worth. Same voice.
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Okupljalište Dva: Dallas, Fort Worth. Isti glas.
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Just as a train is about to go, a young couple rush in
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Upravo dok se vlak pripremao za polazak, jedan mladi par je uskočio
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and they're just about to close the pneumatic doors.
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i upravo su se zatvarala pneumatska vrata.
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And that voice, without losing a beat, says,
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I taj glas, bez ikakve stanke, kaže,
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'Because of late entry, we're delayed 30 seconds.'
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"Zbog kasnog ukrcavanja, kasnimo 30 sekundi."
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Just then, everybody's looking at this couple with hateful eyes
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Upravo su tada svi pogledali s mržnjom u očima u taj par
02:54
and the couple's going like this, you know, shrinking.
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a par je radio ovo, znate, smanjivao se.
02:56
Well, I'd happened to have had a couple of drinks before boarding --
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Pa, ja sam eto imao par pića prije ukrcavanja -
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I do that to steel my nerves -- and so
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radim to da si smirim živce - i tako
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I imitate a train call, holding my hand on my --
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sam imitirao poziv vlaka, držeći svoju ruku na svojim -
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'George Orwell, your time has come,' you see.
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“George Orwell, tvoje vrijeme je stiglo.”, vidite.
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Well, some of you are laughing. Everybody laughs
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Pa, dio vas se smije. Svi se smiju
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when I say that, but not on this train. Silence.
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kada kažem to, ali ne i na ovom vlaku. Tišina.
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And so suddenly they're looking at me.
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I odjedanput svi gledaju u mene.
03:16
So here I am with the couple, the three of us
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I eto me s tim parom, nas troje,
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shrinking at the foot of Calvary about to be up, you know.
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smanjujemo se u podnožju Kalvarije, i cekamo da budemo razapeti.
03:23
"Just then I see a baby, a little baby in the lap of a mother.
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Upravo sam u tom trenu primjetio dijete, malo dijete u majčinom krilu.
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I know it's Hispanic because she's speaking Spanish to her companion.
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Znam da je latino, jer majka prica španjolski sa svojom pratnjom.
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So I'm going to talk to the baby. So I say to the baby,
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I tako krenem razgovarati s djetetom. I kažem djetetu,
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holding my hand over my mouth because my breath must be 100 proof,
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držeći ruku preko usta, jer mi je dah sigurno 100% alkohol,
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I say to the baby, 'Sir or Madam,
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kažem djetetu: "Gospodine ili Gospođo,
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what is your considered opinion of the human species?'
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koje je vaše uvjerenje o ljudskoj vrsti?"
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And the baby looks, you know, the way babies look at you clearly,
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I dijete je pogledalo, znate kako djeca mogu bistro pogledati,
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starts laughing,
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počelo se smijati k’o ludo,
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starts busting out with this crazy little laugh.
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pucati od smijeha.
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I say, 'Thank God for a human reaction, we haven't lost yet.'
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Rekao sam, “Hvala Bogu na ljudskoj reakciji, nismo još izgubili!”
04:01
"But you see, the human touch, you see, it's disappearing.
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Ali vidite, ljudski dodir nestaje.
04:03
You know, you see, you've got to question the official truth.
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Znate, morate propitkivati službenu istinu.
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You know the thing that was so great about Mark Twain --
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Znate, ono što je bilo odlično kod Marka Twaina -
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you know we honor Mark Twain, but we don't read him.
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znate, odajemo počast Marku Twainu, ali ne čitamo njegova djela.
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We read 'Huck Finn,' of course, we read 'Huck Finn' of course.
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Čitamo Hucka Finna, naravno, čitamo Hucka Finna.
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I mean, Huck, of course, was tremendous.
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Mislim, Huck je bio izvanredan.
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Remember that great scene on the raft, remember what Huck did?
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Sjećate li se onog odličnog prizora na splavi, sjećate li se što je učinio?
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You see, here's Huck; he's an illiterate kid; he's had no schooling,
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Znači, imate Hucka, nepismenog klinca, nije bio školovan,
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but there's something in him.
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ali ima nešto u njemu.
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And the official truth, the truth was, the law was,
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A službena istina, istina je bila, zakon je bio,
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that a black man was a property, was a thing, you see.
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da su crnci bili vlasništvo, bili su stvari, vidite.
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And Huck gets on the raft with a property named Jim, a slave, see.
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I Huck je otišao na splav, sa vlasništvom imenom Jim, robom, znate.
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And he hears that Jim is going to go and take his wife and kids
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I čuo je da će Jim otići i da će uzeti svoju ženu i djecu,
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and steal them from the woman who owns them,
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i da će ih ukrasti ženi, koja ih posjeduje,
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and Huck says, 'Ooh, oh my God, ooh, ooh --
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i Huck kaže 'O, pobogu, o, pobogu -
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that woman, that woman never did anybody any harm.
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ta žena, ta žena nije nikada učinila nikome ništa nažao.
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Ooh, he's going to steal; he's going to steal;
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On će ukrasti, ukrasti će,
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he's going to do a terrible thing.'
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učinit će strašnu stvar.'
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Just then, two slavers caught up, guys chasing slaves, looking for Jim.
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Upravo su ih tada sustigla dva lovca na robove, tražeći Jima.
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'Anybody up on that raft with you?' Huck says, 'Yeah.'
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"Jel’ netko s tobom na toj splavi?" Huck odgovori "Da."
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'Is he black or white?' 'White.' And they go off.
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"Je li crnac ili bijelac?", "Bijelac." I onda su otišli.
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And Huck said, 'Oh my God, oh my God, I lied, I lied, ooh,
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I Huck kaže "Bože moj, Bože moj, lagao sam, lagao sam,
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I did a terrible thing, did a terrible thing -- why do I feel so good?'
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učinio sam užasnu svar, učinio sam užasnu stvar - zašto se onda osjećam tako dobro?"
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"But it's the goodness of Huck, that stuff that Huck's been made of,
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Ali je ta dobrota u Hucku, ono od čega je Huck sačinjen,
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you see, all been buried; it's all been buried.
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bila zakopana, sve je bilo zakopano.
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So the human touch, you see, it's disappearing.
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Tako da ljudski dodir, vidite, on nestaje.
05:29
So you ask about a defining moment --
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Pitate za ključni trenutak.
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ain't no defining moment in American history for me.
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Ne postoji ključni trenutak u američkoj povijesti, ako mene pitate.
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It's an accretion of moments that add up to where we are now,
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To je nakupljanje trenutaka, koji se gomilaju, i dovode nas gdje smo sada,
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where trivia becomes news.
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gdje trivijalne stvari postaju vijest.
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And more and more, less and less awareness of the pain of the other.
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A sve više i više, sve manje svijesti o patnji drugoga.
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Huh. You know, I don't know if you could use this or not,
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Ha. Ne znam da li možete iskoristiti ovo ili ne,
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but I was quoting Wright Morris, a writer from Nebraska, who says,
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ali citirao sam Wrighta Morrisa, pisca iz Nebraske, koji kaže,
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'We're more and more into communications
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"Sve se više bavimo komunikacijama,
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and less and less into communication.'
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a sve manje komuniciramo."
06:00
Okay, kids, I got to scram, got to go see my cardiologist."
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U redu, djeco, brišem odavdje, moram do svog kardiologa.
06:05
And that's Studs Terkel.
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I to je bio Studs Terkel.
06:06
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
06:12
So, talk about risk taking. I'm going to do somebody that nobody likes.
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Tako, kad već govorimo o riskiranju, sada ću odglumiti nekoga, koga nitko ne voli.
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You know, most actors want to do characters that are likeable --
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Znate, većina glumaca žele glumiti likove koje je lako voljeti -
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well, not always, but the notion, especially at a conference like this,
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ne uvijek, ali je misao vodilja, posebice na konferenciji, kao što je ova,
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I like to inspire people.
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da inspiriram ljude.
06:29
But since this was called "risk taking,"
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Ali, s obzirom da se ovo zove riskiranje,
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I'm doing somebody who I never do, because she's so unlikeable
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odglumit ću nekoga, koga nikad ne glumim, zato što se nikome ne sviđa u tolikoj mjeri
06:35
that one person actually came backstage
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da mi je jednom jedna osoba prišla nakon nastupa
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and told me to take her out of the show she was in.
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i rekla da je izbacim iz predstave.
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And I'm doing her because I think we think of risk,
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Sada ću je odglumiti, jer mislim da razmišljamo o riziku,
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at a conference like this, as a good thing.
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na konferenciji ovog tipa, kao o dobroj stvari.
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But there are certain other connotations to the word "risk,"
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Ali postoje i druga značenja koja se pridaju riječi rizik,
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and the same thing about the word "nature." What is nature?
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a isto se događa i sa riječi priroda. Što je priroda?
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Maxine Greene, who's a wonderful philosopher
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Maxine Green, koja je predivna filozofkinja,
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who's as old as Studs, and was the head of a philosophy --
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ista generacija kao i Studs, i bila je na čelu filozofije -
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great, big philosophy kind of an organization --
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velike filozofske organizacije.
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I went to her and asked her what are the two things
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Otišla sam do nje i pitala je, koje su dvije stvari
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that she doesn't know, that she still wants to know.
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koje ne zna, a htjela bi znati.
07:07
And she said, "Well, personally, I still feel like I have to curtsey
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I rekla je, "Osobno, još uvijek imam osjećaj da se moram nakloniti
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when I see the president of my university.
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predsjedniku svoga sveučilišta.
07:12
And I still feel as though I've got to get coffee
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I još uvijek imam osjećaj da moram donositi kavu
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for my male colleagues, even though I've outlived most of them."
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svojim muškim kolegama, iako sam nadživjela mnoge od njih."
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And she said, "And then intellectually,
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I onda je rekla, "Intelektualno,
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I don't know enough about the negative imagination.
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ne znam dovoljno o negativnoj imaginaciji.
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And September 11th certainly taught us
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A jedanaesti rujna nas je sigurno podučio
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that that's a whole area we don't investigate."
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da je to jedno cijelo podrucje, koje ne istražujemo."
07:26
So this piece is about a negative imagination.
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Ovaj dio je o negativnoj imaginaciji.
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It raises questions about what nature is, what Mother Nature is,
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Postavlja pitanja o tome što je priroda, što je Majka Priroda,
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and about what a risk can be.
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i što rizik može značiti.
07:35
And I got this in the Maryland Correctional Institute for Women.
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I došla sam do ovoga u Zatvoru za žene u Marylandu.
07:37
Everything I do is word for word off a tape.
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Sve što izvodim je od riječi do riječi sa kazete.
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And I title things because I think people speak in organic poems,
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I dajem naslove, jer smatram da ljudi govore organskim pjesmama,
07:44
and this is called "A Mirror to Her Mouth."
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a ovaj dio se zove “Ogledalo uz njena usta”.
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And this is an inmate named Paulette Jenkins.
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Ovo je zatvorenica Paulette Jenkins.
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"I began to learn how to cover it up,
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“Naučila sam prikrivati stvari,
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because I didn't want nobody to know that this was happening in my home.
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jer nisam htjela da itko zna da se ovo događa u mom domu.
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I want everybody to think we were a normal family.
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Htjela sam da svi misle da smo normalna obitelj.
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I mean we had all the materialistic things,
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Imali smo sve materijalne stvari,
08:11
but that didn't make my children pain any less;
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ali to nije ublažilo bol moje djece;
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that didn't make their fears subside.
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to nije utišalo njihov strah.
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I ran out of excuses about how we got black eyes
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Ponestalo mi je isprika o tome kako smo dobili masnicu na oku,
08:20
and busted lips and bruises. I didn't had no more excuses.
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otečene usne i modrice. Nisam imala više isprika.
08:24
And he beat me too. But that didn't change the fact
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I tukao me. Ali to nije promijenilo činjenicu
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that it was a nightmare for my family; it was a nightmare.
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da je to bila noćna mora za moju obitelj. To je bila noćna mora.
08:31
And I failed them dramatically,
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Užasno sam ih razočarala,
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because I allowed it to go on and on and on.
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zato što sam dopustila da sve to traje i traje i traje.
08:37
"But the night that Myesha got killed --
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Ali te noći kada je Myesha ubijena -
08:39
and the intensity just grew and grew and grew,
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a napetost je rasla i rasla i rasla
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until one night we came home from getting drugs,
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sve do noći kada smo došli kući, nakon što smo nabavili drogu
08:48
and he got angry with Myesha, and he started beating her,
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i on se naljutio na Myeshu, i počeo ju je tući,
08:51
and he put her in a bathtub. Oh, he would use a belt.
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i stavio ju je u kadu. E da, koristio bi i remen.
08:54
He had a belt because he had this warped perverted thing
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Imao je remen, jer je imao tu iskrivljenu, perverznu misao
08:57
that Myesha was having sex with her little brother
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da Myesha spava sa svojim mlađim bratom
08:59
and they was fondling each other -- that would be his reason.
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i da su se milovali - to je bio njegov razlog.
09:01
I'm just talking about the particular night that she died.
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Pričam samo o toj noći kada je umrla.
09:05
And so he put her in the bathtub,
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I tako ju je stavio u kadu,
09:08
and I was in the bedroom with the baby.
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a ja sam bila u spavaćoj sobi sa djetetom.
09:09
"And four months before this happened, four months before Myesha died,
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A četiri mjeseca prije nego što se ovo dogodilo, četriri mjeseca prije nego sto je Myesha umrla,
09:13
I thought I could really fix this man. So I had a baby by him -- insane --
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mislila sam da stvarno mogu popraviti tog čovjeka. Pa sam mu rodila dijete. Ludo.
09:19
thinking that if I gave him his own kid, he would leave mine alone.
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Mislila sam da ako mu dam njegovo vlastito dijete, ostavit će moje na miru.
09:22
And it didn't work, didn't work.
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I nije upalilo, nije upalilo.
09:26
And I ended up with three children, Houston, Myesha and Dominic,
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Na kraju sam imala troje djece, Houstona, Myeshu i Dominica,
09:30
who was four months old when I came to jail.
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koji je imao četiri mjeseca kada sam završila u zatvoru.
09:33
"And I was in the bedroom. Like I said, he had her in the bathroom
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Bila sam u spavaćoj sobi. I, kako sam rekla, oni su bili u kupaonici,
09:35
and he -- he -- every time he hit her, she would fall.
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a on - on - svaki put kada ju je udario, ona bi pala.
09:40
And she would hit her head on the tub. It happened continuously, repeatedly.
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I udarila bi glavom o kadu. Cijelo vrijeme se to događalo, ponavljalo se.
09:45
I could hear it, but I dared not to move. I didn't move.
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Mogla sam čuti, ali se nisam usudila pomaknuti. Nisam se pomakla.
09:49
I didn't even go and see what was happening.
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Čak nisam ni otišla vidjeti što se događa.
09:51
I just sat there and listened.
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Samo sam sjedila i slušala.
09:54
And then he put her in the hallway.
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Tada ju je odveo u hodnik.
09:59
He told her, just set there. And so she set there for about four or five hours.
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Rekao joj je da sjedi tamo. I tako je ona sjedila tamo kojih četiri, pet sati.
10:06
And then he told her, get up.
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Onda joj je rekao da ustane.
10:09
And when she got up, she says she couldn't see.
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I kada se ustala, rekla je da ne vidi.
10:12
Her face was bruised. She had a black eye.
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Lice joj je bilo puno modrica. Imala je masnicu na oku.
10:17
All around her head was just swollen;
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Cijela glava joj je bila otečena;
10:19
her head was about two sizes of its own size.
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bila je dvostruko veća nego normalno.
10:25
I told him, 'Let her go to sleep.' He let her go to sleep.
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Rekla sam mu da je pusti da ode spavati. I dopustio joj je da ode spavati.
10:32
"The next morning she was dead.
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Sljedeće jutro je bila mrtva.
10:37
He went in to check on her for school, and he got very excited.
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Ušao je u sobu da provjeri da li je spremna za školu i postao je jako uznemiren.
10:40
He says, 'She won't breathe.'
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Rekao je, ne želi disati.
10:42
I knew immediately that she was dead.
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Odmah sam znala da je mrtva.
10:46
I didn't even want to accept the fact that she was dead, so I went in
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Nisam ni htjela prihvatiti činjenicu da je mrtva, zato sam ušla
10:49
and I put a mirror to her mouth --
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i prislonila sam ogledalo uz njena usta -
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there was no thing, nothing, coming out of her mouth.
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nije bilo ničega, ništa nije izlazilo iz njenih usta.
10:55
He said, he said, he said,
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Rekao je, rekao je, rekao je,
10:56
'We can't, we can't let nobody find out about this.'
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ne možemo, ne možemo dopustiti da itko sazna za ovo.
10:58
He say, 'You've got to help me.' I agree. I agree.
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Rekao je, moraš mi pomoći. Složila sam se. Složila sam se.
11:02
"I mean, I've been keeping a secret for years and years and years,
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Mislim, čuvala sam tajnu godinu, za godinom, za godinom,
11:05
so it just seemed like second hand to me, just to keep on keeping it a secret.
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činilo mi se prirodnim da jednostavno nastavim čuvati tajnu.
11:09
So we went to the mall and we told a police that we had, like, lost her,
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Stoga smo otišli u trgovački centar, i rekli smo policiji da smo je, kao, izgubili,
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that she was missing.
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da je nestala.
11:18
We told a security guard that she was missing,
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Rekli smo zaštitaru da je nestala;
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though she wasn't missing.
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ali nije nestala.
11:26
And we told the security guard what we had put on her
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I rekli smo zaštitaru što smo joj obukli
11:28
and we went home and we dressed her in exactly the same thing
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i otišli smo kući i obukli joj upravo tu odjeću,
11:31
that we had told the security guard that we had put on her.
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koju smo rekli zaštitaru da je imala.
11:35
"And then we got the baby and my other child,
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I onda smo uzeli bebu i moje drugo dijete,
11:40
and we drove out to, like, I-95.
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i odvezli smo se do, mislim, autoceste I-95.
11:47
I was so petrified and so numb,
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Bila sam toliko prestravljena i toliko otupljela,
11:50
all I could look was in the rear-view mirror.
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da sam mogla gledati samo u retrovizor.
11:55
And he just laid her right on the shoulder of the highway.
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I samo ju je polegnuo na zaustavni trak autoceste.
12:05
My own child, I let that happen to."
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Moje vlastito dijete. I dopustila sam da se to dogodi.
12:15
So that's an investigation of the negative imagination.
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To je, dakle, istraživanje negativne imaginacije.
12:20
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
12:25
When I started this project
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Kada sam počela ovaj projekt
12:27
called "On the Road: A Search For an American Character"
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pod imenom Na putu: U potrazi za američkim likom
12:29
with my tape recorder, I thought that I was going to go around America
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sa svojim kazetofonom, mislila sam da cu ići po Americi
12:31
and find it in all its aspects -- bull riders, cowboys, pig farmers,
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i naći je u svim njezinim aspektima – jahači na rodeu, kauboji, uzgajivači svinja,
12:36
drum majorettes -- but I sort of got tripped on race relations,
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mažoretkinje – ali nekako sam zapela na rasnim odnosima,
12:40
because my first big show was a show about a race riot.
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jer je moj prvi veliki nastup bio u vezi rasnih nereda.
12:43
And so I went to both -- two race riots,
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I tako sam otisla na oba - dva rasna nereda,
12:46
one of which was the Los Angeles riot. And this next piece is from that.
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jedan od njih je bio nered u Los Angelesu. I ovaj sljedeći dio proizlazi iz njega.
12:49
Because this is what I would say
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Rekla bih, da sam
12:51
I've learned the most about race relations, from this piece.
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najviše naučila o rasnim odnosima iz ovog dijela.
12:55
It's a kind of an aria, I would say, and in many tapes that I have.
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Rekla bih, da je to jedna vrsta arije, i nalazi se u mnogm vrpcama koje imam.
12:59
Everybody knows that the Los Angeles riots happened
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Svi znaju da su se neredi u Los Angelesu dogodili
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because four cops beat up a black man named Rodney King.
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zato što su četiri policajca pretukli crnca, koji se zvao Rodney King.
13:05
It was captured on videotape -- technology --
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Sve je snimljeno - tehnologija -
13:07
and it was played all over the world.
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i snimka je puštana po cijelom svijetu.
13:09
Everybody thought the four cops would go to jail.
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Svi su mislili da će ta četiri policajca ići u zatvor.
13:10
They did not, so there were riots.
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Nisu. Stoga su nastupili neredi.
13:13
And what a lot of people forget, is there was a second trial,
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I što mnogi ljudi zaboravljaju, održalo se i drugo suđenje,
13:15
ordered by George Bush, Sr.
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po nalogu Georga Busha starijeg.
13:17
And that trial came back with two cops going to jail
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Na tom su suđenju osuđena dva policajca
13:22
and two cops declared innocent. I was at that trial.
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dok su dvojica proglašena nevinima. Bila sam na tom suđenju.
13:25
And I mean, the people just danced in the streets
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Hoću reći, ljudi su plesali po ulicama
13:27
because they were afraid there was going to be another riot.
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jer su se bojali da će doći do novih nereda.
13:29
Explosion of joy that this verdict had come back this way.
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To je bila eksplozija veselja, zbog toga što je donesena ovakva presuda.
13:32
So there was a community that didn't -- the Korean-Americans,
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Ali je bila i zajednica koja nije slavila - korejski Amerikanci,
13:36
whose stores had been burned to the ground.
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čije su trgovine izgorjele u neredima.
13:38
And so this woman, Mrs. Young-Soon Han,
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Stoga me ova zena, gospođa Young-Soon Han,
13:40
I suppose will have taught me the most that I have learned about race.
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pretpostavljam najviše naučila o rasi.
13:44
And she asks also a question that Studs talks about:
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Također, postavlja pitanje o kojem i Studs govori:
13:47
this notion of the "official truth," to question the "official truth."
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ta ideja službene istine i propitkivanju te istine.
13:50
So what she's questioning here, she's taking a chance
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Ono što ona dovodi u pitanje, riskira,
13:52
and questioning what justice is in society.
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i pita što je pravda u društvu.
13:55
And this is called, "Swallowing the Bitterness."
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Ovo se zove “Progutati gorčinu.”
13:59
"I used to believe America was the best.
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Prije sam smatrala da je Amerika najbolja.
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I watched in Korea many luxurious Hollywood lifestyle movie.
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U Koreji sam gledala mnoge holivudske filmove o luksuznom životu.
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I never saw any poor man, any black.
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Nikad nisam vidjela nijednog siromašnog čovjeka, nijednog crnog.
14:17
Until 1992, I used to believe America was the best -- I still do;
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Do 1992. sam smatrala da je Amerika najbolja - još uvijek to mislim,
14:21
I don't deny that because I am a victim.
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ne poričem to, samo zato što sam žrtva.
14:25
But at the end of '92, when we were in such turmoil,
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Ali na kraju 1992. godine, kada smo bili u tolikom metežu,
14:30
and having all the financial problems, and all the mental problems,
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kada smo imali financijske probleme, i mentalne probleme,
14:34
I began to really realize that Koreans
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tada sam počela uistinu shvaćati da su Koreanci
14:38
are completely left out of this society and we are nothing.
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u potpunosti izostavljeni iz ovog društva i da smo ništa.
14:45
Why? Why do we have to be left out?
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Zašto? Zašto moramo biti izostavljeni?
14:48
We didn't qualify for medical treatment, no food stamp, no GR,
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Nismo se prijavljivali na liječenje, niti za markice za hranu niti za socijalnu pomoc,
14:54
no welfare, anything. Many African-Americans who never work
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za ništa. Mnogi Afroamerikanci, koji nikada ne rade
15:01
got minimum amount of money to survive.
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dobili su najmanju svotu novca, dovoljnu da prežive.
15:05
We didn't get any because we have a car and a house.
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Mi nismo dobili ništa zato što imamo auto i kuću.
15:13
And we are high taxpayer. Where do I find justice?
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I pripadamo visokom platnom razredu. Gdje da ja nađem pravdu?
15:24
"OK. OK? OK. OK.
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U redu. U redu. U redu. U redu.
15:31
Many African-Americans probably think that they won by the trial.
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Mnogi Afroamerikanci vjerojatno misle da su pobjedili na suđenju.
15:35
I was sitting here watching them the morning after the verdict,
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Sjedila sam ovdje i gledala ih jutro poslije presude,
15:38
and all the day they were having a party, they celebrated,
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i cijeli dan su imali zabavu, slavili su,
15:42
all of South Central, all the churches. And they say,
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cijeli South Central, sve crkve. I rekli su,
15:45
'Well, finally justice has been done in this society.'
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napokon je pravda provedena u ovom društvu.
15:51
Well, what about victims' rights?
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A što je sa pravima žrtava?
15:54
They got their rights by destroying innocent Korean merchants.
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Oni su dobili svoja prava uništavajući nevine korejske trgovce.
16:07
They have a lot of respect, as I do, for Dr. Martin King.
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Iznimno poštuju, kao i ja, doktora Martina Kinga.
16:14
He is the only model for black community; I don't care Jesse Jackson.
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On je jedini uzor za crnačku zajednicu; Ne sviđa mi se Jesse Jackson.
16:21
He is the model of non-violence, non-violence --
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On je uzor za nenasilje, nenasilje -
16:25
and they would all like to be in his spirit.
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i svi bi oni htjeli imati njegov duh.
16:30
"But what about 1992? They destroyed innocent people.
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Ali sto je sa 1992.? Uništili su nevine ljude.
16:37
And I wonder if that is really justice
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I pitam se da li je to stvarno pravda
16:41
for them, to get their rights in that way.
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kada oni dobivaju svoja prava na ovakav način.
16:48
I was swallowing the bitterness, sitting here alone and watching them.
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Gutala sam gorčinu, sjedeći sama ovdje, gledajući ih.
16:57
They became so hilarious, but I was happy for them.
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Bili su tako smiješni, ali ja sam bila sretna za njih.
17:04
I was glad for them. At least they got something back, OK.
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Bilo mi je drago. Barem im se nešto vratilo. U redu.
17:09
Let's just forget about Korean victims and other victims
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Zaboravimo korejske žrtve i druge žrtve,
17:16
who were destroyed by them.
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koje su oni uništili.
17:21
They fought for their rights for over two centuries,
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Borili su se za svoja prava preko dva stoljeća,
17:30
and maybe because they sacrifice other minorities,
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možda su zato žrtvovali druge manjine
17:33
Hispanic, Asian, we would suffer more in the mainstream.
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latinoamerikance, azijate, da bi patili oni koji su u većini.
17:38
That's why I understand;
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Zato razumijem,
17:39
that's why I have a mixed feeling about the verdict.
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zato imam podijeljene osjećaje oko presude.
17:42
"But I wish that, I wish that, I wish that
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Ali želim, želim, želim da
17:47
I could be part of the enjoyment.
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mogu biti dijelom uživanja.
17:50
I wish that I could live together with black people.
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Želim da mogu živjeti sa crncima.
17:57
But after the riot, it's too much difference.
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Ali nakon nereda, previše je razlika.
18:07
The fire is still there. How do you say it? [Unclear].
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Vatra je još uvijek prisutna. Kako kažete?
18:14
Igniting, igniting, igniting fire. Igniting fire.
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Zapaliti, zapaliti, zapaliti vatru. Zapaliti vatru.
18:22
It's still there; it can burst out anytime."
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Još je prisutna; može buknuti svakog trena.
18:34
Mrs. Young-Soon Han.
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Gospođa Young-Soon Han.
18:36
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
18:44
The other reason that I don't wear shoes
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Drugi razlog zbog kojeg ne nosim cipele
18:48
is just in case I really feel like I have to cuddle up
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je za slučaj da stvarno želim prigrliti lik
18:51
and get into the feet of somebody,
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i ući u nečija stopala,
18:53
walking really in somebody else's shoes.
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uistinu hodati u nečijim tuđim cipelama.
18:55
And I told you that in -- you know, I didn't give you the year,
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I rekla sam vam - mislim, nisam vam rekla godinu,
18:58
but in '79 I thought that I was going to go around
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ali 1979. sam mislila da cu ići uokolo i
19:01
and find bull riders and pig farmers and people like that,
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da cu naći jahače na rodeu i uzgajivače svinja i takve ljude,
19:03
and I got sidetracked on race relations.
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i onda su me zaveli rasni odnosi.
19:06
Finally, I did find a bull rider, two years ago.
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Napokon sam našla jahača na rodeu, prije dvije godine.
19:09
And I've been going to the rodeos with him, and we've bonded.
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I išla sam s njim na roder, i zbližili smo se.
19:12
And he's the lead in an op-ed I did about the Republican Convention.
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I on je glavni lik u novinskom članku, kojeg sam napisala o republikanskoj Konvenciji.
19:17
He's a Republican -- I won't say anything about my party affiliation, but anyway --
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On je republikanac - neću ništa reći o svojoj stranačkoj pripadnosti. Kako god bilo -
19:22
so this is my dear, dear Brent Williams,
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ovo je moj dragi, dragi Brent Williams,
19:26
and this is on toughness,
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i ovaj je dio o izdržljivosti,
19:27
in case anybody needs to know about being tough
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u slučaju da netko želi znati što znači biti izdržljiv
19:30
for the work that you do. I think there's a real lesson in this.
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u poslu kojeg radite. Mislim da se ovdje može naći prava poruka.
19:33
And this is called "Toughness."
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I ovo se zove “Izdržljivost.”
19:36
"Well, I'm an optimist. I mean basically I'm an optimist.
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Pa, ja sam optimist. Mislim, u biti jesam optimist.
19:41
I mean, you know, I mean, it's like my wife, Jolene,
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Mislim, to je kao s mojom ženom, Jolene,
19:43
her family's always saying,
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njezina obitelj uvijek kaže
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you know, you ever think he's just a born loser?
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znaš, da li ikad misliš da je on rođeni gubitnik,
19:47
It seems like he has so much bad luck, you know.
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izgleda kao da nema sreće, znaš.
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But then when that bull stepped on my kidney, you know,
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Ali kada je onaj bik nagazio moj bubreg,
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I didn't lose my kidney -- I could have lost my kidney,
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nisam izgubio svoj bubreg - mogao sam izgubiti bubreg,
19:53
I kept my kidney, so I don't think I'm a born loser.
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zadržao sam bubreg, tako da ne mislim da sam rođeni gubitnik.
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I think that's good luck.
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Mislim da je to sreća.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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"And, I mean, funny things like this happen.
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Mislim, smiješne stvari kao što je ta se događaju.
20:00
I was in a doctor's office last CAT scan,
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Bio sam kod doktora, za zadnji CT,
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and there was a Reader's Digest, October 2002.
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i tamo je bio časopis Reader’s Digest, listopad 2002.
20:07
It was like, 'seven ways to get lucky.' And it says
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Tema je bila, sedam načina da vam se posreći. I kaže
20:10
if you want to get lucky,
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ako želiš da ti se posreći,
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you know, you've got to be around positive people.
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znaš, moraš biti okružen pozitivnim ljudima.
20:13
I mean, like even when I told my wife that you want to come out here
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Mislim, čak kad sam rekao ženi da ti želiš doći ovdje
20:17
and talk to me, she's like, 'She's just talking;
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razgovarati sa mnom, ona je rekla kao, ona samo priča,
20:19
she's just being nice to you. She's not going to do that.'
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samo je pristojna. Neće to učiniti.
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"And then you called me up and you said you wanted to come out here
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I onda si me nazvala i rekla da želiš doći ovdje
20:23
and interview me and she went and looked you up on the Internet.
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i intervjuirati me, ona je otišla na Internet da te nađe.
20:25
She said, 'Look who she is.
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Rekla je, gledaj, tko je ona.
20:27
You're not even going to be able to answer her questions.'
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Nećeš moći ni odgovoriti na njezina pitanja.
20:29
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
20:33
And she was saying you're going to make me look like an idiot
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I rekla mi je, zbog tebe ću izgledati kao idiot
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because I've never been to college,
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zato što nikad nisam išao na faks
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and I wouldn't be talking professional or anything.
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i ne bi razgovarao profesionalno i tako.
20:38
I said, 'Well look, the woman talked to me for four hours.
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Rekao sam, gledaj, žena je sa mnom pričala četiri sata.
20:40
You know, if I wasn't talking -- you know,
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Mislim, da nisam pričao - znaš,
20:42
like, you know, she wanted me to talk,
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htjela je da pričam,
20:43
I don't think she would even come out here.'
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inače ne bi htjela doći ovdje.
20:48
"Confidence? Well, I think I ride
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Samopouzdanje? Pa, mislim da jašem
20:51
more out of determination than confidence.
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više zbog predanosti nego zbog samopouzdanja.
20:54
I mean, confidence is like, you know,
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Samopouzanje je, znate kao
20:55
you've been on that bull before; you know you can ride him.
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već si bio na tom biku i znaš da ga možeš jahati.
20:57
I mean, confidence is kind of like being cocky, but in a good way.
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Mislim, samopouzdanje je kao bahatost, ali na dobar način.
21:01
But determination, you know, it's like just, you know, 'Fuck the form,
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Ali predanost je, kao, znaš, "Jebeš kako izgleda,
21:04
get the horn.'
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važno da uspiješ."
21:06
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
21:10
That's Tuff Hedeman, in the movie '8 Seconds.'
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To je Tuff Hedeman, u filmu "8 sekundi."
21:12
I mean, like, Pat O'Mealey always said when I was a boy,
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Kao što mi je Pat O’Mealey rekao kada sam bio mali,
21:14
he say, 'You know, you got more try than any kid I ever seen.'
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rekao je, znaš, ti imaš više volje od bilo kojeg klinca kojeg sam vidio.
21:17
And try and determination is the same thing.
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Volja i predanost su ista stvar.
21:19
Determination is, like, you're going to hang on that bull,
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Predanost je kao, držat ćeš se za tog bika,
21:21
even if you're riding upside down.
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čak i ako jašeš naopačke.
21:23
Determination's like, you're going to ride
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Predanost je kao, jahat ćeš
21:25
till your head hits the back of the dirt.
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dok ti glava ne udari u zemlju.
21:28
"Freedom? It would have to be the rodeo.
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Sloboda? To bi morao biti rodeo.
21:32
"Beauty? I don't think I know what beauty is.
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Ljepota? Mislim da ne znam što je ljepota.
21:37
Well, you know, I guess that'd have to be the rodeo too.
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Pa, znaš, valjda bi i to bio rodeo.
21:39
I mean, look how we are, the roughy family,
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Mislim, gledaj kakvi smo, gruba obitelj,
21:40
palling around and shaking hands and wrestling around me.
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družimo se, rukujemo se, hrvamo se.
21:43
It's like, you know, racking up our credit cards on entry fees and gas.
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To je kao, znaš, peglati kreditnu karticu na upisnine i benzin.
21:46
We ride together, we, you know, we, we eat together
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Jašemo zajedno, znaš, jedemo zajedno,
21:49
and we sleep together.
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spavamo zajedno.
21:50
I mean, I can't even imagine what it's going to be like
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Mislim, ne mogu niti zamisliti kako će izgledati
21:53
the last day I rodeo. I mean, I'll be alright.
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moj zadnji dan rodea. Mislim, bit ću dobro.
21:55
I mean, I have my ranch and everything,
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Mislim, imam svoj ranč i tako,
21:56
but I actually don't even want to think the day that comes.
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ali ustvari ne želim ni razmišljati o tom danu.
21:59
I mean, I guess it just be like --
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Mislim, pretpostavljam da će to biti -
22:01
I guess it be like the day my brother died.
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kao kada mi je brat umro.
22:05
"Toughness? Well, we was in West Jordan, Utah, and this bull
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Izdržljivost? Pa, bili smo u West Jordanu u Uti, i jedan bik
22:10
shoved my face right through the metal shoots in a --
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mi je nabio lice kroz metalna vrata, i -
22:13
you know, busted my face all up and had to go to the hospital.
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znaš, razbio mi je lice i morao sam u bolnicu.
22:16
And they had to sew me up and straighten my nose out.
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Morali su me zašiti i ispraviti mi nos.
22:18
And I had to go and ride in the rodeo that night,
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A morao sam jahati rodeo te večeri,
22:20
so I didn't want them to put me under anesthesia,
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pa nisam htio da me anesteziraju,
22:23
or whatever you call it. And so they sewed my face up.
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ili kako se to već kaže. I tako su mi zašili lice.
22:26
And then they had to straighten out my nose,
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I onda su mi morali izravnati nos,
22:28
and they took these rods and shoved them up my nose
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pa su uzeli te šipke i nabili mi ih u nos
22:31
and went up through my brains
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i probile su mi mozak
22:33
and felt like it was coming out the top of my head,
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i imao sam osjećaj da su mi izašle kroz vrh glave,
22:35
and everybody said that it should have killed me,
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i svi su mi rekli da me to trebalo ubiti,
22:37
but it didn't, because I guess I have a high tolerance for pain.
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ali nije, jer valjda imam visoki prag tolerancije za bol.
22:41
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
22:44
But the good thing was, once they shoved those rods up there
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Ali dobra stvar u svemu tome je, kad su mi zabili te šipke u nos,
22:47
and straightened my nose out, I could breathe,
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i ispravili mi nos, mogao sam disati,
22:49
and I hadn't been able to breathe
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a nisam mogao disati
22:51
since I broke my nose in the high school rodeo."
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od srednje škole, kada sam slomio nos na rodeu.
22:54
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
22:56
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Anna Deavere Smith - Actor, playwright, social criticAnna Deavere Smith's ground-breaking solo shows blur the lines between theater and journalism, using text from real-life encounters to create gripping portraits.
Why you should listen
Hailed by Newsweek as "the most exciting individual in American theater," Anna Deavere Smith uses solo performance as a public medium to explore issues of race, identity and community in America. Her grandfather once told her, "Say a word often enough, and it becomes you."
Inspired by this and Walt Whitman's idea "to absorb America," Deavere Smith began interviewing people (more than 2,000 now) across the country some 20 years ago. Without props, sets or costumes, she translates those encounters into profound performances, each drawing verbatim from the original recorded interview. She has an uncanny ability to inhabit the characters -- or rather the people -- she's representing onstage, regardless of their race, gender or age. And while her approach to cultural commentary is now widely imitated, she remains the master of the form. Her play, Let Me Down Easy, premiered this year at the Long Wharf Theater.
Deavere Smith is perhaps best known for her examination of race relations, having written and performed Fires in the Mirror, a raw view of those affected by the Crown Heights riots of 1991, and Twilight: Los Angeles, which tackled the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Along the way, she's earned two Obies, a MacArthur "genius" grant, and several Tony nominations, while also teaching at Stanford and NYU, and roles on such shows as The West Wing and HBO's Life Support. Her most recent book is Letters to a Young Artist: Straight Up Advice on Making a Life in the Arts, and she is the founding director of the Institute on the Arts and Civic Dialogue, a group that brings together artists to make works about social change.
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