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Madame Gandhi and Amber Galloway-Gallego: "Top Knot Turn Up" / "Bad Habits"
甘地女士和安伯·加洛韦·加洛列: 《发髻朝上》/《坏习惯》
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“音乐远不止声音穿梭于我们的耳间，”手语翻译安伯·加洛韦·加洛列在一次精神盛宴般的表演中说道。音乐家与社会活动家甘地女士表演了两首歌曲——《发髻朝上》和《坏习惯》——安伯·加洛韦·加洛列则提供了一场生动的手语传译。
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00:12
Amber Galloway-Gallego: OK, hi.
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安伯·加洛韦·加洛列：大家好。
00:15
I'm a sign-language interpreter
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我是一位手语翻译员，
00:16
that specializes in music interpreting.
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专精于音乐转译。
00:19
And you're probably wondering
why Deaf people would attend concerts,
why Deaf people would attend concerts,
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你大概在想，聋人为什么
会参加音乐会呢？
会参加音乐会呢？
00:23
but actually, music
is so much more than sound
is so much more than sound
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但事实上，音乐远不止
00:27
simply traveling through the ear.
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穿梭于耳中的声音。
00:30
See, Deaf people experience music,
just in a different way.
just in a different way.
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聋人也可以感受音乐，
只不过通过一种不同的方式。
只不过通过一种不同的方式。
00:34
For example, my friend Lisa,
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举个例子，我的朋友丽萨，
00:37
she cuts her hair a certain length,
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把她的头发剪到
一个特定的长度，
一个特定的长度，
00:39
so she feels the vibrations
of sound in the music.
of sound in the music.
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这样她就可以感受到
音乐声音的震动。
音乐声音的震动。
00:44
And music has psychological effects on us.
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音乐对我们有精神层面的效果。
00:47
It invokes feelings of nostalgia,
happiness, sadness,
happiness, sadness,
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它会激发怀旧、
快乐、伤心的感觉，
快乐、伤心的感觉，
00:54
falling in love.
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坠入爱河的感觉。
00:55
It makes you have a feeling
of connectedness,
of connectedness,
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一种联通感，
00:58
and unfortunately,
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但不幸的是，
01:00
Deaf and hard-of-hearing people
are excluded from these events,
are excluded from these events,
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聋人和患有听力障碍的人们
无法体验这样的感受，
无法体验这样的感受，
01:03
because obtaining a sign-language
interpreter is so difficult
interpreter is so difficult
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因为找到一位手语翻译员
是非常困难的，
是非常困难的，
01:07
and so overwhelming
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这也让人倍感压力，
01:09
that they simply don't buy
the tickets or they just give up,
the tickets or they just give up,
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于是他们干脆就不买票，
甚至直接放弃，
甚至直接放弃，
01:13
and this is not OK.
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这很不好。
01:14
We have to make everything accessible.
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我们需要让所有东西都变得可行。
01:18
So, myself, I am
a sign-language interpreter,
a sign-language interpreter,
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所以，我，作为一位口语翻译员，
01:22
so what I have to do is I have
to take music and bring it to life.
to take music and bring it to life.
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需要让音乐变得鲜活可见。
01:28
In doing that, I become a bridge
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做这件事，让我成为了一座桥梁
01:30
between the hearing world
and the Deaf world,
and the Deaf world,
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联通声觉世界与无声世界，
01:33
making sure that I'm representing music
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确保我在展现音乐的同时，
01:36
and the artistry of what music represents.
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也展现了音乐的艺术价值。
01:39
Now, this is a lot of work, OK?
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这很费劲的，好嘛?
01:41
For a regular set that might be 12 songs,
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一套普通的乐集或许有12首歌，
01:45
myself and a team,
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我和我的团队，
01:46
we have to study over 30 songs
or more for one set
or more for one set
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我们为了一个乐集要学习过30首歌
01:50
and hope and pray
we have the right setlist.
we have the right setlist.
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并祈祷我们有正确的乐集表。
01:53
But you know what?
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但是你知道吗？
01:55
You know what the reward is?
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但你知道收获是什么吗？
01:56
Looking down in the audience
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是看着观众们，
01:57
and seeing Deaf
and hard-of-hearing members,
and hard-of-hearing members,
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看到听觉障碍群体，
02:00
all of those people dancing
and jamming out
and jamming out
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共同起舞，摇摆，
02:03
and feeling included
in that music experience.
in that music experience.
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感到自己也体验了音乐。
02:09
For myself, I'm a part of this cultural
and linguistic community,
and linguistic community,
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对于我自己，我也是
这个语言文化社区的一份子，
这个语言文化社区的一份子，
02:14
and we all communicate in different ways.
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我们都用不同的方式交流。
02:16
Some of us sign and voice,
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有些用声音与手语，
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some of us just sign,
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有些只用手语，
02:20
but no one way is superior to the other.
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但没有谁比谁更高人一等。
02:23
But you know what?
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但你知道吗？
02:24
Those with hearing loss face
daily battles to communication access,
daily battles to communication access,
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那些失去听力的人们
每天都要为拥有交流能力而奋斗，
每天都要为拥有交流能力而奋斗，
02:30
and those barriers
are put up daily for them.
are put up daily for them.
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这些障碍他们每天都要面对。
02:33
And music shouldn't be one of them.
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而音乐不当成为其中一种。
02:36
So along with Madame Gandhi
and myself today,
and myself today,
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所以今天让我们和甘地女士，
02:39
let's break down those barriers.
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一起打破这些障碍。
02:42
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声与喝彩）
02:45
(Music: "Top Knot Turn Up")
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（音乐：《发髻朝上》）
02:48
(Percussion)
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（打击乐声）
02:52
Madame Gandhi: This is a song
about getting the work done.
about getting the work done.
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甘地女士：这是一首关于如何搞定事情的歌。
02:55
Hair up in a bun that's the most fun.
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发髻盘头甚有趣。
02:57
Hearing myself think when I go for a run
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出门跑步思绪多，
02:59
or maybe I'm practicing the drums
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又或我在练习击鼓，
03:00
or maybe I'm writing in the sun,
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又或我在日光下写作，
03:02
the takeaway point
is I'm talking to no one.
is I'm talking to no one.
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需要知道的是我不同任何人讲。
03:04
Protecting my vibes that are wholesome,
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保护我的感受，让我感到安全，
03:06
trying my best to solve actual problems.
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竭尽全力解决实在的问题。
03:08
If you want to hang with me
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如果你想跟我玩，
03:10
then you have to roll up
your sleeves and work with me.
your sleeves and work with me.
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那你得卷起袖子同我一同干活。
03:15
This ain't no time to come flirt with me;
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没时间谈情说爱了；
03:17
pipelines and drills
are destroying the earth, you see.
are destroying the earth, you see.
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管道钻井摧残着地球，你瞧。
03:20
I cannot stand all the constant misogyny.
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我无法忍受这不断的女性歧视。
03:22
Tie my hair back so there
ain't nothing stopping me.
ain't nothing stopping me.
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头发系在脑后所以什么都挡不住我。
03:24
Top knot turn up. It's a top knot turn up.
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发髻朝上，万事无阻。
03:26
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up --
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发髻朝上，朝上，朝上——
03:28
about getting the work done.
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万事无阻。
03:30
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up.
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发髻朝上，朝上，朝上。
03:32
It's a top knot turn up.
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发髻朝上。
03:34
Top knot turn up, eh.
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发髻朝上。
03:35
(Percussion)
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（打击乐声）
03:53
Tie up and tie up your hair
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绑起你的头发，绑起你的头发，
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and throw back those curls.
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把卷毛都绑到后面。
03:56
So tie up and tie up and tie up your hair
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所以绑起你的头发，绑起你的头发，
03:58
and throw back those curls, uh ...
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把卷毛都绑到后面，
04:00
Throw back those curls,
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把卷毛都绑到后面，
04:01
throw back and throw back
and throw back those curls, uh ...
and throw back those curls, uh ...
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把卷毛都绑到后面，把卷毛都绑到后面，
04:04
(Beatboxing)
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（口技表演）
04:06
(Percussion and beatboxing)
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（口技表演与打击乐声）
04:21
I turned off my phone's notifications,
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我关掉了手机的提醒，
04:23
so I have more time.
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所以我能有更多时间。
04:25
No bubbles to trouble
my clear state of mind.
my clear state of mind.
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无事缠身，心静意合。
04:28
One thing to know, I'm not here to please.
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有一件事需要知道，我不是来取悦别人的。
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Hair tied back, I do it properly.
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头发绑在脑后，我知道该怎么做。
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My time is not your property
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我的时间不是你的资产。
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when I'm productive like my ovaries.
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我像我的卵巢一样高产。
04:36
Eh, give a grown girl room to breathe,
basic rights and her liberty.
basic rights and her liberty.
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给大女孩点呼吸的空间，她基本的自由。
04:40
Free from insecurity
that the world's projecting onto me.
that the world's projecting onto me.
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从世界向我投射的不安全感中解脱。
04:43
Please do not trouble me
when I am focused.
when I am focused.
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请不要在我专注时打扰我。
04:45
The future is female,
you already know this.
you already know this.
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未来属于女性，你已然知道。
04:47
I'm fighting against
the corruption on SCOTUS,
the corruption on SCOTUS,
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我抵抗腐败的最高法院，
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upping my top knot
since when I first wrote this.
since when I first wrote this.
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自我写下这歌便始终绑着发髻。
04:52
Eh ...
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嘿……
04:53
It's a top knot turn up.
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发髻朝上。
04:55
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up --
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发髻朝上，朝上，朝上——
04:57
about getting the work done.
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万事无阻。
04:58
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up.
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发髻朝上，朝上，朝上。
05:01
It's a top knot turn up.
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发髻朝上。
05:02
Top knot turn up, ay.
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发髻朝上。
05:04
(Percussion)
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（打击乐声）
05:21
Tie up and tie up and tie up your hair,
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绑起，绑起，绑起你的头发，
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throw back those curls.
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把卷毛都绑到后面。
05:24
Tie up and tie up your hair,
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绑起，绑起，绑起你的头发，
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throw back those curls, uh ...
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把卷毛都绑到后面，
05:28
Throw back those curls,
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把卷毛都绑到后面，
05:30
throw back and throw back
and throw back those curls.
and throw back those curls.
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把卷毛都绑到后面。
05:32
(Beatboxing)
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（口技表演）
05:36
Amber G.
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安伯·G。
05:38
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声与喝彩）
05:41
Top knot turn up.
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发髻朝上。
05:42
(Music and applause)
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（音乐声与掌声）
05:46
Madame Gandhi.
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甘地女士。
05:48
(Music)
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（音乐声）
05:49
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声与喝彩）
05:51
(Music ends)
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（音乐停止）
05:52
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声与喝彩）
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Amber, it's such a pleasure
to share this stage with you,
to share this stage with you,
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很幸运与你同台，安伯，
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and to make my music accessible
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让我的音乐
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to an audience who might be
hard of hearing or Deaf
hard of hearing or Deaf
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得以被聋或听觉障碍群体感受到，
06:08
and otherwise might not be able
to be included in my music.
to be included in my music.
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否则他们很难体会到我的音乐。
06:13
And it really wasn't
until this collaboration
until this collaboration
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而且直到这次合作，
06:16
that I had thought of the fact
that though I work so much
that though I work so much
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我才意识到
06:19
in diversity and inclusion,
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即使我为了多样化与包容性付出了许多努力，
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that my music may not be reaching
as many people as it could be.
as many people as it could be.
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我的音乐并不能传递给那么多人。
06:26
I grew up in New York City,
playing the drums,
playing the drums,
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我在纽约长大，学习过架子鼓，
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listening to Nas, Lauryn Hill,
Thievery Corporation,
Thievery Corporation,
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听着纳斯，劳伦·希尔，窃盗集团，
06:31
TV on the Radio,
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收音机电视，
06:32
the Spice Girls --
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辣妹组合——
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And for me, music was truth.
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对于我来说，音乐是真相。
06:36
Music was my perspective
into somebody else's point of view,
into somebody else's point of view,
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音乐帮我了解他人观点，
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into storytelling,
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了解叙事，
06:41
into understanding how the world works.
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了解世界的运作方法。
06:44
And yet at the same time,
I felt like there was such a disconnect
I felt like there was such a disconnect
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然而在同时，我感到一种链接紊乱
06:48
between the way that I understood
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在自我对
06:49
my own very multidimensional
sense of my gender identity
sense of my gender identity
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自己性别的理解
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and the very two-dimensional way
that women and femmes
that women and femmes
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与媒体对女性们
06:55
were often portrayed in the media.
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肤浅的描绘之间。
06:57
(Sighs)
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（叹气）
06:59
As I moved through my life,
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在我在人生中前进时，
07:01
I went on to study mathematics
and women's studies at Georgetown.
and women's studies at Georgetown.
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我前往了乔治城大学学习数学和女性研究。
07:04
I was the first-ever data analyst
at Interscope Records.
at Interscope Records.
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我是环球唱片有史以来的第一位数据分析师。
07:08
I toured the world
playing the drums for M.I.A.
playing the drums for M.I.A.
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我为M.I.A.打架子鼓并同他们进行了世界巡演。
07:10
And I did my MBA at Harvard,
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然后我在哈佛读了MBA，
07:12
all with the intention of being able
to make a difference in the music industry
to make a difference in the music industry
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都是为了能够在音乐产业做到不同，
07:16
and move the needle on gender equality
from the business side.
from the business side.
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并把对性别平等的需要在商业化上推进。
07:21
But it was only until three years ago,
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但是直到三年前，
07:23
when I ran the London Marathon
bleeding freely on my cycle
bleeding freely on my cycle
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当我跑伦敦马拉松时，我在经期自由的流着血
07:27
to combat the global menstrual stigma
that women face every day
that women face every day
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来对抗全球对女性月经的日日鄙夷，
07:30
all around the world,
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全世界都如此，
07:32
that I realized that I have a message,
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我意识到自己有一条理念，
07:34
and that the most effective way
that I can convey my message
that I can convey my message
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最好的阐述这个理念的方式
07:37
was through my music.
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就是通过我的音乐。
07:39
And why music?
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为什么是音乐呢?
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Because music caters to the emotions.
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因为音乐会激发情感。
07:42
Music is joyful.
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音乐是欢乐的。
07:44
Music pulls you in with the beat
and the rhythm and the melodies.
and the rhythm and the melodies.
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音乐的节拍，韵律与旋律会吸引你。
07:47
The music pulls you in
via the community aspect of it.
via the community aspect of it.
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音乐的团体特征也会吸引你。
07:50
And music allows you to access
somebody else's truth.
somebody else's truth.
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而且音乐允许你接触他人的故事。
07:54
In the music I listen to today,
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今天我听的音乐，
07:55
sometimes I'm like, wow,
I love the rhythm so much,
I love the rhythm so much,
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有些时候我觉得这个旋律可真好听，
07:57
but the message is so misogynist,
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但传递的信息却如此让人厌恶，
07:59
it's tough to work out to our run to
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我很难听着这种歌健身或者跑步
08:01
or do whatever it is
that I'm trying to do.
that I'm trying to do.
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或者做任何事。
08:03
I oftentimes say, "I'm not here
trying to turn up to the sound
trying to turn up to the sound
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我时常会说: “我不是来宣传
08:06
of my own oppression."
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自己的压抑的。”
08:07
You feel me?
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你懂我吗?
08:08
(Laughter and cheers)
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（笑声与喝彩）
08:11
So I'm here to build
the alternative instead.
the alternative instead.
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所以我是来提供一个解决方案的。
08:14
In my work, I talk often about
the notion that the future is female.
the notion that the future is female.
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在我的作品里，我时常讲未来是属于女性的。
08:17
That we can actually look
to the femme archetype
to the femme archetype
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我们能够真正的审视女性的本形
08:20
and derive alternative
styles of leadership
styles of leadership
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派生不同形式的领导权，
08:22
that might encourage,
instead, collaboration,
instead, collaboration,
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这将会提倡合作，
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emotional intelligence
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情感智慧
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and building a world
that is linked and not ranked.
that is linked and not ranked.
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并建立一个被连接主宰的世界，而非阶层。
08:29
And so for anyone watching or listening
and experiencing this talk today,
and experiencing this talk today,
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所以对所有在看或在听
或在现场体验这场演讲的人，
或在现场体验这场演讲的人，
08:33
I encourage you to consider
the blind spots in your work
the blind spots in your work
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我提倡你们去考虑自己工作的盲点
08:36
and what partnerships
or collaborations you can do
or collaborations you can do
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以及怎样的合作关系
08:39
to be able to make your work
have even greater of an impact.
have even greater of an impact.
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可以让你的工作变得更具影响力。
08:43
This next song is called "Bad Habits,"
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下一首歌叫《坏习惯》，
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and it's about being
an even better version of yourself.
an even better version of yourself.
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它关于如何成为更好的自己。
08:49
(Percussion and beatboxing)
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（打击乐声与口技）
09:18
(Singing) I had run out of time,
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（歌唱）我没时间了，
09:21
I had done lost my mind,
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我感觉要崩溃了，
09:23
I had run out of time,
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我没时间了，
09:26
I had done lost my mind.
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我感觉要崩溃了。
09:28
I didn't know
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我不知道
09:32
why.
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为什么。
09:34
I didn't know.
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我不知道。
09:37
I been so pressed that I don't even know
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我被压抑许久，甚至不知道
09:41
what's bothering me.
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是什么困扰着我。
09:42
All my bad habits have go to, got to go
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走
09:45
entirely.
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全部。
09:48
It's my year to be free
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今年我应当自由
09:50
from what's bothering me.
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不再被困扰。
09:53
It's this society
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这个社会
09:55
that's killing me.
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在令人厌烦。
09:57
All my bad habits have got to, go to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
10:01
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
10:06
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
10:09
Yeah.
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没错。
10:11
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
10:15
Turn with me.
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与我一起摇摆。
10:16
(Beatboxing)
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（口技）
10:32
Ready?
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准备好了吗?
10:34
Clap with me.
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同我一起鼓掌。
10:37
(Audience claps)
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（观众掌声）
10:44
Now listen.
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现在听好。
10:45
(Singing) Fela Kuti in the 1970s
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（歌声）1970年的菲拉库蒂
10:48
inspires me.
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启发了我。
10:50
All he wanted was his people to be free
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他只是想让他的人民获得自由
10:53
from the colony,
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从殖民者手中，
10:55
like Mahatma Gandhi in the 1940s.
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像1940年的穆哈穆德·甘地。
10:59
I've been reading about women's history
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我在阅读1920年女性的
11:03
in the 1920s,
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历史，
11:04
thinking about how I could be
so much better.
so much better.
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想着我要怎样才能变得更好。
11:09
Thinking about all the tears I've cried.
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想着我留下的所有眼泪。
11:14
Thinking about how we could
be so much better.
be so much better.
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想着我们怎样可以变得更好。
11:19
Thinking about all the tears we've cried.
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想着我们留下的所有眼泪。
11:22
(Percussion)
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（打击乐声）
11:45
Yes.
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没错。
11:52
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
11:57
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:02
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:07
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:12
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:16
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:21
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:26
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我的坏习惯都得走，都得走，都得走。
12:31
(Music ends)
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（音乐停止）
12:33
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声与喝彩）
12:37
Thank you.
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谢谢你们。
12:38
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声与喝彩）
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Madame Gandhi - Musician, activistMadame Gandhi’s mission is to elevate and celebrate the female voice.
Why you should listen
Kiran Gandhi, who performs as Madame Gandhi, is a Los Angeles-based musician, activist and music industry thinker, listed on Forbes 30 Under 30 music class of 2019. She has toured professionally, drumming for M.I.A and Thievery Corporation, and currently DJs, drums and produces music under her own name. Her song "The Future is Female" climbed to number 8 on the Viral US Top 50 Spotify Charts following the 2017 Women's March, and her solo EP Voices has received critical acclaim from outlets like FADER, Paper Mag and Milk.
Gandhi holds a Bachelor's Degree in mathematics, political science and women's studies from Georgetown and an MBA from Harvard Business School. Between 2011-2013, Gandhi worked at Interscope Records as their first ever digital analyst, studying patterns in Spotify and YouTube consumption behavior. In 2015, she ran the London Marathon free-bleeding to combat period stigma around the world, sparking a global viral conversation about how we treat menstruation in various cultures. She now travels often to perform and speak about modern gender equality, and she's also working on her full-length album.
Madame Gandhi | Speaker | TED.com
Amber Galloway-Gallego - Sign language interpreter
Amber Galloway-Gallego is a world-renowned ASL interpreter specializing in music.
Why you should listen
Amber Galloway-Gallego has more than 18 years of sign language interpreting experience and has a master's in ASL/English interpreting. Her certifications are National Certification RID CT&CI, NIC, Texas BEI Level V, Oral Certified: Comprehensive. She has been featured in Rolling Stone, Oprah and Out magazines. Vibe Magazine referred to her the as the most recognized sign language interpreter and "The Jay Z of Hip-Hop Sign Language." On television, she has been featured in "Totally Biased with W. Kamau Bell," "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and recently she was featured on "The Steve Harvey Show." Galloway-Gallego uses her status to fight for access and equality in the Deaf community.
Frequently praised for her ability to passionately convey the connection between lyrics and sounds, Galloway-Gallego's music interpretations demonstrate the emotional bonds which have driven music lovers to concerts for years. Her interpretations bring the music to life in a way that's not often seen in music interpreting. Deaf audience members have often said they are able to connect to music performance more than they ever had in the past. Her interpretations delighted and inspired hearing music aficionados to learn sign language. Galloway-Gallego has always loved music and the Deaf community, but it was not until she saw the San Antonio Deaf Dance Company and the Wild Zappers perform that she realized that she could hone her interpreting skills to bridge the access gap in the music industry.
Amber Galloway-Gallego | Speaker | TED.com