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Madame Gandhi and Amber Galloway-Gallego: "Top Knot Turn Up" / "Bad Habits"
甘地夫人與安伯·加洛威-格萊戈: 〈丸子頭 向上〉/〈壞習慣〉
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「音樂不僅僅是通過耳朵的聲音而已。」手語翻譯員安伯·加洛威-格萊戈說到。
在一場生氣蓬勃的表演上，音樂人暨社會運動參與者甘地夫人，表演了〈丸子頭 向上〉與〈壞習慣〉兩首曲目，同時加洛威·格萊戈提供了表情豐富的手語翻譯。
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安伯·加洛威-格萊戈：嗨！
00:12
Amber Galloway-Gallego: OK, hi.
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I'm a sign-language interpreter
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我是一位手語翻譯員，
00:16
that specializes in music interpreting.
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專攻音樂翻譯。
00:19
And you're probably wondering
why Deaf people would attend concerts,
why Deaf people would attend concerts,
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你們可能會納悶，
為什麼聽障人士會去參加演唱會，
00:23
but actually, music
is so much more than sound
is so much more than sound
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但其實音樂不僅僅是
通過耳朵的聲音而已。
通過耳朵的聲音而已。
00:27
simply traveling through the ear.
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See, Deaf people experience music,
just in a different way.
just in a different way.
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聽障人士只是以不同的
方式體驗著音樂。
方式體驗著音樂。
00:34
For example, my friend Lisa,
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比如，我的朋友麗莎，
00:37
she cuts her hair a certain length,
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她會把頭髮剪短到某個長度，
00:39
so she feels the vibrations
of sound in the music.
of sound in the music.
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如此她便能感受到
音樂中的聲響震動。
音樂中的聲響震動。
此外，音樂對我們有心理層面的影響。
00:44
And music has psychological effects on us.
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00:47
It invokes feelings of nostalgia,
happiness, sadness,
happiness, sadness,
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它會撩起許多感覺，
像是：懷舊、快樂、悲傷，
像是：懷舊、快樂、悲傷，
00:54
falling in love.
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或是墜入愛河。
00:55
It makes you have a feeling
of connectedness,
of connectedness,
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它會引起我們的共鳴，
00:58
and unfortunately,
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不幸的是，
01:00
Deaf and hard-of-hearing people
are excluded from these events,
are excluded from these events,
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聽障人士卻被排除在這些活動之外，
01:03
because obtaining a sign-language
interpreter is so difficult
interpreter is so difficult
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因為找手語翻譯員實在太難了，
01:07
and so overwhelming
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太讓人無法招架，
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that they simply don't buy
the tickets or they just give up,
the tickets or they just give up,
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所以他們就不會去買票，
或是乾脆放棄了，
或是乾脆放棄了，
01:13
and this is not OK.
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這樣並不好。
01:14
We have to make everything accessible.
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我們要讓事情變得容易。
01:18
So, myself, I am
a sign-language interpreter,
a sign-language interpreter,
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既然我自己是位手語翻譯員，
01:22
so what I have to do is I have
to take music and bring it to life.
to take music and bring it to life.
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我要做的是把音樂帶進生活。
01:28
In doing that, I become a bridge
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藉此，我成為一座橋樑――
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between the hearing world
and the Deaf world,
and the Deaf world,
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連結聽覺世界和聽障世界，
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making sure that I'm representing music
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確保我能表達出音樂，
01:36
and the artistry of what music represents.
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以及音樂所呈現出的藝術性。
01:39
Now, this is a lot of work, OK?
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這很費功夫，好嗎？
01:41
For a regular set that might be 12 songs,
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平常一段表演可能會有十二首歌曲，
01:45
myself and a team,
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我的團隊和我一起，
01:46
we have to study over 30 songs
or more for one set
or more for one set
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為了一段表演，
就得要研究超過三十首歌曲，
就得要研究超過三十首歌曲，
01:50
and hope and pray
we have the right setlist.
we have the right setlist.
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還要不斷祈禱我們拿到正確的歌單。
01:53
But you know what?
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但你們知道嗎？
01:55
You know what the reward is?
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你們知道回報是什麼嗎？
01:56
Looking down in the audience
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看著台下的觀眾，
01:57
and seeing Deaf
and hard-of-hearing members,
and hard-of-hearing members,
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看見其中的聽障朋友，
02:00
all of those people dancing
and jamming out
and jamming out
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他們都在手足舞蹈地享受著，
02:03
and feeling included
in that music experience.
in that music experience.
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感覺自己融入了那樣的音樂體驗中。
02:09
For myself, I'm a part of this cultural
and linguistic community,
and linguistic community,
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對我來說，我是文化
及語言界的一份子，
及語言界的一份子，
02:14
and we all communicate in different ways.
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而我們都用不同的方式在溝通。
02:16
Some of us sign and voice,
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我們有些人用手語和聲音，
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some of us just sign,
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有些人只用手語，
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but no one way is superior to the other.
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但沒有哪一種方式比較優越。
02:23
But you know what?
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但你們知道嗎？
02:24
Those with hearing loss face
daily battles to communication access,
daily battles to communication access,
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喪失聽力的人每天
都要面對溝通上的挑戰，
都要面對溝通上的挑戰，
02:30
and those barriers
are put up daily for them.
are put up daily for them.
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而且每天都會遇到障礙。
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And music shouldn't be one of them.
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音樂不應該是其中之一。
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So along with Madame Gandhi
and myself today,
and myself today,
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所以今天甘地夫人和我一起，
02:39
let's break down those barriers.
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讓我們把那些障礙給打破吧！
02:42
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌聲與歡呼聲）
02:45
(Music: "Top Knot Turn Up")
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（音樂：〈丸子頭向上〉）
[ 甘地夫人 ]
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(Percussion)
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（打擊樂聲）
02:52
Madame Gandhi: This is a song
about getting the work done.
about getting the work done.
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甘地夫人：這首歌是關於
把工作搞定。
把工作搞定。
最有趣的事情莫過於扎個丸子頭髮。
02:55
Hair up in a bun that's the most fun.
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在跑步的時候聆聽自己的想法，
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Hearing myself think when I go for a run
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或許練鼓的時候沉浸在鼓架，
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or maybe I'm practicing the drums
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或許在暖日下寫作創意揮灑，
03:00
or maybe I'm writing in the sun,
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重點是，我沒有跟任何人說話。
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the takeaway point
is I'm talking to no one.
is I'm talking to no one.
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享受著身邊的氛圍融洽，
03:04
Protecting my vibes that are wholesome,
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盡我最大的努力
去解決真正的問題。
去解決真正的問題。
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trying my best to solve actual problems.
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如果你想跟我混在一起，
03:08
If you want to hang with me
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03:10
then you have to roll up
your sleeves and work with me.
your sleeves and work with me.
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那麼你得捲起袖子
和我一起努力。
和我一起努力。
現在不是跟我調情的時機；
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This ain't no time to come flirt with me;
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你看那摧毀地球的油管和鑽機。
03:17
pipelines and drills
are destroying the earth, you see.
are destroying the earth, you see.
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我無法忍受
對女性的偏見永不休止。
對女性的偏見永不休止。
03:20
I cannot stand all the constant misogyny.
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把我的頭髮綁起，
就沒什麼能把我阻止。
就沒什麼能把我阻止。
03:22
Tie my hair back so there
ain't nothing stopping me.
ain't nothing stopping me.
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丸子頭向上，
這是丸子頭向上。
這是丸子頭向上。
03:24
Top knot turn up. It's a top knot turn up.
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Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up --
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丸子頭向上，向上，向上。
03:28
about getting the work done.
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關於把工作搞定。
03:30
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up.
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丸子頭向上，向上，向上。
03:32
It's a top knot turn up.
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這是個丸子頭向上。
03:34
Top knot turn up, eh.
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丸子頭向上，欸。
03:35
(Percussion)
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（打擊樂聲）
03:53
Tie up and tie up your hair
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把你的頭髮向上綁呀綁起來，
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and throw back those curls.
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把捲髮撥到後面來。
03:56
So tie up and tie up and tie up your hair
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綁呀、綁呀、綁起你的頭髮來。
03:58
and throw back those curls, uh ...
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把捲髮撥到後面來。
04:00
Throw back those curls,
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把捲髮撥到後面來。
04:01
throw back and throw back
and throw back those curls, uh ...
and throw back those curls, uh ...
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把捲髮撥呀、撥呀、撥到後面來。
（節奏口技聲）
04:04
(Beatboxing)
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04:06
(Percussion and beatboxing)
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（打擊樂聲和節奏口技聲）
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I turned off my phone's notifications,
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我關閉手機的通知，
04:23
so I have more time.
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有更多時間和精力，
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No bubbles to trouble
my clear state of mind.
my clear state of mind.
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訊息不再擾人清淨。
04:28
One thing to know, I'm not here to please.
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該知道的一件事情：
我不是來逗你開心。
我不是來逗你開心。
04:30
Hair tied back, I do it properly.
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頭髮向後綁起，
我做好自己。
我做好自己。
我的時間不屬於你，
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My time is not your property
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我和我的卵巢一樣富有生產力。
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when I'm productive like my ovaries.
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欸，給已經長大的女孩子
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Eh, give a grown girl room to breathe,
basic rights and her liberty.
basic rights and her liberty.
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能夠呼吸新鮮的空氣、
享受自由和基本的權利。
享受自由和基本的權利。
04:40
Free from insecurity
that the world's projecting onto me.
that the world's projecting onto me.
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從世界投射給我的
不安全感中解放自己。
不安全感中解放自己。
04:43
Please do not trouble me
when I am focused.
when I am focused.
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當我專心時，請不要煩擾我。
你已經知道，未來屬於女性。
04:45
The future is female,
you already know this.
you already know this.
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在我對抗美國最高法院的腐敗時，
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I'm fighting against
the corruption on SCOTUS,
the corruption on SCOTUS,
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從我剛開始寫這首歌，
便綁起我的丸子。
便綁起我的丸子。
04:50
upping my top knot
since when I first wrote this.
since when I first wrote this.
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欸～
04:52
Eh ...
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04:53
It's a top knot turn up.
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這是個丸子頭向上，
04:55
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up --
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丸子頭向上，向上，向上，
關於把工作搞定。
04:57
about getting the work done.
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04:58
Top knot turn up, turn up, turn up.
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丸子頭向上，向上，向上。
05:01
It's a top knot turn up.
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這是個丸子頭向上。
05:02
Top knot turn up, ay.
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丸子頭向上，誒。
05:04
(Percussion)
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（打擊樂聲）
綁呀綁呀綁起你的頭髮來，
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Tie up and tie up and tie up your hair,
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05:23
throw back those curls.
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把捲髮撥到後面來。
05:24
Tie up and tie up your hair,
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綁呀綁呀綁起你的頭髮來，
05:27
throw back those curls, uh ...
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把捲髮撥到後面來。
05:28
Throw back those curls,
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把捲髮撥到後面來。
05:30
throw back and throw back
and throw back those curls.
and throw back those curls.
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把捲髮撥呀、撥呀、撥到後面來。
05:32
(Beatboxing)
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（節奏口技聲）
05:36
Amber G.
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AmberG （安伯·加洛威-格萊戈）
05:38
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌聲與歡呼聲）
05:41
Top knot turn up.
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丸子頭向上。
05:42
(Music and applause)
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（音樂與掌聲）
05:46
Madame Gandhi.
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甘地夫人。
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(Music)
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（音樂）
05:49
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌聲與歡呼聲）
05:51
(Music ends)
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（音樂結束）
（掌聲與歡呼聲）
05:52
(Applause and cheers)
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05:59
Amber, it's such a pleasure
to share this stage with you,
to share this stage with you,
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安伯，能和妳一起在舞台上表演
是多麼的愉快。
是多麼的愉快。
06:02
and to make my music accessible
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讓我的音樂能夠分享給
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to an audience who might be
hard of hearing or Deaf
hard of hearing or Deaf
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可能有聽力障礙的觀眾。
06:08
and otherwise might not be able
to be included in my music.
to be included in my music.
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否則他們可能無法
融入在我的音樂之中。
融入在我的音樂之中。
06:13
And it really wasn't
until this collaboration
until this collaboration
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直到這次合作，我才發現，
06:16
that I had thought of the fact
that though I work so much
that though I work so much
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不管我以前如何努力地
增加音樂的多樣性和包容性，
增加音樂的多樣性和包容性，
06:19
in diversity and inclusion,
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06:20
that my music may not be reaching
as many people as it could be.
as many people as it could be.
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我的音樂受眾還是有局限性。
我在紐約長大和打鼓，
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I grew up in New York City,
playing the drums,
playing the drums,
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06:28
listening to Nas, Lauryn Hill,
Thievery Corporation,
Thievery Corporation,
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聽納斯、勞倫·希爾、竊盜集團、
06:31
TV on the Radio,
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電視電台樂團、
06:32
the Spice Girls --
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辣妹合唱團。
06:35
And for me, music was truth.
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對那時候的我，音樂就是真理。
06:36
Music was my perspective
into somebody else's point of view,
into somebody else's point of view,
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我透過音樂看見別人的觀點、
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into storytelling,
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透過音樂說故事、
06:41
into understanding how the world works.
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透過音樂了解世界是如何運作的。
06:44
And yet at the same time,
I felt like there was such a disconnect
I felt like there was such a disconnect
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但同時，我感覺有很大的斷層，
06:48
between the way that I understood
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我理解的性別認知可以很多維，
06:49
my own very multidimensional
sense of my gender identity
sense of my gender identity
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06:53
and the very two-dimensional way
that women and femmes
that women and femmes
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然而媒體常常描繪的
女性形象卻非常二維。
女性形象卻非常二維。
06:55
were often portrayed in the media.
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06:57
(Sighs)
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（嘆息聲）
06:59
As I moved through my life,
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當我逐漸地長大成人，
07:01
I went on to study mathematics
and women's studies at Georgetown.
and women's studies at Georgetown.
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我在喬治城大學
主修數學和婦女研究。
主修數學和婦女研究。
07:04
I was the first-ever data analyst
at Interscope Records.
at Interscope Records.
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我是新視鏡唱片公司的
第一位數據分析師。
第一位數據分析師。
我為 M.I.A. 打鼓的同時
環遊了世界。
環遊了世界。
07:08
I toured the world
playing the drums for M.I.A.
playing the drums for M.I.A.
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07:10
And I did my MBA at Harvard,
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我在哈佛拿到我的 MBA 學位。
07:12
all with the intention of being able
to make a difference in the music industry
to make a difference in the music industry
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一切的一切都是為了
能夠在音樂領域上創造不同，
能夠在音樂領域上創造不同，
07:16
and move the needle on gender equality
from the business side.
from the business side.
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並在商業層面上
更注重性別平等。
更注重性別平等。
07:21
But it was only until three years ago,
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但直到三年之前，
07:23
when I ran the London Marathon
bleeding freely on my cycle
bleeding freely on my cycle
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我在跑倫敦馬拉松時
任生理週期的經血流下，
任生理週期的經血流下，
07:27
to combat the global menstrual stigma
that women face every day
that women face every day
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我要挑戰全球對生理週期的惡名，
那是世界各地的女人
每天都在面對的。
每天都在面對的。
07:30
all around the world,
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that I realized that I have a message,
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那時候我發現，
我要傳達一個訊息，
我要傳達一個訊息，
07:34
and that the most effective way
that I can convey my message
that I can convey my message
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而我傳遞訊息最有效的方式：
就是透過我的音樂。
07:37
was through my music.
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07:39
And why music?
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為什麼是透過音樂呢？
07:41
Because music caters to the emotions.
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因為音樂滿足情感的需求，
07:42
Music is joyful.
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音樂令人愉悅。
07:44
Music pulls you in with the beat
and the rhythm and the melodies.
and the rhythm and the melodies.
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音樂透過節拍旋律吸引著你。
音樂透過社區氛圍感染著你。
07:47
The music pulls you in
via the community aspect of it.
via the community aspect of it.
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07:50
And music allows you to access
somebody else's truth.
somebody else's truth.
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音樂讓你一窺他人眼中的真理。
07:54
In the music I listen to today,
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現今我所聽的音樂中，
07:55
sometimes I'm like, wow,
I love the rhythm so much,
I love the rhythm so much,
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有時候我覺得，哇～
我好愛這個旋律，
我好愛這個旋律，
但歌詞卻對女性充滿了偏見，
07:57
but the message is so misogynist,
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07:59
it's tough to work out to our run to
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我很難邊聽這些音樂
邊健身、邊跑步，
邊健身、邊跑步，
08:01
or do whatever it is
that I'm trying to do.
that I'm trying to do.
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或是繼續做其他在做的事情。
08:03
I oftentimes say, "I'm not here
trying to turn up to the sound
trying to turn up to the sound
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我常說：「我來這裡，
不是為了放大那些
不是為了放大那些
壓迫我的聲音。」
08:06
of my own oppression."
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08:07
You feel me?
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你知道我的意思嗎？
08:08
(Laughter and cheers)
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（笑聲與喝采聲）
08:11
So I'm here to build
the alternative instead.
the alternative instead.
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我為了打造另一種可能而來。
08:14
In my work, I talk often about
the notion that the future is female.
the notion that the future is female.
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在我的工作中我常常談到
一個概念：未來屬於女性。
一個概念：未來屬於女性。
08:17
That we can actually look
to the femme archetype
to the femme archetype
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我們其實可以探索女性的典型
08:20
and derive alternative
styles of leadership
styles of leadership
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並從中尋求不同的領導風範。
08:22
that might encourage,
instead, collaboration,
instead, collaboration,
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一種可以鼓勵合作、
08:24
emotional intelligence
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提高情商的方式，
08:26
and building a world
that is linked and not ranked.
that is linked and not ranked.
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並打造一個相互連結，
而非階級化的世界。
而非階級化的世界。
08:29
And so for anyone watching or listening
and experiencing this talk today,
and experiencing this talk today,
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正在觀看、聆聽
或是體驗這個演說的人，
或是體驗這個演說的人，
08:33
I encourage you to consider
the blind spots in your work
the blind spots in your work
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我鼓勵你，
思考你工作中的盲點，
思考你工作中的盲點，
08:36
and what partnerships
or collaborations you can do
or collaborations you can do
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思考自己能夠成為
怎麼樣的合作夥伴，
怎麼樣的合作夥伴，
08:39
to be able to make your work
have even greater of an impact.
have even greater of an impact.
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才能讓你在工作中
帶來更大的影響力。
帶來更大的影響力。
08:43
This next song is called "Bad Habits,"
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接下來這首歌叫做〈壞習慣〉，
這首歌是關於成為更好的自己。
08:45
and it's about being
an even better version of yourself.
an even better version of yourself.
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（打擊樂聲與節奏口技聲）
08:49
(Percussion and beatboxing)
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09:18
(Singing) I had run out of time,
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（唱）我沒有時間了，
09:21
I had done lost my mind,
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我不想再瘋了，
09:23
I had run out of time,
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我沒有時間了，
09:26
I had done lost my mind.
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我不想再瘋了，
09:28
I didn't know
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我不知道
09:32
why.
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為什麼。
09:34
I didn't know.
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我不知道。
09:37
I been so pressed that I don't even know
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我是如此地壓抑，我卻不知道
09:41
what's bothering me.
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是什麼造成我的煩擾。
09:42
All my bad habits have go to, got to go
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了，
09:45
entirely.
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徹底地。
09:48
It's my year to be free
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這一年我要解放自己――
09:50
from what's bothering me.
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從那些煩擾著我的事情。
09:53
It's this society
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在這個社會裡
09:55
that's killing me.
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我正一點一滴失去自己。
09:57
All my bad habits have got to, go to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
10:01
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
10:06
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
10:09
Yeah.
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耶。
10:11
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
10:15
Turn with me.
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跟我一起轉身。
10:16
(Beatboxing)
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（節奏口技聲）
10:32
Ready?
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準備好了嗎？
10:34
Clap with me.
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跟著我拍手。
10:37
(Audience claps)
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（觀眾的拍手聲）
10:44
Now listen.
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聽我唱。
10:45
(Singing) Fela Kuti in the 1970s
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（唱）1970 年代的費拉·庫蒂
10:48
inspires me.
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給了我激勵。
10:50
All he wanted was his people to be free
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他只希望他的人民
從殖民地中解放自己，
10:53
from the colony,
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10:55
like Mahatma Gandhi in the 1940s.
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就像 1940 年代的聖雄甘地。
10:59
I've been reading about women's history
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我閱讀了許多關於
1920 年代的婦女歷史，
1920 年代的婦女歷史，
11:03
in the 1920s,
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11:04
thinking about how I could be
so much better.
so much better.
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想想我可以如何變得更好。
11:09
Thinking about all the tears I've cried.
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想想那些我流過的眼淚。
11:14
Thinking about how we could
be so much better.
be so much better.
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想想我們可以如何變得更好。
11:19
Thinking about all the tears we've cried.
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想想那些我們流過的眼淚。
11:22
(Percussion)
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（打擊樂聲）
11:45
Yes.
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耶～
11:52
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
11:57
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:02
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:07
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:12
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:16
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:21
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:26
All my bad habits have got to, got to go.
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我全部的壞習慣該改了，該改了。
12:31
(Music ends)
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（音樂結束）
12:33
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌聲與歡呼聲）
12:37
Thank you.
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謝謝大家。
12:38
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌聲與歡呼聲）
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Madame Gandhi - Musician, activistMadame Gandhi’s mission is to elevate and celebrate the female voice.
Why you should listen
Kiran Gandhi, who performs as Madame Gandhi, is a Los Angeles-based musician, activist and music industry thinker, listed on Forbes 30 Under 30 music class of 2019. She has toured professionally, drumming for M.I.A and Thievery Corporation, and currently DJs, drums and produces music under her own name. Her song "The Future is Female" climbed to number 8 on the Viral US Top 50 Spotify Charts following the 2017 Women's March, and her solo EP Voices has received critical acclaim from outlets like FADER, Paper Mag and Milk.
Gandhi holds a Bachelor's Degree in mathematics, political science and women's studies from Georgetown and an MBA from Harvard Business School. Between 2011-2013, Gandhi worked at Interscope Records as their first ever digital analyst, studying patterns in Spotify and YouTube consumption behavior. In 2015, she ran the London Marathon free-bleeding to combat period stigma around the world, sparking a global viral conversation about how we treat menstruation in various cultures. She now travels often to perform and speak about modern gender equality, and she's also working on her full-length album.
Madame Gandhi | Speaker | TED.com
Amber Galloway-Gallego - Sign language interpreter
Amber Galloway-Gallego is a world-renowned ASL interpreter specializing in music.
Why you should listen
Amber Galloway-Gallego has more than 18 years of sign language interpreting experience and has a master's in ASL/English interpreting. Her certifications are National Certification RID CT&CI, NIC, Texas BEI Level V, Oral Certified: Comprehensive. She has been featured in Rolling Stone, Oprah and Out magazines. Vibe Magazine referred to her the as the most recognized sign language interpreter and "The Jay Z of Hip-Hop Sign Language." On television, she has been featured in "Totally Biased with W. Kamau Bell," "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and recently she was featured on "The Steve Harvey Show." Galloway-Gallego uses her status to fight for access and equality in the Deaf community.
Frequently praised for her ability to passionately convey the connection between lyrics and sounds, Galloway-Gallego's music interpretations demonstrate the emotional bonds which have driven music lovers to concerts for years. Her interpretations bring the music to life in a way that's not often seen in music interpreting. Deaf audience members have often said they are able to connect to music performance more than they ever had in the past. Her interpretations delighted and inspired hearing music aficionados to learn sign language. Galloway-Gallego has always loved music and the Deaf community, but it was not until she saw the San Antonio Deaf Dance Company and the Wild Zappers perform that she realized that she could hone her interpreting skills to bridge the access gap in the music industry.
Amber Galloway-Gallego | Speaker | TED.com