ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dread Scott - Visual artist
Dread Scott makes revolutionary art to propel history forward.

Why you should listen

Dread Scott's work is exhibited across the US and internationally. In 1989, his art became the center of national controversy over its transgressive use of the American flag, while he was a student at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. President G.H.W. Bush called his art "disgraceful," and the entire US Senate denounced and outlawed this work. Scott became part of a landmark Supreme Court case when he and others defied the new law by burning flags on the steps of the US Capitol. His studio is now based in Brooklyn. 

Scott's work has been included in exhibitions at New York's MoMA PS1, the Walker Art Center, Minneapolis and Gallery MOMO in Cape Town, South Africa. His performance work has been presented at BAM in Brooklyn and on the streets of Harlem, NY. His work is in the collection of the Whitney Museum of American Art and the Brooklyn Museum, and it has been featured on the cover of Artforum magazine and the front page of NYTimes.com. Scott is a recipient of a 2018 United States Artists Fellowship and grants from the Creative Capital Foundation and the Open Society Institute. He works in a range of media, from performance and photography to screen-printing and video.   

Scott plays with fire -- metaphorically and sometimes literally -- as when he burned $171 on Wall Street and encouraged those with money to add theirs to the pyre. His work asks viewers to look soberly at America's past and our present. Writing about a recent banner project, Angelica Rogers wrote in the New York Times: "...it was difficult to look away from the flag's blocky, capitalized type. 'A Man Was Lynched by Police Yesterday.' It shouted the words so matter-of-factly that I felt myself physically flinch."

Scott is currently working on Slave Rebellion Reenactment, a community engaged performance that will reenact the largest rebellion of enslaved people in American History.

More profile about the speaker
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Dread Scott: How art can shape America's conversation about freedom

德萊得史考特: 藝術能如何形塑美國關於自由的對談

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在這場簡短的演說中,視覺藝術家德萊得史考特談到他最逾越的藝術作品之一。該作品吸引了全國的注意,因為在這件作品中,使用美國國旗的方式十分引人爭議,導致了美國最高法院第一修正案,立下一個里程碑。
- Visual artist
Dread Scott makes revolutionary art to propel history forward. Full bio

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I am a visual視覺 artist藝術家,
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我是一位視覺藝術家,
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and I make revolutionary革命的 art藝術
to propel推進 history歷史 forward前鋒.
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我創作革命性的藝術,
來將歷史向前推進。
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I'm going to come right out
and tell you something:
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我要告訴各位一件事:
我不接受經濟基礎、
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I don't accept接受 the economic經濟 foundation基礎,
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社會關係,
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the social社會 relations關係
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或是美國的治理想法。
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or the governing治理 ideas思路 of America美國.
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My art藝術 contributes有助於 to fundamental基本的 change更改
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我的藝術促進根本改變的方式
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by encouraging鼓舞人心的 an audience聽眾 to address地址
big questions問題 from that perspective透視.
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是鼓勵觀眾從那角度
來處理重大問題。
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Social社會 change更改 is hard,
but ideas思路 matter tremendously異常.
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社會改變很困難,
但想法是非常重要的。
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When I say I'm an artist藝術家,
most people think, "Oh, he's a painter畫家."
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當我說我是藝術家時,大部分人
會想:「喔,他是個畫家。」
各位可以看見,我身後的
就是我的作品之一。
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Behind背後 me, you can see
some of the kind of work I do.
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"Imagine想像 a World世界
Without沒有 America美國" is a painting繪畫,
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「想像沒有美國的世界」是一幅畫,
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but I work in a range範圍 of media媒體,
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但我也會用許多種媒材,
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including包含 photography攝影,
video視頻 and performance性能 art藝術.
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包括攝影、影片,以及表演藝術。
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A current當前 project項目,
"Slave奴隸 Rebellion暴動 Reenactment重演,"
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目前在做的一個計畫是
「重演奴隸反叛」,
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is going to be reenacted重演
on the outskirts郊區 of New Orleans奧爾良
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將會在紐奧良郊區重新上演,
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this November十一月.
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時間是今年十一月。
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In 1989, I had an artwork藝術品 that became成為
the center中央 of controversy爭議
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1989 年,我有一件藝術作品
成了爭議的焦點,
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over its transgressive海侵 use
of the American美國 flag.
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因為我在作品中對
美國國旗的使用太逾越。
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"What is the Proper正確 Way
to Display顯示 a US Flag?"
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「什麼是展示美國國旗的妥當方式?」
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is a conceptual概念上的 work that encouraged鼓勵
audience聽眾 participation參與.
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是一件概念性的作品,
旨在鼓勵觀眾參與。
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It consisted of a photo照片 montage剪輯
that had text文本 that read,
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它包含了照片拼貼,
上面的文字寫著:
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"What is the Proper正確 Way
to Display顯示 a US Flag?"
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「什麼是展示美國國旗的妥當方式?」
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Below下面 that were books圖書 that people
could write responses回复 to that question in,
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下面的本子供大家針對這問題留言,
再下面是一面國旗,
大家可以選擇要不要站在上面。
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and below下面 that was a flag
that people had the option選項 of standing常設 on.
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照片拼貼的部分採用的圖片
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The photo照片 montage剪輯 consisted
of images圖片 of South Korean朝鮮的 students學生們
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是南韓學生焚燒美國國旗,
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burning燃燒 American美國 flags,
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holding保持 signs跡象 that said,
"Yankee揚基 go home. Son兒子 of a bitch婊子,"
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舉著字牌,上面寫:
「老美滾回家。狗娘養的。」
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and below下面 that were flag-draped旗幟垂墜 coffins棺材
coming未來 back from Vietnam越南.
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下面則是覆蓋著國旗的棺材,
從越南送回來的。
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People wrote long and short answers答案.
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大家的留言有長有短。
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Thousands成千上萬 of people engaged訂婚 with the work
in a lot of different不同 languages語言.
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有數千人參與這項作品,
使用的語言非常多種。
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Some of the people said,
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有些人說:
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"I'm a German德語 girl女孩.
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「我是位德國女孩。
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If we Germans德國 would admire欣賞
our flag as you all do,
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如果我們德國人
像你們這麼愛慕國旗,
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we would be called Nazis納粹 again.
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我們就會再次被稱為納粹。
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I think you do have too much
trouble麻煩 about this flag."
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我認為你們確實有太多
國旗的麻煩。」
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"I think that the artist藝術家
should be returned to his heritage遺產,
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「我認為這位藝術家應該
被送回他的所屬的地方,
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i.e., the jungles叢林 of Africa非洲,
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也就是:非洲叢林,
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and then he can shovel manure肥料
in his artistic藝術的 way."
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然後他就可以用他的
藝術方式來鏟糞肥。」
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"This flag I'm standing常設 on stands站立 for
everything oppressive壓抑 in this system系統:
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「我現在腳下的國旗代表的是
這個體制中所有的壓迫:
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the murder謀殺 of the Indians印度人
and all the oppressed壓迫 around the world世界,
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謀殺印第安人以及全世界
所有被迫害的人,
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including包含 my brother哥哥
who was shot射擊 by a pig,
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包括我兄弟,他被警察射殺,
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who kicked over his body身體
to 'make' 使 sure the nigger黑 鬼 was dead.'
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那警察還把他的屍體踢翻過來,
確保這黑鬼真的死了。
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That pig was wearing穿著 the flag.
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那警察就穿戴著國旗。
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Thank you, Dread恐懼 Scott斯科特,
for this opportunity機會."
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謝謝你提供這個機會,
德萊得史考特。」
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"As a veteran老將 defending衛冕 the flag,
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「身為捍衛國旗的退伍軍人,
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I personally親自 would never
defend保衛 your stupid ass屁股!
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我個人絕對不會保衛你這蠢貨!
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You should be shot射擊!" -- US Navy海軍 Seal密封 Team球隊.
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你應該被射殺!」——
美國海豹突擊隊。
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As you can see, people had
very strong強大 reactions反應 about the flag then,
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如你們所見,當時,
大家對於國旗的感受
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as they do now.
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跟現在一樣強烈。
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There were demonstrations示威 of veterans老兵
in front面前 of the Art藝術 Institute研究所 of Chicago芝加哥.
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在芝加哥藝術博物館的前面
有退伍軍人示威抗議。
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They chanted高呼 things like,
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他們反覆喊著:
「把國旗和那位藝術家高高吊起。」
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"The flag and the artist藝術家,
hang them both high,"
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喚起私刑的畫面。
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evoking喚起 images圖片 of lynching私刑.
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I received收到 numerous眾多 death死亡 threats威脅,
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我收到不少死亡威脅和炸彈威脅,
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and bomb炸彈 threats威脅
were phoned打電話給 in to my school學校.
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直接打電話到我的學校。
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It was a very dangerous危險 situation情況.
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那時的情況很危險。
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Later後來, President主席 Bush襯套 called
the work "disgraceful可恥,"
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之後,布希總統說
那件作品「很丟臉」,
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which哪一個 I viewed觀看 as a tremendous巨大 honor榮譽,
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我把這說法視為是極大的榮譽,
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and Congress國會 outlawed取締 the work.
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而國會禁止了這件作品。
02:58
(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
02:59
I became成為 part部分 of a Supreme最高 Court法庭 case案件
when I and others其他 defied蔑視 that law,
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我成為最高法院案件的一部分,
我和其他人公然對抗那法律的方式
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by burning燃燒 flags
on the steps腳步 of the Capitol國會大廈.
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就是在國會大廈的樓梯上焚燒國旗。
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That action行動 and the subsequent隨後
legal法律 and political政治 battle戰鬥
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那行為以及後續的法律和政治交戰
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led to a landmark里程碑 First Amendment修訂 decision決定
that prevented防止 the government政府
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導致里程碑的憲法第一修正案決策,
防止政府強制大家要愛國。
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from demanding嚴格
patriotism愛國主義 be mandatory強制性.
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But let me back up a bit.
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但,讓我先倒帶一下。
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These people literally按照字面 wanted me dead.
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這些人是真的想要我的命。
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What I would do at this moment時刻
would make a difference區別.
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我在那時刻要做的事會造成不同。
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This is me at the exact精確 same相同 moment時刻,
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這是我,時間就是那個時刻,
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eight stories故事 above以上 that crowd人群.
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位在群眾上方八層樓的地方。
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It was supposed應該 to be for a photo照片 shoot射擊
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本來要拍照的地點
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that was going to take place地點 on the steps腳步
where the veterans老兵 were at that time.
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是當時退伍軍人所在的樓梯上,
我在那裡可能會不安全,
或甚至更糟。
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It wouldn't不會 have been safe安全
for me to be there, to say the least最小.
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但拍攝那張照片十分重要,
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But it was really important重要
to do that shoot射擊,
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因為,雖然有些人想要殺我,
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because while some wanted to kill me,
it was also a situation情況
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但在同一個情況中,
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where those who viewed觀看 the American美國 flag
as standing常設 for everything oppressive壓抑
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那些認為美國國旗代表體制壓迫的人
也感覺到能夠發聲,
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in this system系統
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felt that they had a voice語音,
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而那聲音必須要被放大。
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and that voice語音 needed需要 to be amplified放大.
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The point is this:
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重點是:
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changing改變 anything --
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改變任何事物——
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whether是否 it's conventional常規 ideas思路
about US national國民 symbols符號,
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不論是關於美國
國家象徵的常見想法、
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traditional傳統 thinking思維 challenged挑戰
by scientific科學 breakthroughs突破
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受到科學突破所挑戰的傳統思維,
04:00
or ousting下臺 an authoritarian獨裁的 president主席 --
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或是推翻獨裁的總統——
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requires要求 a lot of things.
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都會需要很多東西。
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It requires要求 courage勇氣,
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會需要勇氣、
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luck運氣
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運氣,
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and also vision視力 and boldness魄力 of action行動.
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還有遠見以及果敢行動。
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But on luck運氣 --
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但,關於運氣——
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I have to say, the photo照片 shoot射擊 we did
might威力 not have worked工作 out so well.
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我得要說,我們拍的照片
本來未必有那麼好的效果。
在離開那區域之後,我們大笑。
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We laughed笑了 after we were out of the area.
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But the thing is, it was worth價值 the risk風險
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但,重點是,這是值得冒險的,
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because of the stakes賭注 that were involved參與.
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因為它所牽涉的利害關係很重要。
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And in this case案件, the luck運氣
led to a wonderful精彩,
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在這個案例中,運氣帶來了很美好、
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profound深刻 and powerful強大 situation情況
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很深刻,且很強大的局面,
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that was also humorous幽默.
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同時也很幽默。
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Thank you.
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謝謝。
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(Applause掌聲)
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Translated by Lilian Chiu
Reviewed by Helen Chang

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dread Scott - Visual artist
Dread Scott makes revolutionary art to propel history forward.

Why you should listen

Dread Scott's work is exhibited across the US and internationally. In 1989, his art became the center of national controversy over its transgressive use of the American flag, while he was a student at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. President G.H.W. Bush called his art "disgraceful," and the entire US Senate denounced and outlawed this work. Scott became part of a landmark Supreme Court case when he and others defied the new law by burning flags on the steps of the US Capitol. His studio is now based in Brooklyn. 

Scott's work has been included in exhibitions at New York's MoMA PS1, the Walker Art Center, Minneapolis and Gallery MOMO in Cape Town, South Africa. His performance work has been presented at BAM in Brooklyn and on the streets of Harlem, NY. His work is in the collection of the Whitney Museum of American Art and the Brooklyn Museum, and it has been featured on the cover of Artforum magazine and the front page of NYTimes.com. Scott is a recipient of a 2018 United States Artists Fellowship and grants from the Creative Capital Foundation and the Open Society Institute. He works in a range of media, from performance and photography to screen-printing and video.   

Scott plays with fire -- metaphorically and sometimes literally -- as when he burned $171 on Wall Street and encouraged those with money to add theirs to the pyre. His work asks viewers to look soberly at America's past and our present. Writing about a recent banner project, Angelica Rogers wrote in the New York Times: "...it was difficult to look away from the flag's blocky, capitalized type. 'A Man Was Lynched by Police Yesterday.' It shouted the words so matter-of-factly that I felt myself physically flinch."

Scott is currently working on Slave Rebellion Reenactment, a community engaged performance that will reenact the largest rebellion of enslaved people in American History.

More profile about the speaker
Dread Scott | Speaker | TED.com

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