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Jude Kelly: Why women should tell the stories of humanity
朱迪·凯莉: 为什么女人应该讲述人类的故事
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数百年来（由于诸多原因）人们大声呼喊着：创造性天分基本上来自男性视角。戏剧导演朱迪·凯莉在这场激昂推理的演讲中指出，这种偏差会影响我们解读女性的非虚构故事和女性权利。她认为有一个更有益、更包容的方式来看待世界。她呼吁艺术家——女艺术家和男艺术家——通过绘画、勾勒、写作、拍摄来想象一个性别平等的社会。
Jude Kelly - Theater director, producer
Jude Kelly is artistic director of Southbank Centre, Britain’s largest cultural institution. Full bio
Jude Kelly is artistic director of Southbank Centre, Britain’s largest cultural institution. Full bio
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Why do we think
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为什么我们认为
男人讲的故事具有普遍重要性.
00:14
that stories by men are deemed
to be of universal importance,
to be of universal importance,
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而认为女人讲的故事
只是关于女人？
只是关于女人？
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and stories by women are thought
to be merely about women?
to be merely about women?
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My grandmother left school
when she was 12.
when she was 12.
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我的祖母12岁时辍学。
她生了14个孩子。
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She had 14 children.
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My mother left school when she was 15.
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我母亲15岁时辍学，
她是秘书。
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She was a secretary.
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我大学毕业，成为戏剧导演
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I graduated from university
to become a theater director,
to become a theater director,
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这进步完全归功于
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and that progress is entirely to do
with the fact that people I'll never meet
with the fact that people I'll never meet
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那些我从未谋面的人
为女人拥有人权而斗争着，
为女人拥有人权而斗争着，
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fought for women to have rights,
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为女人获得投票权，
教育权，取得进步而斗争着。
教育权，取得进步而斗争着。
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get the vote, get education,
have progress.
have progress.
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我决心做同样的事
很明显你们也是。
很明显你们也是。
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And I'm determined to do the same,
and obviously you are, too.
and obviously you are, too.
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为什么不呢？
00:52
Why not?
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（掌声）
00:53
(Applause)
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因此，我在七年前启动了
WOW（世界之女人）活动
WOW（世界之女人）活动
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So I started a festival called WOW,
Women of the World, seven years ago,
Women of the World, seven years ago,
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现在WOW遍布五大洲的
20个国家。
20个国家。
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and it's now in 20 countries
across five continents.
across five continents.
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其中一个国家是非洲的索马里兰。
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And one of those countries
is Somaliland in Africa.
is Somaliland in Africa.
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去年我去了那里，
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So I traveled there last year,
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那次旅行的乐趣之一
是去这些岩洞，
是去这些岩洞，
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and part of the joy I had in going there
was going to these caves.
was going to these caves.
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The Laas Geel caves.
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拉斯·吉尔岩洞。
这些岩洞里藏着一些
世界上最古老的岩洞壁画。
世界上最古老的岩洞壁画。
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Now, these caves contain some
of the oldest cave paintings in the world.
of the oldest cave paintings in the world.
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These paintings are thought to be
round about 9,000 to 11,000 years old.
round about 9,000 to 11,000 years old.
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这些壁画有大约
9000到11000年历史了。
9000到11000年历史了。
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Art:
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艺术：
是人类自从进化以来所做的一切。
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what humanity has done
ever since it evolved.
ever since it evolved.
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它是我们谈论自己的方式，
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It's how we speak about ourselves,
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我们理解自己身份的方式，
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how we understand our identity,
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我们看待周围环境的方式，
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how we look at our surroundings,
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我们因自己生命的意义
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who we find out about each other
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而彼此相互了解。
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because of the meaning of our lives.
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这就是艺术。
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That's what art is for.
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01:47
So look at this little picture.
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那么看看这个小小的图片。
我觉得是一个小女孩。
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I think it's a little girl.
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感觉她有点像我小时候。
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I thought it was a bit like me
when I was a little girl.
when I was a little girl.
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而且我想，嗯，是谁
画了这个开心、青春的人像？
画了这个开心、青春的人像？
01:55
And I thought, well, who painted
this joyful, youthful figure?
this joyful, youthful figure?
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我询问岩洞的管理人。
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And I asked the curator of the caves.
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我说：“给我说说画出这些壁画的
男人和女人们吧。”
男人和女人们吧。”
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I said, "Tell me about the men
and women who painted these."
and women who painted these."
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他斜眼看着我，然后说
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And he looked at me
absolutely askance, and he said,
absolutely askance, and he said,
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“这不是女人画的。”
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"Women didn't paint these pictures."
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我说：“好吧，
那是一万一千年前的事了，”
那是一万一千年前的事了，”
02:11
And I said, "Well,
it was 11,000 years ago."
it was 11,000 years ago."
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我说，“你是怎么知道的？”
02:13
I said, "How do you know?"
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02:15
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
他说：“女人不做这些事啊，
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And he said, "Women don't do these things.
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男人做这些标记，女人不做的。”
02:21
Men made these marks. Women don't."
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02:26
Now, I wasn't really surprised,
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我并不怎么惊讶，
因为这种态度是我
作为戏剧制作人
作为戏剧制作人
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because that's an attitude
that I've seen continuously
that I've seen continuously
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一辈子持续不断看到的态度。
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all my life as a theater maker.
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02:38
We are told that divine knowledge
comes down through the masculine,
comes down through the masculine,
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我们被告知，
神的启示通过男性传播
神的启示通过男性传播
可以传给阿訇、神父、拉比、圣人.
02:44
whether it be to the imam,
the priest, the rabbi, the holy man.
the priest, the rabbi, the holy man.
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同样，我们被告知
创造性的天分存在于阳刚之气，
创造性的天分存在于阳刚之气，
02:49
Similarly, we're told that creative genius
resides in the masculine,
resides in the masculine,
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男人
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that it is the masculine
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才能够告诉我们，
我们到底是谁，
我们到底是谁，
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that will be able to tell us
about who we really are,
about who we really are,
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男人会代表我们所有人
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that the masculine will tell
the universal story
the universal story
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讲述所有的故事，
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on behalf of all of us,
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而女性艺术家将
只谈论女人的经历，
只谈论女人的经历，
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whereas women artists will really
just talk about women's experiences,
just talk about women's experiences,
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女人的问题，仅仅限于女人
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women's issues
only really relevant to women
only really relevant to women
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对男人来说是一闪而过——
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and of passing interest to men --
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而且只有一部分男人有兴趣。
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and really only some men.
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我认为，就是我们被灌输的这种观念
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And it's that conviction,
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03:20
that that we are taught,
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03:21
that I think colors so much
of whether we're prepared to believe
of whether we're prepared to believe
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严重改变了我们能否相信
女性的故事也同样重要。
女性的故事也同样重要。
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that women's stories really matter.
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除非我们准备好了去相信
女性的故事真的重要，
女性的故事真的重要，
03:27
And unless we're prepared to believe
that women's stories really matter,
that women's stories really matter,
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否则女性的权利就无足轻重，
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then women's rights don't really matter,
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那么变化就不会真的来临。
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and then change can't really come.
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03:38
I want to tell you
about two examples of stories
about two examples of stories
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我想给你讲两个例子
是被普遍认为非常重要的故事：
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that are thought to be
of universal importance:
of universal importance:
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《E.T.》和《哈姆雷特》。
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"E.T." and "Hamlet."
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03:49
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
我带着我的两个孩子去看《E.T.》
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So I took my two children
when they were little --
when they were little --
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当时他们很小
卡罗琳8岁，罗比5岁，
卡罗琳8岁，罗比5岁，
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Caroline was eight and Robby was five --
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03:59
to see "E.T."
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那是个小外星人的奇妙故事。
04:00
And it's a fantastic story
of this little alien
of this little alien
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这个小外星人到了一个美国家庭，
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who ends up in an American family
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家里有妈妈、两个哥哥和一个妹妹，
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with a mum, two brothers and a sister,
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可是他想回家。
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but he wants to go home.
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04:11
Not only that, but some
really bad scientists
really bad scientists
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不仅如此，还有些特别坏的科学家，
想拿他做某种实验。
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want to do some experiments on him,
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那些科学家在找他，
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and they're looking for him.
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所以孩子们密谋，
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So the children have a plot.
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他们决定自己把小外星人带回飞船，
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They decide they're going to take him
back to his spaceship
back to his spaceship
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而且要尽快。
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as soon as they can,
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他们把小外星人放进单车篮子里，
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and they plop him in a bicycle basket,
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他们就开始骑，
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and off they ride.
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不幸的是，坏人发现了，追上了。
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But unfortunately, the baddies
have found out, and they're catching up
have found out, and they're catching up
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坏人有警笛，坏人有枪
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and they've got sirens
and they've got their guns,
and they've got their guns,
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坏人还有大喇叭，特别吓人，
04:34
they've got the loud-hailers,
it's terribly frightening,
it's terribly frightening,
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然后坏接近那些孩子了
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and they're closing up on the children,
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孩子们快不可能完成任务了。
04:39
and the children are never
going to make it.
going to make it.
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然后，突然之间，神奇地
单车飞向天空，
单车飞向天空，
04:41
And then all of a sudden, magically,
the bikes fly up in the air,
the bikes fly up in the air,
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飞过云层，
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over the clouds,
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飞过月亮，
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over the moon,
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他们拯救了E.T.
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and they're going to save "E.T."
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So I turn to see my children's faces,
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然后我转头看看我的孩子们
罗比被吸引了，他身处其中
他在拯救E.T.，
他在拯救E.T.，
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and Robby is enraptured,
he's there with them, he's saving E.T.,
he's there with them, he's saving E.T.,
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他特别开心，
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he's a happy boy.
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然后我转向卡罗琳，她哭得好可怜，
05:00
And I turn to Caroline,
and she's crying her eyes out.
and she's crying her eyes out.
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我说“怎么了？”
05:03
And I said, "What's the matter?"
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她说，“为什么我不能拯救E.T.？
为什么不能让我来？”
为什么不能让我来？”
05:05
And she said, "Why can't I save E.T.?
Why can't I come?"
Why can't I come?"
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突然我意识到：
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And then all of a sudden I realized:
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他们不是“孩子们”
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they weren't children;
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他们是“男孩子们”，
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they were boys --
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全都是男孩子。
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all boys.
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And Caroline, who had invested
so much in E.T.,
so much in E.T.,
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而对E.T.那么投入的卡罗琳
嗯，当然她并没有被邀请去拯救他，
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well, she wasn't invited to save him,
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她觉得被羞辱，被冷落了.
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and she felt humiliated and spurned.
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所以我写信给史蒂芬·斯皮尔伯格。
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So I wrote to Steven Spielberg --
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05:30
(Laughter) (Applause)
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（笑声）（掌声）
我写道：“我不知道你是否明白
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and I said, "I don't know
if you understand
if you understand
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所发生的事情在心理上的重要性，
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the psychological importance
of what's happened,
of what's happened,
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你准备好支付心理咨询费了吗？”
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and are you prepared to pay
for the therapy bills?"
for the therapy bills?"
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（笑声）
05:43
(Laughter)
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20年过去了，我还没收到他的回复，
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Twenty years later, I haven't
had a word back from him,
had a word back from him,
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但我还是满怀希望的。
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but I'm still hopeful.
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05:49
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
但我认为这很有趣，
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But I thought it was interesting,
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因为如果你看到
他对E.T.的用意的评论，
他对E.T.的用意的评论，
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because if you read reviews
of what he intended with E.T.,
of what he intended with E.T.,
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他说得非常具体，
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he says very specifically,
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“我想让这世界了解
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"I wanted the world to understand
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我们应该爱并拥抱差异。”
06:00
that we should love
and embrace difference."
and embrace difference."
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但不知何故，他的这个想法
06:03
But somehow he didn't include
the idea of girls' difference
the idea of girls' difference
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没有提到女孩的想法的“差异”。
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in this thinking.
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他认为他在写一个
关于全人类的故事，
关于全人类的故事，
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He thought he was writing a story
about all humanity.
about all humanity.
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卡罗琳认为他正在
使人类中的一半边缘化，
使人类中的一半边缘化，
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Caroline thought he was marginalizing
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06:16
half of humanity.
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06:17
He thought he was writing a story
about human goodness;
about human goodness;
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他认为他在写一个
关于人类善良的故事，
关于人类善良的故事，
她以为他正在写
一个小伙子的英勇冒险。
一个小伙子的英勇冒险。
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she thought he was writing
a lad's heroic adventure.
a lad's heroic adventure.
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06:26
And this is common.
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这很常见。
06:28
Men feel they have been given the mantle
for universal communication,
for universal communication,
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男人觉得他们被委以
进行全部沟通的重任，
进行全部沟通的重任，
但当然，他们怎么可能？
06:33
but of course, how could they be?
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他们的写作来自
男性眼中的男性经历。
男性眼中的男性经历。
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They are writing from male experience
through male's eyes.
through male's eyes.
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06:42
We have to have a look at this ourselves.
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我们必须亲自看看这个。
我们必须准备好
回顾所有的书和电影，
回顾所有的书和电影，
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We have to be prepared to go back
through all our books and our films,
through all our books and our films,
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以及所有我们最喜欢的东西，
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all our favorite things,
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然后说：“事实上，
这是由男性艺术家写的 ——
这是由男性艺术家写的 ——
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and say, "Actually, this is written
by a male artist --
by a male artist --
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而不只说“这是艺术家写的”。
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not an artist.
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我们必须看到，这么多的故事
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We have to see
that so many of these stories
that so many of these stories
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都是通过男性角度来写的。
06:56
are written through a male perspective.
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那也没问题，
06:58
Which is fine,
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但是女性必须拥有50％的权利，
07:00
but then females need to have
50 percent of the rights
50 percent of the rights
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拥有舞台、电影、小说，
07:04
for the stage, the film, the novel,
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拥有发挥创造力的所在。
07:06
the place of creativity.
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07:09
Let me talk about "Hamlet."
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让我谈谈《哈姆雷特》
“生存还是毁灭
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To be or not to be.
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那是个问题。”
07:13
That is the question.
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但那不是我的问题，
07:14
But it's not my question.
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我的问题是：为什么，作为年轻女子
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My question is: Why was I taught
as a young woman
as a young woman
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我被教导说，《哈姆雷特》是有关
07:20
that this was the quintessential
example of human dilemma
example of human dilemma
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人类困境和人生的精华作品？
07:24
and human experience?
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它确实是一个伟大的故事,
07:26
It's a marvelous story,
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but actually, it's about a young man
fearful that he won't be able to make it
fearful that he won't be able to make it
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但实际上，它讲述的是
一个年轻男子的恐惧。
一个年轻男子的恐惧。
除非他为他父亲的被杀去报仇，
07:33
as a powerful figure in a male world
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否则他在男性世界中
不能成为强大的人物。
不能成为强大的人物。
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unless he takes revenge
for his father's murder.
for his father's murder.
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He talks a great deal to us
about suicide being an option,
about suicide being an option,
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他对我们说了很多
关于自杀是一种选择，
关于自杀是一种选择，
但是现实是，
真正自杀的人是奥菲莉亚。
真正自杀的人是奥菲莉亚。
07:44
but the reality is that the person
who actually commits suicide, Ophelia,
who actually commits suicide, Ophelia,
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在被他羞辱和虐待之后
07:48
after she's been humiliated
and abused by him,
and abused by him,
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奥菲利亚从未有机会对观众说一说
她的感受。
她的感受。
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never gets a chance to talk
to the audience about her feelings.
to the audience about her feelings.
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当他结束了奥菲莉亚时，
又把矛头转向他妈妈，
又把矛头转向他妈妈，
07:54
And then when he's finished with Ophelia,
he turns on his mum,
he turns on his mum,
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仅仅上是因为她竟敢
爱上他的叔叔，
爱上他的叔叔，
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because basically she has the audacity
to fall in love with his uncle
to fall in love with his uncle
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还享受着性爱。
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and enjoy sex.
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（笑声）
08:02
(Laughter)
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它的确是个伟大的故事，
08:04
It is a great story,
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但这个故事讲的是男性的冲突、
08:06
but it is a story about male conflict,
male dilemma, male struggle.
male dilemma, male struggle.
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男性的困境、男性的斗争。
08:12
But I was told this was the story
of human beings,
of human beings,
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但我被告知，这就是全人类的故事。
尽管事实上，故事中只有两个女人。
08:16
despite the fact that it only
had two women in it.
had two women in it.
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除非我重新教育自己，
08:19
And unless I reeducate myself,
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否则我会一直认为
08:22
I am always going to think
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女人的故事没有男人的故事重要。
08:23
that women's stories
matter less than men's.
matter less than men's.
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08:28
A woman could have written "Hamlet,"
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女人也可以写《哈姆雷特》
但她会写得不一样，
08:29
but she would have written it differently,
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而且不会被全世界认可。
08:32
and it wouldn't have had
global recognition.
global recognition.
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正如作家玛格丽特·阿特伍德所说：
08:34
As the writer Margaret Atwood says,
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“当一个男人写到洗碗时，
08:36
"When a man writes about doing the dishes,
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它是现实主义，
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it's realism.
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当女人写到洗碗时，
08:41
When a woman writes about doing it,
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这是不幸的遗传倾向。”
08:43
it's an unfortunate genetic disposition."
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（笑声）
08:46
(Laughter)
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这不只是属于旧年代的东西。
08:47
Now, this is not just something
that belongs to then.
that belongs to then.
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当我还是个小女孩，
08:51
I mean, when I was a young girl,
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拼命想成为戏剧导演，
08:52
wanting desperately
to be a theater director,
to be a theater director,
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我的男讲师这样对我说：
08:55
this is what my male lecturer said to me:
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“呃，英国有三个女导演，朱迪”
08:58
"Well, there are three women
directors in Britain," he said, "Jude."
directors in Britain," he said, "Jude."
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“有琼·奈特，女同性恋，
有琼·丽特伍德，退休了，
有琼·丽特伍德，退休了，
09:02
"There's Joan Knight, who's a lesbian,
there's Joan Littlewood, who's retired,
there's Joan Littlewood, who's retired,
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还有巴兹·古德波堤，刚自杀。
09:06
and there's Buzz Goodbody,
who's just killed herself.
who's just killed herself.
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那么，你想变成她们中的哪一个？ ”
09:09
So, which of those three
would you like to be?"
would you like to be?"
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09:11
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
先不谈对女同性恋的无耻侮辱，
09:12
Now, leaving aside
the disgusting slur on gay women,
the disgusting slur on gay women,
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事实是，他想羞辱我。
09:17
the fact is, he wanted to humiliate me.
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他认为我想做导演
是很蠢的。
是很蠢的。
09:20
He thought it was silly
that I wanted to be a director.
that I wanted to be a director.
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我告诉我的指挥朋友，
马林·阿尔索普，她说：
马林·阿尔索普，她说：
09:24
And I told my friend Marin Alsop,
the conductor, and she said,
the conductor, and she said,
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“哦对，呵呵，我的音乐老师
说过一模一样的话，
说过一模一样的话，
09:27
"Oh yes, well, my music teacher
said exactly the same.
said exactly the same.
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他说：‘女人不能指挥。’”
09:29
He said, 'Women don't conduct.'"
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这么多年过去了
我们成功了。
我们成功了。
09:32
But all these years later,
we've made our mark.
we've made our mark.
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你觉得“现在肯定不一样了。”
09:35
You think, "Well, it'll be different now."
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恐怕现在没有什么不同。
09:37
I'm afraid it's not different now.
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巴黎音乐学院现任主管最近说过：
09:40
The current head
of the Paris Conservatoire
of the Paris Conservatoire
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09:43
said recently, "It takes
great physical strength
great physical strength
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“指挥交响乐需要很大的体力，
09:47
to conduct a symphony,
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女人太弱。”
09:48
and women are too weak."
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（笑声）
09:50
(Laughter)
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艺术家乔治·巴塞利茨说：
09:51
The artist George Baselitz said,
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“嗯，事实是女人不会画画。
09:53
"Well, the fact is women can't paint.
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好吧——她们画不好。”
09:55
Well -- they can't paint very well."
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作家V.S. 奈保尔在两年前说：
09:58
The writer V.S. Naipaul
said two years ago,
said two years ago,
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“我可以只读两段就立即知道
是不是女人写的，
是不是女人写的，
10:00
"I can read two paragraphs and know
immediately if it's written by a woman,
immediately if it's written by a woman,
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然后我就不读了，
因为不值得我读。”
因为不值得我读。”
10:04
and I just stop reading,
because it's not worthy of me."
because it's not worthy of me."
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10:06
Audience: Whoa!
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观众：哇！
10:09
And it goes on.
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还有很多。
10:12
We have to find a way
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我们必须找到一种方法，
来不让小女孩和年轻的女人们
10:15
of stopping young girls and women
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感觉不仅她们的故事没意义，
10:17
feeling not only that
their story doesn't matter,
their story doesn't matter,
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而且她们不被允许成为讲述者。
10:20
but they're not allowed
to be the storyteller.
to be the storyteller.
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10:24
Because once you feel
that you can't stand in the central space
that you can't stand in the central space
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因为一旦你感觉不能站在中央
10:28
and speak on behalf of the world,
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代表世界发声，
你会觉得你只能把作品
献给很小的、特定的一群人，
献给很小的、特定的一群人，
10:31
you will feel that you can offer
your goods up to a small, select group.
your goods up to a small, select group.
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你将倾向于在更小的舞台，
做更轻微的工作，
做更轻微的工作，
10:36
You will tend to do smaller work
on smaller stages,
on smaller stages,
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你的经济力量会更小，
10:39
your economic power will be less,
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你的受众范围会更小，
10:41
your reach of audiences will be less,
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作艺术家的资格会更少。
10:44
and your credit will be less as an artist.
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10:49
And we do finally give artists
these incredible, prominent spaces
these incredible, prominent spaces
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并且我们已经在这世界上
为艺术家们提供了
为艺术家们提供了
难以置信的、卓越的空间。
10:54
in the world,
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因为他们是我们的讲述者。
10:56
because they are our storytellers.
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那么，如果你不是艺术家，
为什么你要在乎这些？
为什么你要在乎这些？
10:57
Now, why should it matter to you
if you're not an artist?
if you're not an artist?
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假设你是会计师或企业家
11:00
Supposing you're an accountant
or an entrepreneur or a medic
or an entrepreneur or a medic
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或医生或科学家
11:04
or a scientist:
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你是否应该在乎女性艺术家？
11:05
Should you care about women artists?
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绝对的，你必须在乎，
11:08
Absolutely, you must,
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因为就像你在岩洞绘画中看到的
11:10
because as you can see
from the cave paintings,
from the cave paintings,
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所有的文明，
11:13
all civilizations,
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全体人类
11:15
all of humanity
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都依靠艺术家来讲述人类的故事。
11:18
have relied upon artists
to tell the human story,
to tell the human story,
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如果人类的故事
最终只由男人来讲述，
最终只由男人来讲述，
11:22
and if the human story
is finally told by men,
is finally told by men,
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记住我的话，
11:25
take my word for it,
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故事里将只有男人。
11:27
it will be about men.
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11:29
So let's make a change.
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所以，让我们做出改变，
改变我们所有的教育体系，
11:32
Let's make a change
to all our institutions,
to all our institutions,
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而且不仅仅是在西方，
11:34
and not just in the West.
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不要忘记——
11:35
Don't forget -- this message
of incapability of women
of incapability of women
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女人没有创造性天分的观念，
11:40
to hold creative genius
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在尼日利亚，中国，俄罗斯，
在印度尼西亚，
在印度尼西亚，
11:42
is being told to girls and women
in Nigeria, in China, in Russia,
in Nigeria, in China, in Russia,
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正被灌输给女孩和女人们。
11:47
in Indonesia.
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11:48
All over the world, girls
and women are being told
and women are being told
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在世界各地，女孩和女人被告知
她们不会拥有创造性灵感。
11:51
that they can't finally hold the idea
of creative inspiration.
of creative inspiration.
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11:57
And I want to ask you:
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我想问你：
你相信那说法吗？
11:58
Do you believe that?
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你是否相信，女人可以是
有创造力的天才呢？
有创造力的天才呢？
12:00
Do you believe that women
can be a creative genius?
can be a creative genius?
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12:05
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌声和欢呼）
那么，请更进一步
12:10
Well then, please go forward,
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支持女性艺术家，
12:12
support women artists,
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购买她们的作品，
12:14
buy their work,
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主张她们的声音被聆听，
12:16
insist that their voices are heard,
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找到可以让她们发声的平台。
12:18
find platforms on which
their voices will be made.
their voices will be made.
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12:22
And remember this:
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并且记住这一点：
在某种意义上，如果我们要
走过世界的这一时刻
走过世界的这一时刻
12:24
that in a sense, if we're going
to get past this moment
to get past this moment
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这个我们知道我们不平等的时刻
12:27
of a world where we know
that we are unequal,
that we are unequal,
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艺术家必须想象出另一世界的。
12:31
it's artists who have to imagine
a different world.
a different world.
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12:34
And I'm calling on all artists,
women and men,
women and men,
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我呼吁所有的艺术家，
女人以及男人
女人以及男人
去想象一个性别平等的世界。
12:38
to imagine a gender-equal world.
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12:42
Let's paint it. Let's draw it.
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让我们绘制它，让我们勾勒它，
让我们写出它，让我们拍摄它。
12:44
Let's write about it. Let's film it.
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如果我们能够想象出来，
12:46
And if we could imagine it,
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那么我们就有能量和耐力
12:48
then we would have the energy
and the stamina
and the stamina
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向它努力。
12:51
to work towards it.
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12:53
When I see this little girl,
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当我看着这个小女孩，
11000年前的小女孩，
12:55
11,000 years ago,
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我需要知道，这个小女孩现在
12:57
I want to know that the little girl now
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可以站在那里，相信
她有权拥有自己的梦想，
她有权拥有自己的梦想，
13:01
can stand there and think
she's entitled to her dreams,
she's entitled to her dreams,
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她有权主宰自己的命运，
13:04
she's entitled to her destiny
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她有权代表整个世界说话，
13:07
and she's entitled to speak
on behalf of the whole world,
on behalf of the whole world,
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为此被认同，
13:11
be recognized for it
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并为此享有掌声。
13:13
and applauded.
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13:14
Thank you.
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谢谢。
13:16
(Applause)
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（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jude Kelly - Theater director, producerJude Kelly is artistic director of Southbank Centre, Britain’s largest cultural institution.
Why you should listen
Jude Kelly was appointed artistic director of Southbank Centre, Britain's largest cultural institution, in 2006.
She founded Solent People's Theatre and Battersea Arts Centre, and was the founding director of the West Yorkshire Playhouse. In 1997, she was awarded an OBE for her services to theatre, and in 2015 she was made a CBE in the New Year honours for services to the Arts. She has directed over 100 productions from the Royal Shakespeare Company to the Châtalet in Paris.
In 2002, Kelly founded Metal, a platform where artistic hunches can be pursued in community contexts, with bases in Liverpool, Southend-On-Sea and Peterborough. She led the cultural team for the successful London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic bid and then served on the Board of the cultural Olympiad. She is a regular broadcaster and commentator on a range of issues relating to society, art and education.
Kelly created the WOW – Women of the World Festival in 2011. In 2011 she created the WOW: Women of the World Festival, now heading into its 7th year at Southbank Centre as well as in other parts of the UK and in countries all over the world.
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