ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Michel Laberge - Plasma physicist
In a lab near Vancouver, Michel Laberge and his team at General Fusion are building a prototype fusion reactor that mimics the processes of the sun to produce cheap, clean and abundant energy.

Why you should listen
Fusion, putting it briefly, is what happens inside the sun: intense heat and pressure combine to convert hydrogen into helium, releasing heat and energy in a self-sustaining reaction. Harnessing that same kind of reaction could someday solve the energy crisis here on Earth, and the US (at the National Ignition Facility in California, using the world's most powerful laser), Europe (at ITER) and China are all working on fusion in multi-billion-dollar labs. Meanwhile, just outside Vancouver, a private-government collaboration spending millions-with-an-m is keeping pace.
 
At General Fusion, plasma physicist Michel Laberge hopes to start a fusion reaction by combining several techniques in one reactor. Inside a spherical chamber, molten lead-lithium is spun up into a vortex, then shot with a pulse of magnetically contained plasma -- meanwhile, around the edge of the sphere, an array of pistons will drive a pressure wave into the center of the sphere, compressing the plasma to fusion conditions. General Fusion is designing and protoyping each piece of this system.
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Michel Laberge: Kako bi usklađeni udarci čekićima mogli stvarati nuklearnu fuziju.

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Naša energetska budućnost ovisi o nuklearnoj fuziji, kaže Michel Laberge. Fizičar koji se bavi plazmom ima malu tvrtku s velikom idejom za novi tip nuklearnog reaktora koji bi mogao prozivesti čistu i jeftinu energiju. Njegov tajni recept? Velike brzine, visoke temperature i snažan tlak. U ovom govoru punom nade objašnjava kako bi nuklearna fuzija mogla biti vrlo blizu.
- Plasma physicist
In a lab near Vancouver, Michel Laberge and his team at General Fusion are building a prototype fusion reactor that mimics the processes of the sun to produce cheap, clean and abundant energy. Full bio

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00:13
WowSjajna osoba, this is brightsvijetao.
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Uh, ovo bliješti.
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It mustmora use a lot of powervlast.
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Zasigurno troši puno energije.
00:18
Well, flyingleteći you all in here
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Za sve je vaše letove ovamo
00:19
mustmora have costcijena a bitbit of energyenergija too.
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trebalo utrošiti ponešto energije.
00:22
So the wholečitav planetplaneta needspotrebe a lot of energyenergija,
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Cijeli planet, dakle, treba puno energije
00:24
and so fardaleko we'veimamo been runningtrčanje mostlyuglavnom on fossilfosil fuelgorivo.
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i do sad su nas uglavnom
pokretala fosilna goriva.
00:27
We'veMoramo been burningspaljivanje gasplin.
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Palili smo benzin.
00:29
It's been a good runtrčanje.
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Bilo je to dobro.
00:31
It got us to where we are, but we have to stop.
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Dovelo nas je do tu gdje jesmo,
no moramo prestati.
00:34
We can't do that anymoreviše.
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Ne možemo to više činiti.
00:36
So we are tryingtežak differentdrugačiji typesvrste of energyenergija now,
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Zato danas isprobavamo
razne vrste energije,
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alternativealternativa energyenergija,
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alternativne energije,
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but it proveddokazao quitedosta difficulttežak to find something
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no pokazalo se vrlo teško pronaći nešto
00:42
that's as convenientzgodan and as cost-effectiveisplativ
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što je jednako praktično i isplativo
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as oilulje, gasplin and coalugljen.
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kao nafta, plin i ugljen.
00:47
My personalosobni favoriteljubimac is nuclearnuklearni energyenergija.
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Meni je osobno omiljena
nuklearna energija.
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Now, it's very energy-denseenergetski gusta,
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Gustoća energije je vrlo velika,
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it producesproizvodi solidsolidan, reliablepouzdan powervlast,
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izvor je stalne i pouzdane energije,
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and it doesn't make any COCO2.
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i ne stvara nimalo CO2.
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Now we know of two waysnačine
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Sad, znamo za dva načina
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of makingizrađivanje nuclearnuklearni energyenergija: fissionfisija and fusionfuzija.
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proizvodnje nuklearne energije: fisiju i fuziju.
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Now in fissionfisija, you take a bigvelika nucleusjezgra,
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U fisiji uzmete veliku jezgru
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you breakpauza it in partdio, in two,
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i rastavite je na dijelove, prepolovite,
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and it makesmarke lots of energyenergija,
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tako nastane puno energije.
01:11
and this is how the nuclearnuklearni reactorreaktor todaydanas worksdjela.
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Tako današnji nuklearni reaktori rade.
01:13
It worksdjela prettyprilično good.
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To radi prilično dobro.
01:15
And then there's fusionfuzija.
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A onda imamo fuziju.
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Now, I like fusionfuzija. Fusion'sFuzija je much better.
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Ja volim fuziju. Fuzija je mnogo bolja.
01:19
So you take two smallmali nucleijezgre,
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Dakle uzmete dvije male jezgre
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you put it togetherzajedno, and you make heliumHelij,
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i spojite ih zajedno, stvorite helij,
01:24
and that's very nicelijepo.
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to je jako dobro.
01:25
It makesmarke lots of energyenergija.
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To stvara mnogo energije.
01:26
This is nature'spriroda je way of producingproizvodnju energyenergija.
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Tako priroda stvara energiju.
01:29
The sunsunce and all the starszvijezde in the universesvemir
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Sunce i sve zvijezde u svemiru
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runtrčanje on fusionfuzija.
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pokreće fuzija.
01:34
Now, a fusionfuzija plantbiljka
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Sad, fuzijska bi elektrana
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would actuallyzapravo be quitedosta cost-effectiveisplativ
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bila zapravo prilično isplativa
01:38
and it alsotakođer would be quitedosta safesef.
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i također prilično sigurna.
01:40
It only producesproizvodi shortkratak termtermin radioactiveradioaktivni wastegubljenje,
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Stvarala bi samo kratkoživući
radioaktivni otpad
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and it cannotNe možete meltrastopiti down.
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i ne bi se mogla pregrijati.
01:46
Now, the fuelgorivo from fusionfuzija comesdolazi from the oceanokean.
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Gorivo za fuziju dolazi iz oceana.
01:49
In the oceanokean, you can extractekstrakt the fuelgorivo
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Iz oceana možete izvući gorivo
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for about one thousandthtisućiti of a centcent
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za otprilike jednu tisućinu centa
01:53
perpo kilowatt-hourradne cijene, so that's very, very cheapjeftino.
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po kilowatt satu, dakle vrlo jeftino.
01:55
And if the wholečitav planetplaneta would runtrčanje on fusionfuzija,
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Kad bi cijeli planet pokretala fuzija
01:58
we could extractekstrakt the fuelgorivo from the oceanokean.
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mogli bismo vaditi gorivo iz oceana.
02:00
It would runtrčanje for billionsmilijarde and billionsmilijarde of yearsgodina.
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Pokretala bi nas miljardama godina.
02:03
Now, if fusionfuzija is so great, why don't we have it?
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Ali, ako je fuzija tako dobra,
zašto ju ne koristimo?
02:07
Where is it?
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Gdje je?
02:08
Well, there's always a bitbit of a catchulov.
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Ah, uvijek postoji mala kvaka.
02:10
FusionFuzija is really, really hardteško to do.
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Fuziju je stvarno teško dobiti.
02:13
So the problemproblem is, those two nucleijezgre,
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Problem je što su te dvije jezgre
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they are bothoba positivelypozitivno chargedoptužen,
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obje pozitivno nabijene,
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so they don't want to fuseosigurač.
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pa se ne žele spojiti.
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They go like this. They go like that.
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Idu ovako. Idu onako.
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So in ordernarudžba to make them fuseosigurač,
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Pa kako biste ih natjerali na fuziju,
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you have to throwbacanje them at
eachsvaki other with great speedubrzati,
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morate ih baciti jednu na drugu
velikom brzinom
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and if they have enoughdovoljno speedubrzati,
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i ako su dovoljno brze,
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they will go againstprotiv the repulsionodbijanje,
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oduprijet će se odbijanju,
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they will touchdodir, and they will make energyenergija.
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dotaknut će se i stvorit će energiju.
02:29
Now, the particlečestica speedubrzati
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Sad, brzina čestice
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is a measuremjera of the temperaturetemperatura.
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je mjera temperature.
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So the temperaturetemperatura requiredpotreban for fusionfuzija
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Pa je tako temperatura potrebna za fuziju
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is 150 billionmilijardi degreesstupnjeva C.
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150 milijardi Celzijevih stupnjeva.
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This is ratherradije warmtoplo,
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To je poprilično toplo
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and this is why fusionfuzija is so hardteško to do.
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i zato je fuziju tako teško dobiti.
02:43
Now, I caughtzatečen my little fusionfuzija bugbuba
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Ja sam se zarazio fuzijom
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when I did my PhPH.D. here at the
UniversitySveučilište of BritishBritanski ColumbiaColumbia,
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dok sam radio doktorat ovdje
na Sveučilištu British Columbia,
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and then I got a bigvelika jobposao in a laserlaser printerprinter placemjesto
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a onda sam dobio veliki
posao u laserskoj tiskari
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makingizrađivanje printingtiskanje for the printingtiskanje industryindustrija.
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gdje sam se bavio tiskom
za tiskarsku industriju.
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I workedradio there for 10 yearsgodina,
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Radio sam tamo deset godina,
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and I got a little bitbit boreddosadno,
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pa mi je postalo dosadno,
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and then I was 40, and I got a mid-lifesrednjih crisiskriza,
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a onda sam navršio 40
i ušao u krizu srednjih godina
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you know, the usualuobičajen thing:
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znate već, ono uobičajeno:
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Who am I? What should I do?
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Tko sam ja? Što mi je činiti?
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What should I do? What can I do?
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Što mi je činiti? Što mogu učiniti?
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And then I was looking at my good work,
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A onda sam sagledao svoj lijepi posao
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and what I was doing is I was cuttingrezanje the forestsšume
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i ono što sam radio je bila sječa šuma
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around here in B.C.
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ovdje negdje u B. C.
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and buryingukop you, all of you,
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i zakopavao vas, sve vas
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in millionsmilijuni of tonstona of junkstarudija mailpošta.
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u milijunima tona neželjene pošte.
03:19
Now, that was not very satisfactoryzadovoljavajući.
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Sad, to me nije previše zadovoljavalo.
03:21
So some people buykupiti a PorschePorsche.
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Neki ljudi kupe Porsche.
03:23
OthersDrugi get a mistressljubavnica.
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Drugi nađu ljubavnicu.
03:26
But I've decidedodlučio to get my bitbit
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No ja sam odlučio napraviti svoj dio
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to solveriješiti globalglobalno warmingzagrijavanje and make fusionfuzija happendogoditi se.
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prema rješenju globalnog zatopljenja
i ostvarenju fuzije
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Now, so the first thing I did
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Sad, prva stvar koju sam napravio,
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is I lookedgledao into the literatureknjiževnost and I see,
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zavirio sam u literaturu da vidim
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how does fusionfuzija work?
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kako fuzija radi.
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So the physicistsfizičari have been
workingrad on fusionfuzija for a while,
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Fizičari se dakle već
neko vrijeme bave fuzijom
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and one of the waysnačine they do it
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i jedan od načina kako ju dobivaju
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is with something calledzvao a tokamaktokamaka.
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je uz pomoć nečega zvanog tokamak.
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It's a bigvelika ringprsten of magneticmagnetski coilnamotaj,
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To je velika prstenasta
magnetska zavojnica,
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superconductingsupravodljivih coilnamotaj,
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supravodljiva zavojnica
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and it makesmarke a magneticmagnetski fieldpolje
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koja stvara magnetsko polje
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in a ringprsten like this,
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u ovakvom prstenu,
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and the hotvruće gasplin in the middlesrednji,
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a vrući plin u sredini
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whichkoji is calledzvao a plasmaplazma, is trappedzarobljena.
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zvan plazma je zarobljen u prstenu.
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The particlesčestice go roundkrug and roundkrug and roundkrug
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Čestice kruže i kruže
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the circlekrug at the wallzid.
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oko stijenki.
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Then they throwbacanje a hugeogroman amountiznos of heattoplina in there
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Potom unutra dodaju
veliku količinu topline
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to try to cookkuhati that to fusionfuzija temperaturetemperatura.
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kako bi pokušali to zagrijati
fuzijskih temperatura.
04:03
So this is the insideiznutra of one of those donutskrafne,
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Ovo je dakle unutrašnjost
jednog takvog torusa.
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and on the right sidestrana you can see
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Na desnoj strani možete vidjeti
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the fusionfuzija plasmaplazma in there.
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fuzijsku plazmu unutra.
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Now, a seconddrugi way of doing this
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Sad, drugi način da se dobije to isto
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is by usingkoristeći laserlaser fusionfuzija.
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je uz pomoć laserske fuzije.
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Now in laserlaser fusionfuzija, you have a little pingPing pongtenis balllopta,
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U laserskoj fuziji imate
malu lopticu za stolni tenis
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you put the fusionfuzija fuelgorivo in the centercentar,
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u čije središte stavite fuzijsko gorivo,
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and you zapZap that with a wholečitav
bunchmnogo of laserlaser around it.
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a onda u to ispucate
mnoštvo laserskih zraka.
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The laserslaseri are very strongjak, and it squashestikvica
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Laseri su vrlo snažni i zdrobe
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the pingPing pongtenis balllopta really, really quickbrz.
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lopticu vrlo brzo,
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And if you squeezeiscijediti something hardteško enoughdovoljno,
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a ako zgnečite nešto dovoljno snažno,
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it getsdobiva hottertoplije,
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to se zagrije.
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and if it getsdobiva really, really fastbrzo,
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Ako to napravite vrlo brzo,
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and they do that in one billionthmilijarditi of a seconddrugi,
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a oni to rade u
milijarditom dijelu sekunde
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it makesmarke enoughdovoljno energyenergija and enoughdovoljno heattoplina
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stvori se dovoljno
energije i dovoljno topline
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to make fusionfuzija.
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za fuziju.
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So this is the insideiznutra of one suchtakav machinemašina.
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Ovo je, dakle, unutrašnjost
jednog takvog stroja
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You see the laserlaser beamzraka and the pelletkuglica
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Vidite lasersku zraku i kuglicu
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in the centercentar.
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u sredini.
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Now, mostnajviše people think that fusionfuzija is going nowherenigdje.
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Sad, većina ljudi misli
da fuzija ne ide nikamo.
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They always think that the physicistsfizičari are in theirnjihov lablaboratorija
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Misle da su fizičari u laboratorijima
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and they're workingrad hardteško, but nothing is happeningdogađa.
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i da marljivo rade,
ali da se ništa ne događa.
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That's actuallyzapravo not quitedosta truepravi.
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To nije baš točno.
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This is a curvezavoj of the gaindobit in fusionfuzija
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Ovo je krivulja postignuća u fuziji
kroz zadnjih 30ak godina
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over the last 30 yearsgodina or so,
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and you can see that we're makingizrađivanje now
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iz koje možete vidjeti da danas radimo
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about 10,000 timesputa more fusionfuzija than we used to
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oko 10000 puta više
fuzije neko što smo radili
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when we startedpočeo.
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na početku.
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That's a prettyprilično good gaindobit.
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To je prilično dobar napredak.
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As a matterstvar of factčinjenica, it's as fastbrzo
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On je zapravo jednako brz
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as the fabledBajkoviti Moore'sMooreov LawZakon
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kao i famozni Mooreov zakon
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that defineddefiniran the amountiznos of transistorstranzistori
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koji definira broj tranzistora
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they can put on a chipčip.
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koji se može smjestiti
na integrirani krug.
05:07
Now, this dottočka here is calledzvao JETJET,
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Ova točka ovdje se zove JET,
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the JointZajednički EuropeanEuropski TorusTorusa.
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Zajednički europski torus.
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It's a bigvelika tokamaktokamaka donutkrafna in EuropeEurope,
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To je veliki tokamak torus u Europi
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and this machinemašina in 1997
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koji je 1997.
05:17
producedizrađen 16 megawattsmegavata of fusionfuzija powervlast
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proizveo 16 megawatta fuzijske snage
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with 17 megawattsmegavata of heattoplina.
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uz 17 megawatta grijanja.
05:22
Now, you say, that's not much use,
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Reći ćete da to nije
od neke velike koristi
05:24
but it's actuallyzapravo prettyprilično closeblizu,
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Ali je zapravo prilično blizu,
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considerings obzirom na we can get
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ako uzmete u obzir da možemo dobiti
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about 10,000 timesputa more than we startedpočeo.
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oko 10000 puta više nego kad smo počeli.
05:29
The seconddrugi dottočka here is the NIFNAKO.
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Druga točka ovdje je NIF.
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It's the NationalNacionalne IgnitionPaljenje FacilityObjekt.
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Nacionalna ustanova za paljenje.
05:34
It's a bigvelika laserlaser machinemašina in the U.S.,
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Veliki je to laserski stroj u SAD.
05:37
and last monthmjesec they announcednajavio
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Prošli su mjesec objavili
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with quitedosta a bitbit of noisebuka
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uz puno buke
05:40
that they had managedupravlja to make more fusionfuzija energyenergija
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da su uspjeli dobiti više energije
05:42
from the fusionfuzija
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fuzijom
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than the energyenergija that they put in
the centercentar of the pingPing pongtenis balllopta.
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nego što su je uložili u središtu
loptice za stolni tenis.
05:46
Now, that's not quitedosta good enoughdovoljno,
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To sad baš nije dovoljno dobro,
05:48
because the laserlaser to put that energyenergija in
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jer je laser kojim su povećavali energiju loptice
05:50
was more energyenergija than that,
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trošio više energije nego što su dobili,
05:52
but it was prettyprilično good.
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no to je ipak bilo prilično dobro.
05:54
Now this is ITERITER,
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Ovo je ITER,
05:56
pronouncedizgovara se in Frenchfrancuski: EE-tairhEE-tairh.
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izgovara se francuski: [iteʁ].
05:58
So this is a bigvelika collaborationkolaboracija of differentdrugačiji countrieszemlje
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To su, dakle, razne države u suradnji
06:01
that are buildingzgrada a hugeogroman magneticmagnetski donutkrafna
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koje grade veliki magnetski torus
06:03
in the southjug of FranceFrancuska,
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na jugu Francuske
06:05
and this machinemašina, when it's finishedgotov,
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koji će, kada bude dovršen
06:07
will produceproizvoditi 500 megawattsmegavata of fusionfuzija powervlast
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proizvoditi 500 megawatta fuzijske snage
06:09
with only 50 megawattsmegavata to make it.
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koristeći pritom samo 50 megawatta.
06:12
So this one is the realstvaran one.
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Ovaj je dakle pravi.
06:13
It's going to work.
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Radit će.
06:14
That's the kindljubazan of machinemašina that makesmarke energyenergija.
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Ovakva vrsta stroja proizvodi energiju.
06:16
Now if you look at the graphgrafikon, you will noticeobavijest
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Sad, ako pogledate graf, primijetit ćete
06:18
that those two dotstočkice are a little bitbit
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da su ove dvije točke pomaknute malo
06:19
on the right of the curvezavoj.
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desno od krivulje.
06:20
We kindljubazan of have fallenpoginuli off the progressnapredak.
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Malo smo usporili s razvojem.
06:22
ActuallyZapravo, the scienceznanost to make those machinesstrojevi
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Zapravo, znanost potrebna
da se takvi strojevi izgrade
06:24
was really in time
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nije kasnila,
06:26
to produceproizvoditi fusionfuzija duringza vrijeme that curvezavoj.
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bilo je moguće pratiti krivulju.
06:28
HoweverMeđutim, there has been a bitbit of politicspolitika going on,
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Međutim, umiješalo se nešto politike
06:31
and the will to do it was not there,
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i nije baš bilo volje da se izgradi
06:33
so it driftednanijet to the right.
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pa se točka pomaknula udesno.
06:35
ITERITER, for exampleprimjer, could have been builtizgrađen
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ITER je, naprimjer, mogao biti izgrađen
06:37
in 2000 or 2005,
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2000. ili 2005.,
06:39
but because it's a bigvelika internationalmeđunarodna collaborationkolaboracija,
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no s obzirom da se radi o velikoj međunarodnoj suradnji,
06:41
the politicspolitika got in and it delayedkasni it a bitbit.
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politika se uplela i malo usporila izgradnju.
06:44
For exampleprimjer, it tookuzeo them about threetri yearsgodina
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Na primjer, trebalo im je oko tri godine
06:45
to decideodlučiti where to put it.
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da odluče gdje će ga izgraditi.
06:47
Now, fusionfuzija is oftenčesto criticizedkritizirao
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Fuzija je često na meti kritike
06:49
for beingbiće a little too expensiveskup.
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kao pomalo preskupa.
06:51
Yes, it did costcijena
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Da, koštala nas je
06:53
a billionmilijardi dollarsdolara or two billionmilijardi dollarsdolara a yeargodina
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milijardu ili dvije dolara godišnje
06:55
to make this progressnapredak.
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da bi ostvarili ovaj napredak.
06:56
But you have to compareusporediti that to the costcijena
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Ali morate to usporediti s troškom
06:57
of makingizrađivanje Moore'sMooreov LawZakon.
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izrade Mooreovog zakona.
06:59
That costcijena way more than that.
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To košta više od toga.
07:01
The resultproizlaziti of Moore'sMooreov LawZakon
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Rezultat Mooreovog zakona
07:02
is this cellćelija phonetelefon here in my pocketdžep.
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je mobitel u mom džepu.
07:04
This cellćelija phonetelefon, and the InternetInternet behindiza it,
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Ovaj mobitel, i Internet iza njega,
07:06
costcijena about one trillionbilijuna dollarsdolara,
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koštaju oko trilijun dolara,
07:09
just so I can take a selfieselfie
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samo da bih se mogao uslikati
07:12
and put it on FacebookFacebook.
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i staviti to na Facebook.
07:15
Then when my dadtata seesvidi that,
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Kad moj otac to vidi,
07:16
he'llpakao be very proudponos.
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bit će iznimno ponosan.
07:19
We alsotakođer spendprovesti about 650 billionmilijardi dollarsdolara a yeargodina
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Trošimo oko 650 milijardi dolara godišnje
07:23
in subsidiessubvencije for oilulje and gasplin
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u subvencijama za naftu i gorivo
07:26
and renewableobnovljivih izvora energyenergija.
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i obnovljivu energiju.
07:27
Now, we spendprovesti one halfpola of a percentposto of that on fusionfuzija.
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Sad, trošimo manje od pola posto toga na fuziju.
07:31
So me, personallylično, I don't think it's too expensiveskup.
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Ja osobno ne mislim da je to preskupo.
07:34
I think it's actuallyzapravo been shortchangedshortchanged,
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Mislim da nije dovoljno financirano,
07:36
considerings obzirom na it can solveriješiti all our energyenergija problemsproblemi
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budući da može riješiti sve naše probleme s energijom
07:38
cleanlyčisto for the nextSljedeći couplepar of billionsmilijarde of yearsgodina.
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na čist način za sljedećih nekoliko milijardi godina.
07:41
Now I can say that, but I'm a little bitbit biasedpristran,
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Mogu to reći, ali sam ipak malo pristran,
07:44
because I startedpočeo a fusionfuzija companydruštvo
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jer sam počeo fuzijsku tvrtku
07:45
and I don't even have a FacebookFacebook accountračun.
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a nemam ni Facebook račun.
07:48
So when I startedpočeo this fusionfuzija companydruštvo in 2002,
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Kada sam započeo ovu tvrtku 2002.,
07:53
I knewznao I couldn'tne mogu fightborba with the bigvelika ladsMomci.
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znao sam da se ne mogu boriti protiv velikih.
07:56
They had much more resourcesresursi than me.
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Imali su puno više resursa od mene.
07:58
So I decidedodlučio I would need to find a solutionriješenje
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Odlučio sam da ću morati pronaći rješenje
08:00
that is cheaperjeftinije and fasterbrže.
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koje je brže i povoljnije.
08:02
Now magneticmagnetski and laserlaser fusionfuzija
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Sad magnetska i laserska fuzija
08:04
are prettyprilično good machinesstrojevi.
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su dosta dobri strojevi.
08:05
They are awesomesuper pieceskomada of technologytehnologija,
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Oni su zadivljujući komadi tehnologije,
08:07
wonderfulpredivan machinesstrojevi, and they have shownprikazan
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prekrasni strojevi, i oni su pokazali
08:09
that fusionfuzija can be doneučinio.
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da se fuzija može učiniti.
08:10
HoweverMeđutim, as a powervlast plantbiljka,
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No ipak, kao elektrana,
08:12
I don't think they're very good.
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mislim da nisu jako dobri.
08:14
They're way too bigvelika, way too complicatedsložen,
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Preveliki, prekomplicirani su,
08:16
way too expensiveskup,
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preskupi
08:17
and alsotakođer, they don't dealdogovor very much
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i također, ne bave se puno
08:19
with the fusionfuzija energyenergija.
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sa fuzijskom energijom.
08:20
When you make fusionfuzija, the energyenergija comesdolazi out
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Kada radite fuziju, stvara se energija
08:22
as neutronsneutrona, fastbrzo neutronsneutrona comesdolazi out of the plasmaplazma.
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u neutronima, brzim neutronima koji izlaze iz plazme.
08:25
Those neutronsneutrona hithit the wallzid of the machinemašina.
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Ti neutroni udaraju u zid stroja.
08:27
It damagesštete it.
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Oštećuju ga.
08:28
And alsotakođer, you have to catchulov
the heattoplina from those neutronsneutrona
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I također, morate hvatati toplinu iz tih neutrona
08:30
and runtrčanje some steampara to spinzavrtiti a turbineturbina somewherenegdje,
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i puštati paru koja negdje okreće turbinu,
08:33
and on those machinesstrojevi,
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i na tim strojevima,
08:34
it was all a bitbit of an afterthoughtni osjetiti.
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sve je to bila neka pozadinska misao.
08:37
So I decidedodlučio that surelysigurno there
is a better way of doing that.
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Tako da sam pomislio da sigurno postoji bolji način za to.
08:40
So back to the literatureknjiževnost,
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Natrag na literaturu,
08:41
and I readčitati about the fusionfuzija everywheresvugdje, posvuda.
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i čitao sam o fuziji svugdje.
08:43
One way in particularposebno attractedprivukla je my attentionpažnja,
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Jedan način mi je privukao pažnju,
08:46
and it's calledzvao magnetizedmagnetizirana targetcilj fusionfuzija,
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i zove se magnetizirana ciljana fuzija,
08:48
or MTFMTF for shortkratak.
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ili MTF skraćeno.
08:50
Now, in MTFMTF, what you want to do
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Sad, u MTF-u, ono što želite učiniti
08:53
is you take a bigvelika vatPDV-a
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je uzeti veliku bačvu
08:55
and you fillispuniti that with liquidtekući metalmetal,
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i napuniti ju tekućim metalom,
08:57
and you spinzavrtiti the liquidtekući metalmetal
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i vrtite tekući metal
08:58
to openotvoren a vortexvrtlog in the centercentar,
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kako bi se stvorio vrtlog u središtu,
09:00
a bitbit like your sinkumivaonik.
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nešto kao vaš umivaonik.
09:01
When you pullVuci the plugutikač on a sinkumivaonik, it makesmarke a vortexvrtlog.
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Kada otvorite čep na umivaoniku,
stvara se vrtlog.
09:03
And then you have some pistonsklipovi drivenupravljan by pressurepritisak
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I tada imate neke klipove koji su pokrenuti pritiskom
09:06
that goeside on the outsideizvan,
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koji se događa izvana,
09:07
and this compressesobloge the liquidtekući metalmetal
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i to komprimira tekući metal
09:09
around the plasmaplazma, and it compressesobloge it,
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oko plazme, i komprimira ju,
09:11
it getsdobiva hottertoplije, like a laserlaser,
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postaje toplija, kao laser,
09:12
and then it makesmarke fusionfuzija.
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i onda nastaje fuzija.
09:14
So it's a bitbit of a mixmiješati
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Tako da je to mješavina
09:15
betweenizmeđu a magnetizedmagnetizirana fusionfuzija
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između magnetizirane fuzije
09:16
and the laserlaser fusionfuzija.
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i laserske fuzije.
09:18
So those have a couplepar of very good advantagesprednosti.
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Tako da imaju nekoliko dobrih prednosti.
09:21
The liquidtekući metalmetal absorbsupija all the neutronsneutrona
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Tekući metal absorbira sve neutrone
09:23
and no neutronsneutrona hithit the wallzid,
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i nijedan neutron ne pogađa zid,
09:25
and thereforestoga there's no damagešteta to the machinemašina.
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i zato nema štete za stroj.
09:27
The liquidtekući metalmetal getsdobiva hotvruće,
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Tekući metal postaje vruć,
09:29
so you can pumppumpa that in a heattoplina exchangerizmjenjivač,
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tako da možete to
utisnuti u izmjenjivač topline,
09:31
make some steampara, spinzavrtiti a turbineturbina.
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napraviti paru, zavrtiti turbinu.
09:33
So that's a very convenientzgodan way of doing
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To je vrlo zgodan način
09:34
this partdio of the processpostupak.
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za napraviti ovaj dio procesa.
09:35
And finallykonačno, all the energyenergija to make the fusionfuzija happendogoditi se
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I na kraju, sva energija koja se koristi za fuziju
09:39
comesdolazi from steam-poweredparni-powered pistonsklipovi,
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dolazi od klipova pogonjenih parom,
09:41
whichkoji is way cheaperjeftinije than laserslaseri
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što je puno jeftinije od lasera
09:42
or superconductingsupravodljivih coilszavojnice.
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ili superprovodljivih zavojnica.
09:44
Now, this was all very good
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Sad, sve je to vrlo dobro
09:46
exceptosim for the problemproblem that it didn't quitedosta work.
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osim problema da ne radi baš.
09:48
(LaughterSmijeh)
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(Smijeh)
09:50
There's always a catchulov.
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Uvijek postoji kvaka.
09:51
So when you compressoblog that,
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Kada to komprimirate,
09:53
the plasmaplazma coolshladi down
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plazma se ohladi
09:55
fasterbrže than the compressionkompresija speedubrzati,
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brže nego brzina kompresije,
09:56
so you're tryingtežak to compressoblog it,
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tako da ju pokušavate komprimirati,
09:58
but the plasmaplazma cooledhlađeni down and
cooledhlađeni down and cooledhlađeni down
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ali se ona ohladila i ohladila i ohladila
10:00
and then it did absolutelyapsolutno nothing.
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i nije se dogodilo baš ništa.
10:02
So when I saw that, I said,
well, this is suchtakav a shamesram,
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Kada sam to vidio, rekao sam, baš šteta,
10:04
because it's a very, very good ideaideja.
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jer je to jako, jako dobra ideja.
10:06
So hopefullynadajmo se I can improvepoboljšati on that.
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Nadam se da to mogu popraviti.
10:08
So I thought about it for a minuteminuta,
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Tako da sam mislio o tome koju minutu
10:09
and I said, okay, how can we make that work better?
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i rekao, u redu, što imamo da radi bolje?
10:11
So then I thought about impactudar.
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I onda sam pomislio o udaru.
10:13
What about if we use a bigvelika hammerčekić
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Što ako uzmemo velik čekić
10:15
and we swingljuljati it and we hithit the nailčavao like this,
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i zamahnemo njim i udarimo čavao ovako,
10:18
in the placemjesto of puttingstavljanje the hammerčekić on the nailčavao
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umjesto da stavimo čekić na čavao
10:20
and pushingguranje and try to put it in? That won'tnavika work.
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i pokušamo ga ugurati unutra? To neće raditi.
10:22
So what the ideaideja is
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Ideja je da
10:24
is to use the ideaideja of an impactudar.
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koristimo ideju udara.
10:25
So we accelerateubrzati the pistonsklipovi with steampara,
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Tako da ubrzamo klipove parom,
10:28
that takes a little bitbit of time,
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za što treba malo vremena,
10:29
but then, bangprasak! you hithit the pistonklip,
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i onda, bum! udarite klip,
10:31
and, baffbaff!, all the energyenergija is doneučinio instantlyodmah,
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i baf!, sva energija se stvori odmah,
10:33
down instantlyodmah to the liquidtekući,
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odmah do tekućine,
10:35
and that compressesobloge the plasmaplazma much fasterbrže.
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i to komprimira plazmu puno brže.
10:37
So I decidedodlučio, okay, this is good, let's make that.
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tako da sam odlučio,
u redu, ovo je dobro, napravimo to.
10:39
So we builtizgrađen this machinemašina in this garagegaraža here.
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Tako da smo izgradili ovaj stroj u garaži.
10:43
We madenapravljen a smallmali machinemašina
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Napravili smo mali stroj
10:44
that we managedupravlja to squeezeiscijediti
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iz kojeg smo uspjeli izvući
10:46
a little bitbit of neutronsneutrona out of that,
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malo neutrona,
10:48
and those are my marketingMarketing neutronsneutrona,
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i to su moji neutroni za prodaju,
10:50
and with those marketingMarketing neutronsneutrona,
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i s tim neutronima za prodaju,
10:52
then I raiseduzdignut about 50 millionmilijuna dollarsdolara,
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skupio sam 50 milijuna dolara,
10:54
and I hiredzaposlen 65 people. That's my teamtim here.
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i zaposlio 65 ljudi. To je moj tim ondje.
10:57
And this is what we want to buildizgraditi.
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I to je ono što želimo izgraditi.
10:59
So it's going to be a bigvelika machinemašina,
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Bit će to velik stroj,
11:00
about threetri metersmetara in diameterpromjer,
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širok oko tri metra u promjeru,
11:02
liquidtekući leaddovesti spinningpredenje around,
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tekuće olovo se vrti,
11:03
bigvelika vortexvrtlog in the centercentar,
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veliki vrtlog u centru,
11:05
put the plasmaplazma on the topvrh and on the bottomdno,
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stavite plazmu na vrh i dno,
11:07
pistonklip hitshitovi on the sidestrana,
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klipovi udaraju sa strane,
11:09
bangprasak!, it compressesobloge it,
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bang!, komprimirano je,
11:10
and it will make some energyenergija,
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i stvorit će nešto energije,
11:11
and the neutronneutrona will come out in the liquidtekući metalmetal,
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i neutron će izaći u tekućem metalu,
11:14
going to go in a steampara enginemotor and make the turbineturbina,
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ući u parni stroj i učinit će da se turbina
11:16
and some of the steampara will go back
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i nešto pare će se vratiti
11:18
to firevatra the pistonklip.
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kako bi pokrenuli klip.
11:19
We're going to runtrčanje that about one time perpo seconddrugi,
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To ćemo pokretati jednom u sekundi,
11:21
and it will produceproizvoditi 100 megawattsmegavata of electricityelektricitet.
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i stvarat će 100 megavata struje.
11:26
Okay, we alsotakođer builtizgrađen this injectorinjektor,
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U redu, također smo
sagradili ovaj ubrizgivač,
11:28
so this injectorinjektor makesmarke the plasmaplazma to startpočetak with.
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tako da on pravi plazmu na početku.
11:30
It makesmarke the plasmaplazma at about
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Stvara plazmu
11:32
a lukewarmmlaka temperaturetemperatura of threetri millionmilijuna degreesstupnjeva C.
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na temperaturi od tri milijarde
stupnjeva celzijusovih.
11:36
UnfortunatelyNažalost, it doesn't last quitedosta long enoughdovoljno,
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Na nesreću, ne traje dovoljno dugo,
11:38
so we need to extendprodužiti the life
of the plasmaplazma a little bitbit,
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tako da moramo produljiti život plazme,
11:41
but last monthmjesec it got a lot better,
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ali prošlog mjeseca poboljšalo se,
11:43
so I think we have the plasmaplazma compressingsažimanje now.
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tako da mislim da imamo
komprimiranje plazme sada.
11:45
Then we builtizgrađen a smallmali spheresfera, about this bigvelika,
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Potom smo izgradili malu sferu,
ove veličine,
11:48
14 pistonsklipovi around it,
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sa 14 klipova oko nje,
11:50
and this will compressoblog the liquidtekući.
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i to će komprimirati tekućinu.
11:52
HoweverMeđutim, plasmaplazma is difficulttežak to compressoblog.
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Ali, plazmu je teško komprimirati.
11:54
When you compressoblog it,
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Kada ju komprimirate,
11:55
it tendsteži to go a little bitbit crookednepošten like that,
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ona se malo zakrivi,
11:57
so you need the timingvrijeme of the pistonklip
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tako da trebate dobro
11:59
to be very good,
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tempirati klipove,
12:00
and for that we use severalnekoliko controlkontrolirati systemssustavi,
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i za to koristimo nekoliko kontrolnih sustava,
12:03
whichkoji was not possiblemoguće in 1970,
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što nije bilo moguće 1970.,
12:05
but we now can do that
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ali sad to možemo učiniti
12:06
with nicelijepo, newnovi electronicselektronika.
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sa lijepom, novom elektronikom.
12:10
So finallykonačno, mostnajviše people think that fusionfuzija
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Većina ljudi misli da je fuzija
12:12
is in the futurebudućnost and will never happendogoditi se,
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u budućnosti i neće se dogoditi,
12:14
but as a matterstvar of factčinjenica, fusionfuzija is gettinguzimajući very closeblizu.
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ali zapravo, fuzija je vrlo blizu.
12:17
We are almostskoro there.
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Skoro smo tamo.
12:18
The bigvelika labslaboratoriji have shownprikazan that fusionfuzija is doableizvedivo,
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Veliki laboratoriji su pokazali da je izvediva,
12:21
and now there are smallmali companiestvrtke
that are thinkingmišljenje about that,
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i sada postoje male tvrtke
koje o tome razmišljaju,
12:23
and they say, it's not that it cannotNe možete be doneučinio,
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i kažu da to nije nemoguće učiniti,
12:26
but it's how to make it cost-effectivelyekonomično.
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već se treba usredotočiti
da bude isplativo.
12:28
GeneralOpće FusionFuzija is one of those smallmali companiestvrtke,
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General Fusion jedna je od tih malih tvrtki,
12:30
and hopefullynadajmo se, very soonuskoro, somebodyneko, someonenetko,
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i nadam se, vrlo uskoro, netko će
12:33
will crackpukotina that nutorah,
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to riješiti,
12:35
and perhapsmožda it will be GeneralOpće FusionFuzija.
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i možda će to biti General Fusion.
12:36
Thank you very much.
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Hvala vam.
12:38
(ApplausePljesak)
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(Pljesak)
Translated by Ivan Stamenkovic
Reviewed by Ivana Gole

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Michel Laberge - Plasma physicist
In a lab near Vancouver, Michel Laberge and his team at General Fusion are building a prototype fusion reactor that mimics the processes of the sun to produce cheap, clean and abundant energy.

Why you should listen
Fusion, putting it briefly, is what happens inside the sun: intense heat and pressure combine to convert hydrogen into helium, releasing heat and energy in a self-sustaining reaction. Harnessing that same kind of reaction could someday solve the energy crisis here on Earth, and the US (at the National Ignition Facility in California, using the world's most powerful laser), Europe (at ITER) and China are all working on fusion in multi-billion-dollar labs. Meanwhile, just outside Vancouver, a private-government collaboration spending millions-with-an-m is keeping pace.
 
At General Fusion, plasma physicist Michel Laberge hopes to start a fusion reaction by combining several techniques in one reactor. Inside a spherical chamber, molten lead-lithium is spun up into a vortex, then shot with a pulse of magnetically contained plasma -- meanwhile, around the edge of the sphere, an array of pistons will drive a pressure wave into the center of the sphere, compressing the plasma to fusion conditions. General Fusion is designing and protoyping each piece of this system.
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Michel Laberge | Speaker | TED.com

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