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Carrie Poppy: A scientific approach to the paranormal
Carrie Poppy: Znanstveni pristup paranormalnom
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Što opsjeda Carrie Poppy? Jesu li duhovi ili nešto još gore? U ovom govoru, istražiteljska novinarka pripovijeda o svom susretu s jezivim osjećajem o kojem ćeš htjeti upozoriti svoje prijatelje, i objašnjava zašto nam znanost treba za snalaženje s paranormalnom aktivnošću.
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
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00:12
Eight years ago, I was haunted
by an evil spirit.
by an evil spirit.
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Prije osam godina, opsjedao me zao duh.
00:20
I was 25 at the time,
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Tada sam imala 25 godina
i živjela sam u malenoj kući
iza nečije kuće
iza nečije kuće
00:22
and I was living in a tiny house
behind someone else's house
behind someone else's house
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u Los Angelesu.
00:26
in Los Angeles.
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Bila je to gostinjska kuća,
prilično trošna,
prilično trošna,
00:28
It was this guest house,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
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dugo nije bila zbrinuta.
00:31
not taken care of for a long time.
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Jedne sam noći sjedila
00:34
And one night, I was sitting there
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i osjetila sam neki jeziv osjećaj,
00:38
and I got this really spooky feeling,
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kao da me netko gleda.
00:42
kind of the feeling
like you're being watched.
like you're being watched.
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No nije bilo nikoga osim moja dva psa,
00:45
But no one was there except my two dogs,
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a oni su samo grizli svoje noge.
00:48
and they were just chewing their feet.
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00:51
And I looked around. No one was there.
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Pogledala sam oko sebe.
Nije bilo nikoga.
Nije bilo nikoga.
Mislila sam: OK,
to je samo moja mašta.
to je samo moja mašta.
00:55
And I thought, OK,
it's just my imagination.
it's just my imagination.
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No osjećaj se samo pogoršavao,
00:59
But the feeling just kept getting worse,
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i počela sam osjećati
nekakav pritisak u prsima,
nekakav pritisak u prsima,
01:02
and I started to feel
this pressure in my chest,
this pressure in my chest,
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poput osjećaja koji dobiješ
kad čuješ loše vijesti.
kad čuješ loše vijesti.
01:07
sort of like the feeling
when you get bad news.
when you get bad news.
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No počeo se sve više spuštati
01:10
But it started to sink lower and lower
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i skoro boljeti.
01:13
and almost hurt.
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01:16
And over the course of that week,
this feeling got worse and worse,
this feeling got worse and worse,
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Kroz taj tjedan,
osjećaj se samo pogoršavao,
osjećaj se samo pogoršavao,
pa sam postala uvjerena
da je nešto tamo
da je nešto tamo
01:19
and I started to become convinced
that something was there
that something was there
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u mojoj malenoj gostinjskoj kući,
da me opsjeda.
da me opsjeda.
01:25
in my little guest house, haunting me.
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01:30
And I started to hear these sounds,
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Počela sam čuti zvukove,
nekakav "whoosh", poput šapta,
kao da nešto prolazi kroz mene.
kao da nešto prolazi kroz mene.
01:33
this "whoosh," kind of whisper,
like something passing through me.
like something passing through me.
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01:40
I called my best friend, Claire, and said,
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Nazvala sam svoju najbolju prijateljicu,
Claire, i rekla,
Claire, i rekla,
01:45
"I know this is going to sound crazy,
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"Znam da će ovo zvučati ludo,
no, hm ...
01:48
but, um ...
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mislim da je duh u mojoj kući,
i moram ga se riješiti."
i moram ga se riješiti."
01:50
I think there's a ghost in my house,
and I need to get rid of it."
and I need to get rid of it."
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A ona je rekla -- ima vrlo otvoren um --
i reče,
i reče,
01:55
And she said -- she's very
open-minded -- and she said,
open-minded -- and she said,
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"Ne mislim da si luda.
02:00
"I don't think you're crazy.
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Mislim da bi trebala
napraviti ritual pročišćenja."
napraviti ritual pročišćenja."
02:01
I think you just need
to do a cleansing ritual."
to do a cleansing ritual."
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(Smijeh)
02:05
(Laughter)
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02:07
"So get some sage and burn it,
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"Nabavi kadulju, zapali ju,
i reci duhu da ode."
02:12
and tell it to go away."
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Rekla sam, "OK,"
pa otišla i kupila kadulju.
pa otišla i kupila kadulju.
02:15
So I said, "OK,"
and I went and I bought sage.
and I went and I bought sage.
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Nikad to prije nisam radila,
pa sam zapalila kadulju,
pa sam zapalila kadulju,
02:19
I had never done this before,
so I set the sage on fire,
so I set the sage on fire,
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mahala njome i rekla, "Odlazi!
Ovo je moja kuća! Ja tu živim.
Ovo je moja kuća! Ja tu živim.
02:23
waved it about, and said, "Go away!
This is my house! I live here.
This is my house! I live here.
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Ti tu ne živiš!"
02:29
You don't live here!"
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02:32
But the feeling stayed.
Nothing got better.
Nothing got better.
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No osjećaj je ostao.
Ništa se nije poboljšalo.
Ništa se nije poboljšalo.
Onda sam pomislila,
02:35
And then I started to think,
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OK, sad mi se ova stvar
vjerojatno samo smije
vjerojatno samo smije
02:38
OK, well now this thing is probably
just laughing at me,
just laughing at me,
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jer nije otišao,
02:40
because it hasn't left,
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a ja samo izgledam kao
nesposobno, nemoćno biće
nesposobno, nemoćno biće
02:43
and I probably just look like
this impotent, powerless thing
this impotent, powerless thing
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koje ga nije moglo otjerati.
02:46
that couldn't get it to go away.
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Svaki dan bih došla kući i,
02:48
So every day I'd come home
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taj bi osjećaj bio tako loš
-- sad se tome smijem --
-- sad se tome smijem --
02:52
and you guys, this feeling got so bad
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
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no sjedila bih ondje u krevetu
i svake noći plakala.
i svake noći plakala.
02:58
but I would sit there in bed
and cry every night.
and cry every night.
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03:03
And the feeling on my chest
got worse and worse.
got worse and worse.
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A osjećaj u mojim prsima
samo se pogoršavao.
samo se pogoršavao.
Bilo je fizički bolno.
03:08
It was physically painful.
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Čak sam otišla psihijatru
03:11
And I even went to a psychiatrist
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i pitala ju da mi napiše recept za lijek,
03:14
and tried to get her
to prescribe me medicine,
to prescribe me medicine,
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a ona je rekla da neće
samo jer nemam šizofreniju, OK.
samo jer nemam šizofreniju, OK.
03:18
and she wouldn't just because
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
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(Smijeh)
03:22
(Laughter)
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03:25
So finally I got on the internet,
and I Googled "hauntings."
and I Googled "hauntings."
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Napokon sam otišla na internet
i potražila na Googlu "opsjedanja."
i potražila na Googlu "opsjedanja."
Naišla sam na forum
lovaca na duhove.
lovaca na duhove.
03:32
And I came upon this forum
of ghost hunters.
of ghost hunters.
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No bili su posebna vrsta
lovaca na duhove --
lovaca na duhove --
03:35
But these were a special
kind of ghost hunters --
kind of ghost hunters --
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bili su skeptici.
03:38
they were skeptics.
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Vjerovali su da je svaki slučaj
koji su do tad istraživali
koji su do tad istraživali
03:39
They believed that every case of ghosts
that they had investigated so far
that they had investigated so far
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mogao biti objašnjen znanošću.
03:45
had been explained away by science.
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Pa sam rekla, "OK, pametni ljudi,
ovo mi se događa,
ovo mi se događa,
03:47
And I was like, "OK, smart guys,
this is what's happening to me,
this is what's happening to me,
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ako imate nekakvo objašnjenje,
voljela bih ga čuti."
voljela bih ga čuti."
03:51
and if you have an explanation for me,
I would love to hear it."
I would love to hear it."
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I jedan od njih reče, "OK.
03:55
And one of them said, "OK.
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Hm, jesi li čula
za trovanje ugljikovim monoksidom?"
za trovanje ugljikovim monoksidom?"
03:58
Um, have you heard
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
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04:04
And I said, "Yeah.
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I rekoh, "Da.
Nešto kao trovanje plinom?"
04:09
Like, gas poisoning?"
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Do trovanja ugljikovim monoksidom dođe
04:12
Carbon monoxide poisoning
is when you have a gas leak
is when you have a gas leak
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kad plin curi u tvom domu.
04:15
leaking into your home.
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Malo sam istraživala, i simptomi
trovanja ugljikovim monoksidom
trovanja ugljikovim monoksidom
04:17
I looked it up, and the symptoms
of carbon monoxide poisoning
of carbon monoxide poisoning
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uključuju pritisak u prsima,
04:23
include a pressure on your chest,
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zvučne halucinacije -- whoosh --
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auditory hallucinations -- whoosh --
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i neobjašnjeni osjećaj straha.
04:30
and an unexplained feeling of dread.
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04:35
So that night, I called the gas company.
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Te noći nazvala sam tvrtku za plin.
Rekoh, "Imam hitan slučaj.
Mislim da trebate doći.
Mislim da trebate doći.
04:38
I said, "I have an emergency.
I need you to come out.
I need you to come out.
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Ne želim sad objašnjavati priču,
no stvarno trebate doći."
no stvarno trebate doći."
04:42
I don't want to get into the story now,
but I need you to come out."
but I need you to come out."
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(Smijeh)
04:45
(Laughter)
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Došli su. Rekoh,
"Vjerujem da postoji curenje plina."
"Vjerujem da postoji curenje plina."
04:46
They came out. I said,
"I suspect a gas leak."
"I suspect a gas leak."
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Donijeli su svoj detektor
ugljikova monoksida,
ugljikova monoksida,
04:49
They brought their carbon
monoxide detector,
monoxide detector,
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i čovjek reče,
04:51
and the man said,
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"Stvarno je dobro
da ste nas večeras pozvali,
da ste nas večeras pozvali,
04:54
"It's a really good thing
that you called us tonight,
that you called us tonight,
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jer biste u suprotnom
ubrzo bili mrtvi."
ubrzo bili mrtvi."
04:57
because you could have been
dead very soon."
dead very soon."
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05:01
Thirty-seven percent of Americans
believe in haunted houses,
believe in haunted houses,
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37% Amerikanaca
vjeruje da žive u ukletim kućama,
vjeruje da žive u ukletim kućama,
i pitam se koji stvarno žive u jednoj,
05:07
and I wonder how many of them
have been in one
have been in one
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a koji su u opasnosti.
05:11
and how many of them have been in danger.
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05:16
So that haunting story
has led me to my job.
has led me to my job.
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Ta priča o opsjedanju
dovela me do mog posla.
dovela me do mog posla.
05:21
I'm an investigator, and I'm
an investigator in two senses:
an investigator in two senses:
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Istražiteljica sam,
i to u dva smisla:
i to u dva smisla:
Istražiteljska sam novinarka,
05:24
I'm an investigative journalist,
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no također sam i istražitelj paranormalnog
05:26
and I'm also an investigator
of the claims of the paranormal
of the claims of the paranormal
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i duhovnog.
05:29
and claims of the spiritual.
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A to znači par stvari.
05:31
And that means a few things.
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Nekad se pravim da mi treba egzorcizam
05:32
Sometimes that means that I'm pretending
to need an exorcism
to need an exorcism
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da mogu -- da, tako je! --
da mogu otići egzorcistu
da mogu otići egzorcistu
05:36
so I can get -- yes, that's right! --
so I can go to an exorcist
so I can go to an exorcist
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i vidjeti koristi li iluzije
ili psihološke trikove
ili psihološke trikove
05:41
and see if he's using gimmicks
or psychological tricks
or psychological tricks
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kako bi nekog uvjerio
da je opsjednut.
da je opsjednut.
05:45
to try to convince someone
that they're possessed.
that they're possessed.
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Nekad to znači da se pravim
kako sam dio marginalne grupe
kako sam dio marginalne grupe
05:47
Sometimes that means
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
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o čemu onda izvještavam za podcast
na kojem sam jedna od voditeljica.
na kojem sam jedna od voditeljica.
05:51
which I report on
for a podcast that I co-host.
for a podcast that I co-host.
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Napravila sam više od 70 takvih istraga
s drugim voditeljem, Rossom.
s drugim voditeljem, Rossom.
05:54
And I've done over 70 investigations
like this with my co-host, Ross.
like this with my co-host, Ross.
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Voljela bih vam reći
da znanost pobjeđuje 9 puta od 10,
da znanost pobjeđuje 9 puta od 10,
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I would love to tell you
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
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spašava dan, sve objašnjava.
06:04
saves the day, it's all explained.
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To nije istina.
06:07
That's not true.
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Istina je da znanost pobjeđuje,
spašava dan, u svih 10 slučajeva.
spašava dan, u svih 10 slučajeva.
06:08
The truth is, 10 times out of 10,
science wins, it saves the day.
science wins, it saves the day.
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(Pljesak)
06:14
(Applause)
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06:27
And that doesn't mean
there's no such thing as a mystery.
there's no such thing as a mystery.
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To ne znači da misteriji ne postoje.
Naravno da postoje,
no misterij je misterij.
no misterij je misterij.
06:29
Of course there are mysteries,
but a mystery is a mystery.
but a mystery is a mystery.
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Nije duh.
06:33
It is not a ghost.
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06:36
Now, I believe there are
two kinds of truth,
two kinds of truth,
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Vjerujem da postoje dvije vrste istine,
i trebalo mi je vremena da do ovdje dođem,
no mislim da je ispravno,
no mislim da je ispravno,
06:40
and it's taken me a while to get
to this place, but I think this is right,
to this place, but I think this is right,
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pa me poslušajte.
06:44
so hear me out.
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Mislim da postoji vanjska istina
i unutarnja istina.
i unutarnja istina.
06:45
I think there is outer truth
and there's inner truth.
and there's inner truth.
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Ako mi kažeš,
06:48
So if you say to me,
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"Isus je nekoć postojao,"
06:52
"There was a man named Jesus
and he once existed,"
and he once existed,"
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to je vanjska istina, zar ne?
06:54
that's outer truth, right?
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Možemo pregledati povijesne zapise.
06:56
And we can go and look
at the historical record.
at the historical record.
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Možemo odrediti čini li se to istinitim.
06:58
We can determine
whether that seems to be true.
whether that seems to be true.
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Ja bih rekla, čini se istinitim.
07:01
And I would argue,
it does seem to be true.
it does seem to be true.
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Ako kažeš, "Isus je iskrsnuo iz mrtvih,"
-- ooh, još teže.
-- ooh, još teže.
07:03
If you say, "Jesus rose
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
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(Smijeh)
07:09
(Laughter)
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07:12
I would say that's an outer-truth claim,
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Rekla bih da je to tvrdnja vanjske istine,
jer je ili fizički uskrsnuo, ili nije.
07:19
because he physically rose or he didn't.
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Neću ulaziti u to je li
ili nije uskrsnuo,
ili nije uskrsnuo,
07:21
I'm not going to get into
whether he rose or he didn't,
whether he rose or he didn't,
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no rekla bih da je to
tvrdnja vanjske istine.
tvrdnja vanjske istine.
07:24
but I would say
that's an outer-truth claim.
that's an outer-truth claim.
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07:26
It happened or it didn't happen.
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Ili se dogodilo, ili nije.
No ako kažeš, "Nije me briga
je li uskrsnuo.
je li uskrsnuo.
07:28
But if you say, "I don't care
whether he rose from the dead.
whether he rose from the dead.
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Simbolički mi je važno,
07:31
It's symbolically important to me,
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ta mi je metafora tako značajna,
tako bitna
tako bitna
07:34
and that metaphor is so meaningful,
so purposeful to me,
so purposeful to me,
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da te neću ni probati
uvjeravati u suprotno,"
uvjeravati u suprotno,"
07:37
and I'm not going to try
to persuade you of it,"
to persuade you of it,"
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sad si se pomaknuo
iz vanjske istine u unutarnju,
iz vanjske istine u unutarnju,
07:39
now you've moved it
from outer truth to inner truth,
from outer truth to inner truth,
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iz znanosti u umjetnost.
07:42
from science to art.
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Često imamo sklonost
ne razlikovati ih,
ne razlikovati ih,
07:44
And I think we have a tendency
to not be clear about this,
to not be clear about this,
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pokušavamo pomaknuti svoje unutarnje
u vanjske istine,
u vanjske istine,
07:47
to try to move our inner truths
to outer truths,
to outer truths,
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ili nismo iskreni prema drugima,
07:50
or to not be fair about it to each other,
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pa, kad nam drugi govore
svoje unutarnje istine,
svoje unutarnje istine,
07:53
and when people are telling us
their inner truths,
their inner truths,
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tražimo da ih brane
standardima za vanjske istine.
standardima za vanjske istine.
07:56
to try to make them defend them
by outer-truth standards.
by outer-truth standards.
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Govorim o vanjskoj istini,
o objektivnim stvarima.
o objektivnim stvarima.
07:59
So I'm talking here about outer truth,
about objective things.
about objective things.
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08:03
And there was an objective reality
in my haunted house, right?
in my haunted house, right?
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Postoji objektivna stvarnost
u mojoj ukletoj kući, zar ne?
u mojoj ukletoj kući, zar ne?
Kad sam vam rekla o curenju plina,
08:08
Now that I've told you about the gas leak,
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sumnjam da netko još uvijek govori,
08:10
I doubt a single person here
would be like,
would be like,
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"Još uvijek mislim da se radi o duhu" --
08:13
"I still think there was a ghost, too" --
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(Smijeh)
08:15
(Laughter)
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jer čim imamo ova znanstvena objašnjenja,
08:16
because as soon as we have
these scientific explanations,
these scientific explanations,
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znamo da trebamo otpisati duha.
08:18
we know to give up the ghost.
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Sve to koristimo kao privremena sredstva
za ono što ne možemo objasniti.
za ono što ne možemo objasniti.
08:20
We use these things as stopgaps
for things that we can't explain.
for things that we can't explain.
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Ne vjerujemo u njih zbog dokaza;
08:24
We don't believe them because of evidence;
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vjerujemo u njih zbog manjka dokaza.
08:26
we believe them because
of a lack of evidence.
of a lack of evidence.
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08:30
So there is a group in Los Angeles
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Postoji jedna skupina u Los Angelesu,
Neovisna Istraživačka Grupa,
ili NIG,
ili NIG,
08:32
called the Independent
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
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i čine odlične stvari.
08:36
and they do great work.
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Dat će nagradu
od 10,000 dolara
od 10,000 dolara
08:38
They'll give a $10,000 prize
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onom tko može dokazati,
pod znanstvenim uvjetima,
pod znanstvenim uvjetima,
08:41
to anyone who can show,
under scientific conditions,
under scientific conditions,
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da imaju paranormalnu sposobnost.
08:45
that they have a paranormal ability.
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Nitko još nije uspio,
08:48
No one's done it yet,
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08:49
but they've had a couple people
who claim that they were clairaudients,
who claim that they were clairaudients,
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no bilo je nekoliko ljudi
koji tvrde da imaju nadsluh,
koji tvrde da imaju nadsluh,
što znači da čuju glasove
iz zagrobnog života
iz zagrobnog života
08:54
which means that they can hear voices
either from the great beyond
either from the great beyond
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ili da mogu čitati misli.
08:59
or they can read minds.
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Imali su jednu jako iskrenu osobu
09:00
And they had one person
who was very sincere,
who was very sincere,
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koja je vjerovala da može čitati misli.
09:03
who believed that he could read minds.
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09:06
And a lot of these people --
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Dogovorili su test s njim
i uvijek funkcionira ovako.
i uvijek funkcionira ovako.
09:09
(Laughter)
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09:12
That wasn't a laugh line, but OK.
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Grupa kaže, "OK, imamo protokol,
testirat ćemo ovo na znanstveni način.
09:15
A lot of these people really are sincere,
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Slažeš li se s tim?"
Osoba pristane. Onda ju testiraju.
09:20
and I believe this guy was.
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Vrlo je bitno da se obje strane slože.
09:22
He really thought he had this power.
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Napravili su to, testirali su ga.
09:24
So they set up a test with him,
and this is the way it always works.
and this is the way it always works.
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Rekli su, "OK, znaš što?
Nisi mogao predvidjeti
o čemu Lisa razmišlja.
o čemu Lisa razmišlja.
09:30
The group says, "OK, we have a protocol,
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Podudaralo se s vjerojatnošću.
09:32
we have a way to scientifically test this.
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Izgleda da nemaš moć."
09:34
Do you agree with it?"
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To im je, ipak, dalo priliku
09:35
The person says yes. Then they test it.
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da sjednu i imaju težak razgovor s njim,
09:37
It's very important that both sides agree.
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09:39
They did that, they tested him.
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koji je, otprilike, bio ovakav,
09:42
They said, "OK, you know what?
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"Hej, znamo da si iskren,
što znači
što znači
09:44
You weren't able to predict
what Lisa was thinking.
what Lisa was thinking.
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09:48
It matched up about the same as chance.
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da stvarno čuješ nešto u glavi."
09:50
Looks like you don't have the power."
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Taj je čovjek morao donijeti tešku,
09:52
And that gave them the opportunity
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09:54
to compassionately sit down with him
and have a very difficult discussion,
and have a very difficult discussion,
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ali transformativnu odluku
o potražnji pomoći.
o potražnji pomoći.
09:59
which basically amounted to,
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10:01
"Hey, we know you're sincere,
and what that means is,
and what that means is,
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Pomažemo ljudima u povezivanju onog
10:06
you do hear something in your head."
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za što su mislili
da postoje nadzemaljska objašnjenja.
da postoje nadzemaljska objašnjenja.
10:08
And that's a tough thing to face.
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10:11
(Laughter) (Applause)
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pomažemo dovesti se u stvarnost,
a možda i promijeniti svoje živote nabolje.
a možda i promijeniti svoje živote nabolje.
10:16
But that day, that guy got to make
the very difficult decision,
the very difficult decision,
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S druge strane,
možda će jednom biti istina.
možda će jednom biti istina.
10:22
but really the life-changing decision
about whether to go get help.
about whether to go get help.
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Možda ćemo otkriti da duhovi postoje,
i dovraga, bit će tako dobro!
10:29
(Laughter)
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Svaki put kad imam novu istragu,
tako sam uzbuđena,
10:31
But that really could be
the first day of the rest of your life,
the first day of the rest of your life,
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čak i ako sam ih već imala 75,
vjerujem u 76.,
mislim, "To je ona prava!"
mislim, "To je ona prava!"
10:36
because when we challenge these beliefs,
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(Smijeh)
10:40
we're actually helping people
to make these connections
to make these connections
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Možda sam trajno optimistična,
no nadam se da nikad neću izgubiti nadu,
no nadam se da nikad neću izgubiti nadu,
10:45
that maybe before seemed like
otherworldly explanations,
otherworldly explanations,
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i pozivam vas da preuzmete isti stav
kad ljudi dijele svoja
vanjska vjerovanja s vama.
vanjska vjerovanja s vama.
10:50
help draw us into reality
and maybe change our lives for the better.
and maybe change our lives for the better.
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Kad govore o tvrdnjama
koje je moguće provjeriti,
koje je moguće provjeriti,
poštuj ih dovoljno
da postaviš dobra pitanja.
da postaviš dobra pitanja.
10:57
Now, on the other hand,
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
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Izazovi i vidi kako to možete
zajednički ispitati,
zajednički ispitati,
jer postoji ta ideja
da ne možeš poštovati vjerovanje
da ne možeš poštovati vjerovanje
11:03
Maybe we'll find out there are ghosts,
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i istovremeno ga propitkivati,
ali to nije istina.
ali to nije istina.
11:05
and holy shit, it will be the best thing!
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11:08
And every time I do
one of these investigations,
one of these investigations,
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Kad nešto probamo,
kad ispitujemo tvrdnju,
kad ispitujemo tvrdnju,
11:10
I still get so excited,
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time kažemo, OK, poštujem te,
slušam što govoriš,
slušam što govoriš,
11:12
and I'm like 75 into them,
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11:14
and still I swear on number 76,
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
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ispitati ću to s tobom.
Svi smo doživjeli
da nekome nešto govorimo
da nekome nešto govorimo
11:18
(Laughter)
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a da oni reagiraju s,
"O, to je stvarno zanimljivo, da,"
"O, to je stvarno zanimljivo, da,"
11:20
Maybe I'm just eternally optimistic,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
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znaš da te varaju.
11:24
and I invite you to take
this same attitude
this same attitude
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Ali kad netko kaže,
"Stvarno? Hm.
"Stvarno? Hm.
11:28
when people share
their outer beliefs with you.
their outer beliefs with you.
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Zvuči nedovršeno, ali slušam te,"
11:31
When talking about testable claims,
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bar znaš da te uključuju i poštuju.
11:33
respect them enough to ask
these good questions.
these good questions.
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Takav stav trebamo imati
prema ovim tvrdnjama.
prema ovim tvrdnjama.
11:37
Challenge and see
how you can examine them together,
how you can examine them together,
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To pokazuje nekome
da mariš za ono o čemu govore.
da mariš za ono o čemu govore.
11:40
because there's this idea
that you can't respect a belief
that you can't respect a belief
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To je poštovanje.
11:44
and still challenge it,
but that's not true.
but that's not true.
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I da, većina će potraga biti neuspješna,
11:47
When we jiggle the lock,
when we test the claim,
when we test the claim,
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11:49
we're saying, OK, I respect you,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
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no znanost je takva.
Nijedan dosadašnji
lijek za rak nije uspio,
lijek za rak nije uspio,
11:53
I'm going to test it out with you.
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11:55
We've all had that experience
where you're telling someone something,
where you're telling someone something,
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no ne prestajemo tražiti
11:59
and they're like, "Oh,
that's really interesting, yeah,"
that's really interesting, yeah,"
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zbog dva razloga.
Prvi je: odgovor je važan.
12:01
you know you're being had.
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Tražimo li zagrobni život, paranormalno
ili lijek za rak,
ili lijek za rak,
12:04
But when someone says, "Really? Huh.
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sve dolazi do istog pitanja:
12:08
Sounds a little sketchy to me,
but I'm listening,"
but I'm listening,"
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Koliko ćemo biti tu?
12:10
you at least know
you're being engaged and respected.
you're being engaged and respected.
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12:13
And that's the kind of attitude
we should have with these claims.
we should have with these claims.
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I drugi, jer tražiti istinu,
12:16
That's showing someone
that you care what they're saying.
that you care what they're saying.
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biti otvorena uma,
i biti spreman biti u krivu
i promijeniti cijeli svoj svjetonazor,
i promijeniti cijeli svoj svjetonazor,
12:19
That's respect.
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izaziva nadahnuće.
12:25
Now, yes, most of these searches
will come up empty,
will come up empty,
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Još uvijek sam uzbuđena
kad čujem priče o duhovima.
kad čujem priče o duhovima.
12:29
but that's how all of science works.
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Još uvijek smatram da svaka grupa
kojoj se pridružim može biti u pravu,
kojoj se pridružim može biti u pravu,
12:32
Every cure for cancer so far
has not panned out,
has not panned out,
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i nadam se da nikad neću izgubiti tu nadu.
Nemojmo nikad izgubiti nadu,
12:36
but we don't stop looking,
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jer tražiti nešto vani
12:38
for two reasons.
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pomaže nam shvatiti što je unutra.
12:40
Because number one, the answer matters.
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12:42
Whether it's looking at the afterlife
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
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I, molim vas, imajte
detektor ugljikova monoksida doma.
detektor ugljikova monoksida doma.
12:46
it all amounts to the same question:
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12:48
How long will we be here?
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Hvala vam.
(Pljesak)
12:52
And two, because looking for the truth,
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12:56
being open-minded,
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12:57
and being willing to be wrong
and to change your whole worldview
and to change your whole worldview
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13:02
is awe-inspiring.
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13:05
I still get excited at ghost stories
every single time.
every single time.
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13:09
I still consider that every group
I join might be right,
I join might be right,
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13:12
and I hope I never lose that hope.
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13:14
Let's all never lose that hope,
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13:15
because searching for what's out there
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13:18
helps us understand what's in here.
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13:21
And also, please have
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
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13:29
Thank you.
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13:30
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedianCarrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.
Why you should listen
On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.
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