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Carrie Poppy: A scientific approach to the paranormal
嘉莉 帕比: 用科學方法來解釋超自然現象
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嘉莉 帕比被什麼纏身了？是鬼或是什麼更糟糕的東西呢？在這個演講中，調查記者解說了令她感到毛骨悚然的遭遇，是你和你的朋友應該要警覺的。她也解釋為什麼我們需要用科學來解釋超自然現象。
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio
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八年前，我曾被惡靈糾纏。
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Eight years ago, I was haunted
by an evil spirit.
by an evil spirit.
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I was 25 at the time,
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當時我 25 歲，
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and I was living in a tiny house
behind someone else's house
behind someone else's house
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住在別人房子後面的一個小房子裡，
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in Los Angeles.
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在洛杉磯。
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It was this guest house,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
it had kind of been dilapidated,
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就是這一間殘破不堪的客房，
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not taken care of for a long time.
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已經很長時間不曾被打理。
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And one night, I was sitting there
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一天晚上，我坐在那裡，
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and I got this really spooky feeling,
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突然有一股毛骨悚然的感覺。
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kind of the feeling
like you're being watched.
like you're being watched.
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就好比有人在某處觀察你。
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But no one was there except my two dogs,
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但是除了我的兩隻狗以外，
沒有人在周圍，
沒有人在周圍，
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and they were just chewing their feet.
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而且牠們當時在舔舐自己的腳。
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And I looked around. No one was there.
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我四處張望了一下，沒有任何人。
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And I thought, OK,
it's just my imagination.
it's just my imagination.
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於是我想，好吧，這只是我的幻想。
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But the feeling just kept getting worse,
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但是那種感覺越來越強烈，
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and I started to feel
this pressure in my chest,
this pressure in my chest,
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我開始感覺到胸部的壓迫感，
01:07
sort of like the feeling
when you get bad news.
when you get bad news.
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就像是你聽到壞消息的感覺。
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But it started to sink lower and lower
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那種壓迫感漸漸遍佈全身，
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and almost hurt.
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幾乎有種受傷的感覺，
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And over the course of that week,
this feeling got worse and worse,
this feeling got worse and worse,
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在那一週裡，這種感覺不斷惡化，
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and I started to become convinced
that something was there
that something was there
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於是我開始確信有「東西」在那裡，
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in my little guest house, haunting me.
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在我的小客房裡面，纏著我。
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And I started to hear these sounds,
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我開始聽到一些聲音，
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this "whoosh," kind of whisper,
like something passing through me.
like something passing through me.
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像是某種東西穿過我，嘶嘶低語。
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I called my best friend, Claire, and said,
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我打電話給最要好的朋友克萊爾，說：
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"I know this is going to sound crazy,
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「我知道這聽起來很不可思議。
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but, um ...
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但是，嗯......
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I think there's a ghost in my house,
and I need to get rid of it."
and I need to get rid of it."
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我覺得我家鬧鬼了，需要處理掉它。」
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And she said -- she's very
open-minded -- and she said,
open-minded -- and she said,
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她的思想開明，回答說：
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"I don't think you're crazy.
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「我不覺得你瘋了。
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I think you just need
to do a cleansing ritual."
to do a cleansing ritual."
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我覺得你只需要個驅邪的儀式。」
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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"So get some sage and burn it,
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「去買一些鼠尾草來燒，
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and tell it to go away."
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叫它滾開。」
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So I said, "OK,"
and I went and I bought sage.
and I went and I bought sage.
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於是我說：「好的。」
然後我去買了一些鼠尾草。
然後我去買了一些鼠尾草。
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I had never done this before,
so I set the sage on fire,
so I set the sage on fire,
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我未曾這樣做過，點燃了鼠尾草，
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waved it about, and said, "Go away!
This is my house! I live here.
This is my house! I live here.
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並四處揮舞著說：「快滾開！
這是我的家！我住在這裡。
你不住這裡！」
你不住這裡！」
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You don't live here!"
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But the feeling stayed.
Nothing got better.
Nothing got better.
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但是那種詭異的感覺仍在，
事情並沒好轉。
事情並沒好轉。
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And then I started to think,
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於是我開始思考，
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OK, well now this thing is probably
just laughing at me,
just laughing at me,
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好吧，也許這東西現在正在嘲笑我，
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because it hasn't left,
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因為它並沒有離去，
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and I probably just look like
this impotent, powerless thing
this impotent, powerless thing
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而且我無能為力、失去力氣，
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that couldn't get it to go away.
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無法叫它離開。
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So every day I'd come home
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所以每天我回到家，
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and you guys, this feeling got so bad
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
that -- I mean, I'm laughing at it now --
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你們知道嗎？這感覺真的很糟──
意思是，雖然我現在能笑著說這件事，
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but I would sit there in bed
and cry every night.
and cry every night.
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但我當時卻是每晚都坐在床上哭。
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And the feeling on my chest
got worse and worse.
got worse and worse.
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我胸口感覺越來越糟。
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It was physically painful.
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這是一種身體上的痛苦。
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And I even went to a psychiatrist
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我甚至去看了心理醫生，
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and tried to get her
to prescribe me medicine,
to prescribe me medicine,
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試著說服她開藥給我，
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and she wouldn't just because
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
I don't have schizophrenia, OK.
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她當然不會開藥給我，
因為我沒精神病。
因為我沒精神病。
啊，好吧。
03:22
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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So finally I got on the internet,
and I Googled "hauntings."
and I Googled "hauntings."
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最後，我上網搜尋「鬧鬼」。
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And I came upon this forum
of ghost hunters.
of ghost hunters.
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然後我找到了一個集結了驅魔師的論壇。
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But these were a special
kind of ghost hunters --
kind of ghost hunters --
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但是有這麼一類特別的驅魔師──
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they were skeptics.
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他們是懷疑論者。
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They believed that every case of ghosts
that they had investigated so far
that they had investigated so far
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他們相信目前為止他們所
調查的所有與鬼相關的案件中，
調查的所有與鬼相關的案件中，
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had been explained away by science.
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都可以被科學解釋。
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And I was like, "OK, smart guys,
this is what's happening to me,
this is what's happening to me,
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我說：「好吧，聰明的人們，
這是發生在我身上的事情。
這是發生在我身上的事情。
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and if you have an explanation for me,
I would love to hear it."
I would love to hear it."
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如果你們能解釋，我會很樂意聆聽。」
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And one of them said, "OK.
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他們其中一人說：
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Um, have you heard
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
of carbon monoxide poisoning?"
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「好。你聽過一氧化碳中毒嗎？」
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And I said, "Yeah.
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我說：「嗯，有啊。」
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Like, gas poisoning?"
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「像是瓦斯中毒？」
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Carbon monoxide poisoning
is when you have a gas leak
is when you have a gas leak
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一氧化碳中毒是瓦斯外洩到你的家中，
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leaking into your home.
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I looked it up, and the symptoms
of carbon monoxide poisoning
of carbon monoxide poisoning
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我查閱一氧化碳中毒的症狀，包括：
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include a pressure on your chest,
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胸口感受到壓力，
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auditory hallucinations -- whoosh --
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耳朵幻聽嘶嘶的聲音，
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and an unexplained feeling of dread.
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還有無法解釋的恐懼感。
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So that night, I called the gas company.
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所以那個晚上我打電話給瓦斯公司。
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I said, "I have an emergency.
I need you to come out.
I need you to come out.
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我說：「事態緊急，
我需要你們馬上出現！」
我需要你們馬上出現！」
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I don't want to get into the story now,
but I need you to come out."
but I need you to come out."
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「我現在不想解釋什麽，
但我需要你們馬上出現。」
但我需要你們馬上出現。」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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They came out. I said,
"I suspect a gas leak."
"I suspect a gas leak."
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他們出現後，我說：
「我懷疑我家瓦斯外洩。」
「我懷疑我家瓦斯外洩。」
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They brought their carbon
monoxide detector,
monoxide detector,
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他們拿出一氧化碳偵測器，然後說：
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and the man said,
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"It's a really good thing
that you called us tonight,
that you called us tonight,
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「你今晚打電話給我們真是做對了，
要不然你很快就會死了。」
要不然你很快就會死了。」
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because you could have been
dead very soon."
dead very soon."
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Thirty-seven percent of Americans
believe in haunted houses,
believe in haunted houses,
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37% 的美國人相信凶宅，
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and I wonder how many of them
have been in one
have been in one
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而我懷疑他們之中
有多少人真的住過凶宅，
有多少人真的住過凶宅，
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and how many of them have been in danger.
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又有多少人真的遭遇過危險。
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So that haunting story
has led me to my job.
has led me to my job.
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這個關於惡靈的故事
讓我從事了我的工作。
讓我從事了我的工作。
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I'm an investigator, and I'm
an investigator in two senses:
an investigator in two senses:
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我是個調查員，
調查的內容涉及兩塊：
調查的內容涉及兩塊：
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I'm an investigative journalist,
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我是一個調查記者，
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and I'm also an investigator
of the claims of the paranormal
of the claims of the paranormal
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同時我也研究那些
「超自然現象」和「靈魂」的宣稱。
「超自然現象」和「靈魂」的宣稱。
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and claims of the spiritual.
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And that means a few things.
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這代表了一些事情，
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Sometimes that means that I'm pretending
to need an exorcism
to need an exorcism
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有時候這代表
我必須假裝有驅魔的需求，
我必須假裝有驅魔的需求，
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so I can get -- yes, that's right! --
so I can go to an exorcist
so I can go to an exorcist
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然後我可以找個……對，就是這樣，
我可以去找一個驅魔師，
我可以去找一個驅魔師，
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and see if he's using gimmicks
or psychological tricks
or psychological tricks
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然後觀察他是不是
在耍花招或玩心理遊戲，
在耍花招或玩心理遊戲，
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to try to convince someone
that they're possessed.
that they're possessed.
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來使別人相信他們真的中邪了。
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Sometimes that means
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
I'm going undercover in a fringe group
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這也代表著身為和別人合作的播客，
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which I report on
for a podcast that I co-host.
for a podcast that I co-host.
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有時候我得偷偷混進
我做報告的邊緣團體。
我做報告的邊緣團體。
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And I've done over 70 investigations
like this with my co-host, Ross.
like this with my co-host, Ross.
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我和我的夥伴蘿絲也已經
做了超過 70 次像這樣的調查。
做了超過 70 次像這樣的調查。
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I would love to tell you
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
that nine times out of 10, science wins,
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我很想告訴你
十次有九次是科學勝出，
十次有九次是科學勝出，
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saves the day, it's all explained.
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科學救了大家，解釋了這一切。
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That's not true.
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但情況不是這樣。
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The truth is, 10 times out of 10,
science wins, it saves the day.
science wins, it saves the day.
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事實上十次中有十次
科學贏了，救了大家。
科學贏了，救了大家。
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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And that doesn't mean
there's no such thing as a mystery.
there's no such thing as a mystery.
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但這並不代表謎團不存在。
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Of course there are mysteries,
but a mystery is a mystery.
but a mystery is a mystery.
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當然還是有謎團，
但謎團就是謎團，
並不是鬼。
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It is not a ghost.
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06:36
Now, I believe there are
two kinds of truth,
two kinds of truth,
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我認為有兩種真相，
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and it's taken me a while to get
to this place, but I think this is right,
to this place, but I think this is right,
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花了一些時間我才想通，
我認為應該就是這樣，
所以請耐心聽我說。
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so hear me out.
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我認為有「外在真相」和「內在真相」。
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I think there is outer truth
and there's inner truth.
and there's inner truth.
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So if you say to me,
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如果你告訴我：
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"There was a man named Jesus
and he once existed,"
and he once existed,"
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「曾經有個名叫耶穌的人。」
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that's outer truth, right?
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這是外在真相，對吧？
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And we can go and look
at the historical record.
at the historical record.
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我們查看歷史紀錄
就可判斷是否屬實。
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We can determine
whether that seems to be true.
whether that seems to be true.
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07:01
And I would argue,
it does seem to be true.
it does seem to be true.
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而我會說，的確看似是個事實。
07:03
If you say, "Jesus rose
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
from the dead," -- ooh, trickier.
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如果你說：「耶穌從死裡復生。」
噢，那就有點棘手了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:12
I would say that's an outer-truth claim,
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我會說那是個外在真相的主張，
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because he physically rose or he didn't.
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要不祂復活了，要不祂沒復活。
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I'm not going to get into
whether he rose or he didn't,
whether he rose or he didn't,
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我並不是要探討祂到底復活了沒有。
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but I would say
that's an outer-truth claim.
that's an outer-truth claim.
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而是說：這是個外在真相的主張，
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It happened or it didn't happen.
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不論祂到底復活了沒有。
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But if you say, "I don't care
whether he rose from the dead.
whether he rose from the dead.
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但是，如果你說的是：
「我不管祂是不是從死裡復活，
「我不管祂是不是從死裡復活，
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It's symbolically important to me,
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這象徵對我很重要，
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and that metaphor is so meaningful,
so purposeful to me,
so purposeful to me,
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這隱喻非常有意義、意味很深遠，
07:37
and I'm not going to try
to persuade you of it,"
to persuade you of it,"
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而我也沒想要說服你。」
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now you've moved it
from outer truth to inner truth,
from outer truth to inner truth,
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你就已經轉外在真相為內在真相，
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from science to art.
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轉科學為藝術。
07:44
And I think we have a tendency
to not be clear about this,
to not be clear about this,
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我認為我們傾向於模糊兩者間的界線，
傾向於把內在真相變成外在真相，
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to try to move our inner truths
to outer truths,
to outer truths,
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or to not be fair about it to each other,
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或者，傾向於不平等地看待兩者，
07:53
and when people are telling us
their inner truths,
their inner truths,
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以致當人們告訴我們他們的內在真相時，
07:56
to try to make them defend them
by outer-truth standards.
by outer-truth standards.
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我們會試著叫他們用外在真相的準則
來為自己的內在真相辯護。
來為自己的內在真相辯護。
07:59
So I'm talking here about outer truth,
about objective things.
about objective things.
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我在此討論的是外在真相，
是客觀的事物。
是客觀的事物。
08:03
And there was an objective reality
in my haunted house, right?
in my haunted house, right?
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我的鬼屋有客觀的現實，對吧？
08:08
Now that I've told you about the gas leak,
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我已經說過是瓦斯外洩了，
08:10
I doubt a single person here
would be like,
would be like,
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在座應該不會有人說：
「我仍然認為那裡頭有鬼。」
「我仍然認為那裡頭有鬼。」
08:13
"I still think there was a ghost, too" --
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(笑聲)
08:15
(Laughter)
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因為一旦我們有了科學的解釋，
08:16
because as soon as we have
these scientific explanations,
these scientific explanations,
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08:18
we know to give up the ghost.
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就知道該放棄這些「鬼話」了。
08:20
We use these things as stopgaps
for things that we can't explain.
for things that we can't explain.
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我們用這些想法來暫時解決
我們所無法解釋的事情，
我們所無法解釋的事情，
08:24
We don't believe them because of evidence;
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有了事實證據，我們不再相信「鬼話」；
08:26
we believe them because
of a lack of evidence.
of a lack of evidence.
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只因為缺少證據才相信它。
08:30
So there is a group in Los Angeles
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在洛杉磯有個團體，
08:32
called the Independent
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
Investigations Group, or the IIG,
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叫做獨立調查組織，英文簡稱 IIG，
08:36
and they do great work.
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他們做了很棒的工作。
08:38
They'll give a $10,000 prize
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他們提供一萬元美金的獎賞，
08:41
to anyone who can show,
under scientific conditions,
under scientific conditions,
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給任何可以在科學佐證下，
08:45
that they have a paranormal ability.
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展現他們超自然能力的人。
08:48
No one's done it yet,
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目前為止還沒有人獲得奬金，
08:49
but they've had a couple people
who claim that they were clairaudients,
who claim that they were clairaudients,
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但他們遇到過幾個
聲稱自己有順風耳的人，
聲稱自己有順風耳的人，
08:54
which means that they can hear voices
either from the great beyond
either from the great beyond
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也就是說，他們能聽到
來自極遠之處的聲音，
來自極遠之處的聲音，
08:59
or they can read minds.
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或是能讀心。
09:00
And they had one person
who was very sincere,
who was very sincere,
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他們有個很誠實、
相信自己能讀心的人。
相信自己能讀心的人。
09:03
who believed that he could read minds.
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09:06
And a lot of these people --
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他們安排測試他，
09:09
(Laughter)
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事情的發展總是下面這樣。
09:12
That wasn't a laugh line, but OK.
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這團體說：「好！
我們有份科學實驗計劃，
我們有份科學實驗計劃，
可以用科學方法驗證你的能力。
09:15
A lot of these people really are sincere,
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你同意嗎？」
那個人說好，然後他們開始測試。
09:20
and I believe this guy was.
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雙方都同意是非常重要的。
09:22
He really thought he had this power.
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同意了，他們開始測試他。
09:24
So they set up a test with him,
and this is the way it always works.
and this is the way it always works.
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他們說：「好，你知道嗎？
你未能預測麗莎在想什麼。
09:30
The group says, "OK, we have a protocol,
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這只是偶然的吻合。
09:32
we have a way to scientifically test this.
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似乎你並沒有超能力。」
09:34
Do you agree with it?"
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這賦予他們一個機會，
09:35
The person says yes. Then they test it.
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懷抱著同理心，和他坐下來，
進行艱難的討論。
進行艱難的討論。
09:37
It's very important that both sides agree.
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09:39
They did that, they tested him.
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09:42
They said, "OK, you know what?
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基本上等同於，
「嘿！我們知道你的真誠，
09:44
You weren't able to predict
what Lisa was thinking.
what Lisa was thinking.
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意思是，
09:48
It matched up about the same as chance.
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你的確在自己的腦海裡
聽到了一些聲音。」
聽到了一些聲音。」
09:50
Looks like you don't have the power."
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那個人需要做個艱難的決定，
09:52
And that gave them the opportunity
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09:54
to compassionately sit down with him
and have a very difficult discussion,
and have a very difficult discussion,
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會改變命運的決定，
決定是否要尋求協助。
09:59
which basically amounted to,
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事實上我們是在幫助人們
將一些事情連起來，
將一些事情連起來，
10:01
"Hey, we know you're sincere,
and what that means is,
and what that means is,
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10:06
you do hear something in your head."
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將一些以前會用
「有另一個世界」來解釋的事
「有另一個世界」來解釋的事
10:08
And that's a tough thing to face.
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10:11
(Laughter) (Applause)
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拉回到現實層面，
而這或許可以讓我們的生活更美好。
10:16
But that day, that guy got to make
the very difficult decision,
the very difficult decision,
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另一方面，
或許哪天鬼會變成事實。
10:22
but really the life-changing decision
about whether to go get help.
about whether to go get help.
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或許我們會發現這世上真的有鬼。
真糟糕！這將會是最棒的事情！
10:29
(Laughter)
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每當我進行有關這方面的調查時，
我還是會非常興奮，
10:31
But that really could be
the first day of the rest of your life,
the first day of the rest of your life,
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就算經歷過 75 件這樣的事，
但我發誓，在碰到第 76 件
這樣的事情時，
這樣的事情時，
10:36
because when we challenge these beliefs,
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我會說：「肯定就是它了！」
(笑聲)
10:40
we're actually helping people
to make these connections
to make these connections
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或許我只是個永遠樂觀的人，
但願我永不放棄這樣的希望，
10:45
that maybe before seemed like
otherworldly explanations,
otherworldly explanations,
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我鼓勵你也抱着同樣的態度。
在別人和你分享他們的外在信念時。
10:50
help draw us into reality
and maybe change our lives for the better.
and maybe change our lives for the better.
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當談及可以被驗證的說法時，
尊重他們，提出好的問題，
10:57
Now, on the other hand,
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
maybe one time it'll turn out to be true.
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質疑，並一起看看
你們如何能共同驗證它。
你們如何能共同驗證它。
有這麼一個說法，認為
「不能質疑你所尊重的信念」，
11:03
Maybe we'll find out there are ghosts,
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11:05
and holy shit, it will be the best thing!
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這是不對的。
11:08
And every time I do
one of these investigations,
one of these investigations,
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當我們轉動鎖、檢視那些主張時，
11:10
I still get so excited,
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我們會說：「好，我尊重你，我聽你說，
11:12
and I'm like 75 into them,
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11:14
and still I swear on number 76,
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
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我將會和你一起驗證。」
我們都有這樣的經驗，
當你在告訴某人某些事情時，
當你在告訴某人某些事情時，
11:18
(Laughter)
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他們會說：「喔，真有趣，對耶。」
11:20
Maybe I'm just eternally optimistic,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
but I hope I never lose this hope,
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你就知道你被耍了。
11:24
and I invite you to take
this same attitude
this same attitude
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但當他們說：「真的嗎？嗯？」
11:28
when people share
their outer beliefs with you.
their outer beliefs with you.
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「這聽起來有點陌生，不過我正在聽。」
11:31
When talking about testable claims,
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至少你知道，
你正與他交流並且受到尊重。
你正與他交流並且受到尊重。
11:33
respect them enough to ask
these good questions.
these good questions.
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面對他人的看法，
這就是我們應該表現的態度。
這就是我們應該表現的態度。
11:37
Challenge and see
how you can examine them together,
how you can examine them together,
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表現出你重視別人在說什麼。
11:40
because there's this idea
that you can't respect a belief
that you can't respect a belief
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這是尊重。
11:44
and still challenge it,
but that's not true.
but that's not true.
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沒錯，多數的調查都沒什麼結果，
11:47
When we jiggle the lock,
when we test the claim,
when we test the claim,
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11:49
we're saying, OK, I respect you,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
I'm listening to what you're saying,
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但所有的科學運作就是如此。
到目前為止，尚未淘汰
每一種癌症的治療法，
每一種癌症的治療法，
11:53
I'm going to test it out with you.
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11:55
We've all had that experience
where you're telling someone something,
where you're telling someone something,
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但我們並沒有停止追尋。
11:59
and they're like, "Oh,
that's really interesting, yeah,"
that's really interesting, yeah,"
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這有兩個原因。
第一，答案很重要。
12:01
you know you're being had.
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不管我們探索的是死後的生命、
超自然現象，或癌症的治法，
超自然現象，或癌症的治法，
12:04
But when someone says, "Really? Huh.
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全都指向一個共同的問題：
12:08
Sounds a little sketchy to me,
but I'm listening,"
but I'm listening,"
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我們有多少時間？
12:10
you at least know
you're being engaged and respected.
you're being engaged and respected.
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12:13
And that's the kind of attitude
we should have with these claims.
we should have with these claims.
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第二，因為探尋事實，
12:16
That's showing someone
that you care what they're saying.
that you care what they're saying.
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敞開心胸，
樂於犯錯，且願意改變你的世界觀，
12:19
That's respect.
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是令人振奮的。
12:25
Now, yes, most of these searches
will come up empty,
will come up empty,
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每次聽到有關鬼的故事
我還是非常興奮。
我還是非常興奮。
12:29
but that's how all of science works.
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我依舊認為每個我加入的陣營
有可能是客觀、正確的，
有可能是客觀、正確的，
12:32
Every cure for cancer so far
has not panned out,
has not panned out,
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而我也希望從不失去希望。
我們都別失去希望，
12:36
but we don't stop looking,
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因為找尋外在的真相
12:38
for two reasons.
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會幫助我們更了解內在的真相。
12:40
Because number one, the answer matters.
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12:42
Whether it's looking at the afterlife
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
or the paranormal or the cure for cancer,
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除此之外，請大家在家裡
安置一氧化碳檢探測器。
安置一氧化碳檢探測器。
12:46
it all amounts to the same question:
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12:48
How long will we be here?
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（笑聲）
謝謝大家。
（掌聲）
12:52
And two, because looking for the truth,
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12:56
being open-minded,
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12:57
and being willing to be wrong
and to change your whole worldview
and to change your whole worldview
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13:02
is awe-inspiring.
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13:05
I still get excited at ghost stories
every single time.
every single time.
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13:09
I still consider that every group
I join might be right,
I join might be right,
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13:12
and I hope I never lose that hope.
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13:14
Let's all never lose that hope,
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13:15
because searching for what's out there
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13:18
helps us understand what's in here.
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13:21
And also, please have
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
a carbon monoxide detector in your home.
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13:29
Thank you.
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13:30
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedianCarrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.
Why you should listen
On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.
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