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Chuck Nice: A funny look at the unintended consequences of technology
查克奈斯: 笑談科技造成了哪些不在計畫中的結果
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科技應該要為我們工作，但如果狀況不是這樣呢？喜劇演員查克奈斯用趣味的方式來探究科技進步以及人類互動造成了哪些不在計畫中的結果。
Chuck Nice - Comedian, science fan
Chuck Nice is a radio and TV veteran with a passion for science communication and comedy. Full bio
Chuck Nice is a radio and TV veteran with a passion for science communication and comedy. Full bio
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00:12
Future tech always comes
with two things: promise
with two things: promise
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未來科技總是會帶來
兩樣東西：承諾，
兩樣東西：承諾，
00:17
and unintended consequences.
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以及不在計畫中的結果。
00:19
And it's those consequences
that I want to explore.
that I want to explore.
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我想要探討的是那些結果。
00:23
And before we get to how
future tech may affect us,
future tech may affect us,
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在我們開始談未來科技可能
會對我們有什麼影響之前，
會對我們有什麼影響之前，
00:26
I'd like to spend a little time
exploring the unintended consequences
exploring the unintended consequences
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我想要先花點時間，
探究一些我們近期的科技造成的
探究一些我們近期的科技造成的
00:30
of some of our recent tech,
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不在計畫中的結果，
00:32
namely, social media.
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這科技就是：社交媒體。
00:34
Social media, a few short years ago,
was the tech of future you.
was the tech of future you.
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在短短幾年前，社交媒體
是「未來的你」的科技。
是「未來的你」的科技。
00:39
Now it just is you.
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現在，它就只是「你」。
00:42
Social media was supposed
to bring us together
to bring us together
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社交媒體應該要用我們從來沒有
00:44
in ways we could never imagine.
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想像過的方式把我們連結起來。
00:47
And the predictors were correct.
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預言者是對的。
00:50
These three girls
are talking to one another
are talking to one another
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這三個女孩是在跟彼此對談，
00:53
without the awkward discomfort
of eye contact.
of eye contact.
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還可以避免尷尬的眼神接觸。
00:56
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
00:57
I call that advancement.
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我把這稱為進步。
01:01
We were supposed to be caught up
in a communication tsunami,
in a communication tsunami,
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我們應該要被捲入溝通的海嘯當中，
01:05
the likes of which the world
has never seen.
has never seen.
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世界完全沒見過類似這樣的東西。
01:07
And that did happen.
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那的確發生了。
01:09
And so did this.
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而這也發生了。
01:13
(Sings) One of these things
is not like the other.
is not like the other.
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（唱歌）這些東西當中
有一個和其他的不一樣。
有一個和其他的不一樣。
01:16
(Speaks) Now, look at this picture.
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（說話）看看這張照片。
01:17
If you picked the guy
with the book, you’re wrong --
with the book, you’re wrong --
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如果你選拿書的那個人，你就錯了──
01:20
or, as a certain president
would say, "Wrong!"
would say, "Wrong!"
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或是某位總統會說：「錯！」
01:23
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
01:27
Clearly, three of these guys are reading,
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很顯然，當中有三個人在閱讀，
01:29
and one guy, on the end,
is listening to music
is listening to music
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而在邊上的那個人則是在聽音樂，
01:32
and playing "Candy Crush."
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同時在玩「糖果傳奇」。
01:33
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
01:35
So are we more connected,
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所以，我們有比較連結嗎？
01:37
or are we just more connected
to our devices?
to our devices?
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還是我們只是和我們的
裝置比較連結了？
裝置比較連結了？
01:42
Social media was supposed
to place us in a veritable town square,
to place us in a veritable town square,
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社交媒體應該要把我們放在
一個稱得上是市鎮廣場的地方，
一個稱得上是市鎮廣場的地方，
01:45
where we could engage one another
with challenging ideas and debates.
with challenging ideas and debates.
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在那裡，我們可以用
挑戰性想法和辯論來彼此互動。
挑戰性想法和辯論來彼此互動。
01:50
And instead what we got were trolls.
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結果，我們卻得到了惡搞。
01:53
This is an actual tweet that I received.
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這是我收到的真實推特訊息。
01:58
"Chuck, no one wants to hear
your stupid, ill-informed political views!
your stupid, ill-informed political views!
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「查克，沒有人想要聽你那
愚蠢且孤陋寡聞的政治觀點！
愚蠢且孤陋寡聞的政治觀點！
02:02
I hope you get leprosy and die.
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我希望你得麻風病然後死掉。
02:04
Love, Dad"
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愛你的老爹敬上。」
02:06
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:08
Now, the great thing
about that tweet if you look at it,
about that tweet if you look at it,
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推特有個優點，如果你仔細看看它，
02:11
just like most trolls, it's not that bad,
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就像大部分的惡搞，其實並不壞，
02:13
because he wished "leporsy" on me
instead of "leprosy,"
instead of "leprosy,"
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因為他希望我得的
是「麻風」而非「痲瘋」，
是「麻風」而非「痲瘋」，
02:17
and "leporsy" is not dangerous at all.
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而麻風一點也不危險。
（註：英文是把 ro 拼成 or）
（註：英文是把 ro 拼成 or）
02:20
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:21
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
02:26
Along with trolls, we got
a brand new way of torturing teenagers --
a brand new way of torturing teenagers --
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除了惡搞之外，我們也得到了
一種折磨青少年的新方式──
一種折磨青少年的新方式──
02:30
cyberbullying.
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網路霸凌。
02:32
A concept that my 75-year-old mother
just can't seem to wrap her head around.
just can't seem to wrap her head around.
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我七十五歲的老媽似乎
無法理解這個概念。
無法理解這個概念。
02:38
"So, uh, did they hit him?"
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「所以，呃，他們有打他嗎？」
02:40
"No, Mom, they didn't hit him."
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「沒有，媽，他們沒有打他。」
02:42
"Did they take his money?"
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「他們有拿他的錢嗎？」
02:43
"No, Mom, they didn't take his money."
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「沒有，媽，他們沒有拿他的錢。」
02:45
"Did they put his face in the toilet?"
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「他們有把他的臉塞到馬桶裡嗎？」
02:47
"No, Mom, they didn't --"
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「沒有，媽，他們沒有──」
02:48
"Well, what did they do?"
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「那他們做了什麼？」
02:50
"They attacked him on the internet."
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「他們在網路上攻擊他。」
02:52
"Attacked him on the internet?"
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「在網路上攻擊他？」
02:54
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:55
"Well, why don't you just
turn off the internet?"
turn off the internet?"
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「那你為什麼不把
那網路關掉就好了？」
那網路關掉就好了？」
02:57
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:59
"Your whole generation
is a bunch of wussies."
is a bunch of wussies."
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「你們這整個世代
都是一群軟弱的膿包。」
都是一群軟弱的膿包。」
03:01
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:03
She's got a point.
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她說的有理。
03:04
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:06
She's got a point.
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她說的有理。
03:07
And I don't even want to talk about
what social media has done to dating.
what social media has done to dating.
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我甚至不想去談社交媒體
對約會造成的影響。
對約會造成的影響。
03:11
I was on Grindr until I found out
it wasn't a sandwich app.
it wasn't a sandwich app.
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我一直在用 Grindr，直到我發現它不是
三明治 app。（註：男同志社交平台）
三明治 app。（註：男同志社交平台）
03:16
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:19
And I can't even tell you about Tinder,
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我就別跟你們說 Tinder 了，
（註：一夜情約會 app）
（註：一夜情約會 app）
03:23
except for the fact that
if you think there is a limit
if you think there is a limit
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只能說，如果你認為在地球上你能
03:27
to the amount of anonymous sex
we can have on this planet,
we can have on this planet,
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進行的匿名性交數量是有限的，
03:30
you are sadly mistaken.
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很不幸，你錯了。
03:32
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:33
So where do we go from here?
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所以，以上這些是什麼意思？
03:35
Well, let's just jump right in
and play the hits.
and play the hits.
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咱們就直接切入重點吧。
03:38
Driverless cars.
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無人駕駛汽車。
03:39
Something that has already
been around for many years,
been around for many years,
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這種車已經出現非常多年了，
03:42
just without the assistance of computers.
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只是沒有電腦的協助而已。
03:44
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:47
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
03:50
Because for years, we have
been driving while texting,
been driving while texting,
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因為多年來，我們一邊
開車時還會一邊傳訊息、
開車時還會一邊傳訊息、
03:54
putting on makeup,
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一邊化妝、
03:56
shaving, reading -- actually reading --
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一邊刮鬍子、閱讀──真的在閱讀──
03:59
that would be me.
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那是我會做的。
04:00
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:01
The other thing is that since
driverless cars will be shared,
driverless cars will be shared,
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還有一件事，因為
無人駕駛汽車將會是共乘的，
無人駕駛汽車將會是共乘的，
04:04
most people won't own cars,
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大部分人不會擁有汽車，
04:06
and that means the DMV will go away.
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機動車輛管理局（DMV）將會消失。
04:09
The DMV -- I know what
you're saying right now.
you're saying right now.
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DMV──我知道你們現在在說什麼。
「這個傢伙不可能會站在這裡
04:11
"There's no way this guy
is going to stand up here
is going to stand up here
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為 DMV 說好話。」
04:13
and make a case for the DMV."
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我不知道你們如何，
但我並不希望在我住的世界裡，
但我並不希望在我住的世界裡，
04:15
Well, I don't know about you,
but I do not want to live in a world
but I do not want to live in a world
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04:18
where harsh fluorescent lights,
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有刺眼的日光燈、
04:20
endless lines,
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看不到尾巴的排隊隊伍、
04:22
terrible forms to fill out
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要填寫很糟的表格，
04:24
and disaffected, soulless
bureaucrats remind me
bureaucrats remind me
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以及充滿怨氣又無情的官僚，來提醒我
04:28
that I am pretty damn lucky
not to work here.
not to work here.
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我不用在這裡工作是多幸運的事情。
04:31
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:33
That is the real service they provide.
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他們真正提供的就是那種服務。
04:36
The DMV:
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DMV：
04:37
come for the registration renewal,
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因為要換新駕照而來，
04:40
stay for the satisfaction of knowing
you made some pretty good life choices.
you made some pretty good life choices.
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因為你對你做的人生選擇
感到滿意而留下。
感到滿意而留下。
04:44
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:49
Nobody will own their car in the future,
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在未來，沒有人會擁有自己的車，
04:51
and that means teenagers
will not have a place to make out.
will not have a place to make out.
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那就表示，青少年少女
就沒地方可以親熱。
就沒地方可以親熱。
04:55
So you know what that means.
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你們知道那意味著什麼。
04:56
That means they will order
driverless cars to do just that.
driverless cars to do just that.
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那意味著，他們會為了親熱
而預約無人駕駛汽車。
而預約無人駕駛汽車。
05:00
I do not want to step into a vehicle
and ask the question:
and ask the question:
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我並不想踏入一台車時
還要問這個問題：
還要問這個問題：
05:04
"Why does this car smell like
awkwardness, failure and shame?"
awkwardness, failure and shame?"
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「為什麼這台車聞起來
有尷尬、失敗和羞恥的味道？」
有尷尬、失敗和羞恥的味道？」
05:09
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:12
If I want to ask that question,
I'll walk into my own bedroom.
I'll walk into my own bedroom.
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如果我想要問那個問題，
我會走進我自己的臥房。
我會走進我自己的臥房。
05:15
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:17
So what else do we have
to look forward to?
to look forward to?
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所以，我們還能期待什麼？
05:19
That's right, artificial intelligence.
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沒錯，人工智慧。
05:21
Artificial intelligence, yes.
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人工智慧，是的。
05:23
You know, there was a time
when artificial intelligence was a joke.
when artificial intelligence was a joke.
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曾經有個時期，
人工智慧只是個笑話。
人工智慧只是個笑話。
05:26
I mean, literally a quip
that you would hear at a cocktail party
that you would hear at a cocktail party
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真的就是你在雞尾酒派對上
會聽到的玩笑話，
會聽到的玩笑話，
05:30
when somebody would
bring it up in conversation:
bring it up in conversation:
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有人可能會在談話間提到：
05:32
"Artificial intelligence.
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「人工智慧。
05:34
The only real artificial intelligence
is our American Congress.
is our American Congress.
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唯一的人工智慧就是
我們的美國國會。
我們的美國國會。
05:38
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha."
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哈哈哈哈哈。」
05:40
Well, it's not funny anymore.
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嗯，那不再好笑了。
05:41
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:48
Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk
and Bill Gates have all gone on record
and Bill Gates have all gone on record
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史帝芬霍金、伊隆馬斯克、
比爾蓋茲都有正式公開
比爾蓋茲都有正式公開
05:51
expressing grave reservations
about artificial intelligence.
about artificial intelligence.
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表示他們對人工智慧
持嚴肅保留態度。
持嚴肅保留態度。
05:55
That's like Jesus, Moses and Muhammad
coming together and saying,
coming together and saying,
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那就像是耶穌、摩西、
穆罕默德都聚集在一起，說：
穆罕默德都聚集在一起，說：
「各位，各位──這裡有件事，
大家都能相信。」
大家都能相信。」
05:59
"Guy, guys -- here's something
we can all believe in."
we can all believe in."
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06:02
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:03
You might want to go with that,
is all I'm saying.
is all I'm saying.
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我只是在說，你可能會想要相信。
06:07
We are actually teaching
machines how to think,
machines how to think,
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我們是在教導機器如何思考、
06:11
how to understand our behavior,
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如何了解我們的行為、
06:14
how to defend themselves
and even practice deception.
and even practice deception.
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如何保衛它們自己，甚至進行欺騙。
06:18
What could possibly go wrong?
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怎麼可能會出問題呢？
06:20
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:23
The one thing that's for sure:
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有一件事是肯定的：
06:25
the creation always despises its creator.
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被創造物都會看不起它的創造者。
06:29
OK?
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對吧？
06:30
The Titans rose up against the gods;
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泰坦起義對抗眾神；
06:32
Lucifer against Jehovah.
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路西法對抗耶和華。
06:34
And anybody who has a teenager
has heard these words:
has heard these words:
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家中有青少年少女的人
都聽過這句話：
都聽過這句話：
06:37
"I hate you and you're ruining my life!
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「我恨你，你毀了我的人生！
06:39
I hate you!"
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我恨你！」
06:42
Now just imagine that sentiment
with a machine that can outthink you
with a machine that can outthink you
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想像那樣的情緒，
只是角色換成是在思想上超越你
且有強大武裝火力的機器。
且有強大武裝火力的機器。
06:46
and is heavily armed.
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06:48
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:51
The result?
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結果呢？
06:52
Absolutely.
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當然。
06:54
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:58
What we need to do before we perfect
artificial intelligence
artificial intelligence
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在我們把人工智慧做到完美之前，
07:02
is perfect artificial emotions.
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要先把人工情緒做到完美。
07:04
That way, we can teach
the robots or machines
the robots or machines
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那樣一來，我們就能
教導機器人或機器
教導機器人或機器
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how to love us unconditionally,
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如何無條件地愛我們，
07:11
so that when they figure out
that the only real problem on this planet
that the only real problem on this planet
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所以，當他們想通了原來
在地球上唯一真正的問題
在地球上唯一真正的問題
07:15
is us,
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就是我們時，
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instead of destroying us --
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他們就不會摧毀我們──
07:18
which, by the way, is totally logical --
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其實摧毀我們是完全合邏輯的──
07:21
they will find us adorable --
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他們反而會覺得我們很可愛──
07:24
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:25
like baby poop.
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就像寶寶的大便。
07:26
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:27
"Oh my god, I just love the way
you just destroyed the planet.
you just destroyed the planet.
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「喔，天啊，我好愛你們
摧毀這個星球的方式。
摧毀這個星球的方式。
07:30
I can't stay mad at you, you're so cute!
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我實在無法對你們生氣，
你們好可愛！
你們好可愛！
07:33
You're so cute!"
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你們好可愛！」
07:34
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:36
Can't talk about this without
talking about robotics. OK?
talking about robotics. OK?
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談到這個，就一定會
談到機器人，對吧？
談到機器人，對吧？
07:43
Remember when you thought
robotics were cool?
robotics were cool?
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記得以前你們會覺得機器人很酷嗎？
07:45
I remember when I thought
robotics were cool,
robotics were cool,
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我還記得我以前覺得機器人很酷，
07:47
until I figured out that they were
going to take everybody's place,
going to take everybody's place,
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直到我發現它們將會取代每個人，
從送貨員一直到心臟外科醫生。
07:50
from the delivery guy
down to the heart surgeon.
down to the heart surgeon.
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但，機器人有一點是很讓人失望的，
07:52
The one thing, though,
that is very disappointing about robotics
that is very disappointing about robotics
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就是機器人的聖杯，
07:55
is the holy grail of robotics,
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那甚至還沒發生。
07:57
and it hasn't even happened.
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07:58
I'm talking about the robot girlfriend,
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我在說的，是機器人女友，
08:00
the dream of one lonely geek
in a windowless basement
in a windowless basement
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在沒有窗戶的地下室，
一個寂寞怪胎的夢想，
一個寂寞怪胎的夢想，
08:04
who vowed one day:
"I am going to marry my creation."
"I am going to marry my creation."
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有一天他發誓：
「我要娶我的創造物。」
「我要娶我的創造物。」
08:08
And there actually is a movement underway
to stop this from happening,
to stop this from happening,
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其實現在就有一項運動在進行中，
目的是要阻止這件事發生，
目的是要阻止這件事發生，
08:13
for fear of exploitation.
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因為害怕剝削。
08:16
And I, for one, am against that movement.
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而我是反對這項運動的人之一，
08:20
I believe we should
have robot girlfriends.
have robot girlfriends.
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我認為我們應該要有機器人女友。
08:23
I just believe that they should come
with a feminist protocol
with a feminist protocol
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我認為它們應該要加上女性主義思想
08:27
and artificial intelligence,
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以及人工智慧，
08:29
so she can take one look at that guy
and go, "I am too good for you.
and go, "I am too good for you.
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這麼一來，她可以看一眼那傢伙，
然後說：「你配不上我。
然後說：「你配不上我。
08:33
I'm leaving."
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我要走了。」
08:35
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
08:36
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
08:40
And finally,
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最後，
08:42
I have to talk about bioengineering,
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我得要談談生物工程，
08:44
an area of science that promises
to end disease before it even begins,
to end disease before it even begins,
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它是一個科學領域，保證在
疾病爆發之前就把它終止，
疾病爆發之前就把它終止，
08:51
to help us live longer,
fuller, healthier lives.
fuller, healthier lives.
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協助我們過著更長壽、
更豐足、更健康的生活。
更豐足、更健康的生活。
08:57
And when you couple that
with implantable hardware,
with implantable hardware,
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如果你把它
和可植入的硬體連結起來，
和可植入的硬體連結起來，
09:00
you are looking at the next incarnation
of human evolution.
of human evolution.
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你在看的就是下一波的人類演化。
09:04
And all of that sounds great,
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那些全都聽起來很美好，
09:07
until you figure out
where it's really going.
where it's really going.
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直到你發現這條路會通到什麼結果。
09:09
One place:
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那就是：
09:11
designer babies,
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設計出來的寶寶，
09:13
where, no matter
where you are on the globe
where you are on the globe
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不論你在世界的什麼地方，
09:15
or what your ethnicity,
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不論你是哪個人種，
09:17
babies will end up looking like that.
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寶寶最後都會像這樣。
09:19
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
09:21
That boy is surprised
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那個男孩很驚訝，
09:24
because he just found out
both his parents are black.
both his parents are black.
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因為他剛剛發現他的父母都是黑人。
09:27
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
09:35
Can you imagine him
at a cocktail party in 20 years?
at a cocktail party in 20 years?
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你們能想像二十年後
他參加雞尾酒派對的情況？
他參加雞尾酒派對的情況？
「是的，我的父母都是黑人。
09:39
"Yeah, both my parents are black.
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09:41
I mean, it's a little awkward at times,
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有時候是有點尷尬，
09:43
but you should see my credit rating.
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但你應該要看我的信用積分。
09:45
Impressive, very impressive."
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很讓人印象深刻，非常。」
09:46
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
09:49
Now, all of this seems scary,
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這一切似乎蠻駭人的，
09:51
and everybody in this room
knows that it isn't.
knows that it isn't.
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這間房間的每個人都知道並非如此。
09:54
Technology isn't scary.
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科技並不駭人。
09:56
Never has been and it never will be.
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從來就不駭人，以後也不會駭人。
10:00
What's scary is us
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駭人的是我們，
10:02
and what we will do with technology.
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以及我們會用科技做出的事。
10:05
Will we allow it to expose our humanity,
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我們會容許它揭露出我們的人性，
10:09
showing our true selves
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呈現出我們的真實自我，
10:11
and reinforcing the fact
that we are indeed our brother's keeper?
that we are indeed our brother's keeper?
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並強化我們的確是我們
兄弟的守護者的這個事實？
兄弟的守護者的這個事實？
10:16
Or will we allow it to reveal
our deepest, darkest demons?
our deepest, darkest demons?
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或者，我們會容許它揭示出
我們最深處最黑暗的惡魔？
我們最深處最黑暗的惡魔？
10:22
The true question is not
whether or not technology is scary.
whether or not technology is scary.
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真正的問題並非科技是否駭人。
10:28
The true question is:
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真正的問題是：
10:30
How human
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你多有人性？
10:31
are you?
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10:33
Thank you.
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謝謝。
10:34
(Applause)
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