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Stephen Cave - Philosopher
Philosopher Stephen Cave wants to know: Why is humanity so obsessed with living forever?

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Stephen Cave is a writer and philosopher who is obsessed with our obsession with immortality. In 2012 he published Immortality: The Quest to Live Forever and How It Drives Civilization, an inquiry into humanity's rather irrational resistance to the inevitability of death. Cave moves across time and history's major civilizations and religions to explore just what drives this instinct -- and what that means for the future. Cave writes for The Financial Times and contributes to The New York Times, The Guardian and Wired.

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Stephen Cave: The 4 stories we tell ourselves about death

史提芬.凱夫 (Stephen Cave): 關於死亡,我們告訴自己的四個故事

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哲學家史提芬.凱夫 (Stephen Cave) 以一個陰鬱但引人注目的問題為開頭:你何時第一次意識到自己會死亡?另外更有意思的問題:為何我們人類一直都抗拒死亡的必然性?在這個精采的演說中,凱夫探索了四種──橫跨在各種文明之間──我們告訴自己的故事「為的是幫助我們面對死亡的恐懼」。
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Philosopher Stephen Cave wants to know: Why is humanity so obsessed with living forever? Full bio

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I have a question:
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我有一個提問:
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Who here remembers記得 when they first realized實現
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這裡有誰記得是什麼時候
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they were going to die?
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第一次意識到自己會死去?
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I do. I was a young年輕 boy男孩,
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我記得
那時我還是小男孩
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and my grandfather祖父 had just died死亡,
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我祖父剛剛過世
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and I remember記得 a few少數 days later後來 lying說謊 in bed at night
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我記得在那幾天後的晚上,我躺在床上
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trying to make sense of what had happened發生.
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試著去理解發生了什麼事情
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What did it mean that he was dead?
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他過世了是什麼意思?
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Where had he gone走了?
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他去了哪裡?
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It was like a hole in reality現實 had opened打開 up
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這有點像在現實中有一個洞
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and swallowed吞食 him.
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打開後把他吞下去
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But then the really shocking觸目驚心
question occurred發生 to me:
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但對我來說,震驚的事情是:
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If he could die, could it happen發生 to me too?
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如果他會死去,那也會發生在我身上嗎?
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Could that hole in reality現實 open打開 up and swallow me?
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那個洞也會打開把我吞下去嗎?
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Would it open打開 up beneath下面 my bed
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它會不會在我的床底下打開
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and swallow me as I slept?
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在我睡覺時把我吞了?
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Well, at some point, all children孩子
become成為 aware知道的 of death死亡.
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某方面而言,所有的小孩都注意到死亡
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It can happen發生 in different不同 ways方法, of course課程,
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當然,死亡會以不同的方式發生
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and usually平時 comes in stages階段.
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而且通常是很引人注目的
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Our idea理念 of death死亡 develops發展 as we grow增長 older舊的.
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我們對死亡的認識隨著長大而加深
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And if you reach達到 back into the dark黑暗 corners角落
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如果你能回到你記憶裡
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of your memory記憶,
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那個黑暗的角落
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you might威力 remember記得 something like what I felt
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或許你會有跟我那時一樣的感受
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when my grandfather祖父 died死亡 and when I realized實現
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當我祖父過世而我認知到
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it could happen發生 to me too,
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這也可能發生在我身上
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that sense that behind背後 all of this
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在這一切背後的感受
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the void空虛 is waiting等候.
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只能空等待
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And this development發展 in childhood童年
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在孩童時期這樣的發展
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reflects反映 the development發展 of our species種類.
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反應了我們人類的發展
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Just as there was a point in your development發展
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就像是在你生命中的某一時刻
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as a child兒童 when your sense of self and of time
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還是小孩的你對自我和時間的認知
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became成為 sophisticated複雜的 enough足夠
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開始變得複雜
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for you to realize實現 you were mortal凡人,
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你理解自己終將一死
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so at some point in the evolution演化 of our species種類,
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所以在人類演化的某一時刻
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some early human's人類 sense of self and of time
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早期的某些人對自我和時間的認知
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became成為 sophisticated複雜的 enough足夠
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開始變得複雜
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for them to become成為 the first human人的 to realize實現,
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然後成為第一批
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"I'm going to die."
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知道「我將會死去」的人們
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This is, if you like, our curse詛咒.
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如果你能接受,這是我們的咒詛
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It's the price價錢 we pay工資 for being存在 so damn該死的 clever聰明.
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這是我們過於聰明的代價
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We have to live生活 in the knowledge知識
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我們必須活在
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that the worst最差 thing that can possibly或者 happen發生
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知道最壞的事將會發生的陰影下
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one day surely一定 will,
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這一天一定會來到
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the end結束 of all our projects項目,
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終結我們所有的計畫
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our hopes希望, our dreams, of our individual個人 world世界.
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我們的希望、夢想和個人世界
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We each live生活 in the shadow陰影 of a personal個人
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我們每個人活在自個兒的
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apocalypse啟示.
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末日陰影下
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And that's frightening可怕的. It's terrifying可怕的.
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這很恐怖嚇人
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And so we look for a way out.
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所以我們試圖找個出路
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And in my case案件, as I was about five years年份 old,
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以我為例,當我大約五歲時
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this meant意味著 asking my mum沉默.
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我是去問我媽
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Now when I first started開始 asking
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當我開始詢問
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what happens發生 when we die,
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我們死後會怎樣
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the grown-ups大人 around me at the time
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在我周遭的成人回答我
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answered回答 with a typical典型 English英語 mix混合 of awkwardness重倉股
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很典型、尷尬且
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and half-hearted三心二意 Christianity基督教,
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無心的基督教語句
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and the phrase短語 I heard聽說 most often經常
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我最常聽到的是
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was that granddad公公 was now
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祖父現在
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"up there looking down on us,"
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「在天上看著我們」
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and if I should die too, which哪一個
wouldn't不會 happen發生 of course課程,
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而且如果我也死去,當然不會是現在
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then I too would go up there,
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我也會到天上去
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which哪一個 made製作 death死亡 sound聲音 a lot like
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這讓死亡看起來很像是
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an existential存在 elevator電梯.
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一座可能存在的電梯
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Now this didn't sound聲音 very plausible似是而非.
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現在這聽起來不再是有可能的
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I used to watch a children's兒童
news新聞 program程序 at the time,
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那時候我通常會觀看兒童新聞節目
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and this was the era時代 of space空間 exploration勘探.
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那時是一個太空探索的時代
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There were always rockets火箭 going up into the sky天空,
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節目總是關於火箭升空
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up into space空間, going up there.
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飛上高高的太空中
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But none沒有 of the astronauts宇航員 when they came來了 back
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但沒有任何回來的太空人提及
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ever mentioned提到 having met會見 my granddad公公
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見到我去世的祖父
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or any other dead people.
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或是其他死去的人
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But I was scared害怕,
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但當時我很害怕
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and the idea理念 of taking服用 the existential存在 elevator電梯
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而搭乘那可能存在的電梯
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to see my granddad公公
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去見我的祖父
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sounded滿面 a lot better than being存在 swallowed吞食
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比起在睡夢中被虛空吞噬
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by the void空虛 while I slept.
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是容易接受的多
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And so I believed相信 it anyway無論如何,
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所以我就相信了
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even though雖然 it didn't make much sense.
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縱使這聽起來很不合理
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And this thought process處理 that I went through通過
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這樣的思考模式讓我渡過童年
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as a child兒童, and have been through通過 many許多 times since以來,
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從那之後發生過很多次
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including包含 as a grown-up長大,
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長大之後也是
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is a product產品 of what psychologists心理學家 call
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這被心理學家稱作是
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a bias偏壓.
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偏誤 (bias)
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Now a bias偏壓 is a way in which哪一個 we systematically系統
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偏誤是我們有系統地
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get things wrong錯誤,
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把事情搞錯
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ways方法 in which哪一個 we miscalculate失算, misjudge輕視,
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估算錯誤、判斷錯誤
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distort歪曲 reality現實, or see what we want to see,
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扭曲現實,或是只看到想看到的
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and the bias偏壓 I'm talking about
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而我要說的偏誤
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works作品 like this:
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是像這樣的:
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Confront面對 someone有人 with the fact事實
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使他人去正視
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that they are going to die
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他們即將會死去的事實
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and they will believe just about any story故事
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他們會相信任何故事
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that tells告訴 them it isn't true真正
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告訴他們這不是真的
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and they can, instead代替, live生活 forever永遠,
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而且他們可以永遠活著
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even if it means手段 taking服用 the existential存在 elevator電梯.
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就算是搭乘那個可能存在的電梯
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Now we can see this as the biggest最大 bias偏壓 of all.
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我們可以將這個視為最大的偏誤
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It has been demonstrated證明 in over 400
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這經過四百個經驗研究
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empirical經驗 studies學習.
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得到證實
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Now these studies學習 are ingenious巧妙, but they're simple簡單.
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這些研究設計得很巧妙,但相當簡單
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They work like this.
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像這樣
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You take two groups of people
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你找了兩組人
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who are similar類似 in all relevant相應 respects尊重,
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在各個面向上都很相似
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and you remind提醒 one group that they're going to die
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你提醒其中一組人他們即將死去
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but not the other, then you compare比較 their behavior行為.
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但另一組沒有,然後你比較他們的行為
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So you're observing觀察 how it biases偏見 behavior行為
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你觀察到,當人們意識到他們終究會死去時
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when people become成為 aware知道的 of their mortality死亡.
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這個認知如何使他們的行為產生偏誤
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And every一切 time, you get the same相同 result結果:
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而且每次試驗你都得到相同的結果
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People who are made製作 aware知道的 of their mortality死亡
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被提醒終將會死去的那組人
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are more willing願意 to believe stories故事
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比較願意去相信
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that tell them they can escape逃逸 death死亡
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他們有辦法逃脫死亡
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and live生活 forever永遠.
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並且得到永生的故事
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So here's這裡的 an example: One recent最近 study研究
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這裡有一個例子
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took two groups of agnostics不可知論者,
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一項研究找來兩組不可知論者
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that is people who are undecided未定
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這些人都沒有
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in their religious宗教 beliefs信仰.
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特定的宗教傾向
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Now, one group was asked to think about being存在 dead.
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其中一組被要求思考死亡這件事
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The other group was asked to think about
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另一組被要求思考
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being存在 lonely孤獨.
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孤獨
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They were then asked again
about their religious宗教 beliefs信仰.
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他們再度被問及他們的宗教信仰
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Those who had been asked
to think about being存在 dead
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被要求思考死亡的那組人
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were afterwards之後 twice兩次 as likely容易 to express表現 faith信仰
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之後有兩倍的可能性
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in God and Jesus耶穌.
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用上帝和耶穌來描敘他們的信仰
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Twice兩次 as likely容易.
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兩倍的可能性
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Even though雖然 the before they
were all equally一樣 agnostic不可知.
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即使在這之前他們同樣是不可知論者
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But put the fear恐懼 of death死亡 in them,
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但把對死亡的恐懼放在眼前
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and they run to Jesus耶穌.
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他們會向耶穌靠攏
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Now, this shows節目 that reminding提醒 people of death死亡
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這顯示向人們提醒死亡
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biases偏見 them to believe, regardless而不管 of the evidence證據,
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會讓他們忽視證據,而在所相信的事物上偏誤
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and it works作品 not just for religion宗教,
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而這不僅僅影響到宗教
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but for any kind of belief信仰 system系統
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而是任何跟信仰有關
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that promises許諾 immortality不朽 in some form形成,
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任何能提供永生形式的機制
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whether是否 it's becoming變得 famous著名
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無論是變有名
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or having children孩子
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或是生小孩
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or even nationalism民族主義,
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或甚至是民族主義
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which哪一個 promises許諾 you can live生活
on as part部分 of a greater更大 whole整個.
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保證你能成為全體的一部分活下去
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This is a bias偏壓 that has shaped成形
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這樣的偏誤
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the course課程 of human人的 history歷史.
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塑造了人類的歷史
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Now, the theory理論 behind背後 this bias偏壓
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在這偏誤背後
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in the over 400 studies學習
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超過四百個研究
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is called terror恐怖 management管理 theory理論,
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稱之為「恐懼管理理論」
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and the idea理念 is simple簡單. It's just this.
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這個理論很簡單
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We develop發展 our worldviews世界觀,
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我們發展出我們的世界觀
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that is, the stories故事 we tell ourselves我們自己
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告訴自己一個
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about the world世界 and our place地點 in it,
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關於世界和我們所在地方的故事
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in order訂購 to help us manage管理
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為的是要讓我們可以
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the terror恐怖 of death死亡.
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處理對死亡的恐懼
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And these immortality不朽 stories故事
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這些永生的故事
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have thousands數千 of different不同 manifestations表現,
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有著上千種的形式
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but I believe that behind背後 the apparent明顯的 diversity多樣
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但我相信在這些多樣化的面貌下
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there are actually其實 just four basic基本 forms形式
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這些永生故事
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that these immortality不朽 stories故事 can take.
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其實只有四種基本樣式
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And we can see them repeating重複 themselves他們自己
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在歷史中不斷地循環
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throughout始終 history歷史, just with slight輕微 variations變化
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只有小小的差異
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to reflect反映 the vocabulary詞彙 of the day.
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反應當時的語言
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Now I'm going to briefly簡要地 introduce介紹 these four
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我來簡單介紹永生故事中的
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basic基本 forms形式 of immortality不朽 story故事,
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這四個基本樣式
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and I want to try to give you some sense
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我也希望讓各位知道
06:58
of the way in which哪一個 they're retold新編 by each culture文化
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它們是如何在各個文化和世代中
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or generation
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使用當時的語言
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using運用 the vocabulary詞彙 of their day.
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被流傳著
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Now, the first story故事 is the simplest簡單.
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第一個故事是最簡單的
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We want to avoid避免 death死亡,
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我們想要避免死亡
07:09
and the dream夢想 of doing that in this body身體
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夢想著這身軀
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in this world世界 forever永遠
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可以永久留存在這世上
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is the first and simplest簡單 kind of immortality不朽 story故事,
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這是第一個也是最簡單的永生故事
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and it might威力 at first sound聲音 implausible難以置信,
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這聽起來有點難以置信
07:19
but actually其實, almost幾乎 every一切 culture文化 in human人的 history歷史
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但事實上,人類史上幾乎所有的文化
07:23
has had some myth神話 or legend傳說
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都有神話或傳說是關於
07:25
of an elixir of life or a fountain噴泉 of youth青年
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不老藥或是青春泉水
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or something that promises許諾 to keep us going
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或是某種可以讓我們
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forever永遠.
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一直活下去的東西
07:34
Ancient Egypt埃及 had such這樣 myths神話,
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古埃及有這樣的神話
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ancient Babylon巴比倫, ancient India印度.
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古巴比倫、古印度
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Throughout始終 European歐洲的 history歷史, we find them
in the work of the alchemists煉金術士,
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綜觀歐洲史,可以在鍊金術中發現它
07:41
and of course課程 we still believe this today今天,
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現在我們依舊相信它
07:44
only we tell this story故事 using運用 the vocabulary詞彙
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只是我們用科學的語言
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of science科學.
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訴說它
07:48
So 100 years年份 ago,
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約一百年前
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hormones激素 had just been discovered發現,
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荷爾蒙被發現了
07:51
and people hoped希望 that hormone激素 treatments治療
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人們冀望荷爾蒙
07:53
were going to cure治愈 aging老化 and disease疾病,
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可以治療老化和疾病
07:56
and now instead代替 we set our hopes希望 on stem cells細胞,
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現在我們則是寄望於幹細胞
07:58
genetic遺傳 engineering工程, and nanotechnology納米技術.
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遺傳工程和奈米科技
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But the idea理念 that science科學 can cure治愈 death死亡
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但能對抗死亡的科學
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is just one more chapter章節 in the story故事
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也僅只是跟文明一樣古老的
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of the magical神奇 elixir,
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另一則
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a story故事 that is as old as civilization文明.
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不老藥故事
08:14
But betting博彩 everything on the idea理念 of finding發現 the elixir
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但把一切都賭在發現不老藥
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and staying alive forever永遠
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和保持永生上面
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is a risky有風險 strategy戰略.
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風險太大
08:20
When we look back through通過 history歷史
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當我們回頭看歷史
08:22
at all those who have sought追捧 an elixir in the past過去,
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那些尋找不老藥的人
08:25
the one thing they now have in common共同
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都有個共通點
08:27
is that they're all dead.
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就是他們都過世了
08:29
So we need a backup備用 plan計劃,
and exactly究竟 this kind of plan計劃 B
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所以我們需要一個備案
08:33
is what the second第二 kind of immortality不朽 story故事 offers報價,
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也就是第二類的永生故事
08:36
and that's resurrection復活.
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那就是復活
08:38
And it stays入住 with the idea理念 that I am this body身體,
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復活的概念是我是一個肉身
08:41
I am this physical物理 organism生物.
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是一個有機體
08:43
It accepts接受 that I'm going to have to die
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接受我是會死去的事實
08:45
but says, despite儘管 that,
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但不論這些
08:46
I can rise上升 up and I can live生活 again.
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我會再次活過來
08:49
In other words, I can do what Jesus耶穌 did.
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換句話說,我可以跟耶穌一樣
08:51
Jesus耶穌 died死亡, he was three days in the [tomb],
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耶穌死後,有三天在墓穴中
08:53
and then he rose玫瑰 up and lived生活 again.
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然後他就復活了
08:56
And the idea理念 that we can all be
resurrected復活 to live生活 again
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能夠復活的這個概念
08:59
is orthodox正統 believe, not just for Christians基督徒
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是很傳統的教義,不單是基督教
09:02
but also Jews猶太人 and Muslims穆斯林.
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也是猶太教和回教的
09:04
But our desire慾望 to believe this story故事
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我們相信這個故事的渴望
09:07
is so deeply embedded嵌入式
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如此深植在我們的內心
09:09
that we are reinventing重塑 it again
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以致於在科學時代
09:11
for the scientific科學 age年齡,
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我們再次創造它
09:12
for example, with the idea理念 of cryonics人體冷凍.
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例如人體冷凍
09:15
That's the idea理念 that when you die,
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當你死亡時
09:17
you can have yourself你自己 frozen凍結的,
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你可以把自己冷凍起來
09:19
and then, at some point when technology技術
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等到某天
09:21
has advanced高級 enough足夠,
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科技足夠先進
09:22
you can be thawed解凍 out and repaired修復 and revived復活
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你可以讓自己解凍、修復、甦醒
09:24
and so resurrected復活.
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然後復活
09:26
And so some people believe an omnipotent無所不能 god
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有些人相信有一位全能的神
09:29
will resurrect復活 them to live生活 again,
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將會使他們再次活過來
09:30
and other people believe an
omnipotent無所不能 scientist科學家 will do it.
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而有些人則是相信
全能的科學能讓他們復活
09:35
But for others其他, the whole整個 idea理念 of resurrection復活,
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但對某些人來說,復活這件事
09:37
of climbing攀登 out of the grave,
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從墳墓中爬出來
09:39
it's just too much like a bad zombie殭屍 movie電影.
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太像是可怕的僵屍電影
09:42
They find the body身體 too messy, too unreliable靠不住
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他們覺得身軀太髒亂且不可靠
09:45
to guarantee保證 eternal永恆 life,
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無法承受永恆的生命
09:47
and so they set their hopes希望 on the third第三,
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所以他們有第三種類型的故事
09:50
more spiritual精神 immortality不朽 story故事,
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更加靈性不死的故事
09:52
the idea理念 that we can leave離開 our body身體 behind背後
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就是我們會離開我們的身體
09:54
and live生活 on as a soul靈魂.
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而靈魂會永遠常存
09:57
Now, the majority多數 of people on Earth地球
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地球上絕大部分的人
09:59
believe they have a soul靈魂,
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都相信人有靈魂
10:01
and the idea理念 is central中央 to many許多 religions宗教.
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這個概念是許多宗教的核心
10:03
But even though雖然, in its current當前 form形成,
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但不管是現在的型態
10:05
in its traditional傳統 form形成,
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或是傳統的型態
10:07
the idea理念 of the soul靈魂 is still hugely巨大 popular流行,
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靈魂的概念仍然非常受歡迎
10:09
nonetheless儘管如此, we are again
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我們在當今數位時代
10:11
reinventing重塑 it for the digital數字 age年齡,
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依舊再次創造它
10:13
for example with the idea理念
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例如
10:14
that you can leave離開 your body身體 behind背後
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你可以離開你的身體
10:16
by uploading上傳 your mind心神, your essence本質,
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透過將你的心智、本質、真正的你
10:19
the real真實 you, onto a computer電腦,
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上傳到電腦中
10:21
and so live生活 on as an avatar頭像 in the ether.
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以化身存活在太空裡
10:25
But of course課程 there are skeptics懷疑論者 who say
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當然,有人會懷疑說
10:27
if we look at the evidence證據 of science科學,
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如果我們檢視科學的證據
10:29
particularly尤其 neuroscience神經科學,
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特別是神經學
10:31
it suggests提示 that your mind心神,
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提及你的心智
10:33
your essence本質, the real真實 you,
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你的本質,真正的你
10:34
is very much dependent依賴的 on a particular特定 part部分
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是非常仰賴你身體的某個部分
10:37
of your body身體, that is, your brain.
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那就是你的腦
10:39
And such這樣 skeptics懷疑論者 can find comfort安慰
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這樣的懷疑者
10:41
in the fourth第四 kind of immortality不朽 story故事,
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能從第四種類的的永生故事中
得到安慰
10:44
and that is legacy遺產,
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那就是遺留下的事物
10:46
the idea理念 that you can live生活 on
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你可以常存在世
10:47
through通過 the echo迴聲 you leave離開 in the world世界,
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透過你留在世界上的事物
10:50
like the great Greek希臘語 warrior戰士 Achilles阿喀琉斯,
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像是希臘戰士阿基里斯
10:52
who sacrificed犧牲 his life fighting戰鬥 at Troy特洛伊
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他犧牲生命對抗特洛依
10:55
so that he might威力 win贏得 immortal不朽 fame名譽.
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使他贏得永遠的名聲
10:58
And the pursuit追求 of fame名譽 is as widespread廣泛
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追求這樣的名聲
11:00
and popular流行 now as it ever was,
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從古至今都一樣流行普遍
11:02
and in our digital數字 age年齡,
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在當今的數位時代
11:04
it's even easier更輕鬆 to achieve實現.
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這是更容易辦到的
11:05
You don't need to be a great warrior戰士 like Achilles阿喀琉斯
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你不需要像阿基里斯一樣是個戰士
11:08
or a great king國王 or hero英雄.
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或是一位國王,或英雄
11:09
All you need is an Internet互聯網 connection連接
and a funny滑稽 cat. (Laughter笑聲)
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你只需要一條網路線和一隻有趣的貓
(笑聲)
11:14
But some people prefer比較喜歡 to leave離開 a more tangible有形,
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但有些人還是會想要留下
11:17
biological生物 legacy遺產 -- children孩子, for example.
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更有形、有生命的事物,像是小孩
11:19
Or they like, they hope希望, to live生活 on
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或是他們想要、希望可以
11:22
as part部分 of some greater更大 whole整個,
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成為全體的一部分活下去
11:23
a nation國家 or a family家庭 or a tribe部落,
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國家、家庭或聚落
11:26
their gene基因 pool.
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它們的基因庫
11:28
But again, there are skeptics懷疑論者
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但還是有人會懷疑
11:30
who doubt懷疑 whether是否 legacy遺產
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這樣遺留下的事物
11:31
really is immortality不朽.
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是否真的能永流傳
11:33
Woody伍迪 Allen艾倫, for example, who said,
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像是伍迪艾倫說過
(譯註:美國導演、演員、劇作家):
11:36
"I don't want to live生活 on in
the hearts心中 of my countrymen同胞.
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「我不想活在我同胞的心裡
11:38
I want to live生活 on in my apartment公寓."
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我想活在我的公寓裡。」
11:40
So those are the four
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這些是四種基本的
11:42
basic基本 kinds of immortality不朽 stories故事,
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永生故事
11:44
and I've tried試著 to give just some sense
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我試著說明這些故事
11:46
of how they're retold新編 by each generation
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如何一代一代的流傳著
11:48
with just slight輕微 variations變化
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而僅有些許的變化
11:50
to fit適合 the fashions時裝 of the day.
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以迎合各時代的思潮
11:52
And the fact事實 that they recur復發 in this way,
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這些故事不停地重覆傳頌
11:56
in such這樣 a similar類似 form形成 but
in such這樣 different不同 belief信仰 systems系統,
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在不同的信仰中有著如此相似的形式
11:58
suggests提示, I think,
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我覺得
12:00
that we should be skeptical懷疑的 of the truth真相
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我們應該要對這些故事
12:02
of any particular特定 version of these stories故事.
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有所質疑
12:06
The fact事實 that some people believe
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有些人相信
12:08
an omnipotent無所不能 god will resurrect復活 them to live生活 again
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一位全能的神會使他們復活
12:11
and others其他 believe an omnipotent無所不能 scientist科學家 will do it
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而其他人相信萬能的科學會使他們復活
12:15
suggests提示 that neither也不 are really believing相信 this
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這些都說明人們不是因著證據
12:18
on the strength強度 of the evidence證據.
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相信這些故事
12:20
Rather, we believe these stories故事
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我們相信這些故事
12:23
because we are biased to believe them,
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只因為我們的偏誤而相信故事
12:25
and we are biased to believe them
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我們會偏誤而相信故事
12:27
because we are so afraid害怕 of death死亡.
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是因為我們對死亡的恐懼
12:31
So the question is,
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問題是
12:33
are we doomed注定 to lead the one life we have
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我們是否讓我們的人生注定
12:36
in a way that is shaped成形 by fear恐懼 and denial否認,
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被恐懼和抗拒支配
12:40
or can we overcome克服 this bias偏壓?
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還是我們可以克服這個偏誤?
12:43
Well the Greek希臘語 philosopher哲學家 Epicurus伊壁鳩魯
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希臘哲學家伊比鳩魯
12:46
thought we could.
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認為我們可以
12:47
He argued爭論 that the fear恐懼 of death死亡 is natural自然,
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他主張對死亡的恐懼是天生的
12:51
but it is not rational合理的.
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但並非理性的
12:53
"Death死亡," he said, "is nothing to us,
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他說:「死亡對我們來說不算什麼,
12:56
because when we are here, death死亡 is not,
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因為當我們在這裡,死亡就不在;
12:59
and when death死亡 is here, we are gone走了."
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而當死亡在這裡,我們就不在了。」
13:03
Now this is often經常 quoted, but it's difficult
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這句話常被引用
13:04
to really grasp把握, to really internalize內在,
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但很難領會、真正內化它
13:07
because exactly究竟 this idea理念 of being存在 gone走了
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因為所謂的「不在這裡」
13:09
is so difficult to imagine想像.
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是很難想像的
13:11
So 2,000 years年份 later後來, another另一個 philosopher哲學家,
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所以兩千年之後,另一個哲學家
13:13
Ludwig路德維希 Wittgenstein維特根斯坦, put it like this:
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路德維希.維根斯坦這樣說:
13:17
"Death死亡 is not an event事件 in life:
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「死亡不是生命中的一件事,
13:20
We do not live生活 to experience經驗 death死亡.
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我們並非活著來體驗死亡。
13:23
And so," he added添加,
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所以,
13:25
"in this sense, life has no end結束."
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從這個觀點來看,生命是沒有終點的。」
13:27
So it was natural自然 for me as a child兒童
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當我還小的時候
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to fear恐懼 being存在 swallowed吞食 by the void空虛,
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很自然地對於被虛無吞沒產生恐懼
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but it wasn't rational合理的,
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但這並非理性的
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because being存在 swallowed吞食 by the void空虛
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因為被虛無吞沒
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is not something that any of us
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並不是一件任何人
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will ever live生活 to experience經驗.
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會活著經歷的事情
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Now, overcoming克服 this bias偏壓 is not easy簡單 because
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克服偏誤不是一件容易的事
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the fear恐懼 of death死亡 is so deeply embedded嵌入式 in us,
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因為對死亡的恐懼深植在我們之中
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yet然而 when we see that the fear恐懼 itself本身 is not rational合理的,
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但當我們了解這恐懼是不理性的
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and when we bring帶來 out into the open打開
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當我們可以在檯面上提出來
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the ways方法 in which哪一個 it can unconsciously不知不覺 bias偏壓 us,
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這恐懼會無意識地讓我們偏誤
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then we can at least最小 start開始
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那至少我們可以開始
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to try to minimize最小化 the influence影響 it has
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嘗試去減小它在我們生命中的
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on our lives生活.
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影響
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Now, I find it helps幫助 to see life
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我發覺把生命
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as being存在 like a book:
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當作是一本書會有幫助:
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Just as a book is bounded by its covers蓋子,
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就像書受限於有開頭和結尾
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by beginning開始 and end結束,
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被書皮包覆著
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so our lives生活 are bounded by birth分娩 and death死亡,
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就像我們的生命被出生和死亡包覆著
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and even though雖然 a book is
limited有限 by beginning開始 and end結束,
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即使書本受限於要有開頭和結尾
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it can encompass環繞 distant遙遠 landscapes景觀,
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但它可以包含遠處的風光
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exotic異國情調 figures人物, fantastic奇妙 adventures冒險.
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異國風情的人物與奇幻的冒險
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And even though雖然 a book is
limited有限 by beginning開始 and end結束,
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即使書本必須有開頭和結尾
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the characters人物 within it
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其中的人物
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know no horizons視野.
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不知道有邊界
14:32
They only know the moments瞬間
that make up their story故事,
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只知道當下要活出他們的故事
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even when the book is closed關閉.
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即使書本被闔起來之後也一樣
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And so the characters人物 of a book
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所以書本中的人物
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are not afraid害怕 of reaching到達 the last page.
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不會害怕走到最後一頁
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Long John約翰 Silver is not afraid害怕 of you
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史約翰不會害怕
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finishing精加工 your copy複製 of "Treasure寶藏 Island."
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你讀完《金銀島》
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And so it should be with us.
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所以我們也當如此
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Imagine想像 the book of your life,
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想像一本關於你生命的書
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its covers蓋子, its beginning開始 and end結束,
and your birth分娩 and your death死亡.
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它的封面、開頭和結尾
以及你的出生和死亡
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You can only know the moments瞬間 in between之間,
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而你只知道這之間
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the moments瞬間 that make up your life.
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能活出你生命的時刻
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It makes品牌 no sense for you to fear恐懼
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這不該讓你
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what is outside of those covers蓋子,
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對書皮之外的事恐懼
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whether是否 before your birth分娩
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不管是你出生之前
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or after your death死亡.
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或是死亡之後
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And you needn't不用 worry擔心 how long the book is,
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你不必擔心書本有多厚
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or whether是否 it's a comic滑稽 strip跳閘 or an epic史詩.
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它是連環漫畫或是長篇史詩
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The only thing that matters事項
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唯一重要的事情是
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is that you make it a good story故事.
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你有一個好的故事
15:19
Thank you.
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謝謝
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(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
Translated by Wen-Hsin (Willy) Feng
Reviewed by Marssi Draw

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Stephen Cave - Philosopher
Philosopher Stephen Cave wants to know: Why is humanity so obsessed with living forever?

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Stephen Cave is a writer and philosopher who is obsessed with our obsession with immortality. In 2012 he published Immortality: The Quest to Live Forever and How It Drives Civilization, an inquiry into humanity's rather irrational resistance to the inevitability of death. Cave moves across time and history's major civilizations and religions to explore just what drives this instinct -- and what that means for the future. Cave writes for The Financial Times and contributes to The New York Times, The Guardian and Wired.

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