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Aziz Abu Sarah: For more tolerance, we need more ... tourism?
阿齊茲‧阿布‧沙拉: 要得到更多的忍讓，我們需的是更多的觀光業
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阿齊茲‧阿布‧沙拉是個巴勒斯坦積極運動者，靠著獨特的方法來維持和平：當導遊。這位 TED 研究會員說明如何與不同文化的人簡單互動，就能瓦解數十年來的厭惡感，他從與巴勒斯坦人一起參觀以色列開始，再繼續推進......
Aziz Abu Sarah - Entrepreneur + educator
Aziz Abu Sarah helps people break down cultural and historical barriers through tourism. Full bio
Aziz Abu Sarah helps people break down cultural and historical barriers through tourism. Full bio
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00:12
I'm a tourism entrepreneur
and a peacebuilder,
and a peacebuilder,
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我是位旅遊業的業者兼和平建立者，
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but this is not how I started.
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但是這並不是我一開始就在做的，
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When I was seven years old,
I remember watching television
I remember watching television
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當我在7歲大的時候我記得
看到電視有人在扔擲石頭，
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and seeing people throwing rocks,
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and thinking, this must be
a fun thing to do.
a fun thing to do.
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我就認為會這麼做這肯定是好玩的事，
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So I got out to the street
and threw rocks,
and threw rocks,
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因此我走到街上丟擲石頭，
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not realizing I was supposed
to throw rocks at Israeli cars.
to throw rocks at Israeli cars.
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卻不明白我應該是要往
以色列的車子扔石頭，
以色列的車子扔石頭，
00:34
Instead, I ended up stoning
my neighbors' cars. (Laughter)
my neighbors' cars. (Laughter)
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反而結果我是用石頭砸我鄰居的車！
(笑聲)
(笑聲)
00:38
They were not enthusiastic
about my patriotism.
about my patriotism.
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對我的愛國情操他們並不是太感動的。
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This is my picture with my brother.
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這是我和我兄弟的照片，
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This is me, the little one,
and I know what you're thinking:
and I know what you're thinking:
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這是我就是比較小的這一位，
而我也知道你正在想什麼啦，
而我也知道你正在想什麼啦，
00:47
"You used to look cute,
what the heck happened to you?"
what the heck happened to you?"
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「你以前看起來很可愛呀，
在你身上到底發生過什麼鳥事啊?」
在你身上到底發生過什麼鳥事啊?」
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But my brother, who is older than me,
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但是年紀比我大的兄弟，
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was arrested when he was 18,
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在18歲的時候就被逮捕了關進監獄裡，
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taken to prison on charges
of throwing stones.
of throwing stones.
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因為被控扔擲石頭，
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He was beaten up when he refused
to confess that he threw stones,
to confess that he threw stones,
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當他拒絕認罪是他扔的石塊
他就受到毆打了，
他就受到毆打了，
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and as a result, had internal injuries
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結果就發生內出血，
01:04
that caused his death soon after
he was released from prison.
he was released from prison.
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從監獄獲釋後沒多久引發他的死亡，
01:08
I was angry, I was bitter,
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我是氣憤、痛苦的，
01:12
and all I wanted was revenge.
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我一心一意想要做的就是報仇。
01:16
But that changed when I was 18.
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但是當我18歲的時候想法變了，
01:18
I decided that I needed
Hebrew to get a job,
Hebrew to get a job,
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我想好我需要會希伯來文以獲得工作，
01:22
and going to study Hebrew
in that classroom
in that classroom
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然後就去學希伯來文，
在那個教室裡我平生第一次
見到不是軍人的猶太人，
見到不是軍人的猶太人，
01:24
was the first time I ever met Jews
who were not soldiers.
who were not soldiers.
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01:30
And we connected over really small things,
like the fact that I love country music,
like the fact that I love country music,
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然後我們在真正的小事情上起了連結，
就像是我喜愛鄉村音樂這個事實，
就像是我喜愛鄉村音樂這個事實，
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which is really strange
for Palestinians.
for Palestinians.
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這對巴基斯坦人來說真的很奇怪，
01:38
But it was then that I realized also
that we have a wall of anger,
that we have a wall of anger,
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不過也在那個時候我體認到
有憤怒、憎惡、無知的屏障劃分開我們，
01:43
of hatred and of ignorance
that separates us.
that separates us.
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01:48
I decided that it doesn't matter
what happens to me.
what happens to me.
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我想好了發生在我身上的事情並重要，
01:53
What really matters is how I deal with it.
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真正重要的是我如何來應對它，
01:56
And therefore, I decided
to dedicate my life
to dedicate my life
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因此我決定要投入我的人生，
01:59
to bringing down the walls
that separate people.
that separate people.
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來弄垮把大家劃分開的屏障。
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I do so through many ways.
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我透過許多方法這麼做，
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Tourism is one of them,
but also media and education,
but also media and education,
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旅遊業就是其中之一，
也還有媒體和教育等等，
也還有媒體和教育等等，
02:08
and you might be wondering,
really, can tourism change things?
really, can tourism change things?
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你可能會好奇說真的嗎?
旅遊業可以改變事情嗎?
旅遊業可以改變事情嗎?
02:12
Can it bring down walls? Yes.
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它能夠弄垮屏障嗎?
沒錯！旅遊業就是最佳且持續
的方法來拉低這些屏障，
的方法來拉低這些屏障，
02:14
Tourism is the best sustainable way
to bring down those walls
to bring down those walls
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02:19
and to create a sustainable way
of connecting with each other
of connecting with each other
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以及創造一個持續的方法
連結彼此、產生友誼。
連結彼此、產生友誼。
02:23
and creating friendships.
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02:26
In 2009, I cofounded Mejdi Tours,
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在2009年時我和別人
共同成立了Mejdi旅行社，
共同成立了Mejdi旅行社，
02:29
a social enterprise that
aims to connect people,
aims to connect people,
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一個社會企業志在連結大眾，
02:33
with two Jewish friends, by the way,
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順帶一提是與兩個猶太朋友共同成立的，
02:35
and what we'll do, the model we did,
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我們怎麼做呢?我們的模式是
02:38
for example, in Jerusalem,
we would have two tour guides,
we would have two tour guides,
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好比在耶路撒冷我們會有兩個導遊，
02:41
one Israeli and one Palestinian,
guiding the trips together,
guiding the trips together,
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一個以色列人和一個巴勒斯坦人
一起導覽行程，
一起導覽行程，
02:44
telling history and narrative
and archaeology and conflict
and archaeology and conflict
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從截然不同的觀點講述歷史、故事、
考古學以及衝突，
考古學以及衝突，
02:48
from totally different perspectives.
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我記得和一個叫做寇比的朋友
共同導覽一個行程，
共同導覽一個行程，
02:51
I remember running a trip together
with a friend named Kobi --
with a friend named Kobi --
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Jewish congregation from Chicago,
the trip was in Jerusalem --
the trip was in Jerusalem --
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來自芝加哥的猶太教信徒，
行程是在耶路撒冷裡，
行程是在耶路撒冷裡，
02:57
and we took them to a refugee camp,
a Palestinian refugee camp,
a Palestinian refugee camp,
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然後我們帶他們到一個難民營去，
一個巴勒斯坦人的難民營；
一個巴勒斯坦人的難民營；
03:00
and there we had this amazing food.
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再那邊我們有著這種夢幻的食物，
03:02
By the way, this is my mother. She's cool.
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順帶一提這是我媽媽，她很了不起的，
03:05
And that's the Palestinian
food called maqluba.
food called maqluba.
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那個是巴勒斯坦人的食物
叫做「maqluba」，
叫做「maqluba」，
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It means "upside-down."
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它的意思是「上下翻轉過來」，
03:09
You cook it with rice and chicken,
and you flip it upside-down.
and you flip it upside-down.
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你用米飯還有雞肉來做料理，
然後你把它從上到下翻轉過來，
然後你把它從上到下翻轉過來，
03:12
It's the best meal ever.
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它就是有史以來最棒的一餐了，
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And we'll eat together.
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我們會一起來吃，
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Then we had a joint band,
Israeli and Palestinian musicians,
Israeli and Palestinian musicians,
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然後我們有一個聯合樂團，
以色列還有巴勒斯坦的樂手，
以色列還有巴勒斯坦的樂手，
03:18
and we did some belly-dancing.
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以及我們會跳些肚皮舞，
03:20
If you don't know any,
I'll teach you later.
I'll teach you later.
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如果你不會，待會我會教你，
03:23
But when we left, both sides,
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不過等到我們離開後雙方都在哭，
03:26
they were crying because
they did not want to leave.
they did not want to leave.
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就因為他們不想離開，
03:29
Three years later, those
relationships still exist.
relationships still exist.
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三年後這些牽連仍然維持著，
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Imagine with me
if the one billion people
if the one billion people
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跟我一起想像如果10億人，
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who travel internationally
every year travel like this,
every year travel like this,
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這些人每年做國際性旅行就像這樣，
03:39
not being taken in the bus
from one side to another,
from one side to another,
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不是在被接到巴士後從某地到另一地、
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from one hotel to another,
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從某間旅館去到另一間，
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taking pictures from the windows
of their buses of people and cultures,
of their buses of people and cultures,
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從他們巴士上的窗戶來拍照，
拍人和拍文化背景，
拍人和拍文化背景，
03:48
but actually connecting with people.
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而是真的和人產生連結，
03:52
You know, I remember having
a Muslim group from the U.K.
a Muslim group from the U.K.
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你知道嗎我記得有一群
來自英國的穆斯林們，
來自英國的穆斯林們，
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going to the house
of an Orthodox Jewish family,
of an Orthodox Jewish family,
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去到一間東正教猶太人家庭的房子，
03:58
and having their first Friday night
dinners, that Sabbath dinner,
dinners, that Sabbath dinner,
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享用了他們第一次的星期五晚餐:
「安息日晚餐」，
「安息日晚餐」，
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and eating together hamin,
which is a Jewish food, a stew,
which is a Jewish food, a stew,
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一起吃著一種叫「hamin」的猶太燉菜，
04:06
just having the connection
of realizing, after a while,
of realizing, after a while,
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過沒多久就有了熟識的連結，
04:09
that a hundred years ago,
their families came out
their families came out
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就是100年以前他們的家族，
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of the same place in Northern Africa.
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是來自北非的同一個地方，
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This is not a photo profile
for your Facebook.
for your Facebook.
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這並不是給你的臉書用的照片簡介、
04:18
This is not disaster tourism.
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不是悲劇旅遊；
04:20
This is the future of travel,
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這是將來的旅行，
04:23
and I invite you to join me to do that,
to change your travel.
to change your travel.
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而我邀請你加入我這麼做
來改變你的旅程，
來改變你的旅程，
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We're doing it all over the world now,
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我們如今正在全世界這樣做，
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from Ireland to Iran to Turkey,
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從以色列、伊朗和土耳其，
04:30
and we see ourselves going
everywhere to change the world.
everywhere to change the world.
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我們看著自己去到世界所有地方
要來改變世界。
要來改變世界。
04:33
Thank you.
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謝謝你們!
04:34
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Aziz Abu Sarah - Entrepreneur + educatorAziz Abu Sarah helps people break down cultural and historical barriers through tourism.
Why you should listen
When Aziz Abu Sarah was a boy, his older brother was arrested on charges of throwing stones. He was taken to prison and beaten — and died of his injuries. Sarah grew up angry, bitter and wanting revenge. But when later in life he met, for the first time, Jews who were not soldiers, Sarah had an epiphany: Not only did they share his love of small things, namely country music, but coming face to face with the “enemy” compelled him to find ways to overcome hatred, anger and fear.
Sarah founded MEJDI Tours to send tourists to Jerusalem with two guides, one Jewish and one Palestinian, each offering a different history and narrative of the city. Sarah tells success stories of tourists from the US visiting a Palestinian refugee camp and listening to joint Arab and Jewish bands play music, and of a Muslim family from the UK sharing Sabbath dinner with a Jewish family and realizing that 100 years ago, their people came from the same town in Northern Africa. MEJDI is expanding its service to Iran, Turkey, Ireland and other regions suffering from cultural conflict. If more of the world’s 1 billion tourists were to engage with real people living real lives, argues Sarah, it would be a powerful force for shattering sterotypes and promoting understanding, friendship and peace.
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