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Manwar Ali: Inside the mind of a former radical jihadist
阿里: 窺探前激進聖戰士的內心
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「有很長一段時間，我為死亡而活。」阿里說。阿里曾是激進聖戰士，曾於 1980 年代在中東和亞洲參與暴力武裝運動。在這動人心弦的演講中，他透過自己的激進經驗，強而有力地呼籲認為暴力血腥是高尚美德的伊斯蘭主義族群：放下憤怒與仇恨吧！他說，何不培養自己的心思，發現別人身上的真善美。
Manwar Ali - Peace activist
A former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism. Full bio
A former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism. Full bio
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00:12
Today I stand before you
as a man who lives life to the full
as a man who lives life to the full
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今天我以能在此時此刻
徹底享受人生的身分
徹底享受人生的身分
00:16
in the here and now.
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站在你們面前。
00:19
But for a long time,
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但曾有很長一段期間，
00:20
I lived for death.
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我為死亡而活。
00:23
I was a young man who believed
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我年少時相信
00:25
that jihad is to be understood
in the language of force and violence.
in the language of force and violence.
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所謂聖戰即代表了武力及暴力。
00:32
I tried to right wrongs
through power and aggression.
through power and aggression.
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我試著透過力量和侵略
修正他人的錯誤。
修正他人的錯誤。
00:37
I had deep concerns
for the suffering of others
for the suffering of others
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我深切地關心正在受苦受難的旁人，
00:42
and a strong desire
to help and bring relief to them.
to help and bring relief to them.
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並強烈地想幫助他們解脫。
00:49
I thought violent jihad was noble,
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我認為暴力性的聖戰
是一種高貴、
是一種高貴、
00:52
chivalrous
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驍勇的行為，
00:53
and the best way to help.
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也是幫助他人的最佳解藥。
00:57
At a time when so many of our people --
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在我們族群之中很多人──
00:59
young people especially --
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特別是年輕人──
01:00
are at risk of radicalization
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透過像是蓋達、
01:03
through groups like al-Qaeda,
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伊斯蘭國或其他組織，
01:05
Islamic State and others,
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因而處在激進化的邊緣，
01:07
when these groups are claiming
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當這些組織聲稱
01:09
that their horrific brutality
and violence are true jihad,
and violence are true jihad,
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他們的暴行才是真正的聖戰之時，
01:14
I want to say that their idea
of jihad is wrong --
of jihad is wrong --
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我得說他們對聖戰
這兩個字的概念有誤──
這兩個字的概念有誤──
01:18
completely wrong --
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大錯特錯──
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as was mine, then.
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就像是那時的我所認為的一樣。
01:23
Jihad means to strive to one's utmost.
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聖戰代表要盡一個人的全力。
01:26
It includes exertion and spirituality,
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這包含了各層面的功修、
01:29
self-purification
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自我淨化，
01:31
and devotion.
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以及奉獻精神。
01:34
It refers to positive transformation
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聖戰代表了透過學習、智慧
01:37
through learning, wisdom
and remembrance of God.
and remembrance of God.
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和紀念真主的正向轉型。
01:41
The word jihad stands
for all those meanings as a whole.
for all those meanings as a whole.
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聖戰這一詞概括了前述的所有概念。
01:46
Jihad may at times
take the form of fighting,
take the form of fighting,
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聖戰有時的確透過打鬥的形式，
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but only sometimes,
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但只是有時候，
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under strict conditions,
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存在於嚴格的條件、
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within rules and limits.
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規則與限制之下。
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In Islam,
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伊斯蘭教相信，
02:01
the benefit of an act must outweigh
the harm or hardship it entails.
the harm or hardship it entails.
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一個行為帶來的好處，
必須大於其將帶來的傷害。
必須大於其將帶來的傷害。
02:07
More importantly,
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更重要的是，
02:09
the verses in the Koran
that are connected to jihad or fighting
that are connected to jihad or fighting
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可蘭經中對於聖戰或打鬥的描述，
02:13
do not cancel out the verses
that talk about forgiveness,
that talk about forgiveness,
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不能抵消經文中對於饒恕、
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benevolence
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仁愛、
02:20
or patience.
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以及耐心的價值。
02:25
But now I believe that there are
no circumstances on earth
no circumstances on earth
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現在我相信地球上沒有任何地方
02:29
where violent jihad is permissible,
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會允許暴力性的聖戰，
02:32
because it will lead to greater harm.
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因為這只會帶來更大的傷害。
02:37
But now the idea of jihad
has been hijacked.
has been hijacked.
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但如今聖戰的定義被劫持去了。
02:40
It has been perverted
to mean violent struggle
to mean violent struggle
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它反常地代表了暴力性的鬥爭：
02:43
wherever Muslims
are undergoing difficulties,
are undergoing difficulties,
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每當穆斯林遇到困難，
02:46
and turned into terrorism
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就會因為像是蓋達、
02:48
by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda,
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伊斯蘭國等法西斯伊斯蘭教徒
02:51
Islamic State and others.
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而變成恐怖份子。
02:54
But I have come to understand
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但我現在瞭解了，
02:56
that true jihad
means striving to the utmost
means striving to the utmost
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真正的聖戰代表了盡全力
03:00
to strengthen and live
those qualities which God loves:
those qualities which God loves:
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加強並活出真主所喜愛的特質：
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honesty, trustworthiness,
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正直、信賴、
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compassion, benevolence,
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同情、仁愛、
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reliability, respect,
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可靠、尊重、
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truthfulness --
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和真誠──
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human values that so many of us share.
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這都是眾人所共享的價值觀。
03:18
I was born in Bangladesh,
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我出生於孟加拉，
03:20
but grew up mostly in England.
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但多數時間在英國長大。
03:22
And I went to school here.
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也在這裡就學。
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My father was an academic,
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我父親是位學者，
03:26
and we were in the UK through his work.
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我們因為他的工作來到英國。
03:30
In 1971 we were in Bangladesh
when everything changed.
when everything changed.
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1971 年我們在孟加拉，
一切風雲變色。
一切風雲變色。
03:36
The War of Independence
impacted upon us terribly,
impacted upon us terribly,
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獨立戰爭嚴重衝擊我們，
03:39
pitting family against family,
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造成家家對立，
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neighbor against neighbor.
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鄰里反目成仇。
03:43
And at the age of 12 I experienced war,
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我 12 歲時就經歷了戰爭、
03:46
destitution in my family,
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家道中落、
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the deaths of 22
of my relatives in horrible ways,
of my relatives in horrible ways,
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22 位親戚慘死，
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as well as the murder of my elder brother.
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同時我哥哥被謀殺。
03:59
I witnessed killing ...
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我見證了殺戮…
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animals feeding on corpses in the streets,
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動物啃食街道上的屍體，
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starvation all around me,
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大家莫不飢餓難耐，
04:07
wanton, horrific violence --
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還有可怕的暴行肆虐——
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senseless violence.
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無謂的暴行。
04:14
I was a young man,
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我那時還年輕，
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teenager, fascinated by ideas.
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為各種想法著迷。
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I wanted to learn,
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我想學習，
04:20
but I could not go to school
for four years.
for four years.
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但我整整 4 年無法就學。
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After the War of Independence,
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獨立戰爭之後，
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my father was put in prison
for two and a half years,
for two and a half years,
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我父親坐了兩年半的牢。
04:29
and I used to visit him
every week in prison,
every week in prison,
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我每個禮拜都去探監，
04:33
and homeschooled myself.
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並在家自學。
04:36
My father was released in 1973
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我父親於 1973 年被釋放，
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and he fled to England as a refugee,
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他以難民的身分逃去英國，
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and we soon followed him.
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我們之後也跟著他去。
04:44
I was 17.
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我那年 17 歲。
04:46
So these experiences gave me
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這些經驗
04:48
a sharp awareness of the atrocities
and injustices in the world.
and injustices in the world.
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讓我清楚地意識到
世界上的暴行和不公不義。
世界上的暴行和不公不義。
04:54
And I had a strong desire --
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而我產生強烈的慾望──
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a very keen, deep desire --
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深至心坎的強烈慾望──
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to right wrongs
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要修正錯誤，
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and help the victims of oppression.
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並幫助受壓迫的人們。
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While studying at college in the UK,
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當我在英國讀大學時，
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I met others who showed me
how I could channel that desire
how I could channel that desire
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我遇到了能教我實現願望的人，
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and help through my religion.
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他們將透過我的信仰幫忙。
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And I was radicalized --
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而我就被激進化了──
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enough to consider violence correct,
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這足以將暴力合理化，
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even a virtue under certain circumstances.
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在一些情況下，
甚至認為這是種美德。
甚至認為這是種美德。
05:24
So I became involved
in the jihad in Afghanistan.
in the jihad in Afghanistan.
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所以我參加了在阿富汗的聖戰。
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I wanted to protect the Muslim Afghan
population against the Soviet army.
population against the Soviet army.
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我想保護阿富汗的穆斯林人口
對抗蘇聯軍隊。
對抗蘇聯軍隊。
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And I thought that was jihad:
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我認為這就是聖戰：
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my sacred duty,
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我的天職，
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which would be rewarded by God.
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將為真主所讚揚。
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I became a preacher.
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我成了傳教者。
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I was one of the pioneers
of violent jihad in the UK.
of violent jihad in the UK.
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我是英國暴力聖戰的先鋒。
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I recruited,
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我招募、
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I raised funds, I trained.
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我集資、我訓練。
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I confused true jihad
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我將真正的聖戰，
05:59
with this perversion
as presented by the fascist Islamists --
as presented by the fascist Islamists --
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和法西斯伊斯蘭教徒
所提出的偏差聖戰搞混了。
所提出的偏差聖戰搞混了。
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these people who use the idea of jihad
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這些人假聖戰之名
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to justify their lust for power,
authority and control on earth:
authority and control on earth:
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將他們對一統天下的慾望合理化：
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a perversion perpetuated today
by fascist Islamist groups
by fascist Islamist groups
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這種偏差思想
被激進伊斯蘭組織延續至今，
被激進伊斯蘭組織延續至今，
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like al-Qaeda, Islamic State and others.
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像是蓋達、伊斯蘭國等。
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For a period of around 15 years,
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大概有 15 年的時間，
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I fought for short periods of time
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我除了在阿富汗，
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in Kashmir and Burma,
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還在喀什米爾和緬甸
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besides Afghanistan.
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做短暫的攻擊。
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Our aim was to remove the invaders,
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我們的目標是驅除侵略者，
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to bring relief to the oppressed victims
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解放受壓迫的人，
06:44
and of course to establish
an Islamic state,
an Islamic state,
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當然還有建立伊斯蘭版圖，
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a caliphate for God's rule.
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一個由真主統治的哈里發國。
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And I did this openly.
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我公開地做這些事。
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I didn't break any laws.
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我沒犯任何一條法律。
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I was proud and grateful to be British --
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我以身為英國人為榮──
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I still am.
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至今我仍然如此。
07:01
And I bore no hostility
against this, my country,
against this, my country,
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過去我對這裡，
對我的國家沒有敵意，
對我的國家沒有敵意，
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nor enmity towards
the non-Muslim citizens,
the non-Muslim citizens,
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對非穆斯林也沒有敵意，
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and I still don't.
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我現在還是沒有。
07:13
During one battle in Afghanistan,
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在阿富汗的一次打鬥當中，
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some British men and I
formed a special bond
formed a special bond
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我和一些英國人
對一位 15 歲的阿富汗男孩
對一位 15 歲的阿富汗男孩
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with a 15-year-old Afghani boy,
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產生了特別的連結。
07:22
Abdullah,
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他叫阿布杜拉，
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an innocent, loving and lovable kid
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是個純真、討喜的孩子，
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who was always eager to please.
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永遠都是那麼願意提供協助。
07:30
He was poor.
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他很窮。
07:32
And boys like him
did menial tasks in the camp.
did menial tasks in the camp.
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像他一樣的男孩在營區
都負責卑微的工作，
都負責卑微的工作，
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And he seemed happy enough,
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但他看起來心滿意足，
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but I couldn't help wonder --
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但我不禁想到
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his parents must have missed him dearly.
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他的家長一定非常想念他。
07:43
And they must have dreamt
about a better future for him.
about a better future for him.
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他們也一定曾為他
夢想過更好的未來。
夢想過更好的未來。
07:49
A victim of circumstance
caught up in a war,
caught up in a war,
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這是戰爭下的受害者，
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cruelly thrust upon him
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殘酷的社會條件
07:54
by the cruel circumstances of the time.
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無情地襲擊至他身上。
08:00
One day I picked up this unexploded
mortar shell in a trench,
mortar shell in a trench,
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一天我在壕溝撿起
一個未爆的迫擊砲彈，
一個未爆的迫擊砲彈，
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and I had it deposited
in a makeshift mud hut lab.
in a makeshift mud hut lab.
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並將之放在一個
臨時搭建的土屋實驗室，
臨時搭建的土屋實驗室，
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And I went out on a short,
pointless skirmish --
pointless skirmish --
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然後就出去打一場
毫無意義的小戰鬥──
毫無意義的小戰鬥──
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always pointless,
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爭鬥一直以來都毫無意義──
08:16
And I came back a few hours later
to discover he was dead.
to discover he was dead.
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幾個小時後我回來，男孩已經死了。
08:21
He had tried to recover
explosives from that shell.
explosives from that shell.
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他試圖取出裡面的炸藥，
08:23
It exploded, and he died a violent death,
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然後就被炸死了，
08:27
blown to bits by the very same device
that had proved harmless to me.
that had proved harmless to me.
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被我認為無害的那個裝置
炸得灰飛煙滅。
炸得灰飛煙滅。
08:33
So I started to question.
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我開始問，
08:36
How did his death serve any purpose?
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他的死有任何意義嗎？
08:42
Why did he die and I lived?
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為什麼他死了我卻活了下來？
08:45
I carried on.
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日子繼續下去。
08:47
I fought in Kashmir.
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我在喀什米爾打仗。
08:48
I also recruited for the Philippines,
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我也為菲律賓、
08:51
Bosnia and Chechnya.
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波士尼亞和車臣招募新成員。
08:54
And the questions grew.
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然而疑問愈來愈多。
08:57
Later in Burma,
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之後在緬甸，
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I came across Rohingya fighters,
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我遇到羅興亞人戰士，
09:02
who were barely teenagers,
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他們幾乎都是青少年，
09:04
born and brought up in the jungle,
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在叢林裡長大成人，
09:06
carrying machine guns
and grenade launchers.
and grenade launchers.
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他們帶著機槍和手榴彈。
09:12
I met two 13-year-olds
with soft manners and gentle voices.
with soft manners and gentle voices.
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我遇到兩個 13 歲，
彬彬有禮、口氣平順的孩子。
彬彬有禮、口氣平順的孩子。
09:18
Looking at me,
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他們看著我，
09:20
they begged me
to take them away to England.
to take them away to England.
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求我帶他們去英國。
09:28
They simply wanted to go to school --
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他們只是單純地想上學──
09:31
that was their dream.
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這對他們來說是夢想。
09:36
My family --
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我的家人──
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my children of the same age --
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跟他們同齡的小孩──
09:39
were living at home in the UK,
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都住在英國，
09:42
going to school,
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正常就學，
09:43
living a safe life.
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生活安穩。
09:45
And I couldn't help wonder
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我不禁納悶，
09:47
how much these young boys
must have spoken to one another
must have spoken to one another
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有多少這樣的男孩，得跟其他人
09:50
about their dreams for such a life.
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表露他們對這種生活的渴望。
09:54
Victims of circumstances:
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時局下的受害者：
09:58
these two young boys,
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這兩個男孩，
10:00
sleeping rough on the ground,
looking up at the stars,
looking up at the stars,
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躺在粗糙的地上，仰望繁星，
10:03
cynically exploited by their leaders
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被他們的領導者肆無忌憚的利用，
10:05
for their personal lust
for glory and power.
for glory and power.
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只為了滿足他們
對權力和虛榮的慾望。
對權力和虛榮的慾望。
10:09
I soon witnessed boys like them
killing one another
killing one another
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我不久就見到這些男孩
10:13
in conflicts between rival groups.
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因為敵對群體的紛爭自相殘殺。
10:17
And it was the same everywhere ...
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而且到處都一樣──
10:21
Afghanistan, Kashmir, Burma,
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阿富汗、喀什米爾、緬甸
10:23
Philippines, Chechnya;
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菲律賓、車臣；
10:26
petty warlords got the young
and vulnerable to kill one another
and vulnerable to kill one another
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小軍閥讓年輕人和弱勢者
以聖戰之名自相殘殺。
10:30
in the name of jihad.
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10:34
Muslims against Muslims.
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穆斯林對抗穆斯林。
10:37
Not protecting anyone
against invaders or occupiers;
against invaders or occupiers;
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既不是對抗入侵者或占領者；
10:42
not bringing relief to the oppressed.
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也沒有解救受壓迫的人民。
10:46
Children being used,
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小孩被利用，
10:47
cynically exploited;
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肆無忌憚的剝削；
10:49
people dying in conflicts
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人們死於衝突，
10:51
which I was supporting
in the name of jihad.
in the name of jihad.
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而我以聖戰之名支援這些紛爭。
10:56
And it still carries on today.
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時至今日這些情況還是存在。
11:03
Realizing that the violent jihad
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我驚覺到我在海外
11:07
I had engaged in abroad
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所參與的暴力聖戰，
11:13
was so different --
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跟我內心所想的完全不同。
11:17
such a chasm between
what I had experienced
what I had experienced
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我所經歷的，和我認為的神聖天職
11:22
and what I thought was sacred duty --
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有極大的斷層。
11:24
I had to reflect
on my activities here in the UK.
on my activities here in the UK.
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我得反思我在英國這裡的行為。
11:30
I had to consider my preaching,
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我得承認我的傳教、
11:32
recruiting, fund-raising,
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招募、集資、
11:33
training,
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訓練，
11:35
but most importantly, radicalizing --
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還有最重要的，激進化──
11:38
sending young people to fight and die
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也就是送年輕人去戰死
11:40
as I was doing --
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這些事──
11:42
all totally wrong.
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大錯特錯。
11:47
So I got involved
in violent jihad in the mid '80s,
in violent jihad in the mid '80s,
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我在 80 年代中期參與暴力聖戰，
11:51
starting with Afghanistan.
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從阿富汗發跡，
11:54
And by the time I finished
it was in the year 2000.
it was in the year 2000.
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而這一切止於 2000 年。
11:59
I was completely immersed in it.
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我那時沉浸在聖戰之中。
12:00
All around me people supported,
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我身邊的人都支持我、
12:02
applauded,
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贊同我、
12:03
even celebrated what
we were doing in their name.
we were doing in their name.
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甚至慶祝我們的所作所為。
12:08
But by the time I learned to get out,
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但當我覺醒時，
12:10
completely disillusioned in the year 2000,
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在 2000 年徹底幻滅時，
12:12
15 years had passed.
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已經 15 年過去了。
12:17
So what goes wrong?
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哪裡出錯了？
12:20
We were so busy talking about virtue,
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我們忙著談論美德，
12:25
and we were blinded by a cause.
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並被理想所盲目。
12:32
And we did not give ourselves a chance
to develop a virtuous character.
to develop a virtuous character.
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我們並沒有給自己機會
發展美善的性格。
發展美善的性格。
12:37
We told ourselves
we were fighting for the oppressed,
we were fighting for the oppressed,
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我們告訴自己
這是在為受苦受難的人奮鬥，
這是在為受苦受難的人奮鬥，
12:41
but these were unwinnable wars.
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但這是場贏不了的戰爭。
12:45
We became the very instrument
through which more deaths occurred,
through which more deaths occurred,
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我們成為死神的工具，
12:49
complicit in causing further misery
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為了少數殘暴者的自私自利，
12:53
for the selfish benefit of the cruel few.
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製造更多的悲劇。
13:04
So over time,
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時間流逝，
13:05
a very long time,
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過了好一陣子，
13:08
I opened my eyes.
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我睜開雙眼，
13:11
I began to dare
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我開始有勇氣
13:15
to face the truth,
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面對真相，
13:16
to think,
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開始思考，
13:19
to face the hard questions.
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開始面對艱難的問題。
13:21
I got in touch with my soul.
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我與我內心的靈魂接觸。
13:34
What have I learned?
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那我學到了什麼？
13:36
That people who engage
in violent jihadism,
in violent jihadism,
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參加暴力聖戰的人、
13:42
that people who are drawn
to these types of extremisms,
to these types of extremisms,
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墮入極端主義的人，
13:46
are not that different to everyone else.
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其實並沒有與我們相差甚遠。
13:49
But I believe such people can change.
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我相信那些人是可以改變的。
13:54
They can regain their hearts
and restore them
and restore them
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他們能重拾本心，
13:57
by filling them
with human values that heal.
with human values that heal.
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能用療傷止痛的人性價值
填補心中的缺口。
填補心中的缺口。
14:07
When we ignore the realities,
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當我們忽略現實，
14:09
we discover that we accept what
we are told without critical reflection.
we are told without critical reflection.
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我們會毫無疑問地
接受被告知的東西。
接受被告知的東西。
14:17
And we ignore the gifts and advantages
that many of us would cherish
that many of us would cherish
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我們也會忽視
眾所珍愛的天賦和優勢，
眾所珍愛的天賦和優勢，
14:21
even for a single moment in their lives.
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即便那僅占了生命的一小部分。
14:28
I engaged in actions
I thought were correct.
I thought were correct.
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我做了我認為對的事。
14:33
But now I began to question
how I knew what I knew.
how I knew what I knew.
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但我現在開始質疑
我怎麼知道我知道什麼。
我怎麼知道我知道什麼。
14:39
I endlessly told others
to accept the truth,
to accept the truth,
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我無止盡地要眾人接受真理，
14:43
but I failed to give doubt
its rightful place.
its rightful place.
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但我忘了質疑它的合宜性。
14:52
This conviction that people can change
is rooted in my experience,
is rooted in my experience,
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人能改變的信念
根深蒂固在我的經驗中，
根深蒂固在我的經驗中，
14:57
my own journey.
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也在我人生的旅途中。
15:00
Through wide reading,
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透過廣泛閱讀、
15:02
reflecting,
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反省、
15:04
contemplation, self-knowledge,
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沉思、自我認知，
15:06
I discovered,
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我發現，我了解到
15:07
I realized that Islamists' world
of us and them is false and unjust.
of us and them is false and unjust.
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我們與他們的伊斯蘭主義者世界
竟是如此錯誤與不公不義。
竟是如此錯誤與不公不義。
15:16
Through considering the uncertainties
in all that we had asserted,
in all that we had asserted,
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透過反思所有我們主張的事實，
15:21
to the inviolable truths,
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反思我們認為不可侵犯、
15:23
incontestable truths,
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無庸置疑的事實，
15:26
I developed a more nuanced understanding.
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我產生了更深入細微的理解。
15:36
I realized that in a world crowded
with variation and contradiction,
with variation and contradiction,
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我發現在這充滿歧異與矛盾的世界，
15:41
foolish preachers,
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愚昧的傳教者，
15:43
only foolish preachers
like I used to be,
like I used to be,
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也只有像過去的我
這種愚昧的傳教者，
這種愚昧的傳教者，
15:46
see no paradox in the myths and fictions
they use to assert authenticity.
they use to assert authenticity.
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才會看不出他們所斷言的
真相其實充滿矛盾。
真相其實充滿矛盾。
15:53
So I understood the vital
importance of self-knowledge,
importance of self-knowledge,
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我理解了自我認知、
15:57
political awareness
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政治意識、
16:00
and the necessity
for a deep and wide understanding
for a deep and wide understanding
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及深入理解我們所作所為的必要性，
16:04
of our commitments and our actions,
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及這些會如何影響他人，
16:07
how they affect others.
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是何其的重要。
16:10
So my plea today to everyone,
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所以我今天向大家懇求，
16:12
especially those who sincerely
believe in Islamist jihadism ...
believe in Islamist jihadism ...
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特別是真誠相信伊斯蘭聖戰的人，
16:18
refuse dogmatic authority;
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要拒絕武斷性的權威；
16:22
let go of anger, hatred and violence;
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放下憤怒、仇恨與暴戾之氣；
16:27
learn to right wrongs
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學習不要以報復殘虐、
16:28
without even attempting to justify
cruel, unjust and futile behavior.
cruel, unjust and futile behavior.
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不公正的行為來修正錯誤。
16:36
Instead create a few
beautiful and useful things
beautiful and useful things
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去創造一些美麗實用的事物吧，
16:40
that outlive us.
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讓我們淵遠流長，
16:45
Approach the world, life,
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邁向嶄新世界，
16:47
with love.
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一個充滿愛的世界。
16:50
Learn to develop
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學習發展、
16:51
or cultivate your hearts
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或培育你的心思，
16:52
to see goodness, beauty and truth
in others and in the world.
in others and in the world.
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在別人身上或這個世界發現真善美。
16:57
That way we do matter
more to ourselves ...
more to ourselves ...
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如此一來，我們為了自己、
17:01
to each other,
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為了他人、
17:03
to our communities
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為了社會、
17:04
and, for me, to God.
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對我來說，也為了真主，
就盡了份力。
就盡了份力。
17:07
This is jihad --
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這就是聖戰──
17:08
my true jihad.
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我真正的聖戰。
17:10
Thank you.
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謝謝大家。
17:12
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Manwar Ali - Peace activistA former committed pioneer of violent jihad, Manwar Ali draws on his experience and deepening understanding of Islam to prevent radicalisation and extremism.
Why you should listen
Manwar Ali (also known as Abu Muntasir) is one of the few scholars in the UK who has been directly involved in jihad. For around fifteen years he radicalised, recruited, fundraised and fought in Afghanistan, Kashmir and Burma. Now he draws on this experience in his work with the UK's Home Office and Crown Prosecution Service.
Ali is a Muslim scholar who teaches Islam to restore balance, enhance human values and address issues of extremism through education, social projects, charitable events and open discussion. He works to foster peaceful coexistence through mutual understanding, good-neighborliness and caring engagement.
Ali founded the UK Muslim educational charity JIMAS and pioneered Zakat distribution in the UK. For more than 30 years he has had extensive experience in teaching Islam. He has helped make British Islam relevant and important to life now, preparing many students for life and leading the way in practicing civic engagement as an Imam.
Ali holds a B.Sc. (Hons) and M.Sc. in Computer Science, an MA in Islamic Studies and a Diploma in Arabic.
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