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Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

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Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.

Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.

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Julia Sweeney: Letting go of God

Julia Sweeney falando de se libertar de Deus

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Julia Sweeney (Deus Disse "Ha!") mostra os primeiros 15 minutos do seu show solo "Se Libertando de Deus". Quando dois jovens missionários Mórmons batem em sua porta um dia, o evento marca o início de um completo repensar de suas próprias crenças.
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On September 10, the morning of my seventh birthday,
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Dia 10 de setembro, na manhã do meu sétimo aniversário,
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I came downstairs to the kitchen, where my mother was washing the dishes
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Eu desço para a cozinha, minha mãe lavando as louças
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and my father was reading the paper or something,
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e meu pai lendo o jornal ou algo assim,
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and I sort of presented myself to them in the doorway, and they said,
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e eu meio que me apresentei pra eles na porta, e eles disseram,
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"Hey, happy birthday!" And I said, "I'm seven."
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"Ei, feliz aniversário!." E eu disse, "Tenho sete anos."
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And my father smiled and said,
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E meu pai sorriu e disse,
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"Well, you know what that means, don't you?"
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"Bem, você sabe o que isso significa, né?"
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And I said, "Yeah, that I'm going to have a party and a cake
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E eu disse, "Sim, que eu vou ter uma festa e um bolo
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and get a lot of presents?" And my dad said, "Well, yes.
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e ganhar um monte de presentes?" E ele disse "Bem, sim.
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But, more importantly, being seven means that you've reached the age of reason,
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Mas, mais importante ainda, fazer sete significa chegar na idade da razão,
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and you're now capable of committing any and all sins against God and man."
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e você agora é capaz de cometer todo tipo de pecado contra Deus e o homem."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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Now, I had heard this phrase, "age of reason," before.
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Eu já havia ouvido essa frase, "idade da razão", antes
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Sister Mary Kevin had been bandying it about
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A Irmã Mary Kevin usava-a o tempo todo
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my second-grade class at school. But when she said it,
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na minha turma do segundo ano. Mas quando ela a dizia,
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the phrase seemed all caught up in the excitement of preparations
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a frase parecia mais como parte da excitação dos preparativos
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for our first communion and our first confession,
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para a nossa primeira comunhão e primeira confissão,
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and everybody knew that was really all about the white dress and the white veil,
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e todo mundo sabia que a coisa toda se resumia ao vestido branco e ao véu branco,
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and anyway, I hadn't really paid all that much attention to that phrase, "age of reason."
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e de qualquer forma, eu nunca tinha prestado muita atenção naquilo, "idade da razão."
01:28
So, I said, "Yeah, yeah, age of reason. What does that mean again?"
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Então eu disse "Ah tá, idade da razão. O que é isso mesmo?"
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And my dad said, "Well, we believe in the Catholic Church
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E meu pai disse "Bem, a gente acredita, na Igreja Católica
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that God knows that little kids don't know the difference between right and wrong,
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que Deus sabe que crianças pequenas não sabem a diferença entre certo e errado,
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but when you're seven, you're old enough to know better.
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mas quando você faz 7, você já é velha o suficiente pra saber.
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So, you've grown up, and reached the age of reason, and now
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Então, você cresceu, e chegou na idade da razão, e agora
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God will start keeping notes on you and begin your permanent record."
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Deu vai começar a anotar o que você fizer e começar a sua ficha permanente."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
01:51
And I said, "Oh. Wait a minute. You mean all that time,
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E eu disse, "Ei, espera um minuto. Você quer dizer que este tempo todo,
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up till today, all that time I was so good, God didn't notice it?"
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até hoje, todo aquele tempo eu fui tão boazinha, e Deus não viu?"
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And my mom said, "Well, I noticed it."
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E minha mãe disse, "Bem, eu notei."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
02:09
And I thought, "How could I not have known this before?
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E eu pensei "Como eu não soube disso antes?"
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How could it not have sunk in when they'd been telling me?
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Como isso pode não ter feito sentido pra mim quando eles me contaram?
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All that being good and no real credit for it.
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Ser boazinha todo esse tempo e nenhum crédito por isso.
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And, worst of all, how could I not have realized this very important information
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E, o pior de tudo, como eu pude não ter me dando conta de algo tão importante
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until the very day that it was basically useless to me?"
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até o exato dia em que isso se tornou basicamente inútil?
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So I said, "Well, Mom and Dad, what about Santa Claus?
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E então eu disse, "Bem, mamãe, papai, e o Papai Noel?
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I mean, Santa Claus knows if you're naughty or nice, right?"
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Quero dizer, o Papai Noel sabe se você é boa ou má, certo?"
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And my dad said, "Yeah, but, honey,
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E meu pai disse, "Sim, mas querida,
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I think that's technically just between Thanksgiving and Christmas."
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Eu acho que tecnicamente só vale entre a Ação de Graças e o Natal."
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And my mother said, "Oh, Bob, stop it. Let's just tell her.
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E minha mãe disse "Ah, Bob, para. Vamos contar a ela.
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I mean, she's seven. Julie, there is no Santa Claus."
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Afinal, ela já tem sete. Julie, Papai Noel não existe."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
02:45
Now, this was actually not that upsetting to me.
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Na verdade, isso não me incomodou tanto assim.
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My parents had this whole elaborate story about Santa Claus:
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Meus pais tinha essa história estranha sobre o Papai Noel:
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how they had talked to Santa Claus himself and agreed
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como eles tinham com o Papai Noel eles mesmos e concordado
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that instead of Santa delivering our presents over the night of Christmas Eve,
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que ao invés do Papai Noel entregar nossos presentes na noite de Natal,
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like he did for every other family
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como em todas as outras famílias
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who got to open their surprises first thing Christmas morning,
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que abriam seus presentes bem no início da manhã de Natal,
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our family would give Santa more time.
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a nossa família daria a ele mais tempo.
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Santa would come to our house while we were at nine o'clock high mass
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O Papai Noel viria à nossa casa no horário da missa das nove
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on Christmas morning, but only if all of us kids did not make a fuss.
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na manhã de Natal, mas só se nós crianças não fizéssemos bagunça.
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Which made me very suspicious.
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O que me fez muito suspeita.
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It was pretty obvious that it was really our parents giving us the presents.
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Estava bem óbvio que eram os nossos pais dando os presentes.
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I mean, my dad had a very distinctive wrapping style,
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Meu pai tinha um estilo de embrulhar muito distinto,
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and my mother's handwriting was so close to Santa's.
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e a letra da mãe e a do Papai Noel eram tão parecidas.
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Plus, why would Santa save time by having to loop back
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Também, por que o Papai Noel economizaria tempo
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to our house after he'd gone to everybody else's?
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voltando à nossa casa depois de todas as outras?
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There's only one obvious conclusion to reach from this mountain of evidence:
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Só há uma conclusão óbvia a se fazer depois desta montanha de evidências:
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our family was too strange and weird
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nossa família era muito estranha e esquisita
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for even Santa Claus to come visit,
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até para que o Papai Noel nos visitasse,
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and my poor parents were trying to protect us from the embarrassment,
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e meus pobres pais tentavam nos proteger da vergonha,
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this humiliation of rejection by Santa, who was jolly --
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desta humilhação da rejeição pelo Papai Noel, que era alegre.
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but, let's face it, he was also very judgmental.
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Mas, admitamos, bastante crítico.
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So, to find out that there was no Santa Claus at all was actually sort of a relief.
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Então, descobrir que não havia um Papai Noel foi na verdade meio que um alívio.
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I left the kitchen not really in shock about Santa,
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Eu saí da cozinha não muito em choque com relação ao Papai Noel,
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but rather I was just dumbfounded
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mas meio que estupefata
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about how I could have missed this whole age of reason thing.
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pensando em como eu pude ter perdido toda essa idade da razão.
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It was too late for me, but maybe I could help someone else,
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Era tarde demais para mim, mas talvez eu pudesse ajudar alguém,
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someone who could use the information.
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alguém que pudesse usar a informação.
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They had to fit two criteria:
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Eles precisavam se encaixar em dois critérios:
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they had to be old enough to be able to understand
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eles tinham que ser velhos o suficiente para entender
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the whole concept of the age of reason, and not yet seven.
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todo o conceito da idade da razão, e ainda não ter sete anos.
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The answer was clear: my brother Bill. He was six.
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A reposta estava clara: meu irmão Bill, que tinha seis.
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Well, I finally found Bill about a block away from our house
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Bem, eu finalmente encontrei Bill há um quarteirão de casa
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at this public school playground. It was a Saturday,
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num parquinho público. Era sábado,
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and he was all by himself, just kicking a ball against the side of a wall.
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e ele estava lá sozinho, chutando uma bola contra a parede.
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I ran up to him and said, "Bill!
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Eu corri até ele e disse "Bill"
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I just realized that the age of reason starts when you turn seven,
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Eu descobri que a idade da razão começa aos sete anos,
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and then you're capable of committing any and all sins
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e então você é capaz de cometer todo e qualquer pecado
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against God and man." And Bill said, "So?" And then I said,
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contra Deus e o Homem." E o Bill disse, "E...?" E eu disse,
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"So, you're six. You have a whole year to do anything you want to
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"E, você tem seis. Você tem um ano pra fazer o que quiser
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and God won't notice it." And he said, "So?" And I said,
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e Deus não vai perceber." E ele disse, "E...?" E eu disse,
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"So? So everything!" And I turned to run. I was so angry with him.
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"E...? E tudo!!" E eu me virei e corri. Eu estava com tanta raiva dele.
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But when I got to the top of the steps, I turned around dramatically
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Mas quando eu cheguei no topo do parquinho, Eu me virei dramaticamente
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and said, "Oh, by the way, Bill, there is no Santa Claus."
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e disse, "Ah, sim, Bill, Papai Noel não existe."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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Now, I didn't know it at the time,
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Eu não sabia disso na época,
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but I really wasn't turning seven on September 10.
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mas eu não estava fazendo sete anos em 10 de Setembro.
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For my 13th birthday, I planned a slumber party with all of my girlfriends,
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No meu 13º aniversário, eu planejei uma festa do pijama com minhas amigas,
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but a couple of weeks beforehand my mother took me aside and said,
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mas algumas semanas antes minha mãe me puxou de lado e disse,
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"I need to speak to you privately.
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"Eu preciso falar com você a sós.
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September 10 is not your birthday. It's October 10." And I said, "What?"
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10 de setembro não é seu aniversário. É 10 de outubro." Eu disse "O quê?"
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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And she said, "Listen. The cut-off date to start kindergarten was September 15."
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E ela disse, "Olha. O limite para te matricular no jardim de infância era 15 de Setembro."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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"So, I told them that your birthday was on September 10,
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"Então, eu disse a eles que o seu aniversário era dia 10 de setembro,
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and then I wasn't sure that you weren't just going to go blab it all over the place,
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e aí fiquei com medo de que você saísse falando pra todo mundo a data certa,
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so I started to tell you your birthday was September 10.
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então eu comecei a te dizer que o seu aniversário era em 10 de setembro.
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But, Julie, you were so ready to start school, honey. You were so ready."
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Mas Julie, você estava mais que pronta pra escola, linda. Tão pronta."
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I thought about it, and when I was four,
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Eu pensei sobre isso, e quando eu tinha 4
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I was already the oldest of four children,
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eu já era a mais velha de quatro filhos,
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and my mother even had another child to come,
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e minha mãe tinha outro filho vindo,
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so what I think she understandably really meant was that she was so ready,
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então eu acho que, compreensivelmente, ela realmente disse que 'ela' estava pronta,
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she was so ready. Then she said,
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que ela estava pronta. Então ela disse,
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"Don't worry, Julie, every year on October 10 when it was your birthday
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"Não se preocupa, Julie, todo ano no seu aniversário, dia 10 de outubro
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but you didn't realize it, I made sure
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que você não sabia, eu me certificava
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that you ate a piece of cake that day."
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de que você comesse bolo naquele dia."
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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Which was comforting, but troubling.
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O que era reconfortante, mas perturbador.
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My mother had been celebrating my birthday with me, without me.
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Minha mãe vinha celebrando meu aniversário comigo, sem mim.
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What was so upsetting about this new piece of information
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O que era tão preocupante sobre esta nova informação
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was not that I was going to have to change the date of my slumber party
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não era que eu ia ter que mudar a data da minha festa do pijama
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with all of my girlfriends,
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com todas as minhas amigas,
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what was most upsetting was that this meant that I was not a Virgo.
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o que me preocupava mais era que isto significava que eu não era de Virgem.
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I had a huge Virgo poster in my bedroom,
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Eu tinha um pôster gigante de Virgem no meu quarto,
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and I read my horoscope every single day, and it was so totally me.
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e eu lia meu horóscopo todo santo dia, e tinha tudo a ver comigo!
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
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And this meant that I was a Libra?
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E isso significava que eu era de Libra?
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So, I took the bus downtown to get the new Libra poster.
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Então eu peguei o ônibus até o centro e comprei o pôster de Libra.
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The Virgo poster is a picture of a beautiful woman with long hair,
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O pôster de Virgem é uma figura de uma mulher linda de cabelos longos,
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sort of lounging by some water,
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meio que descansado perto da água,
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but the Libra poster is just a huge scale.
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mas o pôster de Libra era só uma balança enorme.
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This was around the time that I started filling out physically,
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Isso foi mais ou menos quando eu comecei a desenvolver corpo
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and I was filling out a lot more than a lot of the other girls,
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Eu estava desenvolvendo um pouco mais que um monte de outras garotas,
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and, frankly, the whole idea that my astrological sign was a scale
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e, francamente, a idéia de que o meu signo astrológico era uma balança
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just seemed ominous and depressing.
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parecia simplesmente agourenta e deprimente.
07:06
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
07:09
But I got the new Libra poster,
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Mas eu comprei o pôster,
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and I started to read my new Libra horoscope,
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e eu comecei a ler meu horóscopo de Libra,
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and I was astonished to find that it was also totally me.
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e descobri, incrédula, que também tinha tudo a ver comigo!
07:20
It wasn't until years later, looking back
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Só anos depois me dei conta, pensando
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on this whole age-of-reason/change-of-birthday thing,
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em toda esta coisa de idade da razão/mudança de aniversário,
07:25
that it dawned on me: I wasn't turning seven
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que eu me dei conta, Eu não fiz sete
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when I thought I turned seven. I had a whole other month
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quando eu achei que fiz. Eu tinha um mês inteiro
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to do anything I wanted to before God started keeping tabs on me.
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para fazer o que eu quisesse antes que Deus começasse a anotar.
07:34
Oh, life can be so cruel.
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Oh, a vida pode ser tão cruel!
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One day, two Mormon missionaries came to my door.
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Um dia, dois missionários Mórmons vieram à minha porta
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Now, I just live off a main thoroughfare in Los Angeles,
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Eu moro perto de uma estrada principal em Los Angeles,
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and my block is -- well, it's a natural beginning
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e o meu quarteirão é -- bem, um começo natural
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for people who are peddling things door to door.
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para pessoas que vão de porta em porta.
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Sometimes I get little old ladies from the Seventh Day Adventist Church
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Ás vezes essas senhoras da Igreja Adventista do Sétimo Dia vem aqui
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showing me these cartoon pictures of heaven.
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me mostrar esses desenhos do céu.
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And sometimes I get teenagers who promise me that they won't join a gang
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E às vezes vêm jovens que prometem que não vão entrar para uma gangue
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and just start robbing people if I only buy
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e começar a roubar pessoas se eu comprar
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some magazine subscriptions from them.
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algumas assinaturas de revista deles.
08:03
So, normally I just ignore the doorbell, but on this day I answered.
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Então normalmente eu só ignoro a campainha, mas este dia eu atendi.
08:08
And there stood two boys, each about 19,
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E lá estavam dois garotos, de uns 19 anos,
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in white starched short-sleeved shirts, and they had little name tags
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em camisa engomadas de manga curta, com cracházinhos
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that identified them as official representatives
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que os identificavam como representates oficiais
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of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
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da Igreja de Jesus Cristo dos Santos dos Últimos Dias,
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and they said they had a message for me from God.
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e eles disseram que tinham para mim de Deus.
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I said, "A message for me? From God?" And they said, "Yes."
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Eu disse, "Pra mim? De Deus?" E eles disseram, "Sim."
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Now, I was raised in the Pacific Northwest,
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Eu fui criada no Noroeste Pacífico
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around a lot of Church of Latter-day Saints people and, you know,
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perto de muita gente da Igreja dos Santos dos Últimos dias, e
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I've worked with them and even dated them,
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já trabalhei com eles e até namorei eles,
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but I never really knew the doctrine or what they said to people
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mas eu nunca soube da doutrina ou o que eles diziam às pessoas,
08:38
when they were out on a mission, and I guess I was, sort of, curious,
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quando eles saíam em missão, e eu acho que estava meio curiosa,
08:41
so I said, "Well, please, come in." And they looked really happy,
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então eu disse, "Por favor, entrem." E eles pareciam bem felizes,
08:44
because I don't think this happens to them all that often.
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por que eu não acho que isso aconteça com eles muito.
08:47
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
08:49
And I sat them down, and I got them glasses of water --
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E eu pedi que eles sentassem, e dei copos d'água a eles --
09:03
OK, I got it. I got them glasses of water.
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OK, consegui. Eu levei água para eles.
09:06
Don't touch my hair, that's the thing.
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Não tocar meu cabelo. É isso.
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(Laughter)
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(Risos)
09:11
You can't put a video of myself in front of me
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Não dá para pôr um vídeo de mim em frente a mim
09:14
and expect me not to fix my hair.
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e não querer que eu arrume o cabelo.
09:16
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
09:17
OK. So I sat them down and I got them glasses of water,
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OK. Então eu sentei com eles e dei água a eles .
09:23
and after niceties they said, "Do you believe that God loves you with all his heart?"
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E então eles disseram "Você acredita que Deus ama você com todo o coração dele?"
09:28
And I thought, "Well, of course I believe in God,
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E eu pensei "Bem, é claro que eu acredito em Deus,
09:32
but, you know, I don't like that word, heart,
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mas eu gosto dessa palavra, "coração",
09:34
because it anthropomorphizes God,
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porque ela antropomorfiza Deus,
09:37
and I don't like the word, 'his,' either, because that sexualizes God."
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e eu não gosto de "dele" também, pois a palavra sexualiza Deus."
09:41
But I didn't want to argue semantics with these boys,
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Mas eu não queria discutir semântica com estes garotos,
09:44
so after a very long, uncomfortable pause, I said
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então depois de uma longa, desconfortável pausa, eu disse
09:47
"Yes, yes, I do. I feel very loved."
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"Sim, sim, eu me sinto muito amada."
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And they looked at each other and smiled,
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E eles se olharam e sorriram,
09:53
like that was the right answer. And then they said,
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como se aquela fosse a resposta certa. E então disseram,
09:56
"Do you believe that we're all brothers and sisters on this planet?"
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Você acredita que somos todos irmãos e irmãs nesse planeta?
09:59
And I said, "Yes, I do. Yes, I do." And I was so relieved
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E eu disse, "Sim, acredito." E fiquei aliviada
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that it was a question I could answer so quickly.
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por ter sido uma pergunta que pude responder tão rápido.
10:04
And they said, "Well, then we have a story to tell you."
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E eles disseram: "Bem, então temos uma história para lhe contar."
10:08
And they told me this story all about this guy named Lehi,
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E me contaram uma história desse cara chamado Lehi,
10:11
who lived in Jerusalem in 600 BC.
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que morava em Jerusalem em 600 BC.
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Now, apparently in Jerusalem in 600 BC,
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Agora, aparentemente em Jerusalem em 600 BC,
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everyone was completely bad and evil. Every single one of them:
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todos eram completamente mau ou bom. Cada um deles;
10:19
man, woman, child, infant, fetus.
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homem, mulher, criança, bebê, feto.
10:22
And God came to Lehi and said to him, "Put your family on a boat
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E Deus foi até Lehi e disse, "Coloque sua família em um barco
10:25
and I will lead you out of here." And God did lead them.
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e e vou guia-los." E assim ele fez.
10:29
He led them to America.
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Os guiou até a America.
10:32
I said, "America? From Jerusalem to America by boat in 600 BC?"
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Eu disse, "America? De Jerusalem até a America de barco em 600 BC?"
10:40
And they said, "Yes."
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E eles disseram, "Sim"
10:42
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
10:44
Then they told me how Lehi and his descendants
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E me contaram como Lehi e seus descendentes
10:46
reproduced and reproduced, and over the course of 600 years
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se reproduziram, e ao longo dos 600 anos
10:49
there were two great races of them, the Nephites and the Lamanites,
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haviam duas grandes raças deles, os Nephites e os Lamanites,
10:52
and the Nephites were totally, totally good -- each and every one of them --
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e os Nephites eram totalmente, totalmente bons -- cada um deles --
10:55
and the Lamanites were totally bad and evil --
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e os Lamanites eram totalmente maus e perversos --
10:57
every single one of them just bad to the bone.
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cada um deles, maus até o assos.
10:59
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
11:00
Then, after Jesus died on the cross for our sins,
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Então depois que Jesus morreu na cruz pelos nossos pecados,
11:03
on his way up to heaven he stopped by America and visited the Nephites.
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no caminho para o céu ele parou na America para visitar os Nephites.
11:07
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
11:08
And he told them that if they all remained totally, totally good --
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E lhes disse que se eles permanecessem totalmente bons --
11:11
each and every one of them --
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cada um deles --
11:13
they would win the war against the evil Lamanites.
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eles ganhariam a guerra contra os maus Lamanites.
11:16
But apparently somebody blew it,
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Mas parece que alguem arruinou isso,
11:19
because the Lamanites were able to kill all the Nephites.
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porque os Lamanites conseguiram matar todos os Nephites.
11:21
All but one guy, this guy named Mormon,
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Todos menos um cara, chamado Mormon,
11:23
who managed to survive by hiding in the woods.
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que conseguiu sobreviver se escondendo na floresta.
11:26
And he made sure this whole story was written down
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E se assegurou de anotar toda esta história
11:29
in reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics chiseled onto gold plates,
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em hieroglifos egipcios reformados, gravados em placas de ouro,
11:33
which he then buried near Palmyra, New York.
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que ele então enterrou perto de Palmyra, Nova York.
11:37
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
11:42
Well, I was just on the edge of my seat.
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Bem, estava na sentada na beira da cadeira.
11:45
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
11:48
I said, "What happened to the Lamanites?"
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Eu disse, "O que aconteceu com os Lamanites?"
11:51
And they said, "Well, they became our Native Americans here in the U.S."
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Eles disseram, "Bem, eles se tornaram nossos índios aqui nos EUA."
11:54
And I said, "So, you believe the Native Americans are descended
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E eu disse,"Então vocês acreditam que os índios americanos são descendentes
11:58
from a people who were totally evil?" And they said, "Yes."
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de pessoas que eram totalmente más?" E eles disseram, "Sim."
12:02
Then they told me how this guy named Joseph Smith
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Daí me contaram como esse cara chamado Joseph Smith
12:05
found those buried gold plates right in his backyard,
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encontrou aquelas placas de ouro bem em seu quintal,
12:09
and he also found this magic stone back there that he put into his hat
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e também encontrou essa pedra mágica que ele colocou em seu chapéu
12:12
and then buried his face into, and this allowed him
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e enterrou o rosto la dentro, o que permitiu que ele
12:15
to translate the gold plates from the reformed Egyptian into English.
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traduzisse as placas de ouro do egipcio para o inglês.
12:19
Well, at this point I just wanted to give these two boys
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Bem, nesse ponto eu só queria dar a esses meninos
12:22
some advice about their pitch.
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um conselho sobre o papo deles.
12:24
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
12:27
I wanted to say, "OK, don't start with this story."
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Eu queria dizer, "OK, não comece com essa história."
12:34
I mean, even the Scientologists know to start with a personality test before they start --
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Quero dizer, até os cientologistas sabem que devem começar com um teste de personalidade antes --
12:39
(Applause)
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(Aplausos)
12:41
-- telling people all about Xenu, the evil intergalactic overlord.
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-- contar às pessoas sobre Xenu, o senhor intergalático do mal.
12:46
Well, then they said, "Do you believe that God speaks to us
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Bem, eles disseram, "Você acredita que Deus fala conosco
12:48
through his righteous prophets?" And I said, "No, I don't."
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através de seus verdadeiros profetas?" E eu disse, Não."
12:51
Because I was, sort of, upset about this Lamanite story
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Porque eu estava, meio frustrada com essa história de Lamanitas
12:53
and this crazy gold plate story, but the truth was,
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e essa história maluca de placas de ouro, mas na verdade,
12:56
I hadn't really thought this through, so I backpedaled a little and I said,
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eu não tinha realmente pensado sobre isso, então voltei um pouco atrás e disse,
13:00
"Well, what exactly do you mean by righteous?
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"Bem, o que vocês querem dizer com verdadeiros?
13:03
And what do you mean by prophets? Like, could the prophets be women?"
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E o que querem dizer com profetas? Tipo, os profetas poderiam ser mulheres?"
13:07
And they said, "No." And I said, "Why?" And they said,
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E disseram, "Não." E eu disse, "Por que?" E eles disseram,
13:11
"Well, it's because God gave women a gift that is so spectacular,
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"Bem, porque Deus deu às mulheres um dom espetacular,
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it is so wonderful, that the only gift he had left over to give men
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é tão maravilhoso, que o único dom que ele ainda tinha para dar aos homens
13:21
was the gift of prophecy."
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era o dom da profecia."
13:24
What is this wonderful gift God gave women, I wondered?
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Qual era esse dom tão maravilhoso que Deus deu às mulheres? Estava imaginando.
13:26
Maybe their greater ability to cooperate and adapt?
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Talvez sua habilidade de cooperar e adaptar?
13:31
Women's longer lifespan? The fact that women tend to be
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A espectativa de vida mais longa das mulheres? O fato de que as mulheres tendem a ser
13:34
much less violent than men? But, no, it wasn't any of these gifts.
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muito menos violentas que os homens? Mas, não, não era nada disso.
13:38
They said, "Well, it's her ability to bear children."
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Eles disseram, "Bem, é a capacidade de gerar crianças."
13:41
I said, "Oh, come on. I mean, even if women tried to have a baby
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Eu disse, "Ah, fala sério. Mesmo se as mulheres tentassem ter filhos
13:44
every single year from the time they were 15 to the time they were 45,
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todos os anos desde os 15 anos até os 45,
13:48
assuming they didn't die from exhaustion,
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supondo que não morressem de exaustão,
13:50
it still seems like some women would have some time left over
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ainda parece que algumas mulheres teriam algum tempo
13:53
to hear the word of God." And they said, "No."
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para ouvirem a palavra de Deus." E eles disseram, Não."
13:57
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
14:00
Well, then they didn't look so fresh-faced and cute to me any more,
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Bem, daí eles não me pareciam tão bonitinhos mais,
14:02
but they had more to say.
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mas tinham mais a dizer.
14:04
They said, "Well, we also believe that if you're a Mormon
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Disseram, "Bem, também cremos que se você é um Mormon
14:07
and if you're in good standing with the church, when you die
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e se está bem com a igreja, quando morrer
14:09
you get to go to heaven and be with your family for all eternity."
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vai para o céu e poderá ficar com sua família por toda a eternidade."
14:14
And I said, "Oh, dear --
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E eu disse. "Ai minha nossa --
14:16
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
14:23
-- that wouldn't be such a good incentive for me."
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-- este não seria um bom incentivo para mim."
14:25
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
14:26
And they said, "Oh -- hey, well, we also believe
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E eles disseram, "Ah -- bem, também cremos
14:31
that when you go to heaven you get your body restored
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que quando vai para o céu você recupera seu corpo
14:33
to you in its best original state.
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no seu melhor estado original.
14:36
Like, if you'd lost a leg, well, you get it back.
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Tipo, se perdesse uma perna, bem, você a receberia de volta.
14:38
Or, if you'd gone blind, you could see."
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ou, se ficasse cego, poderia enxergar de novo."
14:40
I said, "Oh -- now, I don't have a uterus because I had cancer
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Eu disse, "Ah -- vejam, não tenho útero porque tive câncer
14:44
a few years ago. So, does this mean that if I went to heaven
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ha alguns anos. Então, isso quer dizer que se for para o céu
14:47
I would get my old uterus back?" And they said, "Sure."
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teria meu velho útero de volta?" E eles disseram, "Claro."
14:51
And I said, "I don't want it back. I'm happy without it." Gosh.
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E eu disse, "Eu não o quero de volta. Estou feliz sem ele." Nossa.
14:57
What if you had a nose job and you liked it?
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E se você fizesse plástica no nariz e gostasse?
15:00
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
15:02
Would God force you to get your old nose back?
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Deus te obrigaria a aceitar ser antigo nariz de volta?
15:05
Well, then they gave me this Book of Mormon,
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Bem, eles me deram um Livro de Mórmon.
15:07
and they told me to read this chapter and that chapter,
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e me disseram para ler este e aquele capítulo,
15:09
and they said they'd come back some day and check in on me,
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e que voltariam algum dia para me testar,
15:11
and I think I said something like, "Please don't hurry,"
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e acho que eu disse algo do tipo, "Por favor não tenham pressa,"
15:13
or maybe it was just, "Please don't," and they were gone.
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ou talvez, "Por favor não voltem," e eles foram embora.
15:17
OK, so, I initially felt really superior to these boys,
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OK, então, inicialmente eu me senti superior aos garotos,
15:20
and smug in my more conventional faith. But then,
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e me senti segura em minha fé mais convencional. Mas daí,
15:23
the more I thought about it, the more I had to be honest with myself.
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quanto mais eu pensava sobre isso, mais eu tinha que ser honesta comigo mesma.
15:26
If someone came to my door and I was hearing Catholic theology
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Se alguem viesse até minha porta para me falar da teologia católica
15:29
and dogma for the very first time, and they said,
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e dos dogmas pela primeira vez, e dissessem,
15:32
"We believe that God impregnated a very young girl
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"Nós acreditamos que Deus engravidou uma jovem
15:35
without the use of intercourse,
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sem fazer sexo,
15:37
and the fact that she was a virgin is maniacally important to us --
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e o fato de que ela era vigem é loucamente importante para nós --
15:40
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
15:41
-- and she had a baby, and that's the son of God,"
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-- e ela teve um bebê, e esse é o filho de Deus,"
15:44
I mean, I would think that's equally ridiculous.
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quero dizer, eu pensaria que isso é igualmente ridículo.
15:47
I'm just so used to that story.
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Eu só estou acostumada com a historia.
15:49
(Laughter)
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(Risos)
15:50
So, I couldn't let myself feel condescending towards these boys.
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Então, não podia me permitir o sentimento de condescendência por esses garotos.
15:53
But the question they asked me when they first arrived
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Mas a primeira pergunta que eles me fizeram quando chegaram
15:55
really stuck in my head:
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realmente ficou na minha cabeça:
15:57
Did I believe that God loved me with all his heart?
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Será que eu acreditava que Deus me amava com todo seu coração?
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Because I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about that question.
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Porque eu não estava muito certa de como me sentia com relação a isso.
16:03
Now, if they'd asked me,
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Mas se eles tivessem me perguntado,
16:05
Do you feel that God loves you with all his heart?
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Você sente que Deus te ama com todo seu coração?
16:09
Well, that would have been much different, I think I would have instantly answered,
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Bem, isso teria sido muito diferente, eu teria respondido rapidamente,
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"Yes, yes, I feel it all the time. I feel God's love when I'm hurt and confused,
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Sim, sim, eu sinto isso o tempo todo. sinto o amor de Deus quando estou sofrendo e confusa,
16:17
and I feel consoled and cared for. I take shelter in God's love
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e me sinto consolada e cuidada. Eu me abrigo no amor de Deus
16:22
when I don't understand why tragedy hits,
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quando não entendo o porque das tragédias,
16:24
and I feel God's love when I look with gratitude at all the beauty I see."
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e sinto o amor de Deus quando sinto gratidão por toda beleza que vejo."
16:28
But since they asked me that question with the word believe in it,
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Mas como me fizeram a pergunta usando a palavra acreditar,
16:31
somehow it was all different,
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de alguma forma ficou diferente,
16:33
because I wasn't exactly sure if I believed what I so clearly felt.
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porque não estava muito certa se acreditava no que claramente sentia.
Translated by Patricia Casela
Reviewed by Durval Castro

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

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Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.

Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.

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