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Hawa Abdi + Deqo Mohamed: Mother and daughter doctor-heroes
Matka a dcéra ako doktorky - hrdinky: Hawa Abdi a Deqo Mohamed
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Volajú ich "svätice Somálska". Doktorka Hawa Abdi a jej dcéra Deqo Mohamed rozprávajú o svojej klinike v Somálsku, kde - napriek občianskej vojne a otvorenom útlaku žien - postavili nemocnicu, školu a vytvorili komunitu mieru.
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed - Somali doctors who treat women refugees
Dr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free. Full bio
Dr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free. Full bio
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00:16
Hawa Abdi: Many people -- 20 years for Somalia --
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Hawa Abdi: Veľa ľudí - 20 rokov v prípade Somálska -
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[were] fighting.
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bojovalo.
00:21
So there was no job, no food.
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Takže neexistovala práca, ani jedlo.
00:25
Children, most of them,
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Deti, teda väčšina z nich,
00:27
became very malnourished, like this.
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bolo veľmi podvýživených, ako toto.
00:31
Deqo Mohamed: So as you know,
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Deqo Mohamed: Ako viete,
00:33
always in a civil war,
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v občianskej vojne
00:35
the ones affected most [are] the women and children.
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sú vždy najviac postihnuté deti a ženy.
00:38
So our patients are women and children.
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Preto našimi pacientami sú deti a ženy.
00:41
And they are in our backyard.
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Sú na našom dvore.
00:43
It's our home. We welcome them.
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Je to náš domov, sú vítaní.
00:45
That's the camp that we have in now
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V tomto tábore máme teraz
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90,000 people,
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90 000 ľudí,
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where 75 percent of them are women and children.
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75% ktorých sú deti a ženy.
00:53
Pat Mitchell: And this is your hospital. This is the inside.
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Pat Mitchell: Toto je vaša nemocnica. A toto je jej interiér.
00:55
HA: We are doing C-sections and different operations
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HA: Robíme cisárske a iné operácie,
00:58
because people need some help.
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pretože ľudia potrebujú pomoc.
01:01
There is no government to protect them.
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Neexistuje žiadna vláda, ktorá by ich chránila.
01:04
DM: Every morning we have about 400 patients,
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DM: Každé ráno príde okolo 400 pacientov,
01:07
maybe more or less.
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viac - menej.
01:09
But sometimes we are only five doctors
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Ale niekedy sme tam len 5 doktori
01:12
and 16 nurses,
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a 16 sestričiek,
01:14
and we are physically getting exhausted to see all of them.
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a je to fyzicky vyčerpávajúce všetkých ich ošetriť.
01:18
But we take the severe ones,
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Berieme vážne prípady,
01:20
and we reschedule the other ones the next day.
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a ostatných preobjednáme na ďalší deň.
01:23
It is very tough.
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Je to veľmi náročné.
01:25
And as you can see, it's the women who are carrying the children;
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A vidíte, že sú to ženy, ktoré nosia deti,
01:28
it's the women who come into the hospitals;
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sú to ženy, ktoré prichádzajú do nemocnice,
01:30
it's the women [are] building the houses.
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a sú to ženy, ktoré stavajú domy.
01:32
That's their house.
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Toto sú ich domy.
01:34
And we have a school. This is our bright --
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Máme aj školu.
01:37
we opened [in the] last two years [an] elementary school
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Otvorili sme pred 2 rokmi základnú školu.
01:40
where we have 850 children,
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kde chodí 850 detí,
01:43
and the majority are women and girls.
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poväčšine ženy a deti.
01:45
(Applause)
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01:51
PM: And the doctors have some very big rules
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PM: Doktori majú isté pravidlá,
01:54
about who can get treated at the clinic.
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kto môže byť na klinike ošetrený.
01:56
Would you explain the rules for admission?
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Mohla by si vysvetliť tieto pravidlá?
01:59
HA: The people who are coming to us,
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HA: Ľudia, ktorí za nami chodia,
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we are welcoming.
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sú vítaní.
02:03
We are sharing with them
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Zdieľame s nimi všetko,
02:05
whatever we have.
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čo máme.
02:07
But there are only two rules.
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Ale sú tu dve pravidlá.
02:09
First rule:
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Prvé pravidlo:
02:11
there is no clan distinguished and political division
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Žiadne spoločenské a politické rozdiely
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in Somali society.
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v Somálskej spoločnosti.
02:17
[Whomever] makes those things we throw out.
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Ktokoľvek ich robí, je vylúčený.
02:20
The second:
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Druhé:
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no man can beat his wife.
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Muž nesmie biť svoju ženu.
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If he beat,
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Pokiaľ ju bije,
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we will put [him] in jail,
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dáme ho do väzenia
02:28
and we will call the eldest people.
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a zavoláme starešinov.
02:31
Until they identify this case,
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Pokým oni nevyriešia prípad,
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we'll never release him.
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ostávajú za mrežami.
02:36
That's our two rules.
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Toto sú naše dve pravidlá.
02:38
(Applause)
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potlesk
02:43
The other thing that I have realized,
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Je jedna vec, ktorú som si všimla, a to, že
02:46
that the woman is the most strong person
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žena je najsilnejšia osoba
02:49
all over the world.
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na celom svete.
02:51
Because the last 20 years,
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Pretože počas posledných 20 rokov
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the Somali woman has stood up.
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somálske ženy povstali.
02:56
They were the leaders,
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Boli vodkyne a
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and we are the leaders
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sú vodkyne
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of our community
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nášho spoločenstva
03:02
and the hope of our future generations.
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a nádejou pre naše budúce generácie.
03:04
We are not just the helpless
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Nie sme len bezmocné
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and the victims of the civil war.
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obete občianskej vojny.
03:08
We can reconcile.
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Vieme sa zmieriť.
03:10
We can do everything.
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Dokážeme urobiť čokoľvek.
03:12
(Applause)
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potlesk
03:18
DM: As my mother said, we are the future hope,
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DM: Ako povedala moja mama, sme nádejou budúcnosti,
03:20
and the men are only killing in Somalia.
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muži v Somálsku iba vraždia.
03:23
So we came up with these two rules.
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Preto sme vymysleli tieto dve pravidlá.
03:25
In a camp with 90,000 people,
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V komunite 90 000 ľudí,
03:27
you have to come up with some rules or there is going to be some fights.
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musíte vymyslieť nejaké pravidlá, inak bude dochádzať k sporom.
03:30
So there is no clan division,
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Tak nie sú žiadne klanovo-spoločenské rozdiely,
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and no man can beat his wife.
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a žiaden muž nesmie biť svoju ženu.
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And we have a little storage room
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Máme malú izbu ako sklad,
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where we converted a jail.
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ktorú sme premenili na väznicu.
03:38
So if you beat your wife, you're going to be there.
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Tak ak bijete svoju ženu, skončíte tam.
03:40
(Applause)
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potlesk
03:42
So empowering the women and giving the opportunity --
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Splnomocňujeme ženy a dávame im príležitosť -
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we are there for them. They are not alone for this.
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sme tam pre ne - nie sú tam samé.
03:49
PM: You're running a medical clinic.
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PM: Prevádzkujete kliniku.
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It brought much, much needed medical care
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Priniesla veľa zdravotnej starostlivosti tým,
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to people who wouldn't get it.
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ktorí by ju inak nedostali.
03:56
You're also running a civil society.
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Zároveň prevádzkujete spoločenskú komunitu.
03:58
You've created your own rules,
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Vytvorili ste si vlastné pravidlá,
04:00
in which women and children
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podľa ktorých ženy a deti
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are getting a different sense of security.
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získavajú odlišnú pocit bezpečnosti.
04:05
Talk to me about your decision, Dr. Abdi,
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Porozprávajte mi o Vašom rozhodnutí, Dr. Abdi,
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and your decision, Dr. Mohamed,
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a o Vašom rozhodnutí, Dr. Mohamed,
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to work together --
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pracovať spolu --
04:12
for you to become a doctor
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u Vás stať sa doktorkou
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and to work with your mother in these circumstances.
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a pracovať spolu s Vašou matkou za týchto podmienok.
04:17
HA: My age --
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HA: Môj vek --
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because I was born in 1947 --
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kedže som sa narodila v roku 1947 --
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we were having, at that time,
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v tom čase sme mali
04:24
government, law and order.
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vládu, právo a poriadok.
04:28
But one day, I went to the hospital --
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Ale jedného dňa som išla do nemocnice --
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my mother was sick --
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moja mama bola chorá --
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and I saw the hospital, how they [were] treating the doctors,
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a videla som nemocnicu, ako sa doktori správali,
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how they [are] committed
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ako sa snažili
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to help the sick people.
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pomôcť chorým ľuďom.
04:41
I admired them,
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Obdivovala som ich,
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and I decided to become a doctor.
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a rozhodla som sa stať doktorkou.
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My mother died, unfortunately,
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Bohužiaľ, moja mama umrela,
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when I was 12 years [old].
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keď som mala 12.
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Then my father allowed me
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Môj otec mi vtedy povolil
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to proceed [with] my hope.
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realizovať moju nádej.
04:56
My mother died
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Moja mama umrela
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in [a] gynecology complication,
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počas gynekologických komplikácií,
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so I decided to become
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takže som sa rozhodla stať sa
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a gynecology specialist.
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gynekologičkou.
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That's why I became a doctor.
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Toto je dôvod, prečo som sa stala doktorkou.
05:08
So Dr. Deqo has to explain.
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Teraz Dr. Deqo bude vysvetľovať.
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DM: For me, my mother was preparing [me] when I was a child
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DM: Čo sa týka mňa, ešte keď som bola dieťa, mama ma pripravovala a viedla k tomu,
05:14
to become a doctor, but I really didn't want to.
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aby som sa stala doktorkou, ale ja som nechcela.
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Maybe I should become an historian,
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Možno som sa mala stať historičkou
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or maybe a reporter.
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alebo reportérkou.
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I loved it, but it didn't work.
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Milovala som to, ale nefungovalo to.
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When the war broke out -- civil war --
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Keď prepukla vojna - občianska vojna -
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I saw how my mother was helping
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videla som svoju mamu, ako pomáhala
05:27
and how she really needed the help,
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a ako veľmi potrebovala pomoc,
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and how the care is essential to the woman
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a aká dôležitá je snaha ženy, keď
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to be a woman doctor in Somalia
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sa chce stať doktorkou v Somálsku
05:34
and help the women and children.
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a pomáhať ženám a deťom.
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And I thought, maybe I can be a reporter and doctor gynecologist.
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Pomyslela som si, že možno by som mohla byť novinárkou a gynekologičkou.
05:39
(Laughter)
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smiech
05:41
So I went to Russia, and my mother also,
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Tak som šla do Ruska, a moja mama tiež,
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[during the] time of [the] Soviet Union.
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počas obdobia Sovietskeho Zväzu.
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So some of our character,
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Tak niektoré naše vlastnosti,
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maybe we will come with a strong Soviet background of training.
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možno sme silné vďaka tvrdému tréningu ZSSR.
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So that's how I decided [to do] the same.
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Takže takto som sa rozhodla urobiť to isté.
05:54
My sister was different.
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Moja sestra bola iná.
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She's here. She's also a doctor.
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Je tu. A tiež je doktorka.
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She graduated in Russia also.
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Aj ona vyštudovala v Rusku.
06:00
(Applause)
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potlesk
06:02
And to go back and to work with our mother
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Vrátiť sa a pracovať s našou mamou
06:04
is just what we saw in the civil war --
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je práve to, čo sme videli v občianskej vojne --
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when I was 16, and my sister was 11,
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keď som mala 16 a moja sestra 11,
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when the civil war broke out.
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keď prepukla vojna.
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So it was the need and the people we saw
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Bola to potreba a ľudia, ktorých sme videli
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in the early '90s --
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v skorých 90-tych rokoch,
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that's what made us go back
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ktorí nás donútili vrátiť sa
06:19
and work for them.
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a pracovať pre nich.
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PM: So what is the biggest challenge
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PM: Čo je najväčšsou výzvou
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working, mother and daughter,
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pracovať spolu matka a dcéra
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in such dangerous
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v tak nebezpečných
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and sometimes scary situations?
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a niekedy až hrozivých situáciách ?
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HA: Yes, I was working in a tough situation,
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HA: Áno, pracovala som v drsných podmienkach,
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very dangerous.
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veľmi nebezpečných.
06:38
And when I saw the people who needed me,
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Ale keď som videla ľudí, ktorí ma potrebovali,
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I was staying with them to help,
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ostala som s nimi, aby som im pomáhala,
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because I [could] do something for them.
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pretože som mohla niečo pre nich urobiť.
06:46
Most people fled abroad.
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Väčšina ľudí ušlo do zahraničia.
06:50
But I remained with those people,
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Ale ja som ostala s tými ľuďmi
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and I was trying to do something --
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a snažila som sa niečo spraviť --
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[any] little thing I [could] do.
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hocijakú maličkosť, ktorú som bola schopná vykonať.
06:59
I succeeded in my place.
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A dokázala som to.
07:02
Now my place is 90,000 people
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Teraz v našom mieste žije 90 000 ľudí,
07:06
who are respecting each other,
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ktorí sa vzájomne rešpektujú,
07:08
who are not fighting.
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ktorí nebojujú.
07:11
But we try to stand on our feet,
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Snažíme sa stáť na vlastných nohách,
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to do something, little things, we can for our people.
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robiť niečo, malé veci, čo dokážeme pre našich ľudí.
07:19
And I'm thankful for my daughters.
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A som vďačná za svoje dcéry.
07:22
When they come to me,
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Keď ku mne chodia,
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they help me to treat the people,
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pomáhajú mi ošetrovať ľudí
07:26
to help.
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alebo inak pomôcť.
07:28
They do everything for them.
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Robia pre nich všetko.
07:30
They have done what I desire to do for them.
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Urobili to, čo som si želala, aby pre nich robili.
07:34
PM: What's the best part
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PM: Čo je pre Vás tým najlepším
07:36
of working with your mother,
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pri práci s tvojou mamou,
07:38
and the most challenging part for you?
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a zároveň najväčšou výzvou ?
07:41
DM: She's very tough; it's most challenging.
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DM: Ona je veľmi tvrdá, to je tá najväčšia výzva.
07:44
She always expects us to do more.
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Neustále od nás očakáva viac.
07:47
And really when you think [you] cannot do it,
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A v skutočnosti, keď si myslíte, že už viac nemôžete,
07:49
she will push you, and I can do it.
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ona vás potlačí a vy to dokážete.
07:51
That's the best part.
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To je na tom to najlepšie.
07:53
She shows us, trains us how to do
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Trénuje nás, ako pracovať
07:55
and how to be better [people]
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a ako byť lepšími ľuďmi
07:57
and how to do long hours in surgery --
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a ako vydržať dlhé hodiny počas operácií --
07:59
300 patients per day,
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300 pacientov denne,
08:02
10, 20 surgeries,
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10, 20 operácií
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and still you have to manage the camp --
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a ešte stále musíme zvládnuť kemping --
08:06
that's how she trains us.
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takto nás trénuje.
08:09
It is not like beautiful offices here,
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Nie je to ako v tunajších nádherných ordináciach,
08:11
20 patients, you're tired.
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20 pacientov a ste unavení.
08:13
You see 300 patients, 20 surgeries
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Máte 300 pacientov, 20 operácií
08:16
and 90,000 people to manage.
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a ešte 90 000 ľuďí pod dozorom.
08:19
PM: But you do it for good reasons.
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PM: Ale robíte to pre dobrý dôvod.
08:21
(Applause)
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potlesk
08:25
Wait. Wait.
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Počkajte. Počkajte.
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HA: Thank you.
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HA: Ďakujem.
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DM: Thank you.
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HA: Thank you very much. DM: Thank you very much.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed - Somali doctors who treat women refugeesDr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free.
Why you should listen
Dr. Hawa Abdi is an OB/GYN (and a lawyer) who lives and works in Somalia with her daughters, also doctors, Dr. Amina Mohamed and Dr. Dr. Deqo Mohamed. In 1983, she opened a small clinic in Somalia -- which became a refuge as Somalia devolved into civil war. Her one-room clinic has grown to encompass a hospital, a school and a refugee camp for some 90,000 women and children, she estimates, who were displaced by war.
In 2010, Glamour named Dr. Abdi and her daughters "Women of the Year," and called them the "Saints of Somalia." Nicholas Kristoff wrote a stirring tribute to her work titled "Heroic, Female and Muslim." And she works largely on her own; as Glamour notes: "While Dr. Abdi has gotten some help, many charities refuse to enter Somalia. 'It’s the most dangerous country,' says Kati Marton, a board member of Human Rights Watch. 'Dr. Abdi is just about the only one doing anything.'"
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed | Speaker | TED.com