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Rodney Mullen: Pop an ollie and innovate!
Rodney Mullen：來個豚跳，創出新招!
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街頭滑板教父 Rodney Mullen 最不想見到的是在競爭中得勝。教父精采演說，為你娓娓道來，他對滑板這個開放式社群的熱愛，以及身處不同的環境下，怎樣發揮環境的獨特之處，驅動創出新招式──挪出聰慧，純粹是為了一份熱情。（攝於 TEDxUSC）
Rodney Mullen - Skater
Rodney Mullen is a legendary skateboarder who transformed the art of street skating. Full bio
Rodney Mullen is a legendary skateboarder who transformed the art of street skating. Full bio
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(Skateboard sounds) (Music)
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（滑板聲）（音樂）
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
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So, that's what I've done with my life. (Laughter)
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這就是我的人生中所做的事。（眾笑）
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
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Thank you. (Applause)
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多謝。（掌聲）
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As a kid, I grew up on a farm in Florida,
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小時候，我在佛羅里達州的農場長大，
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and I did what most little kids do.
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做些大部分小孩子都愛做的事情。
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I played a little baseball, did a few other things like that,
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我玩過一點兒棒球，也有一些其他的，
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but I always had the sense of being an outsider,
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但我總有一種感覺，自己是個門外漢，
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and it wasn't until I saw pictures in the magazines
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直到我在雜誌中見到
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that a couple other guys skate, I thought,
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一班別的小伙子在踏滑板的照片；我想，
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"Wow, that's for me," you know?
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「對，我找的就是這個了，」你明白嗎？
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Because there was no coach standing directly over you,
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因為沒有教練在旁指導你，
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and these guys, they were just being themselves.
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而這班傢伙，只是做回自己。
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There was no opponent directly across from you.
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沒有對手跟你競賽。
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And I loved that sense, so I started skating
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我很愛這種感覺，所以我開始玩滑板。
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when I was about 10 years old, in 1977,
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那年我大約十歲，是 1977 年。
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and when I did, I picked it up pretty quickly.
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我就這樣開始了，也很快上手。
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In fact, here's some footage from about 1984.
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這就是大約 1984 年時拍的一些資料片段。
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It wasn't until '79 I won my first amateur championship,
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不過，直到 1979 年，我才贏得首個業餘賽冠軍，
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and then, by '81, I was 14, and I won
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之後到 1981 年，我十四歲，
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my first world championship,
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贏得首面世界冠軍，
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which was amazing to me,
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實在令我很驚嘆，
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and in a very real sense, that was the first real victory I had.
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而那次，實實在在是我人生中首次真正的勝利。
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Oh, watch this.
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噢，看看。
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This is a casper slide, where the board's upside down.
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這招是卡斯坡滑（Casper Slide），板身底面反轉。
02:34
Mental note on that one. (Laughs)
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要做好心理建設。（眾笑）
02:38
And this one here? An ollie.
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而這個呢？是豚跳（Ollie）。
02:42
So, as she mentioned, that is overstated for sure,
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所以，正如她所說，雖然肯定是言過其實，
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but that's why they called me the godfather
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但這正是為何人稱我為
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of modern street skating.
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「現代街頭滑板教父」。
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Here's some images of that.
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這是一些相關照片。
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Now, I was about halfway through my pro career in,
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此時的我，正在朝滑板專業的半途，
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I would say, the mid-'80s.
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大概是 80 年代中左右。
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Freestyle itself, we developed all these flat ground tricks
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所謂自由式，我們自創了這些平地上的技巧
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as you saw, but there was evolving
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如剛才所見，但進化出來的
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a new kind of skateboarding, where guys were taking it
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卻是一種全新的滑板運動，帶到街頭，
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to the streets, and they were using that ollie,
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而他們就用那種豚跳，
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like I showed you? They were using it to get up onto stuff
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就像我剛才所示範；他們用這種技巧
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like bleachers and handrails and over stairwells
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做出躍上階梯座椅或扶手或穿梭梯間等
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and all kinds of cool stuff.
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酷極了的招數。
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So it was evolving upwards.
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所以說實在是不斷向上進化。
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In fact, when someone tells you they're a skater today,
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其實，現在當有人自稱為滑板手，
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they pretty much mean a street skater,
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所指的大抵是街頭滑板手，
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because freestyle, it took about five years for it to die,
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因為自由式，大概五年也算沒落了，
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and at that stage, I'd been a "champion" champion
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而那時，我已是冠軍賽中的冠軍
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for 11 years, which, phew!
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長達十一年；真是，呼！
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And suddenly it was over for me. That's it.
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之後，突然間就消失了。就這樣。
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It was gone. They took my pro model off the shelf,
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就此就完了。我的專業形像被搬下架，
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which was essentially pronouncing you dead publicly.
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也就是說我已是過氣名星。
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That's how you make your money, you know?
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這就是撈金法則，你知道嗎？
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You have a signature board and wheels and shoes
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你有過自己簽名的滑板、輪子、鞋子，
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and clothes. I had all that stuff, and it's gone.
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還有衣服。風光一時，卻瞬間失去。
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The crazy thing was, there was a really
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最荒謬的是，也真的大快人心，
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liberating sense about it, because I no longer had to protect
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因為我再也無需守護冠軍之名了。
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my record as a champion. "Champion," again.
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又是「冠軍」。
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Champion sounds so goofy, but it's what it was, right?
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「冠軍」聽來很傻，但曾經也是如假包換，對吧？
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And I got to -- What drew me to skateboarding, the freedom
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之後我得到──當初我玩滑板的原因，那種自由
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was now restored, where I could just create things,
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隨之也得以重拾了，我可以只顧創作，
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because that's where the joy was for me, always,
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因為這正是我曾經的樂趣，一直都是，
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was creating new stuff.
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就是創造新的事物。
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The other thing that I had was a deep well of tricks
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另一樣我擁有的東西，就是唾手可得的一門子招式，
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to draw from that were rooted in these flat ground tricks.
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就是那些紮根於平地技巧的招式。
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Stuff the normal guys were doing was very much different.
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跟平時那些別的人做的不一樣。
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So, as humbling and rotten as it was —
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此後，儘管聽來很遜很爛──
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And believe me, it was rotten. I would go to skate spots,
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相信我，真的很爛。我打算轉往熱門滑板勝地發展
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and I was already, like, "famous guy," right?
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但我已像是，「知名人物」，對吧？
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And everyone thought I was good. But in this new terrain,
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因此人人都覺得我應該表現不錯。但在這個新領域中，
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I was horrible. So people would go, "Oh, he's all --
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其實我很差。所以人們便會說：「噢，他真是……」
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Oh, what happened to Mullen?" (Laughter) (Laughs)
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「噢，Mullen 他怎麼了？」（眾笑）（笑）
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So, humbling as it was, I began again.
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就這樣，很遜的，我又開始了。
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Here are some tricks that I started to bring
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這是一些我帶到新領域的招式。（滑板聲）
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to that new terrain. (Skateboard noises)
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這是一些我帶到新領域的招式。（滑板聲）
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And again, there's this undergirding layer of influence of freestyle
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而且都是，受到那自由式的基本功影響，
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that made me — Oh, that one?
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讓我──噢，那個？
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That's, like, the hardest thing I've ever done.
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這似乎是我做過最難的了。
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Okay, look at that. It's a darkslide.
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好，看好。這個是暗滑（Darkslide）。
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See how it's sliding on the backside?
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有看到如何用後板身去滑嗎？
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Those are super-fun. (Laughter) And, actually, not that hard.
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真是超有趣。（眾笑）而且，事實上，不是太難。
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You know, at the very root of that, see, caspers,
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其實，歸根究底，看，是卡斯坡滑，
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see how you throw it? (Skateboard noises)
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看怎樣在空中翻板？（滑板聲）
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Simple as that, right? No biggie. (Laughter)
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就是這樣簡單，對吧？沒什麼大不了。（眾笑）
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And your front foot, the way it grabs it, is --
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而你的前腳，怎樣抓板，就是──
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I'd seen someone slide on the back of the board like that,
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我曾經見過有人用後板身這樣的滑，
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and I was like, "How can I get it over?"
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之後我就想，「究竟可以怎樣去翻板？」
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Because that had not yet been done. And then it dawned
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因為實在未曾試過。
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on me, and here's part of what I'm saying.
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之後我忽發其想，而接下來是我所說的。
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I had an infrastructure. I had this deep layer, where
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我有了一個底層架構。我有了這一個深的基層，
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it was like, oh my gosh, it's just your foot.
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就像在想，對吧，就是怎樣用腳吧。
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It's just the way you throw your board over.
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就是你翻板的方式吧。
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Just let the ledge do that, and it's easy,
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就用板子邊緣去做，其實很簡單，
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and the next thing you know, there's 20 more tricks
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而你接着就知道，還有多 20 幾個招式
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based out of the variations.
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是大同小異的。
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So that's the kind of thing that, here, check this out,
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就是這樣的一回事，看看這裏，
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here's another way, and I won't overdo this.
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這是另一種方式，我不會過份說明。
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A little indulgent, I understand.
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有點講太多了，我知道。
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There's something called a primo slide.
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有一種叫普利姆滑（Primo Slide）。
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(Skateboard noises)
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（滑板聲）
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It is the funnest trick ever to do.
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這算是最有趣的招式了。
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(Skateboard noises)
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（滑板聲）
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It's like skinboarding.
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就像是玩沙板（Skinboarding）。
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And this one, look how it slides sideways, every which way?
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而這個，看怎樣用輪架側面滑，左搖右擺的？
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Okay, so when you're skating, and you take a fall,
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好了，當你在滑板上，快要跌倒了，
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the board slips that way or that way. It's kind of predictable.
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滑板會往前或往後溜。其實預料得到。
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This? It goes every which way. It's like a cartoon, the falls,
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用側面呢？就要東歪西倒。就像卡通一樣亂擺，
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and that's what I love the most about it.
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而這正是我最喜歡的地方。
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It's so much fun to do. In fact, when I started doing them,
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實在是太有趣了。事實上，當我開始嘗試時，
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I remember, because I got hurt. I had to get a knee surgery,
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我記得，因為我受過傷。我膝蓋要動手術，沒錯。
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right? So there were a couple of days where, actually
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所以其實有好幾天，
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a couple of weeks, where I couldn't skate at all.
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其實是好幾個星期，我根本完全不能玩滑板。
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It would give out on me. And I would watch the guys,
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一滑就要倒下來。而我就會在旁觀看，
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I'd go to this warehouse where a lot of the guys
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我會去那個大伙玩滑板的倉庫，
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were skating, my friends, and I was like,
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是我的朋友，我就一邊想：
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"Man I gotta do something new. I want to do something new.
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「天啊，我定要做些新的出來。我要造新的。
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I want to start fresh. I want to start fresh."
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我要重新開始。重新出發。」
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And so the night before my surgery, I'd watched,
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而到手術前一晚，我一樣在旁邊看了，
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and I was like, "How am I going to do this?"
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我就想：「究竟怎樣我才能做到？」
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So I ran up, and I jumped on my board,
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所以我一躍而起，跳上滑板，
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and I cavemanned, and I flipped it down,
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心頭勇猛，我就將滑板翻下，
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and I remember thinking, I landed so light-footed, thinking,
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而我記得我在想，我實在是就着力輕輕落地，心想，
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if my knee gives, they'll just have more work to do in the morning.
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若膝蓋太使力，明早手術就更複雜了。
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(Laughs) (Laughter)
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（笑）（眾笑）
06:59
And so, when it was the crazy thing.
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然後，就到那荒唐的事了。
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I don't know how many of you guys have had surgery,
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不知在座有多少人動過手術，
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but -- (Laughter) -- you are so helpless, right?
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但─（眾笑）─就是那般無助，對吧？
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You're on this gurney and you're watching the ceiling go by,
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你躺在病床上看著天花板移過，
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every time it's always that, and right when they're putting
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每次都如是，而正當他們要替你
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the mask on you before you go to sleep,
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放上面罩好讓你睡過去時，
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all I was thinking is, "Man, when I wake up and I get better,
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我只顧想著：「天啊，當我醒來，稍為好轉時，
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the first thing I'm going to do is film that trick." (Laughter)
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我第一件要做的事情就是把那招式拍下來。」（眾笑）
07:21
And indeed I did. It was the very first thing I filmed,
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而我確實這麼做了。那就是我拍攝下來的第一樣事情，
07:23
which was awesome.
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那棒呆了。
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Now, let me -- I told you a little bit about the evolution
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現在，讓我──我說過一點有關招式的進化。
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of the tricks. Consider that content, in a sense.
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試試這樣的想其內容。
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What we do as street skaters is,
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做街頭滑板手，
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you have these tricks. Say I'm working on darkslides,
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你有的是招式。比方說我在做暗滑，
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or a primo, that you guys know this stuff now. (Laughter) (Laughs)
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或者普利姆滑，你們現在都清楚這些技倆了。 （眾笑）（笑）
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What you do is you cruise around the same streets that
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你做的是在那些見過百多次
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you've seen a hundred times, but suddenly, because you
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相同的街道中徘徊，但突然間，
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already have something in this fixed domain of this target,
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因為你對這個固定的領域中對目標已有些想法，
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it's like, what will match this trick?
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就會想，究竟甚麼會與這招式配搭？
07:54
How can I expand, how can the context, how can
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我可以怎樣拓展，怎樣的情境，怎樣的環境
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the environment change the very nature of what I do?
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究竟會如何改變我所做的之根本性質？
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So you drive and drive and drive, and, actually I gotta admit,
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所以你不斷上下探索，而其實，我也該承認，
08:03
just because I was struggling with this because I'm here,
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儘管我人在這裏難免有些猶豫，
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but I'll just say it, is, I cannot tell you, not only to be here
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但坦白說，我不知該怎麼跟你們說，除了能夠在這裏
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in front of you, but what a privilege it is to be at USC campus,
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與你們見面外，能夠身處南加州大學校園是多麼的榮幸，
08:13
because I have been escorted off of this campus so many times. (Laughter)
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因為我曾被驅逐出此校園不知多少次。 （眾笑）
08:17
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
08:22
So let me give you another example of how
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讓我再舉個例子，說明一下
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context shapes content.
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情境如何塑造內容。
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This is a place not that far from here.
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這是個離這裏不遠的地方。
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It's a rotten neighborhood. Your first consideration is,
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是個荒廢的鄰舍。你第一個考慮是，
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am I gonna get beat up? You go out and -- See this wall?
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究竟我是否會被逐出去？你走出來並──見到這堵牆嗎？
08:36
It's fairly mellow, and it's beckoning to do bank tricks, right?
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頗棒的，似是暗示要你來耍坡岸招式吧？
08:42
But there's this other aspect of it for wheelies,
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但這另一方面又暗示後輪滑（Wheelie），
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so check this out. There's a few tricks, again,
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不如一齊看看。其實有多個招式，再一次說明
08:48
how environment changes the nature of your tricks.
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環境怎樣改變招式的性質。
08:51
Freestyle oriented, manual down -- wheelie down.
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自由式主導，後輪滑落地──重心放後輪。
08:54
Watch, this one? Oh, I love this. It's like surfing, this one,
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看，這個？噢，我的至愛。就像滑浪一樣，這個，
08:57
the way you catch it.
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看怎樣抓板。
08:59
This one, a little sketchy going backwards,
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這個，有點兒湊合向後傾，
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and watch the back foot, watch the back foot.
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當心後腳，看好後腳。
09:05
Oop. (Laughs) Mental note right there. Again, we'll get back to that.
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糟。（笑） 那個就是心理建設了。說回主題。
09:12
Here. Back foot, back foot. Okay, up there?
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這兒。後腳，後腳。好，上面？
09:15
That was called a 360 flip. Notice how the board flipped
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這叫做轉體 360 度。留意板身
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and spun this way, both axes.
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怎樣翻騰，沿着兩軸旋轉。
09:21
And another example of how the context changed,
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而另一個例子說明情境如何改變，
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and the creative process for me and for most skaters,
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以及對於我或大部分滑板手的創造過程，
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is, you go, you get out of the car, you check for security,
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就是，你打開車門，走出去，你看看有沒有保全人員，
09:33
you check for stuff. (Laughter)
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你看看四周。（眾笑）
09:35
It's funny, you get to know their rhythms, you know,
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很有趣，你得清楚他們的步調，對吧，
09:37
the guys that cruise around, and
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那些四周巡邏的人，
09:39
skateboarding is such a humbling thing, man.
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而滑板就是多麼遜的事情啊，老兄。
09:42
No matter how good you are, right, you still gotta deal with —
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無論你有多麼好，沒錯，你都要面對—
09:45
So you hit this wall, and when I hit it, the first thing you do is
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當你迎向這堵牆時，而當我要着陸時，第一次你總會
09:49
you fall forward, and I'm like, all right, all right.
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向前俯，而我就想，很好，很好。
09:51
As you adjust,
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隨着你慢慢調整，
09:55
you punch it up, and then when I would do that,
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你逐漸能挺起身，然後當我做到時，
09:57
it was throwing my shoulder this way, which
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我的肩膀往這邊兒拋了，
10:00
as I was doing it, I was like, "Oh wow, that's begging
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當我在做動作時，就像是想：「真的假的，是個
10:03
for a 360 flip," because that's how you load up for a 360 flip.
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轉體 360 度的呼喚，」因為這就是你如何蓄勢做轉體 360 度。
10:07
And so this is what I want to emphasize that,
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這就是我想強調的一點，
10:09
as you can imagine, all of these tricks are made of
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可以想像，所有這些招式
10:14
sub-movements, executive motor functions, more granular
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都是由子動作構成的，就是那些人體能實施的運動功能，
10:17
to the degree to which I can't quite tell you, but one thing
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細微得我也不能解釋，但一樣事情
10:19
I do know is, every trick is made of combining two or three
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我確實知道的是，每個招式都是將兩至三個
10:23
or four or five movements. And so, as I'm going up,
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甚至四到五個動作結合而成的。所以，當我往上衝，
10:26
these things are floating around, and you have to sort of
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這些元素也在四處飄浮，而你
10:28
let the cognitive mind, like, rest back, pull it back a little bit,
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就儘管讓頭腦的認知，像是放鬆，放鬆一點兒，
10:31
and let your intuition go as you feel these things.
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讓你的直覺，隨着你的感覺走。
10:34
And these sub-movements are just kind of floating around,
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而這些子動作就像是隨處飛，
10:36
and as the wall hits you, they connect themselves
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而當你迎向那堵牆時，它們就結合起來，
10:39
to an extent, and that's when the cognitive mind, you think,
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直到那一刻，你的認知，你的想法也告訴你：
10:41
"Oh, 360 flip, I'm going to make that."
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「噢，轉體 360 度，正是我要的。」
10:43
So that's how that works to me, the creative process,
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這就是在我背後運作的方式，創造的過程，
10:46
the process itself of street skating.
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街頭滑板本身的過程。
10:47
So, next — Oh, mind you. (Laughs) Those are the community.
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接著……噢，我說的呢。（笑） 那些是社群的一分子。
10:51
These are some of the best skaters in the world.
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這些是世界中一些頂尖滑板手。
10:54
These are my friends. Oh my gosh, they're such good people.
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這些是我的朋友。老天，是很棒的人。
10:58
And the beauty of skateboarding is that,
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而滑板之美在於，
11:00
no one guy is the best. In fact, I know this is rotten to say,
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沒一個人是最棒的。其實，我知道這是很爛的說法，
11:04
they're my friends, but a couple of them actually
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他們是我的朋友，但其中有好幾個
11:07
don't look that comfortable on their board.
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其實看起來踏滑板不太在行。
11:09
What makes them great is the degree to which
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他們妙的地方在
11:12
they use their skateboarding to individuate themselves.
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他們如何用滑板建立自我。
11:15
Every single one of these guys, you look at them,
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他們每一個人，當你看見他們，
11:17
you can see a silhouette of them, and you realize, like,
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你都能看到一個背影，然後你領悟到：
11:20
"Oh, that's him, that's Haslam, that's Koston,
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「噢，是他．那是 Haslam，那是 Koston，
11:23
there's these guys, these are the guys.
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就是這班傢伙，就是他們。」
11:26
And skaters, I think they tend to be outsiders
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而滑板手，我想他們大多傾向當一個
11:30
who seek a sense of belonging,
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在找尋一種歸屬感的外人，
11:33
but belonging on their own terms,
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卻聽從內心的歸屬，
11:36
and real respect is given by how much we take what
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而真正對人的敬仰，在於我們
11:40
other guys do, these basic tricks, 360 flips,
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如何接納其他人所做的，這些基本招式，轉體 360 度，
11:43
we take that, we make it our own, and then we contribute
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我們接納它，變成自己的，然後貢獻出一分力，
11:47
back to the community the inner way
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回饋社群的內在，
11:48
that edifies the community itself.
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讓社群能得以榮升。
11:51
The greater the contribution, the more we express and form
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貢獻愈大，我們就愈能表達和形成
11:55
our individuality, which is so important to a lot of us
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自我的個性，對我們很多人來說實在重大，
11:59
who feel like rejects to begin with.
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足以撫平起初遭受到的那些回絕。
12:02
The summation of that gives us
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匯聚起來，
12:05
something we could never achieve as an individual.
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我們達到以一己之力不可能的事。
12:09
I should say this. There's some sort of beautiful symmetry
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我該這樣說。有種對稱的美，
12:12
that the degree to which we connect to a community
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我們與社群連繫的程度，
12:15
is in proportion to our individuality, which we are expressing
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取決於我們的個性如何，
12:18
by what we do.
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而我們所做的來表達自己。
12:21
Next. These guys. Very similar community
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之後。這夥人。一個很相似的社群
12:24
that's extremely conducive to innovation.
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同樣也很崇尚創新。
12:27
Notice a couple of these shots from the Police Department.
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留意這數張照片，是從警察局提供的。
12:32
But it is quite similar. I mean, what is it to hack, right?
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但也頗相似吧。我的意思是，有甚麼需要破解的，對吧？
12:34
It's knowing a technology so well that you can manipulate it
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就像是了解一種科技如此透徹，以至於可以駕馭自如，
12:37
and steer it to do things it was never intended to do, right?
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讓它做些意想不到的事情，對吧？
12:41
And they're not all bad.
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而且也非全是壞事。
12:43
You can be a Linux kernel hacker, make it more stable, right?
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你可以做個 Linux 系統核心的破解師，讓系統更穩定吧？
12:47
More safe, more secure. You can be an iOS hacker,
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更安全，更具保安。你可以破解 iOS 系統，
12:50
make your iPhone do stuff it wasn't supposed to.
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讓你的 iPhone 做些意料之外的事情。
12:54
Not authorized, but not illegal.
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未經授權，卻也不至於犯法。
12:56
And then you've got some of these guys, right?
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有這樣的一些人，對吧？
12:58
What they do is very similar to our creative process.
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他們所做的與我們的創造過程十分相似。
13:01
They connect disparate information,
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他們將零散的資訊結合起來，
13:04
and they bring it together in a way that
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帶出一種新方式，
13:07
a security analyst doesn't expect. Right?
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連保安專家也預料不到。對吧？
13:10
It doesn't make them good people,
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他們不會因此成為好人，
13:12
but it's at the heart of engineering, at the heart of
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但這確是工程學的核心，
13:16
a creative community, an innovative community,
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一個創意社群的中心，一個創新的社群，
13:19
and the open source community, the basic ethos of it
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以及開放式社群，其基本理念是
13:22
is, take what other people do, make it better,
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取他人之長，更盡完善，
13:26
give it back so we all rise further.
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回饋以致全體的榮升。
13:28
Very similar communities, very similar.
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兩者是很相似的社群，非常相似。
13:30
We have our edgier sides, too. It's funny, my dad was right.
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我們也有些較新潮的一面。很有趣的，我爸說的沒錯，
13:35
These are my peers.
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我們都是同一伙的。
13:38
But I respect what they do, and they respect what I do,
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但我敬重他們所做的，而他們亦敬重我所做的，
13:40
because they can do things. It's amazing what they can do.
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因為他們能夠做得出來。做得出來一鳴驚人。
13:42
In fact, one of them, he was Ernst & Young's
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其實，其中一位是《安永企業家獎》
13:46
Entrepreneur of the Year for San Diego County,
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聖地牙哥縣的得主，
13:48
so they're not, you never know who you're dealing with.
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所以他們永遠是深藏不露的。
13:53
We've all had some degree of fame.
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我們全都算是小有名氣。
13:55
In fact, I've had so much success that I
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事實上，我的成功之多，
13:59
strangely always feel unworthy of.
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奇怪的，我總覺得不算甚麼。
14:00
I've had a patent, and that was cool, and we started
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我有過一項專利，炫極了，之後我們開立
14:02
a company, and it grew, and it became the biggest, and then
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一間公司，規模日盛，更成為首屈一指的，
14:06
it went down, and then it became the biggest again,
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之後公司走下坡，卻又能再次成為首屈一指的，
14:07
which is harder than the first time, and then we sold it,
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比第一次更艱難，之後我們就把公司賣掉，
14:10
and then we sold it again.
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然後又再一次賣掉。
14:13
So I've had some success. And in the end,
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所以我算是有過一些成就。但到最後，
14:15
when you've had all of these things, what is it that continues to
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當你都有齊所有的一切，還剩下甚麼
14:18
drive you? As I mentioned, the knee stuff and these things,
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繼續作為你的驅動力？如我剛才所說，膝患等的事，
14:21
what is it that will punch you?
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能激勵你的究竟是甚麼？
14:23
Because it's not just the mind.
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因為不單只是想法。
14:24
What is it that will punch you and make you do something
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有甚麼能真正痛擊你，驅使你
14:28
and bring it to another level, and when you've had it all,
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做好一樣事情，帶到另一個境界；而當你得到了一切，
14:31
sometimes, guys, they die on the vine with all of that talent,
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有時候，各位，一身好本領卻是個緊箍咒，
14:34
and one of the things we've had, all of us, is fame,
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而其中一樣我們都曾經擁有的，我們所有人，就是名氣，
14:38
I think the best kind of fame, because you can take it off.
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我想該是最佳的名氣，因為是能夠抽身而退的。
14:40
I've been all around the world,
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我走遍過世界各地，
14:43
and there will be a thousand kids crying out your name,
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會有成千名小孩高呼你的名字，
14:45
and it's such a weird, visceral experience.
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卻是多麼怪異，令人毛骨悚然的經歷。
14:47
It's like, it's disorienting.
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就像是，叫人暈頭轉向。
14:49
And you get in a car, and you drive away,
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然後你走進車廂，駕車離去，
14:51
and 10-minute drive, and you get out,
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駕了十分鐘，再走出來，
14:54
and no one gives a rat's who you are. (Laughs)
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卻無人理睬。（笑）
14:57
And it gives you that clarity of perspective of, man,
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一種清晰的視覺油然而生，老兄，
15:00
I'm just me, and popularity, what does
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我就是我，知名度什麼的，
15:02
that really mean again? Not much.
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究竟還代表些甚麼？意義不大。
15:05
It's peer respect that drives us. That's the one thing that
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是同儕間的敬仰驅動我們。那是惟一的事物
15:07
makes us do what we do. I've had over a dozen bones,
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驅使我們做我們所做的事情。我有過好一打骨頭，
15:10
these guys, this guy, over, what, eight, 10 concussions,
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這幾個人，這個，超過，多少？八，十次震傷，
15:13
to the point where it's comedy, right?
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像在演喜劇一般，對吧？
15:16
It is actually comedy. They mess with him.
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就像是做喜劇。他們全跟他一起瘋掉。
15:20
Next. And this is something deeper, and this is where I'm —
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之後。有一樣更深層的，就是當我……
15:25
I think I was on tour when I, I was reading one of the
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應該是在出戰巡迴賽的時候，我讀了其中一本
15:28
Feynman biographies. It was the red one or the blue one.
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費曼的自傳。不記得是紅色的還是藍色的那本。
15:31
And he made this statement that was so profound to me.
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他的一句說話令我印象深刻。
15:39
It was that the Nobel Prize
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他說諾貝爾獎
15:40
was the tombstone on all great work,
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是一切偉大事業的墓石，
15:44
and it resonated because I had won 35 out of 36 contests
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這句話在我心中迴盪，因為 36 項賽事中我已贏了 35 個，
15:47
that I'd entered over 11 years, and it made me bananas.
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而且入行超過 11 年，開始讓人要命了。
15:51
In fact, winning isn't the word. I won it once.
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其實，常勝一詞用詞不當。我只是贏了一次。
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The rest of the time, you're just defending,
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其餘的時間，不過是衛冕而已，
15:54
and you get into this, like, turtle posture, you know?
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逐漸你就好似，人就是龜縮在一團，你明白嗎？
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Where you're not doing. It usurped the joy of what I loved
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你並不在做自己。那種做自己所愛的歡樂被奪去了，
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to do because I was no longer doing it to create and have fun,
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因為我不再是為了創造並享受其中，
16:04
and when it died out from under me, that was one of
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而當它要捨我而去時，卻是一種釋放，
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the most liberating things because I could create.
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因為我能夠創造了。
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And look, I understand that I am on the very edge
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而且，看，我明白我在這裏
16:13
of preachy, right here. I'm not here to do that.
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快變成說教了。我並不是為這來的。
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It's just that I'm in front of a very privileged audience.
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而是我站在一班很有幸的觀眾面前。
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If you guys aren't already leaders in your community,
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假若你們還不是社群中的領袖，
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you probably will be, and if there's anything I can give you
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有一天也許也會當上，若果我能夠留給你們一些甚麼的，
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that will transcend what I've gotten from skateboarding,
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並且超越我從滑板中學到的，
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the only things of meaning, I think, and of permanence,
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惟一有意義的事，我認為，而且得以永恆的，
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it's not fame, it's not all these things. What it is
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不是名氣，不是所有那些。而應該是
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is that there's an intrinsic value in creating something
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那種為創造而創造的的內在價值，並且做得更好，
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for the sake of creating it, and better than that,
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那種為創造而創造的的內在價值，並且做得更好，
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because, man, I'm 46 years old, or I'll be 46, and how
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因為，老兄，我已 46 歲了，或相距不遠，
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pathetic is that I'm still skateboarding, but there is —
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我仍在滑板真是悲哀，但是
16:45
(Laughter) -- there is this beauty in dropping it into
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─（眾笑）─能將它放回你協力創造的社群，
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a community of your own making, and seeing it dispersed,
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有這一份美，看着它散開蔓延，
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and seeing younger, more talented, just different talent,
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看着更年輕、更有才幹的，不同的青年才幹，
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take it to levels you can never imagine,
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帶它走到你永遠無法想像的新境界，
16:59
because that lives on. So thank you for your time.
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因為它是永續不息的。多謝你們。
17:02
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
17:12
Krisztina Holly: I have a question for you.
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Krisztina Holly：我想問個問題。
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So you've really reinvented yourself in the past from
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你真的從自己的過去讓自己重生，
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freestyle to street, and, I think it was about four years ago
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從自由式到街頭滑板，直到，我想約四年前
17:24
you officially retired. Is that it? What's next?
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你正式退休了。就此打住嗎？之後有甚麼打算？
17:28
Rodney Mullen: That's a good question.
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Rodney Mullen：好問題。
17:30
KH: Something tells me it's not the end.
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KH：直覺似乎未到終結。
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RM: Yeah. I, every time you think you've chased something
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RM：沒錯。我，每次當你認為你追逐到一些事情，
17:36
down, it's funny, no matter how good you are,
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很有趣的，無論你有多好，
17:37
and I know guys like this, it feels like you're polishing a turd.
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而我也認識這樣的人，你感覺上覺得你只是
17:40
You know? (Laughter)
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在替朽木作修飾罷了。你明白嗎？（眾笑）
17:44
And I thought, the only way I can extend this
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而我想，惟一我能拓展的方法
17:47
is to change something infrastructural,
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就是去改變一些底層架構上的事情，
17:50
and so that's what I proceeded to do, through a long story,
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而這正是我着手的事情，是個漫長的故事，
17:54
one of desperation, so if I do it, rather than talk about it,
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會令人沮喪的故事，所以若我落手實幹，而非紙上談兵，
17:58
if I do it, you'll be the first to know. KH: All right, we won't ask you any more.
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若果我做的話，第一個會告訴你。
KH：好的，我們也不再追問。
KH：好的，我們也不再追問。
18:00
RM: You'll get a text.
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RM：我會給你短訊。
18:01
KH: (Laughs) Right. Thank you. Good job. (Applause)
RM: Thank you. Thank you. (Applause)
RM: Thank you. Thank you. (Applause)
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KH：（笑)）好的。多謝你。十分精采。（掌聲）
RM:：多謝。多謝。（掌聲）
RM:：多謝。多謝。（掌聲）
18:04
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Rodney Mullen - SkaterRodney Mullen is a legendary skateboarder who transformed the art of street skating.
Why you should listen
Known as the godfather of street skating, Rodney Mullen is one of the most prolific and influential skateboarders in history. Despite initial objections, his father eventually gave in and purchased Rodney's first skateboard in 1977, when he was ten years old, on the condition that he would always wear his safety pads and stop skating the moment he was injured. That same year he entered his first contest and came in third; then, over the next three years, he would place first in every contest he entered -- nearly thirty in all. In 1980, after winning the Oasis Pro competition in San Diego, Rodney began his professional skating career with the Powell-Peralta Bones Brigade. He would go on to invent tricks, like the flat-ground ollie, Kicklip, Heelflip, and 360 Flip that would completely revolutionize the art of skating. In 2002, Mullen won the Transworld Readers' Choice Award for Skater of the Year and founded the Almost skateboard company. In 2003, he wrote an autobiography titled The Mutt: How to Skateboard and Not Kill Yourself.
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