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Michael Moschen: Juggling as art ... and science
麥可·莫遜（Michael Moschen）雜技表演：音樂節奏及物體移動的結合
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麥可·莫遜（Michael Moschen）帶來一場催眠般的雜技表演。不認為雜技是一種藝術嗎？看了麥可·莫遜的表演，你或許會改觀喔！
Michael Moschen - Juggler
Quite simply, Michael Moschen has revolutionized juggling, refining it into an art and a bit of a science. With a few flying balls and well-chosen props he will completely re-wire your notions of the physically possible. Full bio
Quite simply, Michael Moschen has revolutionized juggling, refining it into an art and a bit of a science. With a few flying balls and well-chosen props he will completely re-wire your notions of the physically possible. Full bio
Double-click the English transcript below to play the video.
00:19
I started juggling a long time ago,
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從開始做雜技表演到現在已經有很長一段時間了
00:21
but long before that, I was a golfer, and that's what I was, a golfer.
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但早在那之前，我原本是個高爾夫球員
00:27
And as a golfer and as a kid,
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當我是個高爾夫球員、也是個孩子時
00:31
one of the things that really sort of seeped into my pores,
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讓我著迷的事物中，有一樣佔了我生活中非常重要的地位
00:34
that I sort of lived my whole life, is process.
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那就是--- 過程
00:37
And it's the process of learning things.
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我指的是學習的過程
00:39
One of the great things was that my father was an avid golfer, but he was lefty.
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很棒的是我父親是一位很有熱情的高爾夫球員，但他是左撇子
00:43
And he had a real passion for golf,
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他真的很熱愛高爾夫
00:45
and he also created this whole mythology
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也創造了這整個關於
00:48
about Ben Hogan and various things.
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班·霍根（Ben Hogan）的神話
00:50
Well, I learned a lot about interesting things
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我從有趣的事情中學到很多
00:52
that I knew nothing about at the time, but grew to know stuff about.
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雖然我在當下可能不自覺，但漸漸地體會箇中奧妙
00:56
And that was the mythology of skill.
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而這就是技藝創造的神話
00:59
So, one of the things that I love to do is to explore skill.
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探究技藝是我熱愛的事情之一
01:02
And since Richard put me on this whole thing with music --
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而且既然理查（Richard）把我放在這個跟音樂相關的舞台上
01:06
I'm supposed to actually be doing a project with Tod Machover
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我就得真的和托德·麥克歐佛（Tod Machover）、
01:09
with the MIT Media Lab -- it relates a lot to music.
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和麻省理工學院的媒介實驗室做一個和音樂相關的計畫
01:11
But Tod couldn't come and the project is sort of somewhere,
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但是托德沒辦法來，整個計畫也有一點...
01:14
I'm not sure whether it's happening the way we thought, or not.
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不是很確定事情是不是照我們想像的方向走
01:17
But I'm going to explore skill, and juggling,
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但我還是要探索這項技藝，做雜技表演
01:21
and basically visual music, I guess.
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我想基本上就都是「視覺音樂」
01:28
OK, you can start the music, thanks.
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音樂可以開始了，謝謝
01:30
(Music)
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（音樂）
04:28
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
04:31
Thanks. Thank you. Now, juggling can be a lot of fun;
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謝謝、謝謝大家。雜技可以很有趣
04:40
play with skill and play with space, play with rhythm.
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可以跟技術、空間、節奏一起玩
04:44
And you can turn the mike on now. I'm going to do a couple of pieces.
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可以開麥克風了。我現在要秀兩段
04:47
I do a big piece in a triangle
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一段比較長的是在一個三角形裡做
04:50
and these are three sections from it.
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其中包括三小節
04:52
Part of the challenge was to try to understand rhythm and space
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一部分的挑戰是必須要試著瞭解整個節奏和空間
04:55
using not just my hands -- because a lot of juggling is hand-oriented --
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用的不只是我的雙手--- 因為很多雜技是以手作為基底的
04:59
but using the rhythm of my body and feet,
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但我還會融合身體和雙腳的律動
05:01
and controlling the balls with my feet.
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並用腳控制這些球
06:22
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
06:27
Thanks. Now, this next section was an attempt to explore space.
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謝謝。
06:35
You see, I think Richard said something about people that are against something.
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我記得理查說過有關人類喜歡挑戰
06:39
Well, a lot of people think jugglers defy gravity or do stuff.
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很多人覺得雜技表演者喜歡做一些挑戰地心引力的事情
06:45
Well, I kind of, from my childhood and golf and all that,
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我的話，則是從童年時和打高爾夫那時就開始了
06:48
it's a process of joining with forces.
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這是與力結合的過程
06:51
And so what I'd like to do is try to figure out
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所以我想做的是試著藉由我的技術
06:52
how to join with the space through the technique.
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找出融入「空間」的方法
06:55
So juggling gravity -- up, down.
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把地心引力拿來雜耍--- 上、下
07:00
If you figure out what up and down really are,
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如果你真的明白了什麼是「上」、什麼是「下」
07:07
it's a complex physical set of skills
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你會知道它是一套錯綜複雜的物理技能
07:09
to be able to throw a ball down and up and everything,
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才有辦法把球拋上丟下
07:12
but then you add in sideways.
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然後還可以橫著來
07:37
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
07:43
Now, I look at it somewhat as a way -- when you learn juggling
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現在，我是這樣的角度看它的--你在學雜技的時候
07:48
what you learn is how to feel with your eyes, and see with your hands
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你是學著用眼睛去感覺它，然後用手去看它
07:52
because you're not looking at your hands,
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因為你不是看著你的手
07:54
you're looking at where the balls are or you're looking at the audience.
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你是看著球、或是觀眾的
07:57
So this next part is really a way of understanding space and rhythm,
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下一步就是真的要瞭解空間和律動了
08:02
with the obvious reference to the feet,
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這和腳也脫不了關係
08:04
but it's also time -- where the feet were, where the balls were.
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還有時間點、腳在哪兒、球在哪兒
09:25
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
09:35
Thanks. So, visual music: rhythm and complexity.
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謝謝。這包括了視覺音樂、律動以及複雜度
09:40
I'm going to build towards complexity now.
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我現在就要提高複雜度了
09:42
Juggling three balls is simple and normal.
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拋三個球是很簡單、很正常的
09:46
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
09:48
Excuse me.
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抱歉
09:50
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
09:52
We're jugglers, OK. And remember, you're transposing,
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我們是雜技表演者。好，記得，你是在調換它的位置
09:55
you're getting into a subculture here.
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現在進入的是一個次文化
09:57
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
09:58
And juggling -- the balls cross and all that.
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然後把球拋過去
10:01
OK, if you keep them in their assigned paths you get parallel lines
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OK，如果你把它們保持在固定的路線，你會得到平行線
10:05
of different heights, but then hopefully even rhythm.
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不同的高度，但希望是同樣的節奏
10:08
And you can change the rhythm -- good, Michael.
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然後你可以改變節奏--- 很好
10:12
You can change the rhythm, if you get out of the lights.
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不在光線裡時，你可以變換節奏
10:14
OK? Change the rhythm, so it's even.
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OK? 改變節奏讓它平均
10:18
Or you can go back and change the height. Now, skill.
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你也可以回到原狀然後改變高度。現在，技巧
10:24
But you're boxed in, if you can only do it up and down that way.
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如果你只會這樣做上下的話，你會被侷限住
10:28
So, you've got to go after the space down there.
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你得把空間放大到這兒來
10:37
OK, then you've got to combine them,
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然後你要把它們結合在一起
10:40
because then you have the whole spatial palette in front of you.
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整個空間就像是調色盤一樣在你面前
10:49
And then you get crazy.
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然後瘋了
10:59
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
11:03
Now, I'm actually going to ask you to try something,
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現在，我真的要請你們做件事了
11:07
so you've got to pay attention. Complexity:
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你要很專心喔。複雜度，
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if you spend enough time doing something, time slows down
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如果你花夠長的時間做一件事，時間會變慢
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or your skill increases, so your perceptions change.
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或是你的技能會提昇，你的感官能力也起了變化
11:17
It's learning skills -- like being in a high-speed car crash.
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學習技能像是經歷一場高速車禍
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Things slow down as you learn, as you learn, as you learn.
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事情會在你學習的過程中變慢，你學著、學著...
11:24
You may not be able to affect it, it almost drifts on you. It goes.
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或許你沒辦法影響它，你是隨著它漂流、前進的
11:28
But that's the closest approximation I can have to it.
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但這是我能做的最貼切的形容了
11:31
So, complexity. Now, how many here are jugglers?
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回到複雜度。在座有多少人是會做雜技表演呀？
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OK, so most of you are going to have a similar reaction to this.
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那大部分的人等一下將會有差不多的反應
11:48
OK? And whoever laughed there --
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OK? 不管在那邊笑的是哪位
11:50
you understood it completely, right?
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你都完全瞭解了，對吧？
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
11:54
No, it looks like a mess. It looks like a mess with a guy there,
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這看起來亂七八糟。那位仁兄看起來好像遇到麻煩了
11:57
who's got his hands around that mess, OK.
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兩手搞的一團亂的那一位
12:00
Well, that's what juggling is about, right?
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反正這就是雜耍的真諦嘛，對吧？
12:02
It's being able to do something that other people can't do or can't understand.
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就是做一些別人做不到、或搞不懂的事嘛
12:06
All right. So, that's one way of doing it, which is five balls down.
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好，這是其中一種方式，五顆球朝下
12:09
OK? Another way is the outside.
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另一種方式是朝外的
12:14
And you could play with the rhythm.
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你可以跟著節奏玩
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Same pattern.
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同樣的手法
12:21
Make it faster and smaller.
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只是要加速、縮小範圍
12:24
Make it wider.
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拉大範圍
12:27
Make it narrower.
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或是窄一點
12:32
Bring it back up.
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帶回上頭來
12:35
OK. It's done. Thanks.
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好，結束，謝謝！
12:38
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
12:41
Now, what I wanted to get to is that you're all very bright, very tactile.
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現在，你們看起來都很聰明、靈敏
12:48
I have no idea how computer-oriented or three-dimensionally-oriented you are,
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我雖然不知道對電腦、對三度空間有多在行
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but let's try something.
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但我們來試試看這個
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OK, so since you all don't understand what the five-ball pattern is,
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好，因為你們都不清楚剛剛那五顆球的路徑模式
13:01
I'm going to give you a little clue.
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我現在要給你一點線索
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Enough of a clue? So, you get the pattern, right? OK.
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線索夠了吧？你抓住路線了，對吧？
13:18
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
13:21
You're not getting off that easy. All right?
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沒那麼容易，好嗎？
13:26
Now, do me a favor: follow the ball that I ask you to follow.
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現在，幫我個忙。看著我要你們看的那顆球
13:31
Green.
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綠色
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Yellow.
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黃色
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Pink.
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粉紅色
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White.
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白色
13:40
OK, you can do that? Yeah? OK.
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都做到了嗎？好
13:43
Now, let's actually learn something.
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我們現在真的來學點東西
13:46
Actually, let me put you in that area of learning, which is very insecure.
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讓我把你們放到「學習」的框框裡，讓人有不安的感覺吧
13:51
You want to do it? Yeah? OK.
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想要試試看嗎？好
13:55
Hands out in front of you. Palms up, together.
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伸出雙手、手掌向上、併攏
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What you're going to learn is this.
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你現在要學的是這個
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:05
OK? So what I want you to do is just listen to me and do it.
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OK嗎？現在你要聽我說，然後跟著做
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Index finger, middle finger, ring, little.
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食指、中指、無名指、小指
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Little, ring, middle, index. And then open.
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小指、無名指、中指、食指。然後打開
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指
14:20
A little bit faster.
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加快速度
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指
14:24
Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指
14:28
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:29
All right. A lot of different learning processes going on in here.
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好，現場就有很多不同的學習過程
14:33
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:35
One learning process that I see is this --
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我看到的其中一種是這樣的
14:38
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:40
OK. Another learning process that I see is this --
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還看到一種是這樣的
14:45
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
14:48
OK. So, everybody take a deep breath in, breath out. OK.
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好，大家深呼吸一口、吐氣。OK
14:53
Now, one more time, and --
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現在，再一次，預備---
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finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Open.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、打開
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. OK.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、好！
15:02
Shake your hands out.
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甩甩手
15:04
Now, I assume a lot of you spend a lot of time at a computer.
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我想很多人都花很多時間在電腦上吧？
15:07
OK? So, what you're doing is, you're going la, la, la,
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OK? 你都是這樣做-- 啦啦啦
15:10
and you're getting this. OK?
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然後變成這樣，OK?
15:12
So that's exactly what I'm going to ask you to do,
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這正是我要叫你做的
15:14
but in a slightly different way. You're going to combine it.
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但有一點點不同。你要融合兩者
15:17
So what I want you to do is -- fingers.
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我要你動的是手指
15:20
I'll tell you what to do with your fingers, same thing.
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我會跟你說你的手指頭要做什麼，跟剛才一樣
15:22
But I want you to do is also, with your eyes,
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但我還要你用眼睛一起
15:25
is follow the colored ball that I ask you to follow.
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跟著我叫你看的顏色的球
15:28
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
15:30
OK? Here we go.
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OK? 來吧
15:32
So, we're going to start off looking at the white ball --
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我們先從白色球開始
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and I'm going to tell you which color,
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然後我會告訴你別的顏色
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and I'm also going to tell you to go with your fingers. OK?
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然後還要你的手指一起配合，OK嗎？
15:38
So white ball and --
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白球和---
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finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Pink.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、粉紅色
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Finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger. Green.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、綠色
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Finger, finger, finger, finger. Yellow.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、黃色
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Finger, finger, finger, pink or finger.
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手指、手指、手指、手指、粉紅色、或是手指
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Pink, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger, finger.
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粉紅色、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指、手指
16:02
All right.
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好
16:04
(Applause)
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How did you do? Well? OK. The reason I wanted you to do this is
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做的如何呀？不錯嗎？我要你們這麼做的原因是
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because that's actually what most people face throughout their lives,
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因為這是大部分人一生中一直在面對的
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a moment of learning, a moment of challenge.
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學習的片刻、挑戰的片刻
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It's a moment that you can't make sense of.
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是個讓你沒有頭緒的瞬間
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Why the hell should I learn this? OK?
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我沒事幹嘛要學這個啊？
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Does it really have anything to do with anything in my life?
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這真的跟我的人生有關嗎？
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You know, I can't decipher -- is it fun? Is it challenging? Am I supposed to cheat?
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我也沒辦法解答--- 那好玩嗎？有挑戰性嗎？可以作弊嗎？
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(Laughter)
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You know, what are you supposed to do?
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你能怎麼辦呢？
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You've got somebody up here who is the operative principle
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台上這個人做這套原理
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of doing that for his whole life. OK?
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做了一輩子了，好嗎？
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Trying to figure that stuff out. But is it going to get you anywhere?
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想要搞懂它，但是它會幫你搞懂什麼嗎？
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It's just a moment. That's all it is, a moment. OK?
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那只是個瞬間。就這樣，OK?
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I'm going to change the script for one second. Just let me do this.
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我要改一下腳本。讓我做一下這個
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I don't need music for it. Talking about time in a moment.
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這裡不用音樂。待會兒就會談到"時間"
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There's a piece that I recently developed which was all about that,
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這一段是我最近發展出跟那相關的---
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a moment. And what I do as a creative artist
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"一瞬間"。這也是身為創意藝術者所做的，
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is I develop vocabularies or languages of moving objects.
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要為這些移動物體找出適合他們的言語、詞彙
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What I've done for you here, I developed a lot of those tricks
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這邊我把幾個手法做了些變化
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and I put the choreography together,
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然後編了舞蹈的成分進去
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but they're not original techniques.
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但這些其實不是原創的技法
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Now, I'm going to start showing you some original techniques
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現在我要開始表演一些原創的了
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that come from the work that I've developed. OK?
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是從我發展的進階變化而來的。好了嗎？
17:16
So, a moment, how would you define a moment?
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"一瞬間"，你會如何定義一瞬間？
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Well, as a juggler, what I wanted to do was create something
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身為雜技表演者，我想做的是創造出一項
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that was representational of a moment.
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能代表一瞬間的東西
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Ahhh.
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啊～
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All right, I'm going to get on my knees and do it.
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好，我現在要跪著，然後開始了
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So, a moment.
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瞬間
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(Rattling)
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OK? And then, what I did as a juggler was say,
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OK嗎？而我所要呈現的是
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OK, what can I do to make that something
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如何讓一個依附在另一個物體的東西
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that is dependent on something else, another dynamic.
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也成為另一個動態的物體
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(Rattling)
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So, a moment.
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好，一瞬間
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(Rattling)
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Another moment.
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另一瞬間
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Excuse me, still getting there. A moment that travels.
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抱歉，就快好了。行進的一瞬間
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A moment -- no, we'll try that again. It separates, and comes back together.
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一瞬間 --- 不，要再試一次。分開，然後合在一起
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Time. How can you look at time?
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時間。你要怎麼看的到時間？
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And what do you dedicate it to, in exploring a particular thing?
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你又要怎麼把它用於探索一個特定的東西？
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Well, obviously, there's something in here,
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很明顯的，這裡面有東西
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and you can all have a guess as to what it is.
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你可以猜猜看是什麼
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There's a mystery. There's a mystery in the moment.
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那一瞬間裡有個秘密
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And it has to settle. And then it's dependent on something else.
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它得定下來。它是靠著另一樣東西的
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And then it comes to rest. Just a little thing about time.
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呼！然後靜止下來。這只是一點關於時間的東西
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Now, this has expanded into a much bigger piece,
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接下來這一段的規模擴大很多
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because I use ramps of different parabolas that I roll the balls on
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因為我利用多個拋物線的斜面當做球的落點
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while I'm keeping time with this.
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同時要注意時間點
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But I just thought I'd talk about a moment.
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我想說我要聊一下一瞬間
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
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All right. OK. Can we show the video of the triangle?
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好，OK，我們可以放一段關於三角型的影片嗎？
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Are we ready to do that? Yes?
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準備好可以放了嗎？可以嗎？
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This is the piece that I told you about.
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這一段是我之前提到的
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It's a much bigger piece that I do exploring the space of a geometric triangle.
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是探索幾何三角形時發展出來、規模大很多的一段表演。
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Thanks. The only thing I'll say about the last session is,
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謝謝。關於最後一段，我要說的是，
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you ever try juggling and driving the car with your knees
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你有沒有試過玩雜技的同時邊用膝蓋開車
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at 120 miles an hour?
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飆到時速120英哩？
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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The only other thing is, it was a real shock.
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令我最震驚的還有一件事
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I always drove motorcycles. And when I bought my first car, it shocked me
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我以前都騎摩托車。當我買第一輛車的時候，我嚇傻了
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that it cost three times more than my parents' house. Interesting.
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因為它比我爸媽的房子還要貴三倍...真好笑。
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Anyway, balance:
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好，平衡---
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constant movement to find an approach to stillness.
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就是在平穩持續的移動中達到靜止
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Cheating.
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作弊！
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
21:10
Balance: making up the rules so you can't cheat,
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平衡-- 制定一些規則讓你不能作弊
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so you learn to approach stillness with different parts of your body.
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你才能學會怎麼用身體的不同部位達到靜止
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To have a conversation with it. To speak. To listen.
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跟它對話。說話、聆聽
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
21:36
Hup. Now, it's dependent on rhythm,
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現在，要跟著節奏
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and keeping a center of balance. When it falls, going underneath.
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在它落下時維持一個平衡的中心點，然後在下面接
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So, there's a rhythm to it.
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它有個節奏
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The rhythm can get much smaller.
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節奏可以變得小很多
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As your skill increases, you learn to find those tinier spaces,
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隨著你技術的精進，自然會找到那更小的空間、
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those tinier movements. Thanks.
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更小的移動。謝謝！
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
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Now, I'm going to show you the beginnings of a piece
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我現在要呈現一段作品的開頭
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that is about balance in some ways, and also --
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某方面而言它是跟平衡有關的，而且..
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oh, actually, if you're bored, not here, here's one use for it.
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喔，你無聊的時候，但不是現在，這還蠻有用的
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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You can go with the "Sticks One" music.
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你可以用棍子、跟著音樂
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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24:18
Thanks. That has a certain kind of balance to it, which is all about plumb.
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謝謝。剛剛那段涵蓋著垂直原理的平衡
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I apprenticed with a carpenter and learned about plumb, square and level.
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是我當一位木匠的學徒時學的，學垂直、正方、水平
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And they influenced that, and this next piece, which I'll do a little segment of.
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那影響了剛剛那一段和接下來這一段表演，我等一下會把它做切割
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"Two Sticks," you can go with it. Thanks.
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兩根棍子。可以下音樂，謝謝。
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Which is again exploring space, or the lines in space.
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同樣是探索空間、或是空間裡的線條的概念
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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Working with space and the lines in space in a different way.
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用不同的方式在空間、空間中的線條運作
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Oh, let's see here.
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喔，來看看這個
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
26:29
So, I'll come back to that in a second. But working with one ball,
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等一下會回到這裡。先來一個球的表演
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now, what if you attach something to it, or change it.
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如果你加點東西進去，或是做點變化
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This is a little thing that I made
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這是我做的小變化
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because I really like the idea of curves and balls together.
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因為我真的很喜歡曲線和球一起運作的感覺
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And then creating space and the rhythm of space,
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接著要創造一個空間和空間的節奏
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using the surface of the balls, the surface of the arms.
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利用球的表面、手臂的表面
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Just a little toy. Which leads me to the next thing,
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只是個小玩具，但帶出下一樣東西
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which is --
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那就是--
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what have I got here? OK. All right.
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我這兒有什麼？OK，好
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I'm actually leading up to something,
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我其實是要帶出一個東西的
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the newest thing that I'm working on. This is not it.
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我最新研發的東西。不是這個。
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This is exploring geometry and the rhythm of shape.
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這是探索幾何學和形狀的律動
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
28:20
Now, what I just did was I worked with the mathematics --
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我剛做的是跟數學的結合
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the diameter and the circumference.
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直徑和圓周的概念
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Sometimes these pieces are mathematical, in that way
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這些表演是因為這樣而和數學有關的
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that I look at a shape and say, what about if I use this and this and this.
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我會看著一個形狀然後說：如果我試試用這個、這個、和這個呢？
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Sometimes what happens in life affects my choice
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有時候周遭發生的事情
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of objects that I try to work with.
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會影響我選擇表演物體的決定
28:39
The next piece that I'm going to do -- which is the cylinders piece,
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接下來我要做的是一個滾筒的表演
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if you want to get that up --
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如果你想知道的話
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it has to do with cylinder seals from about 5,000 years ago,
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它是跟5,000年前的滾筒印章有關
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which were stones with designs that were used to roll over wet clay
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滾筒印章是帶有雕刻設計的石頭、用來在濕泥土上滾動的
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with all sorts of great designs. I love ceramics and all of that.
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有各式各樣的設計。我好愛那些和製陶相關的東西
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It's a combination of that, the beauty of that, the shape,
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那是一個結合體，裡面包含的美、它的形狀、
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and the stories that were involved in it,
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和它們所述說的故事
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as well as the fact that they protected the contents.
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當然它們還可以保護筒裡的東西
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The second influence on this piece came from recycling
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另一個影響這段表演的靈感來自於資源回收
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and looking into a tin can recycling bin
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注視著資源回收桶裡的空罐時
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and seeing all that beautiful emptiness.
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凝視著那空洞的美感
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So, if you want to go with the music for cylinders.
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好，現在請跟著滾筒的音樂
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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Talking about geometry and everything,
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談到幾何學和相關的東西時
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if you take the circle and you split it in half --
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若你把圓分成兩半
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can you run "S-Curve music?"
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可以放S曲線的音樂嗎？
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I'm going to do just a short version of it.
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我現在只是要做一小段
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Circles split in half and rotated, and mythology.
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圓圈分成兩半、接著轉動、跟著神話
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(Music)
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
34:24
Anyway, that piece also has a kinetic sculpture in the middle of it,
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這裡頭還包含了個活動雕塑品
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and I dance around a small stage so --
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我在小小的舞台上跳著舞
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two minutes, just to end? The latest piece that I'm working on --
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兩分鐘讓我做個結尾？最新的一段表演---
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what I love is that I never know what I'm working on, why I'm working on it.
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我最愛的是我從不知道我在研發些什麼？為什麼要做這個？
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They're not ideas, they're instincts.
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它們不是一些想法，而是直覺
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And the latest thing that I'm working on --
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我在研發的最新一段
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(Clattering) --
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（鏗鏘聲）
34:51
is something really -- I don't know what it is yet.
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是一個真的---我還不知道是什麼的東西
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And that's good. I like not to know for as long as possible.
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但這很好～能多久不知道算多久
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Well, because then it tells me the truth,
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我希望它自然告訴我它是什麼
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instead of me imposing the truth.
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而不是我強加在它身上使它發生的結果
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And what it is, is working with both positive and negative space
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這不只是利用正負空間
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but also with these curves.
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也結合了這些曲線
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And what it involves,
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它包含了---
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and I don't know if my hands are too beaten up to do it or not,
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我不知道我是不是有點手殘、沒辦法做這段
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but I'll do a little bit of it.
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我還是試著做做看
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It initially started off with me stacking these things,
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一開始是把這些東西做堆疊
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bunches of them, and then playing with the sense of space,
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有一大堆要做，接著開始融入空間感
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of filling in the space. And then it started changing,
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充斥著整個空間的感覺。然後開始變化
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and become folding on themselves.
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變成彼此交疊
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And then changing levels.
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再來是層次的變換
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Because my attempt is to make visual instruments,
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因為我想要試的是做出視覺樂器
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not to just make -- I'll try one other thing.
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而不只是...我再試試看別的
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For work in three dimensions, with your perceptions of space and time.
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用你對空間和時間的感知做一個3D的表演
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Now, I don't know exactly where it's going,
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我不確定它會變怎樣
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but I've got a bit of effort involved in this thing.
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但我投了心力在這上面
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And it's going to change as I go through it.
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等一下隨著我的表演，它會有所變化
36:12
But I really like it, it feels right.
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但我真的很喜歡，感覺很對！
36:14
This may not be the right shape, and -- look at this shape,
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這不一定會是對的形狀，但我會看著這個形狀
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and then I'll show you the first design I ever put to it,
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然後我會讓你們看到我最初的設計
36:22
just to see, just to play,
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就看看、玩一下
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because I love all different kinds of things to play with.
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因為我喜歡玩各式各樣不同的東西
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Let's see here.
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看看這個
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To work with the positive and negative in a different way.
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把正負空間用不同的手法呈現
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And to change, and to change.
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做變換、做變換
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So, I'm off in my new direction with this to explore rhythm and space.
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好，今天就到這兒，我要繼續在節奏和空間中探索新方向了
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We'll see what I come up with. Thanks for having me.
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看看我會找出什麼！謝謝你們的邀請
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Michael Moschen - JugglerQuite simply, Michael Moschen has revolutionized juggling, refining it into an art and a bit of a science. With a few flying balls and well-chosen props he will completely re-wire your notions of the physically possible.
Why you should listen
A high school dropout turned MacArthur "genius grant" recipient, Michael Moschen is an art juggler, spawning scores of imitators and an entire methodology of crystal-ball juggling he likes to call Dynamic Manipulation. (The previously mentioned imitators call it "Contact Juggling," a term that Moschen himself despises.)
With a penchant for discipline, choreography, and catching flying balls -- and using props that include flaming torches, hoops, rods, and a ten-foot plastic triangle enclosure within which he stands, bouncing balls against the sides to achieve incredible patterns and velocities -- he creates illusions of speed and light that push the envelope of what is possible within this age-old circus art. Many of his techniques and routines are showcased in In Motion with Michael Moschen, a program produced in 1991 for National Public Television's Great Performances series.
Michael Moschen | Speaker | TED.com