Deborah Lipstadt: Behind the lies of Holocaust denial
데보라 립스타트(Deborah Lipstadt): 홀로코스트 부정이라는 거짓말의 이면
Deborah Lipstadt's research focuses on the development of Holocaust denial and how to fight for the truth in an era marked by "alternative facts." Full bio
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말씀드리려고 합니다.
about Holocaust denial,
처음 들었을 때,
the dubious distinction
genocide in the world?
믿는 사람이 정말 있다고?
their harrowing stories.
전해준 생존자들입니다.
of towns and villages and cities
도시에 살았던 사람들이요.
be rounded up --
체포되는 현장을 목격했습니다.
to the outskirts of the town
지켜본 사람들입니다.
around the death camps,
목격한 사람들입니다.
누가 또 틀렸을까요?
자백한 사람들이요.
I was forced to do it."
어쩔 수 없었습니다."라고 말하겠지만
자백한 사람들입니다.
since the end of World War II
그 어떤 전범 재판에서도
ever said, "It didn't happen."
라고 말한 가해자는 없었죠.
but never that it didn't happen.
비극 자체를 부인하지는 않았죠.
going to be on my agenda;
의제가 아니라는 결론에 이르렀습니다.
to write about, to research,
많다고 생각했죠.
저명한 선배 역사학자 두 분이
of the Holocaust --
that we think is perfect for you."
that they came to me with an idea
to believe what they say?"
믿게 했을까요?"
it was worthwhile,
연구주제라고 믿는다면,
생각했습니다.
three, maybe even four --
길면 사 년 정도요.
with a number of things,
몇 가지를 알게 되었습니다.
with you today.
나치, 신나치들입니다.
to put a "neo" there or not.
중요하지 않아요.
알 수 있어요.
as respectable academics.
겉만 그럴싸한 학술지요.
"우리는 수정론자입니다.
one inch below the surface,
편견이 있습니다.
parading as rational discourse.
인종차별, 편견이었습니다.
there are facts and there are opinions --
의견도 있다고 배웠습니다.
is take their lies,
침해하게 됩니다.
Assault on Truth and Memory,"
진실과 기억에 대한 점증하는 공격"
and ready to move on.
다음으로 넘어갈 예정이었어요.
한 통의 편지를 받습니다.
was bringing a libel suit against me
절 고소했다는 내용이었습니다.
불렀다는 이유였습니다.
of historical works,
글이 대부분이었죠.
took the position
태도를 취했습니다.
to get this opinion.
역사적 사실을 꼬아버렸죠.
부정했던 것은 아닙니다.
was this was a man
때문이었습니다.
the battleship Auschwitz."
침몰시킬 것이다."라고 말했습니다.
on a survivor's arm and said,
수감번호를 가리키며
tattooed on your arm?"
묻는 부류였습니다.
케네디 상원의원의 차 사고에서
더 많은 사람이 죽었다"라고 말했죠.
but you can look it up.
at all ashamed or reticent
사실을 부끄러워하거나
colleagues counseled me --
ignore a libel suit,
무시할 수는 없다고 말하면,
believe him anyway?"
라고 대답했어요.
put the burden of proof on me
been in the United States
훼손했는지 입증해야 했습니다.
is a legitimate version.
제 연구는 합법적입니다.
to have libeled me
홀로코스트 부인론자라고
am not a Holocaust denier."
홀로코스트 부정론자가 아닙니다."
with any suffering that went on,
전혀 관계가 없으며
and abettance of the allies --
and planted the evidence.
방관할 수 없었습니다.
얼굴을 볼 수 없었습니다.
a responsible historian.
볼 수 없을 것 같았습니다.
who haven't seen "Denial,"
아직 안 보셨다면,
in over 25 different major instances.
일관된 패턴을 발견했습니다.
in this audience write books,
이 자리에 계신 여러분들은
we're glad to have second editions:
제2판 인쇄가 있어 다행이죠.
in the same direction:
같은 방향으로 흘렀습니다.
back to his sources.
he made some reference to the Holocaust,
he didn't have the evidence.
입증하지 못했습니다.
사건이 아니었습니다.
아님을 증명했습니다.
because he either quotes them
반박했습니다.
부정론자들도 진실하지 않았죠.
more than just the story
6년간의 힘든 소송이
six-year, difficult lawsuit,
이유는 무엇일까요?
being dragged into a courtroom
declared in its judgment
어떤 의미가 있을까요?
of the question of truth,
the gifts it has given us,
많은 혜택을 주었습니다
between facts -- established facts --
기정사실과 거짓말의 차이를
white supremacist language.
들리지 않을지 모릅니다.
"National Front" -- pick your names.
이름이 그 자리를 대신합니다.
that I found in Holocaust denial
부정에서 발견하였던
극단주의가 있습니다.
where truth is on the defensive.
시대에 살고 있습니다.
in "The New Yorker"
한 퀴즈쇼에서
is saying to one of the contestants,
이런 말을 합니다.
more loudly than you did,
더 크게 대답했어요.
by rational appearances.
발견하게 될 것입니다.
that truth is not relative.
알아야 합니다.
one of the highest offices in the land,
are the same as the facts.
취급해서는 안 됩니다.
truth is not relative.
진실은 상대적이지 않습니다.
in the world of the academy
everything is open to debate.
배웠습니다.
가르침을 기억하세요.
to recant by the Vatican
지동설을 철회하라는
지금도 유명한 명언을 남겼습니다.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Deborah Lipstadt - HistorianDeborah Lipstadt's research focuses on the development of Holocaust denial and how to fight for the truth in an era marked by "alternative facts."
Why you should listen
Dr. Deborah E. Lipstadt, Dorot professor of Holocaust Studies at Emory University in Atlanta, was sued for libel in 1996 by David Irving for having called him a Holocaust denier. After a ten-week trial in London in 2000, in an overwhelming victory for Lipstadt, the judge found Irving to be a "neo-Nazi polemicist" who "perverts" history and engages in "racist" and "anti-Semitic" discourse. The Daily Telegraph (London) described the trial as having "done for the new century what the Nuremberg tribunals or the Eichmann trial did for earlier generations." The Times (London) described it as "history has had its day in court and scored a crushing victory." According to the New York Times, the trial "put an end to the pretense that Mr. Irving is anything but a self-promoting apologist for Hitler."
The movie Denial, starring Rachel Weisz and Tom Wilkenson with a screenplay by David Hare, tells the story of this legal battle. It is based on Lipstadt's book, History on Trial: My Day in Court with a Holocaust Denier (Harper Collins, 2006), and recently reissued as Denial (Harper Collins, 2016). The film was nominated for a BAFTA as one of the best British films of the year.
Lipstadt has written most recently Holocaust: An American Understanding (Rutgers, 2016), which explores how America has understood and interpreted the Holocaust since 1945.
Her previous book, The Eichmann Trial, (Schocken/Nextbook, 2011) published in commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the Eichmann trial, was called by Publisher's Weekly, "a penetrating and authoritative dissection of a landmark case and its after effects." The New York Times Book Review described Lipstadt as having "done a great service by … recovering the event as a gripping legal drama, as well as a hinge moment in Israel's history and in the world's delayed awakening to the magnitude of the Holocaust."
She has also published Beyond Belief: The American Press And The Coming Of The Holocaust, 1933-1945 (Free Press, 1986), which surveys what the American press wrote about the persecution of the Jews in the years 1933-1945. She is currently writing a book, The Antisemitic Delusion: Letters to a Concerned Student which will be published in 2018.
At Emory, Lipstadt directs the website known as HDOT, Holocaust Denial on Trial, which contains a complete archive of the proceedings of Irving v. Penguin UK and Deborah Lipstadt. It also provides answers to frequent claims made by deniers. Lipstadt has won the Emery Williams Teaching Award, and she was selected for the award by alumni as the teacher who had most influenced them.
Lipstadt was a historical consultant to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, helping design the section of the Museum dedicated to the American Response to the Holocaust. She has held a Presidential appointment to the United States Holocaust Memorial Council (from Presidents Clinton and Obama) and was asked by President George W. Bush to represent the White House at the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.
Lipstadt has a BA from the City College of New York and an MA and PhD from Brandeis University.
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