Deborah Lipstadt: Behind the lies of Holocaust denial
Deborah Lipstadt: Achter de leugens van de Holocaustontkenning
Deborah Lipstadt's research focuses on the development of Holocaust denial and how to fight for the truth in an era marked by "alternative facts." Full bio
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about Holocaust denial,
van Holocaustontkenning
the dubious distinction
die de twijfelachtige eer heeft
genocide in the world?
genocide in de wereld te zijn?
their harrowing stories.
hun schokkende verhalen hebben verteld.
of towns and villages and cities
dorpen en steden woonden
be rounded up --
to the outskirts of the town
te worden gemarcheerd
en in de sloot gegooid.
around the death camps,
de vernietigingskampen woonden,
ook ongelijk moeten hebben?
"We hebben het gedaan."
I was forced to do it."
ik werd ertoe gedwongen."
"Ik heb het gedaan."
since the end of World War II
sinds de Tweede Wereldoorlog
ever said, "It didn't happen."
ooit gezegd: "Dat is nooit gebeurd."
but never that it didn't happen.
maar nooit dat het niet gebeurd was.
going to be on my agenda;
ging bezighouden met ontkenning;
to write about, to research,
om over te schrijven en te onderzoeken,
of the Holocaust --
inzake de Holocaust --
that we think is perfect for you."
de aangewezen persoon voor lijkt."
that they came to me with an idea
dat ze met een idee kwamen
to believe what they say?"
dat mensen hen geloven?"
it was worthwhile,
dat het de moeite waard is,
wel even kunnen inpassen --
three, maybe even four --
misschien ook wel vier --
with a number of things,
en vond een aantal dingen,
with you today.
twee van met jullie wil delen.
to put a "neo" there or not.
of je er 'neo' voor wilt zetten.
as respectable academics.
als respectabele academici.
-- een goed ogend vakblad --
in de geschiedschrijving."
one inch below the surface,
onder de oppervlakte te kijken
racisme, vooringenomenheid,
parading as rational discourse.
there are facts and there are opinions --
dat er feiten zijn en meningen --
van ontkenners zie ik dat anders.
is take their lies,
is hun leugens nemen,
op te kunnen eisen.
de feiten aan te vreten.
Assault on Truth and Memory,"
Aanslag op Waarheid en Geheugen',
and ready to move on.
was bringing a libel suit against me
een rechtszaak tegen me zou aanspannen
voor Holocaustontkenner.
of historical works,
van historische werken,
de Tweede Wereldoorlog,
took the position
kwam tot de conclusie
to get this opinion.
om tot zijn mening te komen.
Holocaustontkenner geweest,
met groot enthousiasme.
was this was a man
omdat dit een man was
-- ik citeer --
the battleship Auschwitz."
tot zinken brengen."
op de arm van een slachtoffer en zei:
on a survivor's arm and said,
tattooed on your arm?"
op je arm te laten zetten?"
in de auto van senator Kennedy
in de gaskamers van Auschwitz."
but you can look it up.
incident, je kunt het opzoeken.
at all ashamed or reticent
of terughoudendheid
colleagues counseled me --
collega's adviseerden me:
ignore a libel suit,
een rechtszaak kunt negeren,
believe him anyway?"
trouwens geloven?"
put the burden of proof on me
moest ik mijn gelijk bewijzen,
dat wat ik had gezegd waar was,
been in the United States
en veel andere landen,
om aan te tonen dat ik het fout had.
is a legitimate version.
van de Holocaust is de rechtmatige versie.
to have libeled me
voor Holocaustontkenner.
am not a Holocaust denier."
geen Holocaustontkenner."
om Joden te vermoorden,
with any suffering that went on,
van enig lijden
dit allemaal zelf verzonnen
and abettance of the allies --
van de geallieerden --
and planted the evidence.
en alle bewijzen in scène gezet.
a responsible historian.
historica noemen.
who haven't seen "Denial,"
was tendentieus,
in over 25 different major instances.
op meer dan 25 belangrijke punten.
in this audience write books,
in het publiek schrijven boeken,
we're glad to have second editions:
daarom zijn we zo blij met de tweede druk:
in the same direction:
altijd in dezelfde richting:
back to his sources.
terug naar zijn bronnen.
he made some reference to the Holocaust,
waar hij refereerde aan de Holocaust,
in een vergadering geveinsd.
he didn't have the evidence.
dat er gebeurd was --
because he either quotes them
want ofwel hij citeert hen,
hun argumenten van hem --
more than just the story
meer dan alleen het verhaal
six-year, difficult lawsuit,
moeilijke rechtszaak
being dragged into a courtroom
die naar een rechtszaal werd gesleept
declared in its judgment
in het oordeel van de rechter
of the question of truth,
van waarheidsvinding
the gifts it has given us,
dat ze ons heeft gebracht,
between facts -- established facts --
tussen feiten -- vaststaande feiten --
geen Ku Klux Klan-gewaden,
white supremacist language.
over blanke suprematie.
"National Front" -- pick your names.
of 'National Front' -- kies maar een naam.
that I found in Holocaust denial
dat ik vond in de Holocaustontkenning
where truth is on the defensive.
de waarheid zich moet verdedigen.
een cartoon in de New Yorker.
in "The New Yorker"
is saying to one of the contestants,
tegen een van de deelnemers zegt:
more loudly than you did,
by rational appearances.
door een rationeel voorkomen.
that truth is not relative.
dat waarheid niet relatief is.
een belachelijke bewering doet,
one of the highest offices in the land,
van de hoogste posities in het land,
na aan de schenen leggen.
are the same as the facts.
alsof hun leugens de waarheid zijn.
truth is not relative.
is de waarheid niet relatief.
in the world of the academy
in de wereld van de academie
everything is open to debate.
dat alles bespreekbaar is.
to recant by the Vatican
terug te komen op zijn woorden
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Deborah Lipstadt - HistorianDeborah Lipstadt's research focuses on the development of Holocaust denial and how to fight for the truth in an era marked by "alternative facts."
Why you should listen
Dr. Deborah E. Lipstadt, Dorot professor of Holocaust Studies at Emory University in Atlanta, was sued for libel in 1996 by David Irving for having called him a Holocaust denier. After a ten-week trial in London in 2000, in an overwhelming victory for Lipstadt, the judge found Irving to be a "neo-Nazi polemicist" who "perverts" history and engages in "racist" and "anti-Semitic" discourse. The Daily Telegraph (London) described the trial as having "done for the new century what the Nuremberg tribunals or the Eichmann trial did for earlier generations." The Times (London) described it as "history has had its day in court and scored a crushing victory." According to the New York Times, the trial "put an end to the pretense that Mr. Irving is anything but a self-promoting apologist for Hitler."
The movie Denial, starring Rachel Weisz and Tom Wilkenson with a screenplay by David Hare, tells the story of this legal battle. It is based on Lipstadt's book, History on Trial: My Day in Court with a Holocaust Denier (Harper Collins, 2006), and recently reissued as Denial (Harper Collins, 2016). The film was nominated for a BAFTA as one of the best British films of the year.
Lipstadt has written most recently Holocaust: An American Understanding (Rutgers, 2016), which explores how America has understood and interpreted the Holocaust since 1945.
Her previous book, The Eichmann Trial, (Schocken/Nextbook, 2011) published in commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the Eichmann trial, was called by Publisher's Weekly, "a penetrating and authoritative dissection of a landmark case and its after effects." The New York Times Book Review described Lipstadt as having "done a great service by … recovering the event as a gripping legal drama, as well as a hinge moment in Israel's history and in the world's delayed awakening to the magnitude of the Holocaust."
She has also published Beyond Belief: The American Press And The Coming Of The Holocaust, 1933-1945 (Free Press, 1986), which surveys what the American press wrote about the persecution of the Jews in the years 1933-1945. She is currently writing a book, The Antisemitic Delusion: Letters to a Concerned Student which will be published in 2018.
At Emory, Lipstadt directs the website known as HDOT, Holocaust Denial on Trial, which contains a complete archive of the proceedings of Irving v. Penguin UK and Deborah Lipstadt. It also provides answers to frequent claims made by deniers. Lipstadt has won the Emery Williams Teaching Award, and she was selected for the award by alumni as the teacher who had most influenced them.
Lipstadt was a historical consultant to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, helping design the section of the Museum dedicated to the American Response to the Holocaust. She has held a Presidential appointment to the United States Holocaust Memorial Council (from Presidents Clinton and Obama) and was asked by President George W. Bush to represent the White House at the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.
Lipstadt has a BA from the City College of New York and an MA and PhD from Brandeis University.
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