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George Tulevski: The next step in nanotechnology
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Nearly every other year the transistors that power silicon computer chip shrink in size by half and double in performance, enabling our devices to become more mobile and accessible. But what happens when these components can't get any smaller? George Tulevski researches the unseen and untapped world of nanomaterials. His current work: developing chemical processes to compel billions of carbon nanotubes to assemble themselves into the patterns needed to build circuits, much the same way natural organisms build intricate, diverse and elegant structures. Could they hold the secret to the next generation of computing?
George Tulevski - Materials scientist
IBM's George Tulevski wants to use carbon nanotubes to revolutionize microchip design. Full bio
IBM's George Tulevski wants to use carbon nanotubes to revolutionize microchip design. Full bio
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Let's imagine a sculptor
building a statue,
building a statue,
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just chipping away with his chisel.
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Michelangelo had this elegant way
of describing it when he said,
of describing it when he said,
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"Every block of stone
has a statue inside of it,
has a statue inside of it,
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and it's the task
of the sculptor to discover it."
of the sculptor to discover it."
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But what if he worked
in the opposite direction?
in the opposite direction?
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Not from a solid block of stone,
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but from a pile of dust,
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somehow gluing millions of these particles
together to form a statue.
together to form a statue.
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I know that's an absurd notion.
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It's probably impossible.
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The only way you get
a statue from a pile of dust
a statue from a pile of dust
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is if the statue built itself --
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if somehow we could compel millions
of these particles to come together
of these particles to come together
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to form the statue.
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Now, as odd as that sounds,
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that is almost exactly the problem
I work on in my lab.
I work on in my lab.
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I don't build with stone,
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I build with nanomaterials.
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They're these just impossibly small,
fascinating little objects.
fascinating little objects.
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They're so small that if this controller
was a nanoparticle,
was a nanoparticle,
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a human hair would be the size
of this entire room.
of this entire room.
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And they're at the heart of a field
we call nanotechnology,
we call nanotechnology,
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which I'm sure we've all heard about,
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and we've all heard
how it is going to change everything.
how it is going to change everything.
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When I was a graduate student,
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it was one of the most exciting times
to be working in nanotechnology.
to be working in nanotechnology.
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There were scientific breakthroughs
happening all the time.
happening all the time.
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The conferences were buzzing,
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there was tons of money
pouring in from funding agencies.
pouring in from funding agencies.
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And the reason is
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when objects get really small,
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they're governed by a different set
of physics that govern ordinary objects,
of physics that govern ordinary objects,
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like the ones we interact with.
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We call this physics quantum mechanics.
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And what it tells you is
that you can precisely tune their behavior
that you can precisely tune their behavior
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just by making seemingly
small changes to them,
small changes to them,
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like adding or removing
a handful of atoms,
a handful of atoms,
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or twisting the material.
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It's like this ultimate toolkit.
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You really felt empowered;
you felt like you could make anything.
you felt like you could make anything.
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And we were doing it --
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and by we I mean my whole
generation of graduate students.
generation of graduate students.
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We were trying to make blazing fast
computers using nanomaterials.
computers using nanomaterials.
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We were constructing quantum dots
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that could one day go in your body
and find and fight disease.
and find and fight disease.
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There were even groups
trying to make an elevator to space
trying to make an elevator to space
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using carbon nanotubes.
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You can look that up, that's true.
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Anyways, we thought it was going to affect
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all parts of science and technology,
from computing to medicine.
from computing to medicine.
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And I have to admit,
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I drank all of the Kool-Aid.
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I mean, every last drop.
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But that was 15 years ago,
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and --
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fantastic science was done,
really important work.
really important work.
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We've learned a lot.
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We were never able to translate
that science into new technologies --
that science into new technologies --
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into technologies
that could actually impact people.
that could actually impact people.
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And the reason is, these nanomaterials --
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they're like a double-edged sword.
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The same thing that makes
them so interesting --
them so interesting --
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their small size --
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also makes them impossible to work with.
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It's literally like trying to build
a statue out of a pile of dust.
a statue out of a pile of dust.
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And we just don't have the tools
that are small enough to work with them.
that are small enough to work with them.
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But even if we did,
it wouldn't really matter,
it wouldn't really matter,
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because we couldn't one by one
place millions of particles together
place millions of particles together
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to build a technology.
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So because of that,
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all of the promise
and all of the excitement
and all of the excitement
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has remained just that:
promise and excitement.
promise and excitement.
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We don't have any
disease-fighting nanobots,
disease-fighting nanobots,
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there's no elevators to space,
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and the thing that I'm most interested in,
no new types of computing.
no new types of computing.
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Now that last one,
that's a really important one.
that's a really important one.
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We just have come to expect
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the pace of computing advancements
to go on indefinitely.
to go on indefinitely.
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We've built entire economies on this idea.
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And this pace exists
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because of our ability
to pack more and more devices
to pack more and more devices
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onto a computer chip.
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And as those devices get smaller,
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they get faster, they consume less power
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and they get cheaper.
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And it's this convergence
that gives us this incredible pace.
that gives us this incredible pace.
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As an example:
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if I took the room-sized computer
that sent three men to the moon and back
that sent three men to the moon and back
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and somehow compressed it --
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compressed the world's
greatest computer of its day,
greatest computer of its day,
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so it was the same size
as your smartphone --
as your smartphone --
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your actual smartphone,
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that thing you spent 300 bucks on
and just toss out every two years,
and just toss out every two years,
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would blow this thing away.
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You would not be impressed.
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It couldn't do anything
that your smartphone does.
that your smartphone does.
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It would be slow,
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you couldn't put any of your stuff on it,
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you could possibly
get through the first two minutes
get through the first two minutes
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of a "Walking Dead" episode
if you're lucky --
if you're lucky --
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(Laughter)
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The point is the progress --
it's not gradual.
it's not gradual.
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The progress is relentless.
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It's exponential.
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It compounds on itself year after year,
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to the point where
if you compare a technology
if you compare a technology
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from one generation to the next,
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they're almost unrecognizable.
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And we owe it to ourselves
to keep this progress going.
to keep this progress going.
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We want to say the same thing
10, 20, 30 years from now:
10, 20, 30 years from now:
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look what we've done
over the last 30 years.
over the last 30 years.
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Yet we know this progress
may not last forever.
may not last forever.
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In fact, the party's kind of winding down.
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It's like "last call for alcohol," right?
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If you look under the covers,
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by many metrics
like speed and performance,
like speed and performance,
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the progress has already slowed to a halt.
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So if we want to keep this party going,
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we have to do what we've
always been able to do,
always been able to do,
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and that is to innovate.
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So our group's role
and our group's mission
and our group's mission
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is to innovate
by employing carbon nanotubes,
by employing carbon nanotubes,
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because we think that they can
provide a path to continue this pace.
provide a path to continue this pace.
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They are just like they sound.
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They're tiny, hollow tubes
of carbon atoms,
of carbon atoms,
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and their nanoscale size,
that small size,
that small size,
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gives rise to these
just outstanding electronic properties.
just outstanding electronic properties.
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And the science tells us
if we could employ them in computing,
if we could employ them in computing,
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we could see up to a ten times
improvement in performance.
improvement in performance.
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It's like skipping through several
technology generations in just one step.
technology generations in just one step.
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So there we have it.
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We have this really important problem
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and we have what is basically
the ideal solution.
the ideal solution.
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The science is screaming at us,
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"This is what you should be doing
to solve your problem."
to solve your problem."
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So, all right, let's get started,
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let's do this.
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But you just run right back
into that double-edged sword.
into that double-edged sword.
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This "ideal solution" contains a material
that's impossible to work with.
that's impossible to work with.
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I'd have to arrange billions of them
just to make one single computer chip.
just to make one single computer chip.
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It's that same conundrum,
it's like this undying problem.
it's like this undying problem.
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At this point, we said, "Let's just stop.
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Let's not go down that same road.
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Let's just figure out what's missing.
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What are we not dealing with?
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What are we not doing
that needs to be done?"
that needs to be done?"
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It's like in "The Godfather," right?
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When Fredo betrays his brother Michael,
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we all know what needs to be done.
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Fredo's got to go.
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(Laughter)
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But Michael -- he puts it off.
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Fine, I get it.
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Their mother's still alive,
it would make her upset.
it would make her upset.
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We just said,
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"What's the Fredo in our problem?"
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What are we not dealing with?
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What are we not doing,
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but needs to be done
to make this a success?"
to make this a success?"
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And the answer is
that the statue has to build itself.
that the statue has to build itself.
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We have to find a way, somehow,
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to compel, to convince
billions of these particles
billions of these particles
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to assemble themselves
into the technology.
into the technology.
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We can't do it for them.
They have to do it for themselves.
They have to do it for themselves.
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And it's the hard way,
and this is not trivial,
and this is not trivial,
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but in this case, it's the only way.
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Now, as it turns out,
this is not that alien of a problem.
this is not that alien of a problem.
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We just don't build anything this way.
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People don't build anything this way.
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But if you look around --
and there's examples everywhere --
and there's examples everywhere --
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Mother Nature builds everything this way.
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Everything is built from the bottom up.
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You can go to the beach,
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you'll find these simple organisms
that use proteins --
that use proteins --
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basically molecules --
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to template what is essentially sand,
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just plucking it from the sea
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and building these extraordinary
architectures with extreme diversity.
architectures with extreme diversity.
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And nature's not crude like us,
just hacking away.
just hacking away.
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She's elegant and smart,
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building with what's available,
molecule by molecule,
molecule by molecule,
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making structures with a complexity
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and a diversity
that we can't even approach.
that we can't even approach.
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And she's already at the nano.
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She's been there
for hundreds of millions of years.
for hundreds of millions of years.
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We're the ones that are late to the party.
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So we decided that we're going
to use the same tool that nature uses,
to use the same tool that nature uses,
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and that's chemistry.
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Chemistry is the missing tool.
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And chemistry works in this case
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because these nanoscale objects
are about the same size as molecules,
are about the same size as molecules,
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so we can use them
to steer these objects around,
to steer these objects around,
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much like a tool.
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That's exactly what we've done in our lab.
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We've developed chemistry
that goes into the pile of dust,
that goes into the pile of dust,
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into the pile of nanoparticles,
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and pulls out exactly the ones we need.
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Then we can use chemistry to arrange
literally billions of these particles
literally billions of these particles
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into the pattern
we need to build circuits.
we need to build circuits.
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And because we can do that,
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we can build circuits
that are many times faster
that are many times faster
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than what anyone's been able
to make using nanomaterials before.
to make using nanomaterials before.
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Chemistry's the missing tool,
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and every day our tool gets sharper
and gets more precise.
and gets more precise.
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And eventually --
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and we hope this is
within a handful of years --
within a handful of years --
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we can deliver on one
of those original promises.
of those original promises.
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Now, computing is just one example.
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It's the one that I'm interested in,
that my group is really invested in,
that my group is really invested in,
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but there are others
in renewable energy, in medicine,
in renewable energy, in medicine,
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in structural materials,
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where the science is going to tell you
to move towards the nano.
to move towards the nano.
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That's where the biggest benefit is.
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But if we're going to do that,
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the scientists of today and tomorrow
are going to need new tools --
are going to need new tools --
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tools just like the ones I described.
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And they will need chemistry.
That's the point.
That's the point.
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The beauty of science is that
once you develop these new tools,
once you develop these new tools,
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they're out there.
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They're out there forever,
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and anyone anywhere
can pick them up and use them,
can pick them up and use them,
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and help to deliver
on the promise of nanotechnology.
on the promise of nanotechnology.
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Thank you so much for your time.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
George Tulevski - Materials scientistIBM's George Tulevski wants to use carbon nanotubes to revolutionize microchip design.
Why you should listen
George Tulevski researches nanomaterials and develops new methods to utilize these materials in technologically relevant applications. He is currently a Research Staff Member at IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center.
Dr. Tulevski's current work includes advancements in carbon nanotubes that can be used in next-generation computer processors, flexible electronics and sensors. He has co-authored more than 50 peer-reviewed scientific publications and over 40 patents. In addition to his research, Tulevski teaches tomorrow’s nanoscientists at Columbia University, where he received his Ph.D.
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