TED2014
Edward Snowden: Here's how we take back the Internet
Edward Snowden: Ovako ćemo vratiti Internet
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Pojavivši se teleprisutnošću pomoću robota, Edward Snowden govori na TED2014 o nadziranju i slobodi Interneta. Pravo na privatnost podataka, tvrdi on, nije pitanje pristranosti, već zahtijeva duboko promišljanje o ulozi Interneta u našim životima - i zakonima koji to štite. "Vaša prava su bitna", smatra on, "jer nikada ne znate kada ćete ih trebati." Chris Anderson intervjuira, a poseban gost je Tim Berners-Lee.
Edward Snowden - Whistleblower
In 2013 Edward Snowden leaked thousands of classified American National Security Agency documents, sparking a global conversation about citizens' rights to privacy on the Internet. Full bio
In 2013 Edward Snowden leaked thousands of classified American National Security Agency documents, sparking a global conversation about citizens' rights to privacy on the Internet. Full bio
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Chris Anderson: The rights of citizens,
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Chris Anderson: Prava građana,
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the future of the Internet.
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budućnost Interneta.
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So I would like to welcome to the TED stage
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Rado bih na pozornicu TED-a pozvao
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the man behind those revelations,
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čovjeka koji stoji iza tih otkrića,
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Ed Snowden.
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Eda Snowdena.
00:25
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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Ed is in a remote location somewhere in Russia
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Ed je na udaljenoj lokaciji negdje u Rusiji
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controlling this bot from his laptop,
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i kontrolira ovog robota putem svoga laptopa,
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so he can see what the bot can see.
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tako da može vidjeti što vidi robot.
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Ed, welcome to the TED stage.
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Ed, dobrodošao na pozornicu TED-a.
00:42
What can you see, as a matter of fact?
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Što, zapravo, možeš vidjeti?
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Edward Snowden: Ha, I can see everyone.
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Edward Snowden: Ha, vidim sve.
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This is amazing.
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Ovo je nevjerojatno.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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CA: Ed, some questions for you.
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CA: Ed, imam neka pitanja za tebe.
00:56
You've been called many things
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Zvali su te svakakvim imenima
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in the last few months.
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zadnjih nekoliko mjeseci.
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You've been called a whistleblower, a traitor,
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Zvali su te zviždačem, izdajicom,
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a hero.
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junakom.
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What words would you describe yourself with?
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Kojim riječima bi se ti sam opisao?
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ES: You know, everybody who is involved
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ES: Svatko tko je uključen
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with this debate
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u ovu raspravu
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has been struggling over me and my personality
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ima problema sa mnom, mojom osobnošću
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and how to describe me.
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i s tim kako da me opiše.
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But when I think about it,
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No, kada razmislim o tome,
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this isn't the question that
we should be struggling with.
we should be struggling with.
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ne bismo se trebali time zamarati.
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Who I am really doesn't matter at all.
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Zaista nije važno tko sam ja.
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If I'm the worst person in the world,
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Da sam najgora osoba na svijetu,
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you can hate me and move on.
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možete me mrziti i nastaviti dalje.
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What really matters here are the issues.
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Ovdje su bitni problemi.
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What really matters here is the
kind of government we want,
kind of government we want,
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Bitno je kakvu vladu želimo,
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the kind of Internet we want,
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kakav Internet želimo,
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the kind of relationship between people
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kakve odnose među ljudima
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and societies.
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i društvima želimo.
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And that's what I'm hoping
the debate will move towards,
the debate will move towards,
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Nadam se da će se rasprava usmjeriti prema tome,
01:46
and we've seen that increasing over time.
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i vidjeli smo da se interes za to tijekom vremena povećao.
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If I had to describe myself,
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Da se trebam opisati,
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I wouldn't use words like "hero."
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ne bih koristio izraze poput "junak".
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I wouldn't use "patriot," and I wouldn't use "traitor."
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Ne bih rekao "domoljub" niti "izdajica".
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I'd say I'm an American and I'm a citizen,
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Rekao bih da sam Amerikanac i građanin,
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just like everyone else.
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poput svih ostalih.
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CA: So just to give some context
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CA: Samo da damo neki kontekst
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for those who don't know the whole story --
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onima koji nisu upoznati sa cijelom pričom --
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(Applause) —
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(Pljesak) —
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this time a year ago, you were stationed in Hawaii
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u ovo vrijeme prošle godine, bio si stacioniran na Havajima,
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working as a consultant to the NSA.
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radeći kao savjetnik za NSA.
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As a sysadmin, you had access
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Kao administrator sustava, imao si pristup
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to their systems,
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njihovim sustavima,
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and you began revealing
certain classified documents
certain classified documents
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i počeo si otkrivati određene tajne dokumente
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to some handpicked journalists
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nekim pomno odabranim novinarima
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leading the way to June's revelations.
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što je dovelo do otkrića u lipnju.
02:28
Now, what propelled you to do this?
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Što te je potaknulo da to napraviš?
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ES: You know,
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ES: Znaš,
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when I was sitting in Hawaii,
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dok sam sjedio na Havajima,
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and the years before, when I was
working in the intelligence community,
working in the intelligence community,
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i godinama prije toga, dok sam radio u obavještajnoj zajednici,
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I saw a lot of things that had disturbed me.
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vidio sam puno uznemirujućih stvari.
02:44
We do a lot of good things
in the intelligence community,
in the intelligence community,
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U obavještajnoj zajednici radimo mnogo dobrih stvari,
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things that need to be done,
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stvari koje trebaju biti učinjene,
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and things that help everyone.
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i koje pomažu svima.
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But there are also things that go too far.
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No postoje i stvari koje odlaze predaleko.
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There are things that shouldn't be done,
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Postoje stvari koje se ne bi smjele raditi,
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and decisions that were being made in secret
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i odluke koje su se donosile u tajnosti
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without the public's awareness,
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bez znanja javnosti,
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without the public's consent,
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bez pristanka javnosti,
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and without even our representatives in government
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i čak bez saznanja naših predstavnika u vladi
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having knowledge of these programs.
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o ovim programima.
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When I really came to struggle with these issues,
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Kada su me zaista počeli mučiti ti problemi,
03:13
I thought to myself,
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pitao sam se
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how can I do this in the most responsible way,
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kako to mogu raditi na najodgovorniji način,
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that maximizes the public benefit
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kojim ću maksimizirati javnu korist
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while minimizing the risks?
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i minimalizirati rizike.
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And out of all the solutions that I could come up with,
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I od svih rješenja kojih sam se sjetio,
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out of going to Congress,
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od toga da odem u Kongres,
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when there were no laws,
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kada nisu postojali zakoni,
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there were no legal protections
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nije postojala pravna zaštita
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for a private employee,
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za privatnog zaposlenika,
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a contractor in intelligence like myself,
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ugovornog djelatnika u obavještajnoj službi, poput mene,
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there was a risk that I would be
buried along with the information
buried along with the information
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postojala je opasnost da me se pokopa
zajedno s informacijama
zajedno s informacijama
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and the public would never find out.
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a javnost nikada ne bi saznala.
03:42
But the First Amendment of
the United States Constitution
the United States Constitution
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No, Prvi amandman Američkog ustava
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guarantees us a free press for a reason,
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jamči nam slobodu tiska s razlogom,
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and that's to enable an adversarial press,
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a to je da omogući kritično novinarstvo,
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to challenge the government,
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da vladi postavlja izazove,
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but also to work together with the government,
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ali i da surađuje s vladom,
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to have a dialogue and debate about how we can
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da vodi dijalog i raspravu o tome kako možemo
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inform the public about matters of vital importance
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informirati javnost o ključnim pitanjima
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without putting our national security at risk.
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bez da ugrožavamo nacionalnu sigurnost.
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And by working with journalists,
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No, surađujući s novinarima,
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by giving all of my information
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dajući sve svoje informacije
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back to the American people,
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Američkom narodu,
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rather than trusting myself to make
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umjesto da sebi povjeravam
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the decisions about publication,
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odluke o njihovom objavljivanju,
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we've had a robust debate
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vodio sam žestoku raspravu
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with a deep investment by the government
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s vladom koja se snažno angažirala,
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that I think has resulted in a benefit for everyone.
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i vjerujem da je rezultat toga bila korist za sve nas.
04:28
And the risks that have been threatened,
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Rizici koji su prijetili,
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the risks that have been played up
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rizici koje je naglašavala
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by the government
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vlada
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have never materialized.
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nikada se nisu ostvarili.
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We've never seen any evidence
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Nikada nismo vidjeli nikakve dokaze
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of even a single instance of specific harm,
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ni o jednom štetnom slučaju,
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and because of that,
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i zbog toga
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I'm comfortable with the decisions that I made.
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miran sam što sam donio takvu odluku.
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CA: So let me show the audience
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CA: Dopusti mi da pokažem publici
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a couple of examples of what you revealed.
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par primjera onoga što si razotkrio.
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If we could have a slide up, and Ed,
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Ako bismo mogli dobiti slajd, i Ed,
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I don't know whether you can see,
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ne znam možeš li vidjeti,
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the slides are here.
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slajdovi su ovdje.
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This is a slide of the PRISM program,
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Ovo je slajd o programu PRISM,
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and maybe you could tell the audience
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i možda bi mogao objasniti publici
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what that was that was revealed.
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što je to bilo otkriveno.
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ES: The best way to understand PRISM,
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ES: Najbolji način da shvatite PRISM,
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because there's been a little bit of controversy,
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budući da je bilo kontroverzi oko njega,
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is to first talk about what PRISM isn't.
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jest da kažem što PRISM nije.
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Much of the debate in the U.S.
has been about metadata.
has been about metadata.
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U Americi je bilo puno rasprave u vezi metapodataka.
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They've said it's just metadata, it's just metadata,
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Govorili su da su to "samo metapodatci, samo metapodatci",
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and they're talking about a specific legal authority
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i govore o određenoj pravnoj nadležnosti
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called Section 215 of the Patriot Act.
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zvanoj Sekcija 215 Patriotskog zakona.
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That allows sort of a warrantless wiretapping,
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On omogućuje prisluškivanje bez naloga,
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mass surveillance of the entire country's
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masovni nadzor telefonskih zapisnika
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phone records, things like that --
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cijele zemlje, takve stvari --
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who you're talking to,
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s kime razgovarate,
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when you're talking to them,
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kada razgovarate s njima,
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where you traveled.
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kamo ste putovali.
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These are all metadata events.
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To su sve primjeri metapodataka.
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PRISM is about content.
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PRISM je usredotočen na sadržaj.
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It's a program through which the government could
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To je program preko kojeg bi vlada mogla
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compel corporate America,
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prisiliti korporativnu Ameriku,
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it could deputize corporate America
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delegirati je
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to do its dirty work for the NSA.
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da radi njene prljave poslove za NSA.
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And even though some of
these companies did resist,
these companies did resist,
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I iako su se neke tvrtke suprotstavile tome,
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even though some of them --
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iako su neke od njih --
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I believe Yahoo was one of them —
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mislim da je jedna od njih Yahoo -
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challenged them in court, they all lost,
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tužile vladu na sudu, sve su izgubile spor,
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because it was never tried by an open court.
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jer se suđenje odvijalo na sudu zatvorenom za javnost.
06:03
They were only tried by a secret court.
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Odlučivao je jedino tajni sud.
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And something that we've seen,
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I nešto što smo vidjeli,
06:07
something about the PRISM program
that's very concerning to me is,
that's very concerning to me is,
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nešto u vezi programa PRISM
što je za mene jako zabrinjavajuće
što je za mene jako zabrinjavajuće
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there's been a talking point in the U.S. government
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jest to da je Američka vlada iznijela argument
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where they've said 15 federal judges
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tvrdeći da je 15 saveznih sudaca
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have reviewed these programs
and found them to be lawful,
and found them to be lawful,
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istražilo te programe i zaključilo da su zakoniti,
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but what they don't tell you
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no ono što vam ne govore
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is those are secret judges
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jest da su to tajni suci
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in a secret court
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na tajnom sudu
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based on secret interpretations of law
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temeljenom na tajnim tumačenjima zakona
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that's considered 34,000 warrant requests
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koji je odlučivao o 34.000 zahtjeva za ovlasti
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over 33 years,
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tijekom 33 godine,
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and in 33 years only rejected
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i u 33 godine odbio je
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11 government requests.
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samo 11 vladinih zahtjeva.
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These aren't the people that we want deciding
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Ne želimo da nam takvi ljudi odlučuju
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what the role of corporate America
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kakva bi trebala biti uloga korporativne Amerike
06:46
in a free and open Internet should be.
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na slobodnom i otvorenom Internetu.
06:48
CA: Now, this slide that we're showing here
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CA: Ovaj slajd koji pokazujemo
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shows the dates in which
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prikazuje datume kada su se
06:52
different technology companies, Internet companies,
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različite tehnološke i Internetske tvrtke
06:55
are alleged to have joined the program,
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navodno uključile u program,
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and where data collection began from them.
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i kako je od njh započelo prikupljanje podataka.
07:00
Now, they have denied collaborating with the NSA.
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One su zanijekale suradnju s NSA.
07:05
How was that data collected by the NSA?
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Kako je NSA prikupljao te podatke?
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ES: Right. So the NSA's own slides
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ES: Slajdovi koji pripadaju NSA
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refer to it as direct access.
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nazivaju to izravnim pristupom.
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What that means to an actual NSA analyst,
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Ono što to znači konkretnom analitičaru u NSA,
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someone like me who was working
as an intelligence analyst
as an intelligence analyst
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nekome poput mene, koji sam radio kao obavještajni analitičar
07:22
targeting, Chinese cyber-hackers,
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usmjeren na Kineske cyber hakere,
07:24
things like that, in Hawaii,
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i takve stvari, na Havajima,
07:26
is the provenance of that data
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jest da te podatke
07:28
is directly from their servers.
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dobiva izravno s njihovih servera.
07:31
It doesn't mean
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To ne znači
07:33
that there's a group of company representatives
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da postoji grupa predstavnika tvrtke
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sitting in a smoky room with the NSA
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koji sjede u zadimljenoj prostoriji s NSA
07:38
palling around and making back-room deals
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družeći se i ugovarajući zakulisne dogovore
07:40
about how they're going to give this stuff away.
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kako će predati te podatke.
07:42
Now each company handles it different ways.
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Svaka tvrtka to radi na drukčiji način.
07:45
Some are responsible.
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Neke su odgovorne.
07:46
Some are somewhat less responsible.
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Neke su nešto manje odgovorne.
07:48
But the bottom line is, when we talk about
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No zaključak jest taj da, kada govorimo o tome
07:50
how this information is given,
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kako se ove informacije daju,
07:53
it's coming from the companies themselves.
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da one dolaze od samih tvrtki.
07:56
It's not stolen from the lines.
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Nisu ukradene s linija.
07:58
But there's an important thing to remember here:
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No, ovdje treba upamtiti važnu činjenicu:
08:00
even though companies pushed back,
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iako su se tvrtke usprotivile,
08:02
even though companies demanded,
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iako su tvrtke zahtijevale
08:04
hey, let's do this through a warrant process,
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da se to čini kroz ovlašteni proces,
08:06
let's do this
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da se to čini
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where we actually have some sort of legal review,
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tako da imaju neki pravni nadzor,
08:11
some sort of basis for handing over
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nekakve temelje za davanje
08:13
these users' data,
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takvih korisničkih podataka,
08:15
we saw stories in the Washington Post last year
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čitali smo prošle godine priče u Washingt Postu,
08:17
that weren't as well reported as the PRISM story
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koje nisu bile toliko dobro iznesene kao reportaža o PRISM-u,
08:21
that said the NSA broke in
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koje su tvrdile kako je NSA upala u
08:23
to the data center communications
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komunikacije podatkovnog centra
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between Google to itself
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između sebe i Googla
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and Yahoo to itself.
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i između sebe i Yahooa.
08:29
So even these companies that are cooperating
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Tako da čak i te kompanije koje surađuju
08:32
in at least a compelled but hopefully lawful manner
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na prisilan, no nadajmo se i zakonit način
08:34
with the NSA,
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s NSA,
08:36
the NSA isn't satisfied with that,
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NSA nije time zadovoljna,
08:40
and because of that, we need our companies
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i zbog toga, naše tvrtke trebaju
08:42
to work very hard
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raditi puno na tome
08:44
to guarantee that they're going to represent
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da mogu jamčiti kako će predstavljati
08:47
the interests of the user, and also advocate
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interese korisnika i da će se boriti
08:49
for the rights of the users.
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za njihova prava.
08:51
And I think over the last year,
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Mislim da smo tijekom prošle godine
08:53
we've seen the companies that are named
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vidjeli kako tvrtke koje su navedene
08:54
on the PRISM slides
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na slajdovima PRISM-a
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take great strides to do that,
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brzo napreduju prema tome,
08:57
and I encourage them to continue.
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i ja ih potičem da tako tako nastave.
09:00
CA: What more should they do?
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CA: Što bi još te tvrtke trebale napraviti?
09:02
ES: The biggest thing that an Internet company
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ES: Najveća stvar koju neka Internetska tvrtka
09:06
in America can do today, right now,
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u Americi može napraviti danas, sad odmah,
09:09
without consulting with lawyers,
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bez da se savjetuju s odvjetnicima,
09:11
to protect the rights of users worldwide,
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kako bi zaštitili prava korisnika diljem svijeta,
09:14
is to enable SSL web encryption
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jest da omoguće SSL kriptografsku zaštitu mreže
09:19
on every page you visit.
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na svakoj stranici koju posjećujete.
09:22
The reason this matters is today,
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Razlog zašto je ovo bitno danas jest taj što,
09:24
if you go to look at a copy of "1984" on Amazon.com,
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ako pogledate primjerak knjige "1984" na Amazonu,
09:30
the NSA can see a record of that,
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NSA može vidjeti zapis o tome,
09:32
the Russian intelligence service
can see a record of that,
can see a record of that,
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Ruska obavještajna služba može vidjeti zapis o tome,
09:34
the Chinese service can see a record of that,
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Kineska služba može to vidjeti,
09:37
the French service, the German service,
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Francuska služba, Njemačka služba,
09:39
the services of Andorra.
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služba Andore.
09:40
They can all see it because it's unencrypted.
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Sve one mogu to vidjeti jer nije kriptogrsfski zaštićeno.
09:43
The world's library is Amazon.com,
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Amazon je svjetska knjižnica,
09:47
but not only do they not
support encryption by default,
support encryption by default,
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no ne samo da već standardno ne podržava enkripciju,
09:50
you cannot choose to use encryption
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već nemate ni opciju da birate korištenje enkripcije
09:52
when browsing through books.
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kada pregledavate knjige.
09:53
This is something that we need to change,
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To trebamo promijeniti,
09:55
not just for Amazon, I don't mean to single them out,
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ne samo za Amazon, ne želim ih izdvajati,
09:57
but they're a great example.
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no oni su odličan primjer.
09:59
All companies need to move
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Sve se tvrtke trebaju okrenuti
10:00
to an encrypted browsing habit by default
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standardnoj kriptografskoj zaštiti pregledavanja
10:04
for all users who haven't taken any action
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za sve korisnike koji nisu poduzeli nikakve mjere
10:06
or picked any special methods on their own.
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ili odabrali neku svoju posebnu metodu.
10:08
That'll increase the privacy and the rights
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To će povećati privatnost i prava
10:11
that people enjoy worldwide.
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za ljude diljem svijeta.
10:13
CA: Ed, come with me to this part of the stage.
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CA: Ed, pođi sa mnom na ovu stranu pozornice.
10:16
I want to show you the next slide here. (Applause)
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želim ti pokazati slijedeći slajd. (Pljesak)
10:19
This is a program called Boundless Informant.
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Ovo je program zvan Boundelss Informant (Bezgranični doušnik).
10:22
What is that?
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Što je to?
10:23
ES: So, I've got to give credit to the NSA
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ES: Moram pohvaliti NSA
10:25
for using appropriate names on this.
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što korisiti prikladne nazive za ovo.
10:28
This is one of my favorite NSA cryptonyms.
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Ovo mi je jedan od najdražih NSA-inih kriptonima.
10:32
Boundless Informant
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Bezgranični doušnik
10:33
is a program that the NSA hid from Congress.
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program je koji je NSA skrila od Kongresa.
10:36
The NSA was previously asked by Congress,
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Kongres je prethodno ispitao NSA
10:38
was there any ability that they had
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postoji li mogućnost da
10:41
to even give a rough ballpark estimate
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približno procijeni
10:44
of the amount of American communications
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količinu komunikacija u Americi
10:47
that were being intercepted.
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koju se presreće.
10:49
They said no. They said, we don't track those stats,
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Rekli su da ne mogu, da ne prate tu statistiku,
10:52
and we can't track those stats.
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i da je ne mogu pratiti.
10:53
We can't tell you how many communications
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Rekli su da ne mogu reći koliku količinu komunikacija
10:56
we're intercepting around the world,
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diljem svijeta presreću,
10:58
because to tell you that would be
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jer da im to kažu, to bi bilo
10:59
to invade your privacy.
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narušavanje naše privatnosti.
11:03
Now, I really appreciate that sentiment from them,
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Jako cijenim takav njihov stav,
11:05
but the reality, when you look at this slide is,
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no, ako pogledate ovaj slajd, vidite da u stvari
11:07
not only do they have the capability,
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ne samo da imaju mogućnost da to naprave,
11:09
the capability already exists.
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ta mogućnost već postoji.
11:11
It's already in place.
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Već je u pogonu.
11:13
The NSA has its own internal data format
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NSA ima unutarnji podatkovni format
11:16
that tracks both ends of a communication,
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koji prati oba kraja komunikacija,
11:20
and if it says,
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i ako taj format pokaže
11:22
this communication came from America,
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da neka komunikacija dolazi iz Amerike,
11:24
they can tell Congress how
many of those communications
many of those communications
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mogu reći Kongresu koliki broj tih komunikacija
11:26
they have today, right now.
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trenutno imaju.
11:28
And what Boundless Informant tells us
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Ono što nam Bezgranični doušnik govori
11:31
is more communications are being intercepted
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jest da se u Americi presreće
11:34
in America about Americans
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više komunikacija Amerikanaca
11:37
than there are in Russia about Russians.
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nego što se u Rusiji presreće komunikacija Rusa.
11:41
I'm not sure that's what an intelligence agency
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Nisam siguran da bi se jedna obavještajna služba
11:42
should be aiming for.
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trebala usmjeravati na takvo što.
11:45
CA: Ed, there was a story broken
in the Washington Post,
in the Washington Post,
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CA: Ed, u Washington Postu je bila objavljena priča,
11:47
again from your data.
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opet temeljena na tvojim podacima.
11:49
The headline says,
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Naslov je glasio,
11:51
"NSA broke privacy rules
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"NSA prekršila pravila privatnosti
11:52
thousands of times per year."
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nekoliko tisuća puta u godini dana."
11:54
Tell us about that.
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Pričaj nam o tome.
11:56
ES: We also heard in Congressional
testimony last year,
testimony last year,
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ES: Slušali smo prošle godine u kongresnom svjedočenju.
11:58
it was an amazing thing for someone like me
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Bilo je nevjerojatno za nekoga poput mene,
12:00
who came from the NSA
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tko dolazi iz NSA
12:02
and who's seen the actual internal documents,
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i tko je vidio konkretne interne dokumente,
12:04
knows what's in them,
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i zna što je u njima,
12:07
to see officials testifying under oath
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gledati službenike kako svjedoče pod prisegom
12:10
that there had been no abuses,
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kako nije bilo nikakvih zlouporaba položaja,
12:11
that there had been no violations of the NSA's rules,
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kako nije bilo kršenja NSA-inih pravila,
12:15
when we knew this story was coming.
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kada smo već znali da je ova priča u igri.
12:18
But what's especially interesting about this,
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No, ono što je ovdje posebno zanimljivo
12:20
about the fact that the NSA has violated
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jest činjenica da je NSA prekršila
12:22
their own rules, their own laws
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vlastita pravila, vlastite zakone
12:24
thousands of times in a single year,
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par tisuća puta u samo jednoj godini,
12:27
including one event by itself,
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uključujući jedan izdvojen slučaj,
12:30
one event out of those 2,776,
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jedan od njih 2776,
12:35
that affected more than 3,000 people.
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koji je imao utjecaja na preko 3000 ljudi.
12:37
In another event, they intercepted
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U jednom drugom slučaju, presreli su
12:39
all the calls in Washington, D.C., by accident.
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sve pozive iz Washingtona D.C.-a, slučajno.
12:43
What's amazing about this,
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Nevjerojatno je to
12:45
this report, that didn't get that much attention,
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da je ovo izvješće, koje nije privuklo puno pozornosti,
12:48
is the fact that not only were there 2,776 abuses,
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činjenica kako nije samo bilo 2776 slučaja zlouporabe,
12:53
the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
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već i to da predsjednica Komiteta Američkog Senata za obavještajne službe,
12:55
Dianne Feinstein, had not seen this report
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Dianne Feinstein, nije vidjela to izvješće
12:59
until the Washington Post contacted her
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dok je Washington Post nije kontaktirao
13:02
asking for comment on the report.
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tražeći njen komentar na to izvješće.
13:04
And she then requested a copy from the NSA
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Tada je od NSA zatražila primjerak izvješća
13:06
and received it,
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i dobila ga,
13:08
but had never seen this before that.
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no prethodno ga nije bila vidjela.
13:10
What does that say about the state of oversight
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Što nam to govori o propustima
13:13
in American intelligence
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u Američkim obavještajnim službama
13:14
when the chairman of the
Senate Intelligence Committee
Senate Intelligence Committee
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kada predsjednica Komiteta Američkog Senata za obavještajne službe
13:16
has no idea that the rules are being broken
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nema pojma da se pravila krše
13:19
thousands of times every year?
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nekoliko tisuća puta svake godine?
13:21
CA: Ed, one response to this whole debate is this:
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CA: Ed, jedan odgovor na cijelu ovu raspravu je ovaj:
13:25
Why should we care about
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Zašto da se brinemo oko
13:27
all this surveillance, honestly?
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svog tog nadzora?
13:29
I mean, look, if you've done nothing wrong,
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Ako nisi ništa loše napravio,
13:31
you've got nothing to worry about.
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nemaš se čega bojati.
13:34
What's wrong with that point of view?
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Što nedostaje takvom načinu gledanja?
13:36
ES: Well, so the first thing is,
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ES: Kao prvo,
13:38
you're giving up your rights.
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odričete se svojih prava.
13:39
You're saying hey, you know,
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Govorite kako
13:41
I don't think I'm going to need them,
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mislite da vam neće biti potrebna,
13:43
so I'm just going to trust that, you know,
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tako da ćete jednostavno vjerovati da
13:45
let's get rid of them, it doesn't really matter,
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ih se treba riješiti, da nisu bitna,
13:48
these guys are going to do the right thing.
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da će ti momci obaviti posao kako treba.
13:50
Your rights matter
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Vaša prava su bitna,
13:52
because you never know when
you're going to need them.
you're going to need them.
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jer nikada ne znate kada ćete ih trebati.
13:54
Beyond that, it's a part of our cultural identity,
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Više od toga, oni su dio našeg kulturnog identiteta,
13:57
not just in America,
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ne samo u Americi,
13:59
but in Western societies
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već u Zapadnim društvima,
14:00
and in democratic societies around the world.
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i u demokratskim društvima diljem svijeta.
14:03
People should be able to pick up the phone
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Ljudi bi trebali moći podići slušalicu
14:06
and to call their family,
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i nazvati svoje obitelji,
14:07
people should be able to send a text message
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ljudi bi trebali moći poslati sms poruku
14:09
to their loved ones,
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svojim voljenima,
14:10
people should be able to buy a book online,
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ljudi bi trebali moći kupiti knjigu putem Interneta,
14:13
they should be able to travel by train,
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trebali bi moći putovati vlakom,
14:15
they should be able to buy an airline ticket
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trebali bi moći kupiti avionsku kartu,
14:17
without wondering about how these events
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bez da se pitaju kako će te radnje
14:19
are going to look to an agent of the government,
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izgledati nekom vladinom agentu,
14:22
possibly not even your government
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koji čak vjerojatno pripada nekoj stranoj vladi,
14:25
years in the future,
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godinama kasnije,
14:27
how they're going to be misinterpreted
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kako će biti krivo protumačene
14:28
and what they're going to think your intentions were.
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i što će misliti koje su vam bile namjere.
14:31
We have a right to privacy.
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Mi imamo pravo na privatnost.
14:33
We require warrants to be based on probable cause
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Zahtijevamo da se nalozi temelje na vjerojatnoj sumnji
14:37
or some kind of individualized suspicion
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ili nekoj individualiziranoj sumnji
14:39
because we recognize that trusting anybody,
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jer shvaćamo da je povjeriti bilo kome,
14:44
any government authority,
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ijednom vladinom tijelu,
14:45
with the entirety of human communications
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cjelokupne komunikacije ljudi
14:49
in secret and without oversight
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u tajnosti i bez nadzora
14:51
is simply too great a temptation to be ignored.
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jednostavno preveliko iskušenje da bi ga se ignoriralo.
14:56
CA: Some people are furious at what you've done.
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CA: Neki ljudi su bijesni zbog toga što si učinio.
14:58
I heard a quote recently from Dick Cheney
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Nedavno sam čuo citat Dicka Cheneyja
15:01
who said that Julian Assange was a flea bite,
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koji je izjavio da je Julian Assange bio ugriz buhe,
15:07
Edward Snowden is the lion
that bit the head off the dog.
that bit the head off the dog.
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dok je Edward Snowden lav koji je psu odgrizao glavu.
15:11
He thinks you've committed
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Smatra da si počinio
15:12
one of the worst acts of betrayal
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jednu on najgorih izdaja
15:14
in American history.
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u Američkoj povijesti.
15:16
What would you say to people who think that?
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Što bi rekao ljudima koji tako razmišljaju?
15:23
ES: Dick Cheney's really something else.
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ES: Dick Cheney je zaista nešto posebno.
15:25
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(Smijeh) (Pljesak)
15:32
Thank you. (Laughter)
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Hvala. (Smijeh)
15:37
I think it's amazing, because at the time
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Smatram to zapanjujućim, budući da, u vrijeme kada je
15:40
Julian Assange was doing some of his greatest work,
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Julian Assange radio na jednom od svojih najvećih djela,
15:43
Dick Cheney was saying
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Dick Cheney je izjavljivao
15:45
he was going to end governments worldwide,
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da će to uništiti vlade diljem svijeta,
15:47
the skies were going to ignite
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da će se nebesa zapaliti
15:50
and the seas were going to boil off,
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i da će mora ispariti,
15:52
and now he's saying it's a flea bite.
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a sada govori da je to bio ugriz buhe.
15:54
So we should be suspicious about the same sort of
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Zato bismo trebali biti sumnjičavi oko takvih i sličnih
15:57
overblown claims of damage to national security
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napuhanih izjava ovakih dužnosnika
16:01
from these kind of officials.
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o šteti koja se nanosi nacionalnoj sigurnosti.
16:03
But let's assume that these
people really believe this.
people really believe this.
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No, pretpostavimo da ti ljudi zaista vjeruju u to.
16:10
I would argue that they have kind of
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Tvrdio bih da oni imaju
16:12
a narrow conception of national security.
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ograničenu predodžbu o nacionalnoj sigurnosti.
16:16
The prerogatives of people like Dick Cheney
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Povlastice ljudi poput Dicka Cheneyja
16:20
do not keep the nation safe.
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ne čine naciju sigurnom.
16:23
The public interest is not always the same
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Interes javnosti nije uvijek jednak
16:27
as the national interest.
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nacionalnom interesu.
16:29
Going to war with people who are not our enemy
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Ratovanje s ljudima koji nam nisu neprijatelji
16:33
in places that are not a threat
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na mjestima koja nisu prijetnja
16:35
doesn't make us safe,
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ne čine nas sigurnima,
16:37
and that applies whether it's in Iraq
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i to je tako, bilo da je riječ o Iraku
16:39
or on the Internet.
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ili o Internetu.
16:41
The Internet is not the enemy.
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Internet nije neprijatelj.
16:43
Our economy is not the enemy.
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Naše gospodarstvo nije neprijatelj.
16:45
American businesses, Chinese businesses,
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Američke tvrtke, Kineske tvrtke,
16:47
and any other company out there
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i bilo koje druge tvrtke
16:52
is a part of our society.
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dio su našeg društva.
16:54
It's a part of our interconnected world.
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Dio su našeg međusobno povezanog svijeta.
16:56
There are ties of fraternity that bond us together,
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Vežu nas bratske spone,
17:01
and if we destroy these bonds
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a ako uništimo te spone
17:03
by undermining the standards, the security,
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potkopavanjem standarda, sigurnosti,
17:06
the manner of behavior,
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načina ponašanja,
17:09
that nations and citizens all around the world
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koje nacije i građani diljem svijeta
17:12
expect us to abide by.
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očekuju da ih poštujemo.
17:15
CA: But it's alleged that you've stolen
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CA: No, smatra se da si ukrao
17:18
1.7 million documents.
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1,7 milijuna dokumenata.
17:20
It seems only a few hundred of them
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Čini se da je tek nekoliko stotina njih
17:22
have been shared with journalists so far.
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dosad podijeljeno s novinarima.
17:25
Are there more revelations to come?
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Slijedi li još otkrića?
17:28
ES: There are absolutely more revelations to come.
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ES: Definitivno slijedi još otkrića.
17:30
I don't think there's any question
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Nije uopće upitno
17:33
that some of the most important reporting
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da neke od najznačajnijih objava
17:37
to be done is yet to come.
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tek slijede.
17:42
CA: Come here, because I want to ask you
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CA: Priđi ovdje, htio bih te pitati
17:44
about this particular revelation.
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nešto o ovom konkretnom otkriću.
17:46
Come and take a look at this.
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Pogledaj ovo.
17:49
I mean, this is a story which I think
for a lot of the techies in this room
for a lot of the techies in this room
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Mislim da je ovo priča koja je za mnoge informatičare ovdje
17:52
is the single most shocking thing
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najšokantnija stvar
17:54
that they have heard in the last few months.
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koju su čuli u posljednjih nekoliko mjeseci.
17:56
It's about a program called "Bullrun."
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Radi se o programu "Bullrun".
17:59
Can you explain what that is?
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Možeš li objasniti o čemu je riječ?
18:03
ES: So Bullrun, and this is again
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ES: Ovdje također
18:04
where we've got to thank the NSA for their candor,
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trebamo zahvaliti NSA na iskrenosti.
18:11
this is a program named after a Civil War battle.
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Bullrun je program nazvan prema jednoj bitci u Američkom građanskom ratu.
18:16
The British counterpart is called Edgehill,
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Britanska verzija se zove Edgehill,
18:18
which is a U.K. civil war battle.
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prema bitci u engleskom građanskom ratu.
18:19
And the reason that I believe they're named this way
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Vjerujem da su tako nazvani
18:21
is because they target our own infrastructure.
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jer ciljaju na našu vlastitu infrastrukturu.
18:25
They're programs through which the NSA
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To su programi pomoću kojih NSA
18:27
intentionally misleads corporate partners.
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hotimično vara korporativne partnere.
18:32
They tell corporate partners that these
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Govore korporativnim partnerima da su ovo
18:34
are safe standards.
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sigurni standardi.
18:35
They say hey, we need to work with you
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Govore im da trebaju poslovati s njima
18:37
to secure your systems,
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kako bi zaštitili njihove programe,
18:41
but in reality, they're giving bad advice
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no zapravo, daju loše savjete
18:44
to these companies that makes them
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tim tvrtkama koje posljedično
18:45
degrade the security of their services.
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smanjuju sigurnost svojih usluga.
18:48
They're building in backdoors that not only
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Ugrađuju tajne pristupe svojim uslugama koje ne samo da
18:50
the NSA can exploit,
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NSA može iskorištavati,
18:52
but anyone else who has time and money
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već i svatko tko ima vremena i novaca
18:55
to research and find it
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da ih istraži i pronađe
18:57
can then use to let themselves in
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može ih iskoristiti da upadne u
18:59
to the world's communications.
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sve komunikacije na svijetu.
19:01
And this is really dangerous,
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To je zaista opasno,
19:03
because if we lose a single standard,
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jer ako izgubimo jedan jedini standard,
19:07
if we lose the trust of something like SSL,
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ako izgubimo povjerenje u nešto poput SSL-a,
19:10
which was specifically targeted
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na kojega je posebno ciljao
19:11
by the Bullrun program,
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program Bullrun,
19:14
we will live a less safe world overall.
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svi ćemo živjet u manje sigurnom svijetu.
19:16
We won't be able to access our banks
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Nećemo moći pristupiti našim bankama
19:18
and we won't be able to access commerce
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niti trgovini
19:24
without worrying about people
monitoring those communications
monitoring those communications
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bez straha da netko prati našu komunikaciju
19:26
or subverting them for their own ends.
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ili ih potkopava iz vlastite koristi.
19:29
CA: And do those same decisions also potentially
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CA: Izlažu li te iste odluke
19:33
open America up to cyberattacks
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Ameriku cyber napadima
19:36
from other sources?
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iz drugih izvora?
19:40
ES: Absolutely.
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ES: Apsolutno.
19:41
One of the problems,
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Jedan od problema,
19:43
one of the dangerous legacies
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jedna od opasnih ostavština
19:46
that we've seen in the post-9/11 era,
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koje smo vidjeli nakon napada 11. rujna,
19:50
is that the NSA has traditionally worn two hats.
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jest da je NSA tradicionalno imala dva zadatka.
19:54
They've been in charge of offensive operations,
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Upravljala je ofenzivnim operacijama,
19:56
that is hacking,
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poput hakiranja,
19:57
but they've also been in
charge of defensive operations,
charge of defensive operations,
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no upravljala je i obrambenim operacijama,
20:00
and traditionally they've always prioritized
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i tradicionalno je uvijek davala prioritet
20:02
defense over offense
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obrani umjesto napadu
20:03
based on the principle
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bazirajući se po principu
20:05
that American secrets are simply worth more.
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da su Američke tajne vrednije od tuđih.
20:08
If we hack a Chinese business
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Ako hakiramo Kinesko poslovanje
20:10
and steal their secrets,
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i ukrademo njihove tajne,
20:11
if we hack a government office in Berlin
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ako hakiramo ured u Berlinu
20:14
and steal their secrets,
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i ukrademo njihove tajne,
20:16
that has less value to the American people
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to za Amerikance vrijedi manje
20:19
than making sure that the Chinese
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od toga da se osiguramo da Kinezi
20:21
can't get access to our secrets.
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neće moći doći do naših tajni.
20:24
So by reducing the security of our communications,
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Smanjivanjem zaštite naših komunikacija,
20:28
they're not only putting the world at risk,
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ne samo da ugrožavaju svijet,
20:30
they're putting America at risk in a fundamental way,
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već ugrožavaju i Ameriku na fundamentalan način,
20:32
because intellectual property is the basis,
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budući da je intelektualno vlasništvo osnova,
20:35
the foundation of our economy,
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temelj naše ekonomije,
20:37
and if we put that at risk through weak security,
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i ako to ugrozimo slabom zaštitom,
20:39
we're going to be paying for it for years.
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ispaštat ćemo za to godinama.
20:41
CA: But they've made a calculation
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CA: No procijenili su
20:42
that it was worth doing this
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da je vrijedilo to učiniti
20:44
as part of America's defense against terrorism.
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kao jedan od načina obrane Amerike od terorizma.
20:48
Surely that makes it a price worth paying.
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Sigurno da je to cijena koju vrijedi platiti.
20:52
ES: Well, when you look at the results
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ES: Kada pogledate rezultate
20:56
of these programs in stopping terrorism,
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tih programa u sprečavanju terorizma,
20:58
you will see that that's unfounded,
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vidjet ćete da je to neutemeljeno,
21:02
and you don't have to take my word for it,
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i ne morate mi vjerovati,
21:04
because we've had the first open court,
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budući da smo imali prvo otvoreno suđenje.
21:07
the first federal court that's reviewed this,
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Prvi federalni sud koji je ovo preispitao,
21:10
outside the secrecy arrangement,
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bez tajnih postupaka,
21:12
called these programs Orwellian
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nazvao je ove programe "orwellskim"
21:14
and likely unconstitutional.
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i jamačno neustavnim.
21:17
Congress, who has access
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Kongres, koji ima pravo
21:19
to be briefed on these things,
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dobivati izvješća o ovakvim stvarima,
21:21
and now has the desire to be,
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i koji sada želi čuti izvješća,
21:24
has produced bills to reform it,
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donio je zakone o njihovom uređivanju,
21:26
and two independent White House panels
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a dva nezavisna vijeća Bijele Kuće
21:29
who reviewed all of the classified evidence
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koja su pregledala sve tajne dokaze
21:31
said these programs have never stopped
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ustvrdila su kako ti programi nikada nisu zaustavili
21:34
a single terrorist attack
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niti jedan teroristički napad
21:35
that was imminent in the United States.
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koji je prijetio SAD-u.
21:39
So is it really terrorism that we're stopping?
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Radili se ovdje, stoga, zaista o sprečavanju terorizma?
21:42
Do these programs have any value at all?
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Imaju li ovi programi ikakvu vrijednost?
21:44
I say no, and all three branches
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Tvrdim da nemaju, i sve tri grane
21:47
of the American government say no as well.
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Američke vlade tvrde isto to.
21:49
CA: I mean, do you think there's a deeper motivation
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CA: Vjeruješ li da postoji neki dublji razlog
21:51
for them than the war against terrorism?
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od borbe protiv terorizma?
21:54
ES: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, say again?
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ES: Oprosti, nisam te čuo, možeš li ponoviti?
21:56
CA: Sorry. Do you think there's a deeper motivation
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CA: Oprosti. Vjeruješ li da postoji neki dublji razlog
21:59
for them other than the war against terrorism?
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za njih od borbe protiv terorizma?
22:03
ES: Yeah. The bottom line is that terrorism
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ES: Da. Sve se svodi na to da je terorizam
22:05
has always been what we in the intelligence world
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oduvijek bio ono što mi u obavještajnom svijetu
22:08
would call a cover for action.
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zovemo pokriće za djelovanje.
22:11
Terrorism is something that provokes
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Terorizam je nešto što izaziva
22:13
an emotional response that allows people
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emocionalni odgovor koji omogućuje ljudima
22:15
to rationalize authorizing powers and programs
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da racionaliziraju ovlaštene autoritete i programe
22:19
that they wouldn't give otherwise.
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što u protivnom ne bi činili.
22:22
The Bullrun and Edgehill-type programs,
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Programi poput Bullruna i Edgehilla,
22:24
the NSA asked for these authorities
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NSA je tražila takve ovlasti
22:26
back in the 1990s.
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još u 1990-ima.
22:28
They asked the FBI to go to
Congress and make the case.
Congress and make the case.
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Tražili su od FBI-a da ode u Kongres i lobira za njih.
22:31
The FBI went to Congress and did make the case.
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FBI je otišao u Kongres i doista lobirao.
22:33
But Congress and the American people said no.
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Međutim, Kongres i Američki narod rekli su "ne".
22:36
They said, it's not worth the risk to our economy.
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Rekli su da ne vrijedi riskirati našu ekonomiju.
22:38
They said it's worth too much damage
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Rekli su da prijeti prevelika šteta
22:40
to our society to justify the gains.
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za društvo da bi mogli opravdati korist.
22:43
But what we saw is, in the post-9/11 era,
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No, u eri nakon 11. rujna, vidjeli smo
22:47
they used secrecy and they
used the justification of terrorism
used the justification of terrorism
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da su se koristili tajnama i da su koristili terorizam kao opravdanje
22:50
to start these programs in secret
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za pokretanje ovih programa u tajnosti
22:52
without asking Congress,
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bez da su pitali Kongres za dozvolu,
22:54
without asking the American people,
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bez da su pitali Američki narod,
22:56
and it's that kind of government behind closed doors
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i to je takva vrsta vlade iza zatvorenih vrata
22:59
that we need to guard ourselves against,
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protiv koje se trebamo zaštititi,
23:01
because it makes us less safe,
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jer nas čini manje sigurnima,
23:03
and it offers no value.
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i ne nudi nikakve vrijednosti.
23:05
CA: Okay, come with me here for a sec,
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CA: U redu. Pođi sa mnom ovamo na tren,
23:06
because I've got a more personal question for you.
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imam jedno malo privatnije pitanje za tebe.
23:09
Speaking of terror,
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Kada govorimo o strahu,
23:12
most people would find the
situation you're in right now
situation you're in right now
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većina ljudi bi smatrala situaciju u kojoj se ti sada nalaziš
23:16
in Russia pretty terrifying.
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u Rusiji jako zastrašujućom.
23:19
You obviously heard what happened,
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Očigledno si čuo što se dogodilo,
23:22
what the treatment that Bradley Manning got,
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kakav je tretman prošao Bradley Manning,
23:25
Chelsea Manning as now is,
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to jest sada Chelsea Manning,
23:27
and there was a story in Buzzfeed saying that
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a u Buzzfeedu je bila priča o tome kako
23:29
there are people in the intelligence community
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ima nekih ljudi u obavještajnim vodama
23:31
who want you dead.
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koji ti žele smrt.
23:33
How are you coping with this?
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Kako se nosiš s time?
23:35
How are you coping with the fear?
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Kako se nosiš sa strahom?
23:37
ES: It's no mystery
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ES: Nije nikakva tajna
23:40
that there are governments out
there that want to see me dead.
there that want to see me dead.
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da postoje vlade koje me žele mrtvog.
23:46
I've made clear again and again and again
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Opetovano sam se izjašnjavao
23:49
that I go to sleep every morning
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kako idem spavati svako jutro
23:53
thinking about what I can
do for the American people.
do for the American people.
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razmišljajući što mogu učiniti za američki narod.
23:57
I don't want to harm my government.
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Ne želim nauditi svojoj vladi.
24:00
I want to help my government,
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Želim joj pomoći,
24:03
but the fact that they are willing to
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ali činjenica da su spremni
24:07
completely ignore due process,
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potpuno ignorirati sudski proces,
24:10
they're willing to declare guilt
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da su spremni nekoga proglasiti krivim
24:12
without ever seeing a trial,
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bez ikakvog suđenja,
24:16
these are things that we need to work against
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to su svari protiv kojih se trebamo boriti
24:18
as a society, and say hey, this is not appropriate.
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kao društvo i reći da to nije prikladno.
24:22
We shouldn't be threatening dissidents.
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Ne bismo smjeli prijetiti disidentima.
24:23
We shouldn't be criminalizing journalism.
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Ne bismo smjeli kriminalizirati novinarstvo.
24:26
And whatever part I can do to see that end,
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I koju god da ulogu mogu odigrati da se to okonča
24:30
I'm happy to do despite the risks.
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rado ću je odigrati usprkos rizicima.
24:33
CA: So I'd actually like to get some feedback
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CA: Htio bih dobiti povratnu informaciju
24:34
from the audience here,
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od publike ovdje,
24:36
because I know there's widely differing reactions
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jer znam da ima vrlo različitih reakcija
24:38
to Edward Snowden.
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na Edwarda Snowdena.
24:40
Suppose you had the following two choices, right?
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Pretpostavite da imate ove dvije opcije.
24:42
You could view what he did
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Možete smatrati da je ono što je napravio
24:45
as fundamentally a reckless act
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potpuno nepromišljeno djelovanje
24:47
that has endangered America
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koje je ugrozilo Ameriku
24:50
or you could view it as fundamentally a heroic act
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ili možete to promatrati kao definitivno junačko djelo
24:53
that will work towards America and the world's
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koje će doprinijeti dugoročnom boljitku
24:57
long-term good?
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Amerike i svijeta.
24:58
Those are the two choices I'll give you.
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Dajem vam te dvije opcije.
25:02
I'm curious to see who's willing to vote with
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Zanima me tko će se opredijeliti
25:04
the first of those,
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za prvu opciju,
25:05
that this was a reckless act?
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da je to nepromišljeno djelo.
25:09
There are some hands going up.
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Ima nekoliko podignutih ruku.
25:10
Some hands going up.
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Nekoliko ruku je gore.
25:12
It's hard to put your hand up
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Teško je dići ruku
25:13
when the man is standing right here,
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dok Edward ovdje stoji,
25:15
but I see them.
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no vidim ih.
25:17
ES: I can see you. (Laughter)
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ES: Vidim vas. (Smijeh)
25:19
CA: And who goes with the second choice,
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CA: A tko se opredjeljuje za drugu opciju,
25:21
the fundamentally heroic act?
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definitivno junačko djelo?
25:23
(Applause) (Cheers)
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(Pljesak) (Navijanje)
25:26
And I think it's true to say that
there are a lot of people
there are a lot of people
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Mislim da sam u pravu kada kažem da ima puno ljudi
25:29
who didn't show a hand and I think
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koji nisu digli ruku i vjerujem
25:31
are still thinking this through,
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da još uvijek promišljaju o ovome,
25:32
because it seems to me that the debate around you
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jer mi se čini da se rasprava o tebi
25:36
doesn't split along traditional political lines.
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ne dijeli prema tradicionalnim političkim linijama.
25:39
It's not left or right, it's not really about
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Nije ni lijevo ni desno, ne radi se o
25:41
pro-government, libertarian, or not just that.
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pro-vladinoj struji, libertarijanizmu, i ne samo tome.
25:45
Part of it is almost a generational issue.
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Djelomično je skoro riječ o generacijskom problemu.
25:48
You're part of a generation that grew up
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Pripadaš generaciji koja je odrasla
25:50
with the Internet, and it seems as if
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uz Internet, i čini se kao da
25:53
you become offended at almost a visceral level
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se ljudi nađu duboko uvrijeđeni
25:56
when you see something done
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kada vide da se radi nešto
25:57
that you think will harm the Internet.
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što smatraju štetnim za Internet.
25:59
Is there some truth to that?
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Ima li u tome istine?
26:03
ES: It is. I think it's very true.
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ES: Ima. Mislim da je to potpuno točno.
26:08
This is not a left or right issue.
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Ovdje se ne radi o problemu ljevice i desnice.
26:11
Our basic freedoms, and when I say our,
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Naše osnovne slobode, i kada kažem naše,
26:14
I don't just mean Americans,
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ne mislim samo na Amerikance,
26:15
I mean people around the world,
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2013
mislim na ljude diljem svijeta,
26:17
it's not a partisan issue.
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nisu pitanje pristranosti.
26:20
These are things that all people believe,
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Ovo su stvari u koje svi ljudi vjeruju,
26:22
and it's up to all of us to protect them,
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i na svima je nama da ih zaštitimo,
26:24
and to people who have seen and enjoyed
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i na ljudima koji su vidjeli i uživali
26:27
a free and open Internet,
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u slobodnom i otvorenom Internetu,
26:29
it's up to us to preserve that liberty
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na nama je da očuvamo tu slobodu
26:32
for the next generation to enjoy,
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1905
za sljedeću generaciju,
26:34
and if we don't change things,
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1865
i ako to ne promijenimo,
26:36
if we don't stand up to make the changes
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3133
ako se ne zauzmemo za promjene
26:39
we need to do to keep the Internet safe,
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koje su potrebne da bi se očuvao siguran Internet,
26:42
not just for us but for everyone,
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ne samo za nas, već za sve,
26:45
we're going to lose that,
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1465
izgubit ćemo ga,
26:46
and that would be a tremendous loss,
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1253
a to bi bio izniman gubitak,
26:47
not just for us, but for the world.
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ne samo za nas, nego i za cijeli svijet.
26:50
CA: Well, I have heard similar language recently
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CA: Nedavno sam čuo nešto slično
26:52
from the founder of the world wide web,
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od osnivača World Wide Weba,
26:54
who I actually think is with us, Sir Tim Berners-Lee.
619
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mislim da je ovdje s nama, Sir Tim Berners-Lee.
26:58
Tim, actually, would you like to come up and say,
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Time, bi li se popeo ovdje i rekao,
27:01
do we have a microphone for Tim?
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imamo li mikrofon za Tima?
27:03
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
27:05
Tim, good to see you. Come up there.
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Drago mi je da te vidim, Time. Dođi gore.
27:12
Which camp are you in, by the way,
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Inače, na kojoj si ti strani?
27:15
traitor, hero? I have a theory on this, but --
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Izdajnik, junak? Imam neku teoriju o tome, no --
27:18
Tim Berners-Lee: I've given much longer
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Tim Berners-Lee: Davao sam puno dulje
27:21
answers to that question, but hero,
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3055
odgovore na to pitanje, no - junak,
27:24
if I have to make the choice between the two.
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ako trebam birati između te dvije opcije.
27:27
CA: And Ed, I think you've read
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CA: Ed, vjerujem da si pročitao
27:31
the proposal that Sir Tim has talked about
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prijedlog o kojem je Sir Tim govorio,
27:33
about a new Magna Carta to take back the Internet.
631
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o novoj Magni Carti kako bi preuzeli Internet.
27:36
Is that something that makes sense?
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2102
Ima li to smisla?
27:38
ES: Absolutely. I mean, my generation, I grew up
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ES: Apsolutno. Moja generacija, ja sam odrastao
27:41
not just thinking about the Internet,
634
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2059
ne samo razmišljajući o Internetu
27:44
but I grew up in the Internet,
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2364
već sam odrastao u Internetu,
27:46
and although I never expected to have the chance
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4660
i iako nikada nisam očekivao da ću imati priliku
27:51
to defend it in such a direct and practical manner
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5547
braniti ga na tako izravan i praktičan način
27:56
and to embody it in this unusual,
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i utjeloviti ga na ovaj neobičan,
28:00
almost avatar manner,
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2129
skoro avatarski način,
28:02
I think there's something poetic about the fact that
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2706
mislim da je pomalo poetična činjenica da
28:05
one of the sons of the Internet
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1982
jedan je od sinova Interneta
28:07
has actually become close to the Internet
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3052
postao blizak Internetu
28:10
as a result of their political expression.
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kao posljedica svojeg političkog izjašnjavanja.
28:12
And I believe that a Magna Carta for the Internet
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Smatram da je Magna Carta za Internet
28:16
is exactly what we need.
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upravo ono što nam je potrebno.
28:18
We need to encode our values
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Moramo šifrirati naše vrijednosti
28:21
not just in writing but in the structure of the Internet,
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ne samo u pismenom obliku već i u strukturi Interneta,
28:25
and it's something that I hope,
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2240
i tome se nadam,
28:27
I invite everyone in the audience,
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2523
pozivam sve u publici,
28:30
not just here in Vancouver but around the world,
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3250
ne samo ovdje u Vancouveru već diljem svijeta,
28:33
to join and participate in.
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da se pridruže i sudjeluju.
28:35
CA: Do you have a question for Ed?
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CA: Imaš li pitanje za Eda?
28:37
TBL: Well, two questions,
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2030
TBL: Imam dva pitanja,
28:40
a general question —
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općenito pitanje —
28:41
CA: Ed, can you still hear us?
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CA: Ed, čuješ li nas još uvijek?
28:42
ES: Yes, I can hear you.
CA: Oh, he's back.
CA: Oh, he's back.
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ES: Da, čujem vas.
CA: Evo ga natrag.
CA: Evo ga natrag.
28:46
TBL: The wiretap on your line
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TBL: Uređaj za prisluškivanje na tvojoj liniji
28:48
got a little interfered with for a moment.
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malo se upleo na tren.
28:49
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
28:51
ES: It's a little bit of an NSA problem.
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ES: To je problem za NSA.
28:53
TBL: So, from the 25 years,
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TBL: Znači, nakon 25 godina,
28:57
stepping back and thinking,
662
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2937
kad se odmakneš i promisliš,
29:00
what would you think would be
663
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1746
što misliš da je najbolje
29:02
the best that we could achieve
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2607
što bismo mogli postići
29:04
from all the discussions that we have
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1860
od svih rasprava koje vodimo
29:06
about the web we want?
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o mreži kakvu bismo željeli?
29:09
ES: When we think about
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ES: Kada razmišljamo o tome
29:13
in terms of how far we can go,
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3113
koliko daleko možemo ići,
29:16
I think that's a question that's really only limited
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2153
mislim da je to pitanje koje je jedino ograničeno
29:18
by what we're willing to put into it.
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2537
onime što smo spremni uložiti.
29:20
I think the Internet that we've enjoyed in the past
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Mislim da je Internet koji smo koristili u prošlosti
29:23
has been exactly what we as not just a nation
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5558
bio upravo ono što mi, ne samo kao nacija
29:29
but as a people around the world need,
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3339
već kao ljudi na cijelom svijetu trebamo,
29:32
and by cooperating, by engaging not just
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4226
i kroz suradnju, uključivanje ne samo
29:36
the technical parts of society,
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1404
tehničkog dijela društva,
29:38
but as you said, the users,
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2842
već kao što si rekao, korisnika,
29:41
the people around the world who contribute
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2064
ljudi diljem svijeta koji doprinose
29:43
through the Internet, through social media,
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2442
putem Interneta, društvenih mreža,
29:45
who just check the weather,
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1727
koji samo provjeravaju vremensku prognozu,
29:47
who rely on it every day as a part of their life,
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2553
koji se svaki dan pouzdaju u to kao dio svog života,
29:49
to champion that.
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2940
da to brane.
29:52
We'll get not just the Internet we've had,
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2537
Ne samo da ćemo dobiti Internet kakav smo imali,
29:55
but a better Internet, a better now,
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2949
nego još bolji Internet, bolju sadašnjost,
29:58
something that we can use to build a future
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4043
nešto čime možemo izgraditi bolju budućnost
30:02
that'll be better not just than what we hoped for
685
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2968
koja će biti bolja ne samo od onoga čemu smo se nadali
30:05
but anything that we could have imagined.
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2385
nego od bilo čega što smo mogli zamisliti.
30:07
CA: It's 30 years ago that TED was founded, 1984.
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CA: Prošlo je 30 godina od osnivanja TED- a, 1984.
30:13
A lot of the conversation since then has been
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2005
Otada je bio mnogo rasprava
30:15
along the lines that
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2054
o tome kako je
30:17
actually George Orwell got it wrong.
690
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1903
George Orwell zapravo bio u krivu.
30:19
It's not Big Brother watching us.
691
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1719
Ne promatra nas Veliki Brat.
30:20
We, through the power of the web,
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1614
Mi, putem mreže,
30:22
and transparency, are now watching Big Brother.
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2364
i transparentnosti, sada promatramo Velikog Brata.
30:24
Your revelations kind of drove a stake
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2261
Tvoja otkrića su na neki način
30:27
through the heart of that rather optimistic view,
695
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3747
uništila taj dosta optimističan stav,
30:30
but you still believe there's a way of doing something
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no još uvijek vjeruješ da se može nešto učiniti
30:34
about that.
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oko toga.
30:36
And you do too.
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Kao i ti.
30:37
ES: Right, so there is an argument to be made
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ES: Treba dokazati
30:44
that the powers of Big Brother
have increased enormously.
have increased enormously.
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da su se ovlasti Velikog Brata iznimno povećale.
30:47
There was a recent legal article at Yale
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4329
Nedavno je objavljen pravni članak na sveučilištu Yale
30:52
that established something called
the Bankston-Soltani Principle,
the Bankston-Soltani Principle,
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3731
koji je ustanovio nešto što se zove Bankston-Soltani princip,
30:55
which is that our expectation of privacy is violated
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5229
a to je da je naše očekivanje privatnosti bilo narušeno
31:00
when the capabilities of government surveillance
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1869
kada su sposobnosti vladinog nadzora
31:02
have become cheaper by an order of magnitude,
705
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3195
postale jeftinije prema redu veličine,
31:06
and each time that occurs, we need to revisit
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2722
i svaki put kada se to dogodi, trebamo ponovo razmotriti
31:08
and rebalance our privacy rights.
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3053
i preustrojiti naša prava na privatnost.
31:11
Now, that hasn't happened since
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1990
To se nije dogodilo otkad
31:13
the government's surveillance powers
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2098
su ovlasti vladinog nadzora
31:15
have increased by several orders of magnitude,
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2780
porasle nekoliko redova veličine,
31:18
and that's why we're in the
problem that we're in today,
problem that we're in today,
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2974
i zato danas imamo problem,
31:21
but there is still hope,
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3812
no još uvijek ima nade,
31:25
because the power of individuals
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2136
jer je moć pojedinaca
31:27
have also been increased by technology.
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2607
također porasla pomoću tehnologije.
31:30
I am living proof
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2001
Ja sam živi dokaz
31:32
that an individual can go head to head
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2162
kako se pojedinac može suprotstaviti
31:34
against the most powerful adversaries
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2318
najmoćnijim protivnicima
31:36
and the most powerful intelligence agencies
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2321
i najmoćnijim službama za nadziranje
31:39
around the world and win,
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diljem svijeta i pobijediti,
31:42
and I think that's something
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1660
i mislim da je to nešto
31:44
that we need to take hope from,
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iz čega trebamo crpiti nadu,
31:46
and we need to build on
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1177
i poći od toga
31:48
to make it accessible not just to technical experts
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i učiniti to dostupnim ne samo informatičkim stručnjacima
31:50
but to ordinary citizens around the world.
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već i običnim građanima svijeta.
31:52
Journalism is not a crime,
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Novinarstvo nije zločin,
31:54
communication is not a crime,
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komunikacija nije zločin,
31:56
and we should not be monitored
in our everyday activities.
in our everyday activities.
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i ne bi nas smjeli nadzirati u našim svakodnevnim aktivnostima.
31:59
CA: I'm not quite sure how
you shake the hand of a bot,
you shake the hand of a bot,
728
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CA: Ne znam kako se rukovati s robotom,
32:02
but I imagine it's, this is the hand right here.
TBL: That'll come very soon.
TBL: That'll come very soon.
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5890
no mislim da je ovo desna ruka.
TBL: To će ubrzo doći.
TBL: To će ubrzo doći.
32:08
ES: Nice to meet you,
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1123
ES: Bilo mi je drago upoznati Vas,
32:09
and I hope my beam looks as nice
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i nadam se da je moja slika jednako dobra
32:11
as my view of you guys does.
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kao što je meni vaša.
32:13
CA: Thank you, Tim.
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CA: Hvala ti, Time.
32:16
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
32:21
I mean, The New York Times
recently called for an amnesty for you.
recently called for an amnesty for you.
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The New York Times je nedavno zatražio tvoje pomilovanje.
32:26
Would you welcome the chance
to come back to America?
to come back to America?
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Bi li rado prihvatio mogućnost povratka u Ameriku?
32:30
ES: Absolutely. There's really no question,
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ES: Apsolutno. To uopće nije pitanje,
32:34
the principles that have been the foundation
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principi na kojima se temeljio
32:36
of this project
739
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2393
ovaj projekt
32:39
have been the public interest
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4080
bili su interesi javnosti
32:43
and the principles that underly
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2943
i principi koji su temelj
32:46
the journalistic establishment in the United States
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3276
novinarstva u SAD-u
32:49
and around the world,
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i diljem svijeta,
32:51
and I think if the press is now saying,
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i smatram da, ako mediji govore
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we support this,
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da to podupiru,
32:58
this is something that needed to happen,
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da se to mora dogoditi,
33:00
that's a powerful argument,
but it's not the final argument,
but it's not the final argument,
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to je onda moćan argument,
no ne i finalni argument.
no ne i finalni argument.
33:03
and I think that's something
that public should decide.
that public should decide.
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Mislim da bi o tome trebala odlučiti javnost.
33:06
But at the same time,
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No, istovremeno
33:08
the government has hinted that they want
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vlada je nagovijestila da želi
33:09
some kind of deal,
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nekakav dogovor,
33:11
that they want me to compromise
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da želi da otkrijem
33:13
the journalists with which I've been working,
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s kojim sam novinarima surađivao
33:15
to come back,
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kako bih se mogao vratiti.
33:17
and I want to make it very clear
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Želim jasno naznačiti
33:19
that I did not do this to be safe.
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da ovo nisam učinio kako bih bio siguran.
33:22
I did this to do what was right,
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Učinio sam to da napravim nešto što je ispravno,
33:24
and I'm not going to stop my work
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i neću stati s nečime
33:26
in the public interest
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što je u inetesu javnosti
33:28
just to benefit myself.
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samo da bih sebi pomogao.
33:31
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
33:36
CA: In the meantime,
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CA: U međuvremenu,
33:38
courtesy of the Internet and this technology,
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zahvaljujući Internetu i ovoj tehnologiji,
33:42
you're here, back in North America,
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ovdje si, ponovno u Sjevernoj Americi,
33:44
not quite the U.S., Canada, in this form.
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ne baš u SAD-u, nego u Kanadi, u ovome obliku.
33:48
I'm curious, how does that feel?
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Zanima me, kakav je osjećaj?
33:53
ES: Canada is different than what I expected.
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ES: Kanada je drukčija od onog što sam očekivao.
33:55
It's a lot warmer.
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Puno je toplije.
33:57
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
34:03
CA: At TED, the mission is "ideas worth spreading."
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CA: Za TED je misija "ideje koje vrijedi širiti".
34:06
If you could encapsulate it in a single idea,
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Kada bi mogao sažeti u jednoj jedinoj ideji,
34:08
what is your idea worth spreading
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koja bi bila tvoja ideja vrijedna širenja
34:10
right now at this moment?
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u ovome trenutku?
34:14
ES: I would say the last year has been a reminder
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ES: Rekao bih da je prethodna godina bila podsjetnik
34:18
that democracy may die behind closed doors,
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kako demokracija može umrijeti iza zatvorenih vrata,
34:22
but we as individuals are born
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no da smo mi kao pojedinci rođeni
34:24
behind those same closed doors,
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iza istih tih zatvorenih vrata,
34:26
and we don't have to give up
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i ne trebamo dizati ruke
34:29
our privacy to have good government.
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od svoje privatnosti da bismo imali dobre vlade.
34:32
We don't have to give up our liberty
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Ne trebamo odustajati od naše slobode
34:34
to have security.
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kako bismo bili sigurni.
34:36
And I think by working together
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Mislim da zajedničkim djelovanjem
34:38
we can have both open government
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možemo imati i otvorenu vladu
34:41
and private lives,
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i privatnost,
34:43
and I look forward to working with everyone
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i radujem se surađivanju sa svima
34:44
around the world to see that happen.
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diljem svijeta da se to omogući.
34:47
Thank you very much.
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Puno vam hvala.
34:48
CA: Ed, thank you.
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CA: Ed, hvala tebi.
34:51
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Edward Snowden - WhistleblowerIn 2013 Edward Snowden leaked thousands of classified American National Security Agency documents, sparking a global conversation about citizens' rights to privacy on the Internet.
Why you should listen
Edward Snowden was just about to turn 28 when his face was suddenly splashed across every major newspaper in the US. In the summer of 2013 The Guardian published a series of leaked documents about the American National Security Agency (NSA), starting with an article about a secret court order demanding American phone records from Verizon, followed by an article on the NSA's top-secret Prism program, said to be accessing user data from Google, Apple and Facebook.
It wasn't long before Snowden came forward as the source, revealing that he had carefully planned the leak, copying documents when he was working as a contractor for the NSA. "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," he said at the time, but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant." Snowden's actions have led to a global debate on the relationship between national security and online privacy. His leaks continue to have a lasting impact on the American public's view of the government, and has encouraged media scrutiny on the NSA.
Snowden had coordinated the leak with journalist Glenn Greenwald and filmmaker Laura Poitras from Hong Kong; after he revealed his identity, he fled and ended up in Moscow. Under charges of espionage by the American government, Snowden remains in Russia in temporary asylum.
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