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Sebastian Junger: Why veterans miss war
Sebastian Junger: Zašto veteranima nedostaje rat
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Civilima rat ne nedostaje. Ali vojnicima često da. Novinar Sebastian Junger dijeli svoje iskustvo zajedničkog života sa američkim vojnicima u Restrepu, položaju u Afganistanskoj dolini Korengal koji je doživio teške borbe. Nudeći uvid u "izmijenjeno stanje uma" koje dolazi u ratu, pokazuje kako borba daje vojnicima intenzivno iskustvo povezanosti. Na kraju, može li biti da je zapravo "obrnuto od rata" ono što vojnicima nedostaje?
Sebastian Junger - Journalist and documentarian
The author of "The Perfect Storm" and the director of the documentaries "Restrepo" and "Korengal," Sebastian Junger tells non-fiction stories with grit and emotion. Full bio
The author of "The Perfect Storm" and the director of the documentaries "Restrepo" and "Korengal," Sebastian Junger tells non-fiction stories with grit and emotion. Full bio
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I'm going to ask and try to answer,
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Pitat ću i pokušati odgovoriti
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in some ways, kind of an uncomfortable question.
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na neki način neugodno pitanje.
00:19
Both civilians, obviously, and soldiers
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Jednako civili, očito, i vojnici
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suffer in war;
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trpe u ratu;
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I don't think any civilian has ever missed
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ne mislim da je nekom civilu
ikada nedostajao
ikada nedostajao
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the war that they were subjected to.
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rat kojem je bio izložen.
00:30
I've been covering wars for almost 20 years,
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Pokrivam ratove već gotovo 20 godina,
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and one of the remarkable things for me
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i jedna osobita stvar za mene
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is how many soldiers find themselves missing it.
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je kako brojni vojnici
otkriju da im nedostaje.
otkriju da im nedostaje.
00:39
How is it someone can go through
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Kako to da netko može proći kroz
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the worst experience imaginable,
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najgore iskustvo koje se može zamisliti,
00:43
and come home, back to their home,
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te doći kući, natrag u svoj dom,
00:45
and their family, their country, and miss the war?
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svojoj obitelji, svojoj zemlji,
i da mu nedostaje rat?
i da mu nedostaje rat?
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How does that work? What does it mean?
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Kako to radi? Što to znači?
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We have to answer that question,
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Moramo odgovoriti na to pitanje,
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because if we don't, it'll be impossible
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jer ako ne odgovorimo, biti će nemoguće
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to bring soldiers back
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vratiti vojnike natrag
01:00
to a place in society where they belong,
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na mjesto u društvo gdje pripadaju,
01:04
and I think it'll also be impossible to stop war,
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i mislim da će također
biti nemoguće zaustaviti rat,
biti nemoguće zaustaviti rat,
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if we don't understand how that mechanism works.
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ako ne razumijemo kako taj mehanizam radi.
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The problem is that war
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Problem je što rat
01:13
does not have a simple, neat truth,
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nema jednostavnu, urednu istinu,
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one simple, neat truth.
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jednu jednostavnu, urednu istinu.
01:19
Any sane person hates war,
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Svaka razumna osoba mrzi rat,
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hates the idea of war,
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mrzi ideju rata,
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wouldn't want to have anything to do with it,
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ne bi htjela imati nikakve veze s njim,
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doesn't want to be near it,
doesn't want to know about it.
doesn't want to know about it.
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ne želi mu biti blizu,
ne želi znati za njega.
ne želi znati za njega.
01:29
That's a sane response to war.
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To je razuman odgovor na rat.
01:32
But if I asked all of you in this room,
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Ali ako pitam sve vas u ovoj prostoriji,
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who here has paid money
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tko je odavde platio
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to go to a cinema
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kako bi otišao u kino
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and be entertained by a Hollywood war movie,
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i bio zabavljen holivudskim ratnim filmom,
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most of you would probably raise your hands.
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većina bi vas vjerojatno podigla ruke.
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That's what's so complicated about war.
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To je ono što je tako zamršeno kod rata.
01:49
And trust me, if a room full of peace-loving people
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A vjerujte mi, ako
prostorija puna miroljubivog svijeta
prostorija puna miroljubivog svijeta
01:53
finds something compelling about war,
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nalazi nešto neodoljivo u ratu,
01:56
so do 20-year-old soldiers
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nalaze i dvadesetogodišnji vojnici
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who have been trained in it, I promise you.
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koji su uvježbani za njega, obećajem vam.
02:02
That's the thing that has to be understood.
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To je stvar koju treba razumjeti.
02:05
I've covered war for about 20 years, as I said,
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Pokrivao sam rat oko 20 godina, kako rekoh,
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but my most intense experiences in combat
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ali moja najžešća iskustva iz borbe
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were with American soldiers in Afghanistan.
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su bila sa Američkim vojnicima u Afganistanu.
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I've been in Africa, the Middle East,
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Bio sam u Africi, Bliskom istoku,
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Afghanistan in the '90s,
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Afganistanu u 90-ima,
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but it was with American soldiers in 2007, 2008,
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ali bilo je to sa Američkim
vojnicima tijekom 2007., 2008.
vojnicima tijekom 2007., 2008.
02:22
that I was confronted with
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kad sam se suočio sa
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very intense combat.
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vrlo žestokom borbom.
02:26
I was in a small valley called the Korengal Valley
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Bio sam u maloj dolini
zvanoj dolina Korengal
zvanoj dolina Korengal
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in eastern Afghanistan.
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u istočnom Afganistanu.
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It was six miles long.
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Bila je duga šest milja.
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There were 150 men of
Battle Company in that valley,
Battle Company in that valley,
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Bilo je 150 ljudi
Borbene Satnije u toj dolini,
Borbene Satnije u toj dolini,
02:36
and for a while, while I was there,
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i neko vrijeme, dok sam bio tamo,
02:40
almost 20 percent of all the combat
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gotovo 20 posto sve borbe
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in all of Afghanistan was happening
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u svom Afganistanu se dešavalo
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in those six miles.
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u tih šest milja.
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A hundred and fifty men were absorbing
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Stotinu i pedest ljudi je upijalo
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almost a fifth of the combat for all of NATO forces
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gotovo petinu sve borbe svih NATO snaga
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in the country, for a couple months.
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u zemlji, kroz nekoliko mjeseci.
02:54
It was very intense.
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Bilo je vrlo intenzivno.
02:56
I spent most of my time at a small outpost
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Proveo sam većinu
svog vremena u malenoj ispostavi
svog vremena u malenoj ispostavi
02:58
called Restrepo.
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zvanoj Restrepo.
02:59
It was named after the platoon medic
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Ime je dobila po vojniku bolničaru
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that had been killed about two
months into the deployment.
months into the deployment.
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koji je bio ubijen oko dva
mjeseca nakon raspoređivanja.
mjeseca nakon raspoređivanja.
03:04
It was a few plywood B-huts
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To je bilo nekoliko daščara od iverice
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clinging to a side of a ridge,
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oslonjenih na stranu grebena,
03:12
and sandbags, bunkers, gun positions,
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te vreće s pijeskom,
bunkeri, borbeni položaji,
bunkeri, borbeni položaji,
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and there were 20 men up there
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i tamo gore je bilo i 20 ljudi
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of Second Platoon, Battle Company.
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Drugog Voda Borbene Satnije.
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I spent most of my time up there.
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Proveo sam većinu svog vremena tamo.
03:22
There was no running water.
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Nije bilo tekuće vode,
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There was no way to bathe.
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nije bilo načina da se okupa.
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The guys were up there for a month at a time.
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Momci su bili gore po mjesec dana.
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They never even got out of their clothes.
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Nikad nisu niti izašli iz odjeće.
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They fought. The worked.
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Borili su se. Radili su.
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They slept in the same clothes.
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Spavali su u istoj odjeći.
03:33
They never took them off,
and at the end of the month,
and at the end of the month,
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Nikad je nisu skinuli,
a na kraju mjeseca,
a na kraju mjeseca,
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they went back down to the company headquarters,
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otišli bi dolje u stožer satnije,
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and by then, their clothes were unwearable.
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i do tada, odjeća bi
postala neupotrebljiva.
postala neupotrebljiva.
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They burned them and got a new set.
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Spalili bi je i dobili novi komplet.
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There was no Internet. There was no phone.
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NIje bilo Interneta. Nije bilo telefona.
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There was no communication
with the outside world up there.
with the outside world up there.
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Nije bilo komunikacije
sa ostatkom svijeta od tamo.
sa ostatkom svijeta od tamo.
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There was no cooked food.
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Nije bilo kuhane hrane.
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There was nothing up there
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Tamo gore nije bilo ničega
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that young men typically like:
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što se mladim ljudima tipično sviđa:
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no cars, no girls, no television, nothing
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nije bilo auta, cura, televizije, ničega
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except combat.
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osim borbe.
04:00
Combat they did learn to like.
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Borbu su naučili uživati.
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I remember one day, it was a very hot day
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Sjećam se jedan dan, bio je vrlo vruć dan
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in the spring,
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u proljeće,
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and we hadn't been in a fight
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i nismo bili u borbi
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in a couple of weeks, maybe.
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par tjedana, možda.
04:13
Usually, the outpost was attacked,
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Inače, ispostava je napadana
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and we hadn't seen any
combat in a couple of weeks,
combat in a couple of weeks,
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a nismo vidjeli borbu par tjedana,
04:18
and everyone was just stunned
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i svi su bili omamljeni
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with boredom and heat.
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od dosade i vrućine.
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And I remember the lieutenant walking past me
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I sjećam se poručnika kako hoda ispred mene
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sort of stripped to the waist.
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nekako skinut do pasa.
04:29
It was incredibly hot.
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Bilo je nevjerojatno vruće.
04:31
Stripped to the waist, walked past me muttering,
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Skinut do pasa, hoda ispred mene mrmljajući,
04:34
"Oh God, please someone attack us today."
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"O bože, molim te
neka nas netko napadne danas."
neka nas netko napadne danas."
04:36
That's how bored they were.
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Eto toliko im je bilo dosadno.
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That's war too, is a lieutenant saying,
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I to je rat, poručnik koji govori:
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"Please make something happen
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"Molim te neka se nešto dogodi
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because we're going crazy."
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jer smo više izluđeni."
04:46
To understand that,
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Da to razumijete,
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you have to, for a moment,
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morate, na trenutak,
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think about combat not morally --
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razmišljati o borbi ne moralno --
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that's an important job to do —
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to je važno činiti —
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but for a moment, don't think about it morally,
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ali na trenutak, nemojte
razmišljati moralno,
razmišljati moralno,
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think about it neurologically.
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razmišljajte o tome neurološki.
05:00
Let's think about what happens in your brain
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Razmislimo o tome
što se događa u vašem mozgu
što se događa u vašem mozgu
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when you're in combat.
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kad ste u borbi.
05:04
First of all, the experience
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Prije svega, iskustvo
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is very bizarre, it's a very bizarre one.
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je vrlo bizarno, to je vrlo bizarno.
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It's not what I had expected.
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Nije ono što sam očekivao.
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Usually, you're not scared.
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Obično, niste prestrašeni.
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I've been very scared in combat,
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Znao sam biti vrlo prestrašen u borbi,
05:18
but most of the time when I was out there,
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ali većinu vremena kad sam bio tamo,
05:20
I wasn't scared.
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nisam bio prestrašen.
05:21
I was very scared beforehand
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Bio sam vrlo prestrašen prije
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and incredibly scared afterwards,
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i nejvjerojatno prestrašen nakon,
05:25
and that fear that comes afterwards can last years.
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i taj strah koji dođe nakon
može trajati godinama.
može trajati godinama.
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I haven't been shot at in six years,
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Na mene nije pucano šest godina,
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and I was woken up very abruptly this morning
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pa ipak sam se iznenada prenuo jutros
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by a nightmare that I was being strafed by aircraft,
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iz noćne more u kojoj
me napala letjelica u brišućem letu
me napala letjelica u brišućem letu
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six years later.
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šest godina poslije.
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I've never even been strafed by aircraft,
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Nikad me nije napala
letjelica u brišućem letu
letjelica u brišućem letu
05:38
and I was having nightmares about it.
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a imao sam noćne more o tome.
05:41
Time slows down.
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Vrijeme uspori.
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You get this weird tunnel vision.
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Dobijete taj čudni pogled kao kroz tunel.
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You notice some details very, very, very accurately
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Primjećujete neke detalje
vrlo vrlo vrlo točno
vrlo vrlo vrlo točno
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and other things drop out.
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a druge stvari ispadaju iz slike.
05:51
It's almost a slightly altered state of mind.
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Nalik je nekom malo
izmijenjenom stanju uma.
izmijenjenom stanju uma.
05:54
What's happening in your brain
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Ono što vam se događa u mozgu
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is you're getting an enormous amount of adrenaline
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je da dobijate ogromnu količinu adrenalina
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pumped through your system.
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koja vam kola kroz tijelo.
06:00
Young men will go to great lengths
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Mladi ljudi poduzimaju svašta
06:02
to have that experience.
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da bi doživjeli to iskustvo.
06:05
It's wired into us.
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To je ugrađeno u nas.
06:08
It's hormonally supported.
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To je hormonalno podržano.
06:11
The mortality rate for young men in society
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Stopa smrtnosti mladih muškaraca u društvu
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is six times what it is for young women
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je šest puta one mladih žena
06:18
from violence and from accidents,
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od nasilja i od nesreća.
06:19
just the stupid stuff that young men do:
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samo gluposti koje mladići čine:
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jumping off of things they shouldn't jump off of,
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skakanje sa stvari sa
kojih ne bi trebali skakati,
kojih ne bi trebali skakati,
06:24
lighting things on fire they shouldn't light on fire,
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paljenje stvari koje ne bi trebali paliti,
06:26
I mean, you know what I'm talking about.
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mislim, znate o čemu pričam.
06:29
They die at six times the rate
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umiru šest puta češće
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that young women do.
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nego što umiru mlade žene.
06:32
Statistically, you are safer as a teenage boy,
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Statistički, sigurniji ste kao tinejdžer,
06:36
you would be safer in the fire department
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bili biste sigurniji u vatrogascima
06:39
or the police department in most American cities
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ili u policijskoj stanici u
većini Američkih gradova
većini Američkih gradova
06:41
than just walking around the
streets of your hometown
streets of your hometown
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nego da samo hodate uokolo
po ulicama vlastitog grada,
po ulicama vlastitog grada,
06:44
looking for something to do,
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tražeći nešto za raditi,
06:46
statistically.
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statistički.
06:49
You can imagine how that plays out in combat.
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Možete zamisliti kako se to odigrava u borbi.
06:52
At Restrepo, every guy up there was almost killed,
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U Restrepu, svaki je
momak tamo gore skoro poginuo,
momak tamo gore skoro poginuo,
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including me,
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uključujući mene,
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including my good friend Tim Hetherington,
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uključujući Tima Hetheringtona,
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who was later killed in Libya.
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koji je kasnije ubijen u Libiji.
07:02
There were guys walking around
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Tamo je bilo momaka koji su hodali
07:03
with bullet holes in their uniforms,
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sa rupama od metaka na svojim uniformama,
07:05
rounds that had cut through the fabric
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pogocima koji su prošli kroz tkaninu
07:07
and didn't touch their bodies.
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ali im nisu dotakli tijela.
07:10
I was leaning against some sandbags one morning,
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Bio sam naslonjen na
neke vreće pijeska jedno jutro,
neke vreće pijeska jedno jutro,
07:13
not much going on, sort of spacing out,
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ne radeći ništa specijalno,
nekako odmarajući,
nekako odmarajući,
07:16
and some sand was kicked into the side of,
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a nešto pijeska me lupilo sa strane,
07:20
sort of hit the side of my face.
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nekako lupilo u jednu stranu mog lica.
07:23
Something hit the side of my face,
and I didn't know what it was.
and I didn't know what it was.
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Nešto je lupilo stranu lica,
a ja nisam znao što.
a ja nisam znao što.
07:25
You have to understand about bullets
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Morate znati o mecima
07:26
that they go a lot faster than sound,
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da lete dosta brže od zvuka,
07:28
so if someone shoots at you
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tako da ako netko puca po vama
07:30
from a few hundred meters,
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sa nekoliko stotina metara,
07:32
the bullet goes by you, or hits you obviously,
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metak prolazi pored vas,
ili vas pogađa očito,
ili vas pogađa očito,
07:35
half a second or so before
the sound catches up to it.
the sound catches up to it.
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oko pola sekunde prije
nego ga zvuk sustigne.
nego ga zvuk sustigne.
07:38
So I had some sand sprayed in the side of my face.
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Dakle malo me pijeska bilo
poprskalo po licu.
poprskalo po licu.
07:40
Half a second later, I heard dut-dut-dut-dut-duh.
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Pola sekunde kasnije,
čuo sam ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.
čuo sam ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.
07:42
It was machine gun fire.
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To je bila strojnica.
07:43
It was the first round, the first burst
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To su bili prvi hici, prvi rafal
07:46
of an hour-long firefight.
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sat vremena dugog puškaranja.
07:49
What had happened was the bullet hit,
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Metak je pogodio,
07:52
a bullet hit three or four inches
from the side of my head.
from the side of my head.
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metak je pogodio
tri ili četiri palca pokraj moje glave.
tri ili četiri palca pokraj moje glave.
07:55
Imagine, just think about it, because I certainly did,
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Zamislite, samo razmislite
o tome, jer ja sigurno jesam,
o tome, jer ja sigurno jesam,
08:00
think about the angle of deviation that saved my life.
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razmislite o otklonu koji
mi je sačuvao život.
mi je sačuvao život.
08:02
At 400 meters, it missed me by three inches.
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Na 400 metara me je promašilo za tri palca.
08:04
Just think about the math on that.
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Samo razmislite o matematici toga.
08:09
Every guy up there
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Svaki momak tamo gore
08:11
had some experience like that,
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je imao neko iskustvo nalik ovom,
08:12
at least once, if not many times.
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barem jednom, ako ne više puta.
08:16
The boys are up there for a year.
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Dečki su tamo gore godinu dana.
08:18
They got back.
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Vratili su se natrag.
08:20
Some of them got out of the Army
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Neki su od njih izašli iz vojske
08:22
and had tremendous psychological
problems when they got home.
problems when they got home.
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i imali ogromne psihološke
probleme kad su došli kući.
probleme kad su došli kući.
08:24
Some of them stayed in the Army
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Neki su od njih ostali u vojsci
08:26
and were more or less okay, psychologically.
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i bili manje ili više u redu, psihološki.
08:29
I was particularly close to a
guy named Brendan O'Byrne.
guy named Brendan O'Byrne.
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Bio sam posebno blizak
momku koji se zvao Brendan O'Byrne
momku koji se zvao Brendan O'Byrne
08:32
I'm still very good friends with him.
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Još smo uvijek jako dobri prijatelji.
08:34
He came back to the States. He got out of the Army.
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Vratio se u Sjedinjene države.
Izašao iz vojske.
Izašao iz vojske.
08:37
I had a dinner party one night.
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Jednom sam priredio zabavu.
08:39
I invited him,
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Pozvao sam ga,
08:41
and he started talking with a woman,
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i on je počeo pričati sa ženom,
08:45
one of my friends,
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jednom od mojih prijateljica,
08:46
and she knew how bad it had been out there,
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a ona je znala kako je loše bilo tamo,
08:49
and she said, "Brendan,
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te mu je rekla: "Brendan,
08:51
is there anything at all that you miss about
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postoji li uopće nešto što ti nedostaje glede
08:54
being out in Afghanistan, about the war?"
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bivanja u Afganistanu, glede rata?"
08:58
And he thought about it quite a long time,
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i on je razmislio o tome poprilično dugo,
09:01
and finally he said, "Ma'am, I miss almost all of it."
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te na kraju rekao:
"Gospođo, nedostaje mi skoro sve."
"Gospođo, nedostaje mi skoro sve."
09:06
And he's one of the most traumatized people
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A on je jedan od traumatiziranijih ljudi
09:09
I've seen from that war.
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koje sam vidio iz tog rata.
09:13
"Ma'am, I miss almost all of it."
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"Gospođo, nedostaje mi skoro sve."
09:15
What is he talking about?
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O čemu on to priča?
09:18
He's not a psychopath.
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Nije psihopat.
09:21
He doesn't miss killing people.
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Ne nedostaje mu ubijanje ljudi.
09:23
He's not crazy. He doesn't miss getting shot at
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Nije lud. Ne nedostaje mu da se po njemu puca
09:25
and seeing his friends get killed.
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niti da gleda kako mu
prijatelji bivaju ubijeni.
prijatelji bivaju ubijeni.
09:27
What is it that he misses? We have to answer that.
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Što je to što mu nedostaje?
Moramo na to odgovoriti.
Moramo na to odgovoriti.
09:31
If we're going to stop war, we
have to answer that question.
have to answer that question.
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Ako želimo zaustaviti rat,
moramo odgovoriti na to pitanje.
moramo odgovoriti na to pitanje.
09:37
I think what he missed is brotherhood.
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Mislim da je ono što mu nedostaje bratstvo.
09:42
He missed, in some ways,
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Nedostaje mu, na neki način,
09:44
the opposite of killing.
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suprotnost od ubijanja.
09:46
What he missed was connection
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Ono što mu nedostaje je povezanost
09:48
to the other men he was with.
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sa drugim ljudima s kojima je bio.
09:50
Now, brotherhood is different from friendship.
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Sad, bratstvo je različito od prijateljstva.
09:53
Friendship happens in society, obviously.
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Prijateljstvo se događa u društvu, očito.
09:57
The more you like someone,
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Što vam se netko više sviđa,
09:58
the more you'd be willing to do for them.
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više ćete biti spremni učiniti za njih.
10:00
Brotherhood has nothing to do
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Bratstvo nema nikakve veze
10:02
with how you feel about the other person.
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sa tim što osjećate za drugu osobu.
10:05
It's a mutual agreement in a group
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To je međusobna suglasnost u grupi
10:08
that you will put the welfare of the group,
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da ćete staviti dobrobit grupe,
10:10
you will put the safety of everyone in the group
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da ćete staviti sigurnost svakog u grupi
10:12
above your own.
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iznad vlastite.
10:14
In effect, you're saying,
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U stvari, govorite:
10:18
"I love these other people more than I love myself."
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"Volim ove ljude više nego volim sebe."
10:23
Brendan was a team leader
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Brendan je bio vođa tima
10:25
in command of three men,
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zapovjednik tri čovjeka,
10:26
and the worst day in Afghanistan —
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i najgori dan u Afganistanu —
10:30
He was almost killed so many times.
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Zamalo je poginuo toliko puta.
10:33
It didn't bother him.
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Nije ga to mučilo.
10:34
The worst thing that happened to him in Afghanistan
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Najgora stvar koja mu
se dogodila u Afganistanu
se dogodila u Afganistanu
10:37
was one of his men was hit in the head with a bullet
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je kad je jedan od njegovih ljudi
bio pogođen u glavu metkom
bio pogođen u glavu metkom
10:39
in the helmet, knocked him over.
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u kacigu, prevalio ga na pod.
10:44
They thought he was dead.
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Mislili su da je mrtav.
10:45
It was in the middle of a huge firefight.
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Bilo je to usred puškaranja.
10:46
No one could deal with it, and a minute later,
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Nitko se nije mogao
baviti time, a minutu kasnije,
baviti time, a minutu kasnije,
10:48
Kyle Steiner sat back up
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Kyle Steiner se uspravio i sjeo natrag
10:51
from the dead, as it were,
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iz mrtvih, kako se činilo,
10:52
because he'd come back to consciousness.
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jer se probudio iz nesvijesti.
10:54
The bullet had just knocked him out.
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Metak ga je samo onesvijestio.
10:56
It glanced off the helmet.
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Okrznuo mu je kacigu.
10:58
He remembers people saying,
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Sjeća se ljudi kako govore,
11:00
as he was sort of half-conscious,
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dok je bio nekako polusvjestan,
11:01
he remembers people saying,
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sjeća se ljudi kako govore:
11:05
"Steiner's been hit in the head. Steiner's dead."
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"Steiner je pogođen u glavu.
Steiner je mrtav."
Steiner je mrtav."
11:07
And he was thinking, "I'm not dead."
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A on je mislio: "Nisam mrtav."
11:08
And he sat up.
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i onda je sjeo.
11:10
And Brendan realized after that
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Te je Brendan nakon toga shvatio
11:12
that he could not protect his men,
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da ne može zaštititi svoje ljude,
11:14
and that was the only time he cried in Afghanistan,
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i to je bio jedini put
da je plakao u Afganistanu,
da je plakao u Afganistanu,
11:16
was realizing that.
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kada je to shvatio.
11:19
That's brotherhood.
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To je bratstvo.
11:22
This wasn't invented recently.
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Ono nije izmišljeno nedavno.
11:24
Many of you have probably read "The Iliad."
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Puno vas je vjerojatno čitalo "Ilijadu".
11:27
Achilles surely would have risked his life
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Ahil bi sigurno riskirao svoj život
11:29
or given his life to save his friend Patroclus.
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ili dao svoj život da
spasi svog prijatelja Patrokla.
spasi svog prijatelja Patrokla.
11:34
In World War II, there were many stories
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U Drugom svjetskom ratu, bilo je puno priča
11:36
of soldiers who were wounded,
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o vojnicima koji su bili ranjeni,
11:40
were brought to a rear base hospital,
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odvedeni u pozadinsku bolnicu,
11:42
who went AWOL,
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koji su pobjegli,
11:43
crawled out of windows, slipped out doors,
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spuzali kroz prozore, kliznuli kroz vrata,
11:45
went AWOL, wounded,
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pobjegli, ranjeni,
11:49
to make their way back to the front lines
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da bi vlastitim snagama
našli put natrag na prvu crtu
našli put natrag na prvu crtu
11:50
to rejoin their brothers out there.
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kako bi se ponovno
pridružili svojoj braći tamo.
pridružili svojoj braći tamo.
11:53
So you think about Brendan,
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Onda pomislite o Brendanu,
11:55
you think about all these soldiers
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pomislite na sve te vojnike
11:59
having an experience like that, a bond like that,
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koji imaju iskustvo nalik tome,
vezu poput te,
vezu poput te,
12:01
in a small group,
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u maloj grupi,
12:03
where they loved 20 other people
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gdje su voljeli 20 drugih ljudi
12:05
in some ways more than they loved themselves,
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na neki način više nego što su voljeli sebe,
12:08
you think about how good that would feel, imagine it,
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pomislite o tome kako
bi to bio dobar osjećaj, zamislite,
bi to bio dobar osjećaj, zamislite,
12:13
and they are blessed with that experience for a year,
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a oni su blagoslovljeni
tim iskustvom na godinu dana,
tim iskustvom na godinu dana,
12:18
and then they come home,
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potom dođu doma,
12:19
and they are just back in society
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i samo su natrag u društvu
12:22
like the rest of us are,
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kao što smo i mi ostali,
12:25
not knowing who they can count on,
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gdje ne znaju na koga mogu računati,
12:28
not knowing who loves them, who they can love,
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gdje ne znaju tko ih voli,
koga oni mogu voljeti,
koga oni mogu voljeti,
12:33
not knowing exactly what anyone they know
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gdje ne znaju točno što bi
bilo tko koga poznaju
bilo tko koga poznaju
12:35
would do for them if it came down to it.
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učinio za njih kada bi se svelo na to.
12:38
That is terrifying.
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To je zastrašujuće.
12:41
Compared to that,
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U usporedbi s tim,
12:43
war, psychologically, in some ways, is easy,
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rat, psihološki, na neki način, je lagan,
12:47
compared to that kind of alienation.
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u usporedbi s tom vrstom otuđenja.
12:50
That's why they miss it,
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To je zašto im nedostaje,
12:51
and that's what we have to understand
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i to je ono što moramo shvatiti
12:54
and in some ways fix in our society.
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i na neki način popraviti u našem društvu.
12:57
Thank you very much.
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Hvala vam puno.
13:00
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sebastian Junger - Journalist and documentarianThe author of "The Perfect Storm" and the director of the documentaries "Restrepo" and "Korengal," Sebastian Junger tells non-fiction stories with grit and emotion.
Why you should listen
Sebastian Junger thundered onto the media landscape with his non-fiction book, The Perfect Storm. A correspondent for Vanity Fair and ABC News, Junger has covered stories all across the globe, igniting a new interest in non-fiction. One of his main interests: war.
From 2007 to 2008, Junger and photographer Tim Hetherington embedded with the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team in Afghanistan. They spent intensive time with the soldiers at the Restrepo outpost in the Korengal Valley, which saw more combat than any other part of Afghanistan. The experience became Junger's book WAR, and the documentary "Restrepo," which was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary in 2011.
Junger and Hetherington planned to make a second documentary on the topic, "Korengal," meant to help soldiers and civilians alike understand the fear, courage and complexity involved in combat. It's a project that Junger decided to carry on after Hetherington was killed in Libya while covering the civil war there. Junger self-financed and released the film.
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