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Bill Bernat: How to connect with depressed friends
Bill Bernat: Kako razgovarati s depresivnim prijateljima
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Želite razgovarati s depresivnim prijateljem, a niste sigurni kako se povezati s njim? Komičar i pripovjedač Bill Bernat ima nekoliko prijedloga. Naučite što se smije i ne smije u razgovoru s depresivnim ljudima - i savladajte vaš sljedeći razgovor otmjenošću i možda uz malo humora.
Bill Bernat - Mental health awareness advocate
Bill Bernat is a recovering addict living with bipolar condition who advocates for mental health awareness through speaking, comedy and storytelling. Full bio
Bill Bernat is a recovering addict living with bipolar condition who advocates for mental health awareness through speaking, comedy and storytelling. Full bio
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00:12
The one conversation that uplifted me
more than any other in my life
more than any other in my life
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Razgovor koji me oduševio
više od ijednog drugog u životu
više od ijednog drugog u životu
00:18
was with a woman who told me
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bio je sa ženom koja mi je rekla
00:20
how, a few days earlier,
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da se, nekoliko dana ranije,
00:22
she drove her Jeep Wrangler
to the edge of the Grand Canyon
to the edge of the Grand Canyon
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odvezla u svom Jeep Wrangleru
do ruba Grand Canyona
do ruba Grand Canyona
00:26
and sat there, revving the engine,
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i sjedila tamo, pritiskala gas,
00:29
thinking about driving over.
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razmišljajući da ode preko ruba.
00:32
Even though I had severe social anxiety,
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Iako sam imao tešku socijalnu anksioznost,
00:35
in that conversation,
I was totally at ease.
I was totally at ease.
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u tom razgovoru sam bio posve opušten.
00:38
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:39
She told me what was going on in her life
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Rekla mi je što se događalo
u njezinom životu
u njezinom životu
00:42
in the days and months leading up,
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danima i mjesecima prije tog događaja,
00:44
what her thoughts were
at that exact moment,
at that exact moment,
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o čemu je mislila u tom trenutku,
00:46
why she wanted to die,
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zašto je željela umrijeti
00:48
and why she didn't do it.
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i zašto se nije ubila.
00:50
We nodded and half-smiled,
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Kimnuli smo glavom i napola se osmjehnuli,
00:53
and then it was my turn
to talk about my journey
to talk about my journey
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i tad je bio moj red
da ispričam o svom putovanju
da ispričam o svom putovanju
00:55
to a dining table
in the hygienic community area
in the hygienic community area
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do stola za objedovanje
u higijenskom zajedničkom prostoru
u higijenskom zajedničkom prostoru
01:00
of the mental health wing
of a mountain-town hospital.
of a mountain-town hospital.
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odjela za mentalno zdravlje
bolnice u jednom planinskom gradu.
bolnice u jednom planinskom gradu.
01:04
I took too many sleeping pills,
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Popio sam previše tableta
01:06
and after they treated me for that,
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i nakon što su me izliječili,
01:07
they were like, "Hey, we would love it
if you would be our guest
if you would be our guest
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bili su kao: "Hej, voljeli bismo
kad bi bio naš gost
kad bi bio naš gost
01:13
in the psych ward."
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na psihijatrijskom odjelu."
01:15
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:20
We joked that her suicide
would have made a way better postcard.
would have made a way better postcard.
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Šalili smo se da bi njezino samoubojstvo
bila bolja razglednica.
bila bolja razglednica.
01:25
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:26
We talked shop.
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Razgovarali smo o sebi.
01:28
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:29
She allowed me to be deeply depressed
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Dopustila mi je da budem depresivan
01:32
and have a genuine connection
to another person, simultaneously.
to another person, simultaneously.
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i istovremeno ostvarim
istinsku vezu s drugom osobom.
istinsku vezu s drugom osobom.
01:37
For the first time,
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Po prvi put,
01:38
I identified as somebody
living with depression,
living with depression,
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identificirao sam se kao osoba
koja živi s depresijom
koja živi s depresijom
01:42
and I felt good about it --
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i osjećao sam se dobro zbog toga,
01:43
like I was wasn't a bad person for it.
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kao da nisam zato loša osoba.
01:46
Now imagine one of the people
at that table was a member of your family
at that table was a member of your family
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Zamislite da je član
vaše obitelji za tim stolom,
vaše obitelji za tim stolom,
01:51
or a close friend.
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ili bliski prijatelj.
01:53
Would you be comfortable talking to them?
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Bi li vam bilo ugodno razgovarati s njima?
01:55
What if instead of the hospital,
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Što ako bi umjesto u bolnici,
01:57
they were at your kitchen table
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svi oni bili za vašim stolom
01:59
and told you they were really depressed?
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i rekli vam da su stvarno depresivni?
02:02
The World Health Organization
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Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija
02:04
says that depression is the leading cause
of ill health and disability worldwide,
of ill health and disability worldwide,
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kaže da je depresija vodeći uzrok
bolesti i invaliditeta diljem svijeta,
bolesti i invaliditeta diljem svijeta,
02:11
affecting 350 million people.
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koja zahvaća 350 milijuna ljudi.
02:14
The National Institute of Mental Health
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Nacionalni institut za mentalno zdravlje
02:16
reports seven percent of Americans
experiencing depression in a year.
experiencing depression in a year.
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izvještava da 7% Amerikanaca
proživi depresiju svake godine.
proživi depresiju svake godine.
02:21
So depression is super common,
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Znači, depresija je jako česta,
02:23
yet in my experience,
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ali prema mojem iskustvu,
02:26
most folks don't want
to talk to depressed people
to talk to depressed people
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većina ljudi ne želi razgovarati
s depresivnim osobama
s depresivnim osobama
02:29
unless we pretend to be happy.
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ako se ne pretvaramo da smo sretni.
02:33
A cheerful facade is appropriate
for casual interactions.
for casual interactions.
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Vesela maska je prigodna
za usputne susrete.
za usputne susrete.
02:37
A depressed person can ask for extra syrup
in their pumpkin spice latte
in their pumpkin spice latte
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Depresivna osoba može tražiti više sirupa
u svojoj kavi s okusom bundeve,
u svojoj kavi s okusom bundeve,
02:41
without explaining that they need it
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a da ne objašnjava da ga treba,
02:43
because they're trapped
in the infinite darkness of their soul
in the infinite darkness of their soul
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jer je zatočena
u beskrajnoj tami svoje duše
u beskrajnoj tami svoje duše
02:47
and they've lost all hope of escape --
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i izgubila je svaku nadu za bijeg,
02:49
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:51
again.
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opet.
02:52
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:55
Depression doesn't diminish
a person's desire
a person's desire
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Depresija ne umanjuje želju osobe
02:58
to connect with other people,
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da se poveže s drugim ljudima,
03:00
just their ability.
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samo njihovu sposobnost.
03:02
So in spite of what you might think,
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Unatoč tome što možda mislite,
03:05
talking to friends and family
living with depression
living with depression
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pričati s prijateljima i obitelji
koji imaju depresiju
koji imaju depresiju
03:07
can be really easy and maybe even fun.
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može stvarno biti lako
i možda čak i zabavno.
i možda čak i zabavno.
03:11
Not, like, Facebook-selfie-with-Lady-Gaga-
at-an-underground-party fun --
at-an-underground-party fun --
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Ne zabavno kao Facebook-selfie-
s-Lady-Gagom-na-tajnom-tulumu,
s-Lady-Gagom-na-tajnom-tulumu,
03:17
I'm talking about the kind of fun
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govorim o vrsti zabave
03:19
where people enjoy
each other's company effortlessly.
each other's company effortlessly.
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u kojoj ljudi uživaju u društvu
jedni drugih bez napora.
jedni drugih bez napora.
03:23
Nobody feels awkward,
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Nitko se ne osjeća nelagodno
03:24
and no one accuses the sad person
of ruining the holidays.
of ruining the holidays.
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i nitko ne optužuje tužnu osobu
da je upropastila blagdane.
da je upropastila blagdane.
03:30
Why does this chasm even exist?
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Zašto taj jaz uopće postoji?
03:33
On the one side,
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S jedne strane,
03:35
you have people living with depression
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imate ljude koji žive s depresijom
03:37
who may act in off-putting
or confusing ways
or confusing ways
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koji se možda ponašaju
neugodno ili zbunjujuće
neugodno ili zbunjujuće
03:40
because they're fighting
a war in their head
a war in their head
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jer u svojoj glavi vode rat
03:43
that nobody else can see.
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koji nitko drugi ne vidi.
03:45
On the other side,
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S druge strane,
03:48
the vast majority of people
look across the chasm
look across the chasm
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velika većina ljudi gleda preko jaza
03:51
and shake their heads,
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i okreće glavom,
03:52
like, "Why you gotta be so depressed?"
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kao, "Zašto moraš biti tako depresivan?"
03:56
You may recognize
a divide like this in your life.
a divide like this in your life.
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Možda prepoznate
takvu podjelu u svojem životu.
takvu podjelu u svojem životu.
04:01
Do you want to build a bridge across it?
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Želite li sagraditi most preko nje?
04:03
You may not want to build a bridge --
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Možda ne želite sagraditi most,
04:05
and that's a totally valid choice.
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što je posve opravdan izbor.
04:09
Or maybe you'd like to build
a stronger connection,
a stronger connection,
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Ili biste htjeli izgraditi snažniju vezu,
04:12
but you have a lot
of questions and concerns.
of questions and concerns.
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ali imate puno pitanja i briga.
04:17
You're what I might call "bridge curious."
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Vi ste ono što bih ja nazvao
"zainteresirani za most".
"zainteresirani za most".
04:20
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:24
Here are some possible reasons
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Evo nekih mogućih razloga
04:26
why some of you
may avoid depressed people.
may avoid depressed people.
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zašto bi neki od vas
izbjegavali depresivne ljude.
izbjegavali depresivne ljude.
04:29
You might be afraid
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Možda se bojite
04:31
that if you talk to somebody
while they're depressed,
while they're depressed,
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da ako razgovarate s nekim
tko je depresivan,
tko je depresivan,
04:33
you're suddenly responsible
for their well-being.
for their well-being.
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odjednom ste odgovorni
za njegovu dobrobit.
za njegovu dobrobit.
04:37
You're not expected to be Dr. Phil.
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Nitko ne očekuje da budete dr. Phil.
04:40
Just be friendly --
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Samo budite srdačni,
04:42
more like Ellen.
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više kao Ellen.
04:43
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:47
You may worry that you won't
know what to say,
know what to say,
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Možda se brinete da nećete znati
što biste rekli,
što biste rekli,
04:50
and every attempt
at conversation will be awkward,
at conversation will be awkward,
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da će svaki pokušaj razgovora biti čudan,
04:55
and the only time you'll feel comfortable
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da ćete se osjećati ugodno jedino
04:57
is when you both just give up on talking
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kad oboje odustanete od pričanja
04:59
and stare at your phones.
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i zagledate se u svoj telefon.
05:02
Words are not the most important
thing to focus on.
thing to focus on.
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Riječi nisu najvažnije stvari
na koje se trebate usredotočiti.
na koje se trebate usredotočiti.
05:07
You might fear seeing your shadow.
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Možda se bojite svoje sjene.
05:12
Hey, if you have been
successfully outrunning
successfully outrunning
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Hej, ako uspješno bježite
05:15
your personal emotional demons,
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od svojih osobnih emocionalnih demona,
05:18
that's awesome.
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to je odlično.
05:20
May the wind be at your back.
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Želim vam vjetar u leđa.
05:22
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:23
You can be the least
woo-woo person in the world
woo-woo person in the world
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Čak i ako niste nimalo lakovjerna osoba,
05:27
and still connect with depressed people.
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možete razgovarati s depresivnim ljudima.
05:30
Maybe you've heard
that depression is contagious,
that depression is contagious,
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Možda ste čuli da je depresija zarazna
05:33
and you're afraid of catching it.
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i bojite se da ćete je dobiti.
05:35
Bring some hand sanitizer.
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Donesite malo gela za dezinfekciju.
05:37
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:38
You're much more likely to catch
the joy of human bonding.
the joy of human bonding.
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Prije ćete dobiti radost
ljudskog povezivanja.
ljudskog povezivanja.
05:43
Maybe you see
depressed people differently.
depressed people differently.
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Možda drugačije vidite depresivne ljude.
05:45
You think of them as flawed or defective.
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Mislite da su manjkavi i oštećeni.
05:50
Multiple university studies have shown
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Nekoliko je sveučilišnih studija pokazalo
05:53
that A students are more likely
to have bipolar condition.
to have bipolar condition.
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da će odlikaši prije imati
bipolarni poremećaj.
bipolarni poremećaj.
05:58
Our brains aren't broken or damaged,
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Naši mozgovi nisu neispravni ili oštećeni,
06:01
they just work differently.
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samo rade drugačije.
06:03
I spent a lot of years thinking
happy people just don't get it.
happy people just don't get it.
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Nekoliko godina sam mislio
da sretni ljudi jednostavno ne razumiju.
da sretni ljudi jednostavno ne razumiju.
06:09
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:10
I did eventually stop
discriminating against happy people --
discriminating against happy people --
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S vremenom sam prestao
diskriminirati sretne ljude.
diskriminirati sretne ljude.
06:14
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:18
I began battling depression
when I was eight,
when I was eight,
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Počeo sam bitku s depresijom
kad sam imao osam godina
kad sam imao osam godina
06:21
and decades later, to my surprise,
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i desetljećima poslije,
na moje iznenađenje,
na moje iznenađenje,
06:23
I started winning.
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počeo sam pobjeđivati.
06:25
I shifted from being miserable
much of the time
much of the time
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Pomaknuo sam se sa stalnog osjećaja bijede
06:29
to enjoying life.
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do uživanja u životu.
06:31
I live pretty well
with my bipolar condition,
with my bipolar condition,
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Živim prilično dobro sa svojm bipolarnošću
06:34
and I've overcome some other
mental health conditions
mental health conditions
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i nadvladao sam neke druge
mentalne bolesti,
mentalne bolesti,
06:36
like overeating, addiction
and social anxiety.
and social anxiety.
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kao prejedanje, ovisnost
i socijalnu anksioznost.
i socijalnu anksioznost.
06:40
So I live on both sides of this chasm.
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Tako da živim na obje strane ovog jaza.
06:44
And I'm offering some guidance
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I nudim smjernice
06:49
based on my experience
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koje se temelje na mom iskustvu
06:52
to help you build a bridge across it
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da vam pomognem
izgraditi most preko njega,
izgraditi most preko njega,
06:54
if you want to.
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ako želite.
06:56
It's not hard science,
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To nije teška nauka,
06:58
but I worked with a lot people
I know who've lived with depression
I know who've lived with depression
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ali sam radio s puno ljudi
za koje znam da imaju depresiju,
za koje znam da imaju depresiju,
07:02
to refine these suggestions.
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kako bih doradio ove prijedloge.
07:06
First up, some things
you might want to avoid --
you might want to avoid --
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Prvo, nešto što želite izbjeći,
07:08
some "don'ts."
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nekoliko "nemojte".
07:11
One of the most off-putting
things you can say is,
things you can say is,
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Jedna od najgorih stvari
koje možete reći je:
koje možete reći je:
07:14
"Just get over it."
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"Samo preboli to."
07:17
Great idea -- love it,
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Odlična ideja, sviđa mi se,
07:19
it's just we already thought of that.
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samo što smo se već sjetili toga.
07:21
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
07:28
The absence of the ability
to just get over it is depression.
to just get over it is depression.
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Odsutnost sposobnosti da se
preboli jest depresija.
preboli jest depresija.
07:32
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
07:36
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
07:41
We feel it in our bodies --
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Osjećamo to u tijelu,
07:44
it's a physical thing for us.
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za nas je to fizički.
07:47
And medically it's no different
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I medicinski se ne razlikuje od toga
07:49
from telling someone
with a broken ankle or cancer,
with a broken ankle or cancer,
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da osobi slomljenog
gležnja ili s rakom kažete,
gležnja ili s rakom kažete,
07:51
"just get over it."
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"Ma, preboli to."
07:56
Don't be hell-bent on fixing us.
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Nemojte si zacrtati da nas popravite.
07:59
Like, thank you, but ...
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Kao, hvala, ali...
08:03
the pressure can make us depressed people
feel like we're disappointing you.
feel like we're disappointing you.
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zbog pritiska se mi, depresivne osobe,
osjećamo kao da smo vas razočarali.
osjećamo kao da smo vas razočarali.
08:08
Also, things that make
some people feel better
some people feel better
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Također, stvari zbog kojih se
neki ljudi osjećaju bolje
neki ljudi osjećaju bolje
08:11
may not work for us.
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možda ne vrijede za nas.
08:13
You can't cure clinical depression
by getting ice cream ...
by getting ice cream ...
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Ne možete izliječiti
kliničku depresiju sladoledom...
kliničku depresiju sladoledom...
08:17
which is unfortunate, because
that would be living the dream.
that would be living the dream.
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što je šteta, jer to bi bio život.
08:21
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
08:25
Don't take a negative response personally.
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Nemojte negativni odgovor shvaćati osobno.
08:31
So, I have a friend who, about a year ago,
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Dakle, imam prijatelja koji mi je,
prije otprilike godinu dana,
prije otprilike godinu dana,
08:34
messaged me that he was really
isolated and depressed.
isolated and depressed.
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poslao poruku da je stvarno
izoliran i depresivan.
izoliran i depresivan.
08:38
And I suggested some things for him to do,
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Predložio sam mu neke stvari
koje može raditi,
koje može raditi,
08:41
and he was like, "No, no and no."
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a on je odgovorio: "Ne, ne i ne."
08:43
And I got mad,
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Naljutio sam se,
08:44
like, how dare he not embrace
my brilliant wisdom?
my brilliant wisdom?
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jer, kako se usuđuje ne prihvatiti
moju izvanrednu mudrost?
moju izvanrednu mudrost?
08:48
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
08:50
And then I remembered
times I've been depressed,
times I've been depressed,
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Onda sam se sjetio
kad sam ja bio depresivan,
kad sam ja bio depresivan,
08:53
and how I thought I was doomed
in all possible futures,
in all possible futures,
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mislio sam da sam osuđen na propast
u svim mogućim budućnostima,
u svim mogućim budućnostima,
08:58
or everybody suddenly hated me,
and things like that.
and things like that.
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ili da me odjednom svi mrze,
i takve stvari.
i takve stvari.
09:03
It didn't matter how many people
told me otherwise --
told me otherwise --
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Nije bilo važno koliko ljudi
mi je reklo suprotno,
mi je reklo suprotno,
09:06
I didn't believe them.
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nisam im vjerovao.
09:09
So I let my friend know I cared,
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Rekao sam prijatelju da mi je stalo
09:12
and I didn't take it personally.
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i nisam to shvatio osobno.
09:15
Don't let a lack of bubbly
happiness freak you out.
happiness freak you out.
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Nemojte da vas nedostatak
prštave sreće izbezumi.
prštave sreće izbezumi.
09:21
It's not a shark attack.
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To nije napad morskog psa.
09:23
"Call the coast guard, my friend is sad!"
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"Zovite obalnu stražu,
moj prijatelj je tužan!"
moj prijatelj je tužan!"
09:26
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
09:28
We can be sad and OK at the same time.
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Možemo biti tužni i OK u isto vrijeme.
09:32
I'm going to say that again,
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Reći ću to opet,
09:34
because in our society,
we're taught the opposite,
we're taught the opposite,
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jer nas u našem društvu uče suprotno,
09:37
and so it's counterintuitive.
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pa nije intuitivno.
09:40
People can be sad and OK at the same time.
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Ljudi mogu biti tužni i OK u isto vrijeme.
09:45
So some of these things may apply
to you personally, some may not.
to you personally, some may not.
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Nešto od ovoga može se odnositi
na vas osobno, nešto ne može.
na vas osobno, nešto ne može.
09:48
Take what's useful.
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Uzmite što je korisno.
09:50
And remember, you don't have to connect.
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I zapamtite, ne morate se povezati.
09:55
If you want to,
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Ako želite,
09:57
here are some suggestions that may help --
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evo nekih prijedloga koji mogu pomoći,
09:59
some "dos."
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nekoliko "smiješ".
10:01
Talk to us in your natural voice, right?
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Pričajte s nama vašim
prirodnim glasom, dobro?
prirodnim glasom, dobro?
10:04
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:06
You don't need to put on a sad voice
because we're depressed --
because we're depressed --
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Ne morate uključiti tužni glas
jer smo depresivni,
jer smo depresivni,
10:12
you don't sneeze when you're talking
to somebody with a cold.
to somebody with a cold.
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ne kišete kad pričate
s prehlađenom osobom.
s prehlađenom osobom.
10:15
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:18
It's not rude to be upbeat.
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Nije nepristojno biti veseo.
10:20
You can be you, OK?
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Vi možete biti vi, OK?
10:23
If you make an offer to be there for us,
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Ako se ponudite da budete tu za nas,
10:26
clearly state what you can and can't do.
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jasno recite što možete
i što ne možete učiniti.
i što ne možete učiniti.
10:29
I have told people,
"Hey, call or text any time,
"Hey, call or text any time,
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Kažem ljudima "Hej, zovi
ili pošalji poruku bilo kad,
ili pošalji poruku bilo kad,
10:32
but I might not be able
to get back to you that same day."
to get back to you that same day."
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ali možda ti neću moći
odgovoriti isti dan."
odgovoriti isti dan."
10:36
It's totally cool to not make an offer,
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Posve je u redu ako ne ponudite pomoć,
10:39
or to make a narrow offer
with really clear boundaries around it.
with really clear boundaries around it.
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ili je ponudite malo,
s jasnim granicama oko nje.
s jasnim granicama oko nje.
10:45
Give us a sense of control.
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Dajte nam osjećaj kontrole.
10:50
Like, get our consent.
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Kao, naš pristanak.
10:52
I have a friend who, a while back,
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Imam prijateljicu koja je,
prije nekog vremena,
prije nekog vremena,
10:55
when I was having a depressive episode,
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kad sam imao depresivnu epizodu,
10:57
reached out and said,
"Hey, I want to check in with you.
"Hey, I want to check in with you.
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pružila ruku i rekla,
"Hej, htjela bih da se čujemo.
"Hej, htjela bih da se čujemo.
11:00
Can I call you every day?
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Smijem nazvati svaki dan?
11:01
Maybe text you every day
and call later in the week?
and call later in the week?
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Ili poslati poruku svaki dan,
a zvati krajem tjedna?
a zvati krajem tjedna?
11:03
What works for you?"
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Što ti odgovara?"
11:06
By getting my permission,
she earned my complete confidence
she earned my complete confidence
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Pitajući me za dopuštenje,
zaslužila je moje potpuno povjerenje
zaslužila je moje potpuno povjerenje
11:09
and remains one of my best friends today.
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i ostala do danas
jedna od najboljih prijatelja.
jedna od najboljih prijatelja.
11:14
And my last suggestion is:
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A moj zadnji prijedlog je:
11:17
interact about not depression,
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razgovarajte o ne-depresiji,
11:20
aka, normal stuff.
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to jest, normalnim stvarima.
11:22
I have a friend who,
when people were worried about him,
when people were worried about him,
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Imam prijatelja koji,
kad su ljudi bili zabrinuti za njega,
kad su ljudi bili zabrinuti za njega,
11:26
they would call and ask
if he wanted to go shopping
if he wanted to go shopping
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nazvali su ga i pitali ga
želi li ići u kupovinu
želi li ići u kupovinu
11:29
or help them clean out their garage.
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ili pomoći im počistiti garažu.
11:31
Your depressed friends
could be a good source of free labor --
could be a good source of free labor --
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Vaši depresivni prijatelji su
dobra besplatna radna snaga.
dobra besplatna radna snaga.
11:34
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:44
What I'm really getting at is,
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Zapravo želim reći da,
11:47
invite them to contribute
to your life in some way,
to your life in some way,
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pozovite ih da doprinesu
vašem životu na neki način,
vašem životu na neki način,
11:52
even if it's as small
as asking you to go see a movie
as asking you to go see a movie
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čak i ako je sitno,
kao poziv za gledanje filma
kao poziv za gledanje filma
11:56
that you wanted to see in the theater.
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kojeg ste htjeli pogledati u kinu.
11:59
So that's a lot
of dos and don'ts and maybes,
of dos and don'ts and maybes,
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To je puno "smiješ"
i "ne smiješ" i "možda",
i "ne smiješ" i "možda",
12:03
and it's not by any means
a definitive list.
a definitive list.
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i nikako nije gotov popis.
12:08
The thing to remember
is that they're all grounded
is that they're all grounded
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Trebate zapamtiti da su svi utemeljeni
12:10
in one guiding principle.
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na jednom vodećem načelu.
12:13
It's what allowed the woman
in the Jeep Wrangler
in the Jeep Wrangler
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Zbog toga me je žena u Jeep Wrangleru
12:17
to start me on the path to recovery
without even trying.
without even trying.
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navela na put oporavka,
a da se nije trudila.
a da se nije trudila.
12:21
She talked to me like I belonged
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Razgovarala je sa mnom kao da pripadam
12:25
and contributed exactly as I was
at that moment.
at that moment.
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i doprinosim takav kakav jesam
u tom trenutku.
u tom trenutku.
12:31
If you talk to a depressed person
as if their life is just as valuable,
as if their life is just as valuable,
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Ako razgovarate s depresivnom osobom
kao da je njihov život jednako vrijedan,
kao da je njihov život jednako vrijedan,
12:35
intense and beautiful as yours,
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izražajan i prekrasan kao vaš,
12:38
then there's no need
to build a bridge between you,
to build a bridge between you,
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tada nema potrebe
da gradite most između vas
da gradite most između vas
12:42
because you've closed the chasm.
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jer ste zatvorili jaz.
12:45
Focus on that instead of your words,
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Usredotočite se na to,
a ne na vaše riječi
a ne na vaše riječi
12:51
and it may be the most uplifting
conversation of their life.
conversation of their life.
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i možda to bude najvredniji
razgovor u vašem životu.
razgovor u vašem životu.
12:56
What could that do
for somebody you care about?
for somebody you care about?
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Što bi to moglo značiti za
nekoga do koga vam je stalo?
nekoga do koga vam je stalo?
13:00
What could it do for you?
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Što bi to moglo značiti za vas?
13:03
Thank you.
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Hvala.
13:04
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Bill Bernat - Mental health awareness advocateBill Bernat is a recovering addict living with bipolar condition who advocates for mental health awareness through speaking, comedy and storytelling.
Why you should listen
Bill Bernatleads storytelling workshops and fundraisers for nonprofit organizations including the National Alliance on Mental Illness. He has appeared on Comedy Central and The Moth Radio Hour. He has worked as a computer programmer at NASA and helped take LookSmart public as an engineering leader. He currently works as a content marketing director for Adaptiva.
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