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Sarah Jones: One woman, five characters, and a sex lesson from the future
萨拉·琼斯: 一个女人, 五个角色, 和 一堂未来的性教育课
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在这一场演出，萨拉·琼斯扮演老师的角色为您带来了一堂未来的性教育课， 她演示了2016年记录下的人格们对性工作的不同观点。老师用不同的道具，扮演了一位年老的家庭主妇、一位修 “性工作研究”的学生、一位护送、一名当过修女的妓女和一个在脱衣舞俱乐部庆祝他单身派对的男子。这种对禁忌话题耐人寻味的看法，会颠覆社会对性的观点和风俗。
Sarah Jones - Polymorphic playwright
Tony Award-winning monologist, UNICEF ambassador, firebrand and FCC-fighting poet -- Sarah Jones assumes as many roles offstage as on. Full bio
Tony Award-winning monologist, UNICEF ambassador, firebrand and FCC-fighting poet -- Sarah Jones assumes as many roles offstage as on. Full bio
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00:12
This is a play called "Sell/Buy/Date."
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这是一部叫做《销售、购买、日期》的话剧。
00:14
It's my first since "Bridge and Tunnel,"
which I did on Broadway,
which I did on Broadway,
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这是我继百老汇的《桥梁和隧道》后的
又一部话剧。
00:17
and this one, I -- thank you --
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并且这一部，我--谢谢--
00:21
I've excerpted it just for you,
so here we go.
so here we go.
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我专门为你们选了几段，所以我们开始吧。
00:29
Right. Class, let's be absolutely certain
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好的。同学们，在开始之前，
00:32
all electronic devices are switched off
before we begin.
before we begin.
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请确保将你的所有电子设备都已关掉。
00:38
So class, hopefully you'll recognize
what you just heard me say as the -- ?
what you just heard me say as the -- ?
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好了同学们，
希望你们刚才已经听出了我说的是什么。
00:43
Very good, the cellular
phone announcement.
phone announcement.
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非常好，就是手机公告。
00:47
Right? This was also known
as a mobile phone.
as a mobile phone.
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对吧？以前这也被称为移动电话。
00:51
So you'll remember, people of that era
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要知道，那个年代的人们
00:53
would have had an external
electronic device, right,
electronic device, right,
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都有一部外部电子设备，是的，
00:58
something like this,
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就像这种的，
01:00
and they all would have carried
one of these around with them,
one of these around with them,
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他们会随身携带这个东西，
01:03
and amongst their biggest fears
was the sheer mortification
was the sheer mortification
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而使他们最害怕的事之一就是这东西有时
01:06
that one of these might ring
at some inopportune moment.
at some inopportune moment.
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会不合时宜地响起而导致了极度得尴尬。
01:10
Right? So a bit of trivia
about that era for you.
about that era for you.
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对吧？这就是那个年代的一些麻烦事。
01:12
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:15
So the format of today's class is
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今天的课程安排是
01:17
I will be presenting multiple
BERT modules today
BERT modules today
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我会展示大量的BERT模块，
01:21
from that period in history, right,
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这些模块都是来自历史上的那一时期，
01:24
so starting circa 2016.
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大概就是从2016年开始的。
01:26
And remember, this was
the very first year of the BERT program.
the very first year of the BERT program.
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请记住，是BERT项目在这一年开始实施。
01:31
So we've got quite a few
of these to get through.
of these to get through.
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所以我们拿到了不少的资料来了解这些。
01:33
Bear in mind, I will be living
into various different bodies,
into various different bodies,
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也请记住，
01:37
different ages,
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我会附身在各种不同的身体里，
01:39
also what were then called races,
or ethnic groups,
or ethnic groups,
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他们有年龄之分，所谓的种族，民族之分，
01:43
as you'll remember from Unit 1.
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这就是我们第一单元将会学到的。
01:45
And -- (Laughter) -- and along
the gender continuum,
the gender continuum,
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并且由于性别为连续统一体，
01:48
I will be living into males as well.
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我也会变成男人。
01:51
It was quite binary at that time.
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那时候普遍为二进制。
01:52
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:54
Also, don't forget, we are reading
the book module
the book module
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也请不要忘了，我们正在阅读这本书中
01:57
for next week's focus on gender.
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下星期将集中讨论的关于性别的部分。
01:59
Now, I know some of you
have requested the book in pill form.
have requested the book in pill form.
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我知道你们有些把读书当作良药。
02:03
I know people still believe
ingesting it is better for retention,
ingesting it is better for retention,
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我知道人们仍旧相信通过咀嚼吸收
可以获得更好的记忆，
02:08
but since we are trying to experience
what our forebears did, right,
what our forebears did, right,
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但是考虑到我们目前
是想要体验我们的祖先的经历，对吧，
02:13
let's please just consider doing
the actual ocular reading, okay?
the actual ocular reading, okay?
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所以我们就通过
实际的视觉阅读这种方式，好吗？
02:19
And also, how many people
have your emotional shunts engaged?
have your emotional shunts engaged?
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呃。有多少人被正忙于其他事的？
02:24
Right. Please toggle them off. Okay?
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好的。麻烦把它们都放在一边。好吗？
02:26
I know it's challenging, but I want you
to be able to feel the entire
to be able to feel the entire
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我知道这有点难度，但是我希望
02:31
natural emo range, all right?
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你们能够感受到整个自然的情绪，好吧？
02:33
It is essential to this
part of the syllabus.
part of the syllabus.
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这是这个课程的特别重要的部分。
02:37
Yes, Macy?
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什么，梅西？
02:39
All right. I understand.
If you're unwilling to --
If you're unwilling to --
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好吧。我理解。如果你们不愿意--
02:43
All right, well, we can discuss
that after class.
that after class.
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好吧，我们可以下课后讨论一下。
02:45
All right, we will discuss your concerns.
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我们会就你的考虑讨论一下。
02:48
Just relax. Nobody's died
and gone to composting.
and gone to composting.
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放松。没有人去世。
02:52
Okay. After class. Okay? After class.
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好吧。课后讨论。好吗？课后讨论。
02:57
Let's just get started, okay.
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让我们开始吧。
02:59
This first subject identified
as a middle-class homemaker.
as a middle-class homemaker.
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第一个出场人物
是一位中产阶级的家庭主妇。
03:05
Remember, these early modules
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请注意，
03:07
in these people's full identities
were protected,
were protected,
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这些人的真实身份是保密的，
03:11
and this allowed them to speak
more freely on our topic,
more freely on our topic,
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这也让他们能够
更自由地针对我们的话题发表言论，
03:15
which for many of them was taboo.
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而这种行为在当时大多是不被允许的。
03:20
Okay honey, now,
I'm ready when you are.
I'm ready when you are.
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好吧，亲爱的，我现在已经准备好了。
03:23
No, sweetheart, I said,
I'm ready when you are.
I'm ready when you are.
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哦，不不，亲爱的，
我说，我现在已经准备好了。
03:28
I'm freezing.
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我快冻僵了。
03:30
It's like a meat locker in here
in this recording studio.
in this recording studio.
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这个录音室跟个冷冻柜似的。
03:33
I should have brought a shmata.
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我应该带条毯子过来的。
03:35
All this fancy technology
but they can't afford heat.
but they can't afford heat.
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高科技有屁用连暖气都没有。
03:40
What is he saying? I can't hear you!
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他说什么？我听不清！
03:43
I can't hear you
through the glass, honey!
through the glass, honey!
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我没法透过玻璃听到你，亲爱的！
03:46
There you are in my ear.
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听到了。
03:49
Oh, you can hear me?
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噢，你能听到我吗？
03:51
The whole time.
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一直。
03:53
Oh, yes, I am a little chilly.
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好的，噢，我真有点冷。
03:57
Yes, oh the cold is for the machines,
the new technology. Okay.
the new technology. Okay.
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因为这个机器，这些新科技。好吧。
04:03
Yes, now remind me again, you're recording
not only my voice but my feelings
not only my voice but my feelings
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我再问一下，你正在记录的不只是
04:09
and my memories? Right.
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我的声音还有我的情感与记忆，对吧？
04:12
Yes, BERT, yes, I read about it.
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好的，BERT，我读过有关它的资料。
04:14
Bio-Empathetic Resonant Technology.
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生物移情谐振技术。
04:17
Right, right, so people will be able
to feel my experience
to feel my experience
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所以人们可以
04:22
and my memory? Okay.
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对我的经历与记忆感同身受，对吗？好吧。
04:24
No, right, I'm ready.
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是的，我已经准备好了。
04:25
I just thought you were going to give me
a test to see how my memory's doing.
a test to see how my memory's doing.
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我只是以为你会
测试一下我的记忆是如何运行的。
04:30
I was going to tell you you're too late,
it's already bad news.
it's already bad news.
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我就是想告诉你，
你太晚了，就只剩坏消息了。
04:34
No, no, go ahead, honey.
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不不，继续，亲爱的。
04:37
Oh, that's the first question?
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这是第一个问题？
04:39
What do I think of prostitution?
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我是如何看待卖淫的？
04:43
Are you soliciting me, young man?
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你是要找我做生意吗，年轻人？
04:47
I've heard of May-December romances,
but what are you, about 20 years old?
but what are you, about 20 years old?
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我是听过忘年恋啦，
但是你几岁了，有20岁了吗？
04:53
Eighteen? Eighteen years.
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18？好吧，18岁。
04:54
I think I have candies in my purse
older than 18 years old.
older than 18 years old.
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我18岁的时候钱包里还有糖果呢。
05:00
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
05:04
I'm teasing you, sweetheart.
No, I'm comfortable with any question.
No, I'm comfortable with any question.
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我在开你玩笑呢，亲爱的。
不，我接受任何问题。
05:09
Sure. So about the prostitution --
oh, sex worker, sex worker.
oh, sex worker, sex worker.
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当然。所以关于卖淫--
噢，是性工作者，性工作者。
05:15
No, just in my day, they called it
prostitution, not sex work.
prostitution, not sex work.
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是的，在我们那个年代，
我们就叫卖淫，不是什么性工作者。
05:19
Oh, because it includes pornography also?
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因为那也包括色情书刊？
05:22
Okay.
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好吧。
05:24
No, well, I guess when I was a girl,
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好吧，我觉得当我还是个小姑娘的时候，
05:26
we didn't really have
a name for that either.
a name for that either.
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那个根本没有什么名字。
05:29
We would have said dirty magazines,
I suppose, or dirty movies.
I suppose, or dirty movies.
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我们说过色情杂志，我想，或是色情电影。
05:34
Well, it's not like what you have
with the Internet.
with the Internet.
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这跟网上的完全不一样。
05:38
No, well, I don't mind sharing.
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我不介意分享给你我的经历。
05:41
My late husband and I,
we were a very romantic couple.
we were a very romantic couple.
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我和我去世的丈夫是非常恩爱的一对。
05:47
Lots of tenderness, you understand.
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充满着柔情，你要知道。
05:51
Well, as you get older, you know,
at one point I thought my husband
at one point I thought my husband
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当你年纪变大了，在某一时刻我觉得
05:55
might be helped by using
some of the pills men can take,
some of the pills men can take,
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我的丈夫需要借助一些药物来帮忙，
06:01
but he wasn't interested in those,
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但是他对这个不感兴趣，
06:04
so I thought, what about maybe
watching an adult movie on the Internet?
watching an adult movie on the Internet?
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于是我想，那在网上看部成人电影？
06:10
Just for inspiration, you understand.
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你懂的，就是想要一些刺激，灵感什么的。
06:13
Well, at the time, neither of us
were very good on the computer,
were very good on the computer,
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但是那时候，我们两个都不太会用电脑。
06:18
so usually, if we needed help
with the Internet,
with the Internet,
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平常，我们都是找
06:21
we would just call our children
or our grandchildren,
or our grandchildren,
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我们的孩子或是孙子孙女们来帮我们，
06:26
but obviously, in this case,
that wasn't an option,
that wasn't an option,
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但显然，这种情况，
这绝不是一个好的办法，
06:30
so I thought, I'll have
a look myself, just to see.
a look myself, just to see.
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于是我决定靠我自己，就只是看看。
06:35
How difficult could it be?
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又能难到哪里呢?
06:38
You search for certain key words
and you look --
and you look --
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你打一些关键词上去--
06:41
Oh wow is right, young man.
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噢，是的，年轻人。
06:43
You can't imagine what I saw.
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你根本想象不到我看到了什么。
06:46
Well, first of all, I was just trying
to find, you know, couples,
to find, you know, couples,
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刚开始，我就是想找一些，呃，情侣，
06:51
normal couples making love,
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正常的情侣，
06:55
but this, so many people
together at one time.
together at one time.
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但是却看到了许多人在一起做那种事。
06:59
You couldn't tell which part
belonged to which body.
belonged to which body.
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你根本分不清哪个部位属于哪个人。
07:03
How they even got the cameras to
capture some of this, I couldn't tell you.
capture some of this, I couldn't tell you.
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他们竟然还用相机拍这些。
07:07
But the one thing they didn't capture
was making love.
was making love.
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但有一样东西他们是没有的--爱。
07:14
There was lots of making of something,
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他们确实是在……比如说找乐子，
07:19
but they took the love part
right out of it, you know, the fun.
right out of it, you know, the fun.
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但是他们把爱抽离了出来。
07:23
It was all very extreme, you know?
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那很极端，你知道吗？
07:27
Like you would say,
with the extreme sports.
with the extreme sports.
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就像你说的，像是极限运动。
07:31
Lots of endurance,
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特别的持久，
07:34
but never tenderness.
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但是没有温情。
07:37
So anyway, needless to say,
that was $19.95 I'll never get back again,
that was $19.95 I'll never get back again,
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不用说，
我不可能把那19.95刀拿回来，
07:44
but it only showed up on the credit card
as "entertainment services,"
as "entertainment services,"
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但是信用卡记录上只是显示为
“娱乐服务”，
07:48
so my husband was never the wiser,
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我丈夫仍然一无所知，
07:51
and after all of that,
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07:55
well, you could say it turned out
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你也可以说他不需要额外的刺激。
07:57
he didn't need the extra
inspiration after all.
inspiration after all.
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08:03
Right, so next subject is a young woman
-- (Applause) --
-- (Applause) --
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好的，下一位是一位年轻女性
08:07
Next subject, class,
is a young woman called Bella,
is a young woman called Bella,
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下一位，同学们，
是一位叫做贝拉的年轻女性，
08:10
a university student interviewed in 2016
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2016年她被采访时还是一名大学生，
08:14
during what was called
an Intro to Feminist Porn class
an Intro to Feminist Porn class
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她在湾区的一所大学的
08:18
as part of her major in sex work
at a college in the Bay Area.
at a college in the Bay Area.
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性工作专业主修女性主义情色入门。
08:23
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
08:26
Yeah, I just want to, like,
get a recording of, like,
get a recording of, like,
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我只是想让你们来拍我,
08:29
you guys recording me,
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08:31
like a meta recording, or whatever.
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无论什么。
08:34
It's just like this whole experience
is just, like, really amazing,
is just, like, really amazing,
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这个经历真的是，真的是特别神奇，
08:38
and I'd like to capture that
for, like, Instagram and my Tumblr.
for, like, Instagram and my Tumblr.
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我要拍下来发布到
Instagram和Tumblr上去。
08:42
So, like, hi guys, it's me, Bella,
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嗨，同志们，是我哦，贝拉，
08:45
and I am, like, being
interviewed right now
interviewed right now
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我正在，呃，
08:49
for this, like, really amazing
Bio-Empathetic Resonance Technology,
Bio-Empathetic Resonance Technology,
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因为这个神奇的生物移情谐振技术
而接受采访，
08:55
which is, like, basically where they are,
like, recording, as you can see
like, recording, as you can see
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这个技术就是，呃，就是主要记录
09:01
from these, whatever, like, electrodes,
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你看到的这些，呃，还有什么电极啦，
09:03
the formation of, like, neuropeptides
in my hippocampus, or whatever.
in my hippocampus, or whatever.
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呃，我的海马体处的
神经肽的集合处什么什么的，
反正就这些乱七八糟的。
09:10
They will later be able
to reconstitute these
to reconstitute these
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他们之后会重组这些东西
09:12
as, like, my own actual memory,
like actual experiences,
like actual experiences,
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以形成我自己实实在在的记忆，
实实在在的经历，
09:19
so other people can, like,
actually feel what I'm feeling right now.
actually feel what I'm feeling right now.
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这样人们就能切身地感受到我现在的感受。
09:24
Okay. Okay.
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好吧。好吧。
09:26
So, like, hello, BERT person of the future
who is experiencing me.
who is experiencing me.
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呃，嗨，正在体验我的感受的未来的人们。
09:32
This is what it feels like to be,
like, a college freshman,
like, a college freshman,
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你们一定感觉，呃，自己就是个大学新生，
09:36
and also the, like, headache
that you are experiencing through me
that you are experiencing through me
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你们也应该感受到我正在经历的头痛，
09:41
is the, like, residual effect
of the Jell-O shots which I had last night
of the Jell-O shots which I had last night
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这，呃，应该是昨晚我在
09:48
at the bi-weekly feminist
pole dancing party
pole dancing party
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由我主持的每隔两周
就在星期三晚上举办一次的
09:51
which I cohost on Wednesdays.
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女性钢管舞派对上
喝多了果冻甜酒的后遗症吧。
09:54
It's called "Don't Get All Pole-emical" --
(Laughter) --
(Laughter) --
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这派对叫“不要拿所有的钢管”
09:57
and it's in Beekman Hall,
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就在比克曼大厅举办，
10:02
and, what else, like,
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呃，还有什么呢，
10:04
non-Jell-O shots are also
available for vegans,
available for vegans,
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噢，我们也为素食主义者
准备了没有果冻的甜酒，
10:08
and, oh, okay, yeah, totally, yeah, we
should also focus on your questions also.
should also focus on your questions also.
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好，好，好，是的，
对，我应该回答你的问题。
10:17
So for your record, I am, like,
a sex work studies major
a sex work studies major
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为了让你更好的记录我的档案，
那么，我是一名主修性工作，
10:22
but minoring in social media
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并辅修社交媒体
10:24
with a concentration
on notable YouTube memes.
on notable YouTube memes.
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尤其是值得注意的视频模因。
10:27
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
10:30
Yes, well, of course, like,
I consider myself to be, like,
I consider myself to be, like,
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当然了，显然
10:33
obviously, like, a feminist.
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我是一个女性主义者。
10:35
I was named for Bella Abzug,
who was, like, a famous, like,
who was, like, a famous, like,
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我被父母取名为贝拉·艾布札格，
10:40
feminist from history,
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与历史上一位有名的，
呃，女权主义者同名，
10:42
and, like, also I feel that it is, like,
important to, like, represent women
important to, like, represent women
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而且，呃，我也认为代表，呃，
10:49
who are, like, sex-positive feminists.
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那些对性正面开放的女性主义者们
是很重要的。
10:54
What is sex-negative?
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你问我什么是对性消极？
10:56
Well, like, I guess I would ask,
like, what do you think
like, what do you think
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呃，我想先了解你认为
11:01
sex-negative is? (Laughter)
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怎样才算对性是消极的？（笑声）
11:04
Yeah, because, like, the terms that we use
are, like, so important, because, like,
are, like, so important, because, like,
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哈哈，因为，呃，我们
对这个工作的称呼是非常重要的，
11:09
we call it sex work because it helps
people understand that, like, it's work,
people understand that, like, it's work,
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因为，呃，因为我们称它为性工作
是因为它能让人们明白那就是一种工作，
11:16
and, like, you know, just like there are,
like, healthcare providers
like, healthcare providers
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呃，就像是，呃，卫生保健提供者
11:21
and, like, insurance providers,
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和保险提供者，
11:23
like, we think of these workers
as, like, sex care providers.
as, like, sex care providers.
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所以我们将这些人都看作是性保健提供者。
11:30
Yeah, but like, I don't think of myself
like, providing direct
like, providing direct
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是的，但是我自己本身
不会提供直接的性保健服务，
11:34
sex care services per se as, like,
being a requirement
being a requirement
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我应该就是对这种工作表示支持。
11:38
for me to be, like, an advocate.
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11:40
Like, I support other women's right
to choose it voluntarily, like,
to choose it voluntarily, like,
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比如我会拥护其他女性
自愿选择从事这门工作的权利，
11:44
if they enjoy it.
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如果她们是真心喜欢的。
11:46
Yeah, but, like, I see
myself going forward
myself going forward
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但是我自己可能在这方面更往前了一步，
11:49
as more likely, like,
protecting sex workers',
protecting sex workers',
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呃，保护她们的合法权利和自由。
11:53
like, legal freedoms and rights.
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11:56
Yeah, so, like, basically,
I'm planning on becoming a lawyer.
I'm planning on becoming a lawyer.
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呃，所以……基本上
我是准备要当一个律师的。
12:02
Right, class. (Laughter) (Applause)
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好的，同学们。（笑声）（鼓掌声）
12:03
So these next two modules
are also circa 2016.
are also circa 2016.
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接下去两个也是在2016年左右录下的。
12:07
One subject is an Irishwoman
with a particularly noteworthy
with a particularly noteworthy
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一位是与这个话题
有着非常重要联系的爱尔兰妇女，
12:11
relationship to this issue,
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12:14
but first will be a West Indian woman,
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但是最先放出的会是一位西印度女人，
12:18
a self-described escort
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该影像在一次为争取性工作者权利的
集会游行中录制，
12:20
who was recorded at a
sex workers' rights rally and parade.
sex workers' rights rally and parade.
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而该女人则自称为是护卫者。
12:26
She was interviewed whilst marching
in full carnival headdress
in full carnival headdress
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她在游行中被采访时只戴着嘉年华用头巾，
12:30
and very little else.
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几乎没有穿衣服。
12:36
All right, you want me
to start talking now.
to start talking now.
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好的，我现在就可以讲了是吧？
12:38
Yeah, I told you, you can
put those wires anywhere you want to
put those wires anywhere you want to
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是的，是的，我告诉过你了，
只要不碍事，这些电线怎么放都没事。
12:41
as long as it don't get in the way.
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12:45
Yeah, no, but, tell me again
what the name of -- BERT? BERT.
what the name of -- BERT? BERT.
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对对，等下，能在跟我说一下
那个什么--BERT？BERT。
12:50
Yeah, I was telling you, you know,
I think I have in all my time
I think I have in all my time
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噢，我告诉你，
我接过起码一位叫Bert的客人，
12:53
I have had at least one client with that
name, so this won't be the first time
name, so this won't be the first time
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所以这不会是我第一次
12:56
I had BERT all over me.
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被BERT“布满”我的全身。
13:03
Oh, I'm sorry,
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噢，不好意思，
13:05
but you got to get into the spirit of it
if you're going to interview me.
if you're going to interview me.
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但是你必须得了解这项运动的意义
如果你要采访我的话。
13:08
All right? You can say it.
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行了吧？你可以说了。
13:10
No justice, no piece!
No justice, no piece!
No justice, no piece!
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没有公正，就没有我们的一块地方！
没有公正，就没有我们的一块地方！
13:12
But you see the sign? You get it?
P-I-E-C-E. No justice, no piece of us.
P-I-E-C-E. No justice, no piece of us.
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你看到那个标语了吗？
你明白没？P-I-E-C-E（片）。
没有公正，就没有我们的一块地方。
13:18
You understand?
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了解了吗？
13:20
Right, so that's the part
where I was telling you
where I was telling you
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我要告诉你的是
13:23
is that when I first came to this country,
I worked every job I could find.
I worked every job I could find.
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当我刚来这座城市，
我接了所有我能找到的工作。
13:27
I was a nanny; I was a home care attendant
for all these different old people,
for all these different old people,
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我当过保姆，
我曾是各色各样老人的家庭看护，
13:32
and then I said, child, if I have to touch
another white man's backside,
another white man's backside,
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然后我就想，如果我一定要
碰一个白人的屁股，
13:36
I might as well get paid
a lot more money for it than this,
a lot more money for it than this,
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我为什么不能拿到
比我现在得到的更多的钱呢，
13:39
you understand?
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你明白吗？
13:41
Pshh, you know how hard it is
being a domestic worker?
being a domestic worker?
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你知道当一个家政佣工多难吗？
13:44
Some of these men, they're heavy.
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有些男的特别胖。
13:46
You have to pick them up
and flip them over.
and flip them over.
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你必须得把他们叫起来，翻过去。
13:49
Now, I let them pick me up
and flip me over, you understand?
and flip me over, you understand?
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现在，是他们来接我，
把我翻过去，你懂吗？
13:53
Well, you have to have a sense of humor
about it, that's what I think.
about it, that's what I think.
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我觉得你得有点儿幽默感才行。
13:57
No, but see, listen,
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不是，但是，听着，
13:59
you find me somebody who don't hate
some part of their job.
some part of their job.
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你找到了一个不完全讨厌
这个工作的一个人。
14:02
I mean, there's a lot of things
about this job that I hate,
about this job that I hate,
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我是说，这个工作有很多让我感到厌恶的，
14:05
but the money is not one of them,
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但钱绝对不是其中一部分，
14:07
and I will tell you, as long as this
is the best possibility
is the best possibility
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我跟你说，只要这是我最能挣到钱的工作，
14:09
for me to make real money,
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14:11
I am going to be Jamaican-No-Fakin'
if that's what they want to call me.
if that's what they want to call me.
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我就会继续当我的“牙买加人”。
14:15
No, I'm not even from Jamaica.
That's how they market me.
That's how they market me.
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不，我不是牙买加人。
这是他们推销我的一个方式。
14:19
My family is from Trinidad
and the Virgin Islands.
and the Virgin Islands.
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我的家人在特立尼达和维尔京金群岛。
他们不知道我在干什么，但你知道吗？
14:23
They don't know what I do,
but you know what?
but you know what?
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14:25
My children, they know
that their school fees are paid,
that their school fees are paid,
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我的孩子们，知道我给他们交了学费，
14:28
they have their books and their computer,
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他们有了自己的书和电脑，
14:31
and this way, I know
that they have a chance.
that they have a chance.
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我知道，他们有获得更好未来的机会。
14:34
So I'm not going to tell you
that what I do, it's easy,
that what I do, it's easy,
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我不会告诉你我的工作内容，
没什么可说的，
14:37
I'm not going to tell you that I feel --
what's that you said, liberated?
what's that you said, liberated?
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我也不会说什么，
你说的什么，感觉被解放？
14:42
But I'm going to tell you
that I feel paid.
that I feel paid.
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我要跟你说的是我赚到了钱。
14:46
Right. (Applause)
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好的。（鼓掌声）
14:50
Thanks, that's lovely,
and just the cup of tea, love,
and just the cup of tea, love,
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谢谢，很好，就一杯茶
14:53
and just a splash of the whiskey.
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再来点威士忌。
14:55
It's perfect, that's grand.
Just a drop more. A splash. Perfect.
Just a drop more. A splash. Perfect.
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完美，很棒。再来一点点。一滴。很好。
15:00
What was your name? Peter?
Is that right, so, Peter?
Is that right, so, Peter?
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你叫什么？彼得？对吗，彼得？
15:03
Right. So that, that is
the unique part of it for me,
the unique part of it for me,
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好的。这对于我是段独特的经历，
15:06
right, is that I ended up in both,
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我先是进了修道院然后做了妓女。对。
15:10
first in the convent, and then
in the prostitution after. That's right.
in the prostitution after. That's right.
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15:14
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
15:16
So one woman at the university
here in Dublin, she wrote about me.
here in Dublin, she wrote about me.
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一个在都柏林上大学的女人
为我写了篇文章。
15:20
She said, Maureen Fitzroy is the living
embodiment of the whore-virgin dichotomy.
embodiment of the whore-virgin dichotomy.
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她说：“莫林-菲茨罗伊就是
既是妓女又是处女的真实案例。”
15:25
Right? (Laughter)
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对吧？（笑声）
15:27
Doesn't it sound like something
you need to go into hospital?
you need to go into hospital?
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这听起来是不是特别神经？
15:30
Well, I've got this terrible dichotomy.
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我就是这么个分裂的人。
15:32
Doesn't it.
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不是吗？
15:33
Right. Well, for me though, it was,
as a girl, it started with me dad.
as a girl, it started with me dad.
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好的。这段经历是由我父亲开始的，
我是说，我父亲跟我们讲话时，
15:37
I mean, half the time, when he
spoke to us, it was just a sort of
spoke to us, it was just a sort of
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几乎有一半时间是在骂我们一点用也没有，
15:40
tell us we were all useless rotten idiots
and we had no morals, that type of thing.
and we had no morals, that type of thing.
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就是个蠢蛋，没有道德，之类的。
15:44
And I certainly didn't
do myself any favors.
do myself any favors.
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我肯定没有反驳过。
15:48
By the time I was 16,
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当我16岁时，
15:50
I had started messing about
with this older fella,
with this older fella,
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我和一个老家伙搞在一块儿，
15:53
and he wanted it to be
our little secret,
our little secret,
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他希望我能保密，
15:56
and I did as I was told, didn't I,
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我也这么做了，我没别的选择，
15:59
and when that got back to me dad, he
had me sent straightaway to the convent.
had me sent straightaway to the convent.
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但当消息传到我父亲那，
我父亲就把我直接送到了修道院。
16:06
Well no, that older fella, he would still
come to find me in the convent.
come to find me in the convent.
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噢，不是的，那老家伙
仍然会来修道院找我。
16:11
Yeah, he'd leave me notes
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他会把我们要见面的纸条
16:12
tucked into the holes in the brick
at the back of the charity shop
at the back of the charity shop
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塞在慈善商店后面的砖缝里，
16:16
so we could meet.
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这样我们就能见面了。
16:17
And he'd tell me how
he's leaving his wife,
he's leaving his wife,
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他告诉过我他要离开他的妻子，
16:20
and I believed him, until I got pregnant.
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我相信他了，直到我怀孕。
16:25
I did, Peter, and I left him a note
about it in our special place there,
about it in our special place there,
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我做了，彼得，我把写有我怀孕消息的纸条
放在了我们的秘密通讯地点，
16:30
and I never did hear from him again.
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但我再也没有见过他。
16:33
No, I gave it up for adoption
so it could have a decent life,
so it could have a decent life,
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我把孩子送去给别人抚养了，
这样他也能有个体面的生活，
16:39
and then they wouldn't let me
back into the convent.
back into the convent.
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而我也再也回不了修道院了。
不，我的一个姐姐弗吉尼亚给了我五块钱
16:42
No, my one sister Virginia gave me
a fiver for the coach to Dublin,
a fiver for the coach to Dublin,
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买到都柏林的长途汽车票，
16:46
and that's how I ended up here.
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这也是我为什么来这里的原因。
16:48
Well, surprise, surprise, I fell in love
with another fella much older than me,
with another fella much older than me,
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造化弄人，
我又爱上了一位比我老很多的家伙，
16:53
and I always say I was just so happy
because he didn't drink,
because he didn't drink,
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我总是为我嫁了一个不酗酒的人而开心，
16:59
I married the bastard.
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然而事实是，我嫁给了一个混蛋。
他不喝酒，
17:02
Well, he didn't drink, but he did have
just the wee heroin problem, didn't he,
just the wee heroin problem, didn't he,
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但是他有吸食少量海洛因的问题，
17:06
and -- That's right, and before I knew it,
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--对，在我知道前，
17:09
he was the one who turned me on
to the prostitution, my own husband.
to the prostitution, my own husband.
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是他让我走上了卖淫这条路，
我自己的丈夫。
17:13
He had me supporting the both of us.
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他需要我来支撑这个家。
17:15
I was 18.
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那时我才18岁。
17:18
Well, it wasn't Pretty Woman,
I can tell you that.
I can tell you that.
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不会有什么《风月俏佳人》，我告诉你。
17:22
That Julia Roberts,
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如果茱莉亚·罗伯茨
17:25
if she'd ever had to sleep with a man
to put a few pounds in her pocket,
to put a few pounds in her pocket,
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必须得和一个给她钱的男人睡的话，
17:29
I don't think she'd ever
have made that film.
have made that film.
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我觉得那部电影就不会有。
17:32
Well, for your record,
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为了让你记录，
17:34
my opinion of the legalization,
I'd say I'm against it.
I'd say I'm against it.
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我对合法化的观点是，
我必须说的是我坚决反对。
17:38
I just, I don't care what
these young girls say.
these young girls say.
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我只是，我不在乎这些年轻女孩说什么。
17:40
You know, living like that,
you're just lost,
you're just lost,
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要知道，过着那种生活只会让人迷失，
17:43
and, you know, I'm 63 years old.
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我现在已经63岁了。
17:46
I'm still trying to find who I am.
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我仍然在努力探索我到底是谁。
17:49
You know, I never was a wife or a nun,
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我从来就不是一个妻子,修女。
17:53
or a prostitute even, really, not really.
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或是一个妓女,不是真的是。
17:56
Nobody ever asked who I wanted to be.
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从没人问过我我想做什么。
17:59
They just told me,
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他们只是告诉我要去做什么,
18:01
and if you legalize it,
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如果真的合法化了,
那你就真的是在跟这些女孩们说:
18:03
then you're really telling these girls,
"Go on and get lost for a living,"
"Go on and get lost for a living,"
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"去吧,用这种让人迷失的方式谋生。"
18:07
and a lot of them,
they'll do as they're told.
they'll do as they're told.
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而很多女孩会跟着我们所说的做。
18:10
All right, so four perspectives
from four quite -- (Applause) --
from four quite -- (Applause) --
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好的,四种来自--(鼓掌声)--
18:15
four quite different voices there, right?
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来自相当不同声音的观点,对吧?
18:17
One woman saying sex itself is natural
but the sex industry seems to
but the sex industry seems to
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一位女性说性本身是非常自然的一件事,
但是性行业使性变得机械化,工业化。
18:22
mechanize or industrialize it.
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18:24
Then the second woman considered
sex work to be empowering,
sex work to be empowering,
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第二位女性认为性工作应该被准许,
18:29
liberating, and feminist,
though she, herself, notably,
though she, herself, notably,
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应该是自由的,女性主义,
虽然她自己,很显然,
18:32
did not seem keen to do it.
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并不是特别热衷于这件事。
18:35
The third woman, who actually was
a so-called sex worker
a so-called sex worker
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第三位女性即大家所说的性工作者
18:39
did not agree that it was liberating
but she wanted the right
but she wanted the right
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不赞成性工作是自由的,
18:43
to the economic empowerment,
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但她希望妇女能够享有经济赋权,
18:45
and then we hear the fourth woman
saying not only prostitution itself
saying not only prostitution itself
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而第四位女性说不只是性交易,
18:48
but proscribed roles for women in general
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女性被禁止的角色都在一定程度上
18:50
prevented her from ever
finding who she was, right?
finding who she was, right?
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阻止她找到真正的自己,对吧？
18:54
So another fact most people did not know
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另一个大多数人不知道的事实是
18:56
was the average age of an at-risk girl
being introduced to the sex industry
being introduced to the sex industry
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女生被介绍到性行业的危险年龄是
19:02
was 12 or 13.
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12-13岁。
19:04
Also consider that the age
when all girls in that society
when all girls in that society
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我们也认为这个年龄的女孩们
19:07
first became exposed
to sexualized images of women
to sexualized images of women
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首次接触到女性情色照片的年龄
19:10
was quite a bit earlier, right?
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也很早,对吧?
19:13
This was a doll called Barbie, right?
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这是芭比娃娃,对吧?
19:18
I initially thought she was an educational
tool for anorexia prevention --
tool for anorexia prevention --
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我刚开始以为
那是防止厌食症的教育工具--
19:21
(Laughter) --
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(笑声)--
19:22
but actually she was considered by many
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然而,实际上,她被很多人认为是
19:26
to be a wholesome symbol of femininity,
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女性美的标准,
19:30
and often young girls began
what was called dieting.
what was called dieting.
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很多年轻女孩会开始所谓的节食。
19:33
Remember this? This was
restricting food intake on purpose
restricting food intake on purpose
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还记得这个词吗?
就是从六岁起故意控制食物摄入量,
19:37
by the age of six,
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19:39
and defining themselves
based on attractiveness
based on attractiveness
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同时使自己的身材保持在
19:42
by around that same time. Right?
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大家认为的美的范围。对吧？
19:43
Yes?
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恩?
19:45
Right, Bradley, okay, excellent point.
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对的,布莱德利,真棒,
非常精彩的一个观点。
19:47
So there was a lucrative market
in that society in convincing all people
in that society in convincing all people
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所以在那时的市场利润是巨大的,
他们通过让人们以一种确定的标准
19:52
they had to look a certain way
to even have a sex life, right?
to even have a sex life, right?
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来看待一切包括性生活
来获取巨额利润,对吧?
19:56
But girls, especially, were expected
to be "sexy" while avoiding
to be "sexy" while avoiding
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但是特别是女孩,
大家都希望她们都是性感的,
20:01
being perceived as "sluts"
for being sexual. Right?
for being sexual. Right?
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但又绝不能放荡.对吧？
20:04
So there's that shame piece
we've heard about.
we've heard about.
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这是我们听到的羞耻的一部分。
20:07
Yes.
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对。
20:08
Valerie, right? Okay, very good.
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瓦莱丽,对吧?很好，非常好。
20:10
Of course, men were having sex as well,
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当然，男人们也会做爱，
20:13
but you'll remember from the reading,
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但是你要知道，
20:15
what were male sluts called?
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男人如果放荡，他们会被怎么评论？
20:18
Very good, they were called men.
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非常好，他们是男人啊。
20:20
(Laughter) (Applause)
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（笑声）（鼓掌声）
20:22
So not easy living in
a world like that, right?
a world like that, right?
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活在那样的世界也不是件轻松的事，对吧？
20:28
Though it was not all bad news either.
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也不都是坏消息。
20:30
Most women in the early 2000s
considered themselves empowered,
considered themselves empowered,
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21世纪初大部分的女性，
认为她们被赋权，
20:34
and men generally felt they were
also evolved in this area,
also evolved in this area,
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男性普遍也认为自己在进步着，
而事实上，大部分的人会关心
20:38
and, in fact, most people would have
been aware of issues
been aware of issues
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人口贩卖这种问题，
20:41
like human trafficking, for example,
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但他们绝对不会将这些与
20:43
but they would have seen that
as quite separate
as quite separate
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20:45
from more recreational
adult entertainment.
adult entertainment.
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娱乐性的成人产业联系在一起。
20:48
And so we'll just very briefly, class --
we don't have a lot of time --
we don't have a lot of time --
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我们得快点，同学们--
我们快要下课了--
20:51
we'll just very briefly hear from a man
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我们接下去会听到一位男性
20:54
on our topic at this stage.
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对这个话题的简单观点。
20:55
So this next subject was interviewed
on the night of his bachelor party.
on the night of his bachelor party.
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接下去的这位是在他的单身之夜被采访的。
21:03
Dude, can you, all right,
can you just keep it down?
can you just keep it down?
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伙计们，你们能声音小点吗？
21:06
I'm trying to talk to BERT right now.
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我现在要和BERT说话。
21:09
Oh, your name's not BERT.
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噢，你不是BERT。
21:11
BERT's the name of the, oh, all right.
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BERT是……，噢，好吧。
21:13
No, no, no, totally, it's totally fine.
I'm mostly sober,
I'm mostly sober,
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3065
不，不，不，完全没问题。我没醉，
21:16
so I just want to be helpful.
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我想我可以帮上忙。
21:20
Yeah, and I totally believe in causes,
yeah, like, all that stuff.
yeah, like, all that stuff.
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我完全相信因果那套。
21:23
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
21:25
And actually, I'm wearing Toms right now.
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实际上，我现在就穿着汤姆斯。
21:28
Yeah, Toms, like, the shoes,
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对，汤姆斯，比如说他们的鞋子，
21:32
like, you buy a pair and then
a kid in Africa gets clean water.
a kid in Africa gets clean water.
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3327
你每买一双，
就有一个非洲孩子有干净水喝。
21:36
Yeah. Totally.
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对。就是这样。
21:38
But what was the question again? Sorry.
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2787
但是你刚才问了什么？不好意思。
21:41
Of course I believe in women's rights.
I'm marrying a woman.
I'm marrying a woman.
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4708
我当然相信妇女权利。
我就要和一个女人结婚了。
21:45
(Laughter)
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2500
（笑声）
21:48
No, but I mean, like, just because
I'm in a strip club parking lot
I'm in a strip club parking lot
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3629
不，我的意思是，
不能因为我在脱衣舞俱乐部的停车场
21:52
doesn't mean that I'm, like,
a sexist or whatever.
a sexist or whatever.
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就认为我是个性别歧视者或是别的什么。
21:55
My fiancee is totally amazing,
she's totally a strong girl, woman,
she's totally a strong girl, woman,
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我的未婚妻是个令人敬佩的人，
她是一个坚强又聪明的女人，
21:59
smart woman, like, the whole thing.
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2495
就是个很棒的女人。
22:01
Yeah, she knows I'm here. She's probably
at a strip club herself right now,
at a strip club herself right now,
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3569
对，她知道我在这。
她现在可能跟我一样
也在个脱衣舞俱乐部里，
22:05
like, as a joke, same as me.
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1992
哈哈，开玩笑的。
22:07
My best man, I told him
he could surprise me,
he could surprise me,
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2092
我跟我的伴郎说
他可以给我准备个惊喜什么的，
22:09
and he thought this would be hilarious,
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1317602
1995
他应该是觉得这挺好玩的，
22:11
but this is not something.
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2103
但其实也没什么特别。
22:14
Yeah, we all went to B school together.
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对，我们一起上的商学院。
22:17
Wharton.
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1480
沃顿商学院。
22:18
(Laughter)
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1184
（笑声）
22:19
Yeah, so, dude, can you guys --
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2447
伙计们，你们能--
22:22
All right, but it's my bachelor party,
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1916
好吧，但这是我的单身派对，
22:24
and I can spend it in the parking lot
with Anderson Cooper if I want to.
with Anderson Cooper if I want to.
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3508
就算跟Anderson Cooper
在停车场一起过也是我的单身派对。
22:27
All right, I'll see you in there.
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2671
好吧，我们里头见。
22:31
All right, okay, so Anderson,
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2138
好吧，呃，Anderson，
22:33
so, like, first of all, stripping,
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3897
呵呵，首先，脱衣舞
22:37
but then, like, all the other things
you're talking about,
you're talking about,
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2784
和那什么什么性交易
22:39
prostitution and all that stuff,
that's, like, not the same thing at all.
that's, like, not the same thing at all.
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3508
完全不是两回事儿。
22:43
You know? Like, you keep calling it
the sex industry or whatever,
the sex industry or whatever,
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3256
你知道吗？
你可以继续说它是性行业或是什么，
22:46
but it's like, if the girl wants
to be an exotic dancer
to be an exotic dancer
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3946
但是，如果一个女孩儿年满18岁后
想当艳舞女郎，
22:50
and she's 18, like, that's her right.
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3467
她完全有这个权利呀。
22:55
Whoa, whoa, I hear what you're saying,
but I just feel like people,
but I just feel like people,
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3248
哇，哇，我知道你说什么了，
22:58
they just want to make it seem
like all dudes are just, like, predators,
like all dudes are just, like, predators,
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3636
但是我就是觉得人们就是
要把我们想得很饥渴似的，
23:01
that we would just automatically
go to a prostitute, or whatever.
go to a prostitute, or whatever.
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3138
自发地就去找妓女去了。
23:05
Even, like, when I pledged, you know,
like when I rushed my fraternity.
like when I rushed my fraternity.
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4296
就算我发了誓，我去参加兄弟会。
23:10
My brothers who I'm close to,
those guys, they're all like me.
those guys, they're all like me.
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2987
我亲近的那些兄弟们，他们都和我很像。
23:13
We're just normal people, but, like,
there's this myth that you must
there's this myth that you must
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3953
我们只是普通人，
23:17
be that guy who is kind of an asshole,
and like, all bros before hos or whatever.
and like, all bros before hos or whatever.
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4638
无法理解的是那必须得当重色轻友的混蛋。
23:21
And actually, like, bros before hos,
it doesn't mean like what it sounds like.
it doesn't mean like what it sounds like.
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3715
但实际上，重色轻友并不真正是这样，
23:26
It's actually just like a joking way of
saying that you care about your brothers
saying that you care about your brothers
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3777
实际上这只是对你在乎你的兄弟们
23:30
and you put them first.
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2136
并且将他们放在首位的开玩笑罢了。
23:33
Yeah, but, you can't blame
the media, either.
the media, either.
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2110
对，但你也不能怪媒体。
23:35
I mean, like, if you
go watch "Hangover 2,"
go watch "Hangover 2,"
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2534
我是说，如果你去看《宿醉2》，
23:38
and you think that's an instruction manual
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2154
并且把它作为你人生的信条，
23:40
for your life, like,
I don't know what to tell you.
I don't know what to tell you.
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2536
我不知道怎么跟你说。
23:42
You know? You don't
watch "Bourne Identity"
watch "Bourne Identity"
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2062
你懂吗？你不会看完《谍影重重》
23:44
and go drive your car
over a gondola in Venice. (Laughter)
over a gondola in Venice. (Laughter)
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4244
就把你的车开到威尼斯小划船上。（笑声）
23:49
Well, yeah, okay, like, if you're
a little kid or whatever,
a little kid or whatever,
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2936
呃，对，呃，如果你是个小孩子，
23:52
of course it's different, but --
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2204
情况当然不一样了，但是--
23:54
Yeah, all right, I remember
one thing like that.
one thing like that.
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1422876
3694
对，对，我记得一点。
23:59
I was at this kid's house
one time playing GTA,
one time playing GTA,
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3100
一次我在一个孩子的家里玩GTA，
24:03
uh, Grand Theft Auto?
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1230
啊，侠盗猎车手？
24:05
Dude, are you from Canada? (Laughter)
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2706
哥们，你加拿大来的？（笑声）
24:09
So, like, whatever, with Grand Theft Auto,
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3393
你是《侠盗猎车手》游戏里的玩家，
24:12
you're this kid, like, you're this guy
walking around or whatever,
walking around or whatever,
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3174
你到处走，
24:16
and you can basically, like,
the more cops you kill,
the more cops you kill,
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2932
杀的警察越多，
24:19
the more points you get,
and stuff like that.
and stuff like that.
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2671
得到的点数就越高，就那样。
24:21
But also, you can find prostitutes
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2838
而且，你会在游戏里发现妓女们，
24:24
and obviously you can do
sexual stuff with them,
sexual stuff with them,
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3197
显然，你可以和她们做爱，
24:27
but you can, like, kill them
and take your money back.
and take your money back.
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3857
当然你在之后也可以杀了她们把钱拿回来。
24:32
Yeah, this kid, I remember he ran over
a couple of them a few times with his car
a couple of them a few times with his car
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3941
我记得这个孩子用车辗过他们好几次
24:36
and he got all these points.
420
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2854
并且他获得了所有的点数。
24:39
We were, like, 10, I think.
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2435
当时我们大概10岁。
24:43
It felt pretty terrible, actually.
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2092
实际上那种感觉很糟糕。
24:46
No, I don't think I said anything,
I just finished playing and went home.
I just finished playing and went home.
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5388
不，我应该什么都没说，就是玩完就回家了。
24:52
All right class, so then there were men
who had more than just
who had more than just
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好了，同学们，我们还有很多
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a passing relationship to this issue.
(Laughter)
(Laughter)
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与这话题有更密切关系的男性。（笑声）
24:59
The next subject described himself
as a reformed and remorseful pimp
as a reformed and remorseful pimp
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下一位是位自称曾做过拉皮条，
25:04
turned motivational speaker,
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现已洗心革面的励志演说家，
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life coach and therapist,
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人生导师与治疗专家，
25:08
but if you want to know more about him,
you'll have to come to the entire play.
you'll have to come to the entire play.
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但是如果你想要了解更多，
你得来剧院看整个演出。
25:12
Thank you so much,
you beautiful TED audience.
you beautiful TED audience.
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非常感谢，你们是最棒的TED听众。
25:16
I will see you for "Sell/Buy/Date."
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我会在《销售/购买/日期》与你们再见。
25:18
(Applause)
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（鼓掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sarah Jones - Polymorphic playwrightTony Award-winning monologist, UNICEF ambassador, firebrand and FCC-fighting poet -- Sarah Jones assumes as many roles offstage as on.
Why you should listen
"Chameleon-like" barely describes the astonishing ease with which Sarah Jones slips in and out of the characters in her solo performances -- as many as fourteen personae in her Broadway hit Bridge & Tunnel. Critics marvel not only at her ability to perfectly mimic accents and mannerisms, but also to seemingly reshape her body, down to pupils and dimples, in the blink of an eye.
Jones' performances showcase a biting political awareness, and she has received commissions from Equality Now, the Kellogg Foundation and the National Immigration Forum to address issues of injustice and inequality. She is a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador and has given multiple performances at the White House at the invitation of President and First Lady Obama. Jones is now at work on a new solo show called Sell/Buy/Date, commissioned by the Novo Foundation. She debuted material from it at TED2015. She is also working on a commission for Lincoln Center Theater and a television project based on her characters.
Sarah Jones | Speaker | TED.com