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Dalia Mogahed: What it's like to be Muslim in America
达莉亚‧墨诃: 当你看见我的时候，你会想到什么
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当你看著穆斯林学者达莉亚‧墨诃的时候，你看到什么：一个充满信仰的女人？一位学者？一个母亲？一位修女？或者，是一个受压迫的、被洗脑的、潜在的恐怖份子？在这个切身、有力的演说中，达莉亚呼吁我们，在这个分裂的时代，一同为她被媒体负面扭曲的信仰而战——选择同理心而非偏见歧视。
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholar
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
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00:13
What do you think when you look at me?
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当你看着我的时候，你在想什么？
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A woman of faith? An expert?
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一个有信仰的女人？一个专家？
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Maybe even a sister.
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甚至可能是修女。
00:21
Or oppressed,
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又或是受到压迫，
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brainwashed,
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被洗脑了，
00:25
a terrorist.
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一个恐怖分子。
或仅仅是机场安检的时候要久一点。
00:28
Or just an airport security line delay.
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这倒是事实。
00:32
That one's actually true.
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00:34
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
00:35
If some of your perceptions were negative,
I don't really blame you.
I don't really blame you.
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如果一些人的想法是负面的，
我不会真的责怪他们。
我不会真的责怪他们。
毕竟媒体是如此描绘
00:38
That's just how the media
has been portraying
has been portraying
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people who look like me.
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像我一样的穆斯林的。
00:42
One study found
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一项调查发现
80% 关于伊斯兰和穆斯林的新闻报道是负面的。
00:44
that 80 percent of news coverage
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
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研究也表明大部分美国人不认识穆斯林。
00:48
And studies show that Americans
say that most don't know a Muslim.
say that most don't know a Muslim.
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我猜大概人们不跟 Uber 司机聊天吧。
00:53
I guess people don't talk
to their Uber drivers.
to their Uber drivers.
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（笑声）
00:55
(Laughter)
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好吧，对于那些从来没有遇见过穆斯林的人，
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Well, for those of you
who have never met a Muslim,
who have never met a Muslim,
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很高兴见到你。
01:02
it's great to meet you.
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让我来告诉你我是谁。
01:05
Let me tell you who I am.
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我是一位母亲，也是咖啡爱好者——
01:08
I'm a mom, a coffee lover --
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特浓咖啡，加奶油。
01:11
double espresso, cream on the side.
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我是个内向的人，
01:14
I'm an introvert.
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即将成为健身狂热分子。
01:16
I'm a wannabe fitness fanatic.
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01:18
And I'm a practicing, spiritual Muslim.
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以及我信仰穆斯林。
但跟 Lady Gaga 所说不同，
因为我并非生来就是穆斯林。
因为我并非生来就是穆斯林。
01:23
But not like Lady Gaga says,
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
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这是我自己的选择。
01:28
It was a choice.
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当我 17 岁的时候，我决定出柜。
01:31
When I was 17, I decided to come out.
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与我的一些朋友不同，我不是一名同性恋，
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No, not as a gay person
like some of my friends,
like some of my friends,
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01:38
but as a Muslim,
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我是一名穆斯林，
并且决定开始带希贾布，就是我的头巾。
01:40
and decided to start wearing
the hijab, my head covering.
the hijab, my head covering.
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我的女权主义朋友对此感到很吃惊：
01:44
My feminist friends were aghast:
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“你为什么要压抑你自己？”
01:47
"Why are you oppressing yourself?"
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有意思的是，
01:51
The funny thing was,
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这在当时算是女权主义的独立宣言。
01:52
it was actually at that time
a feminist declaration of independence
a feminist declaration of independence
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那时我17岁，受到很大的压力，
01:58
from the pressure I felt as a 17-year-old,
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要服从一个完美的、难以达到的美的标准。
02:02
to conform to a perfect
and unattainable standard of beauty.
and unattainable standard of beauty.
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我并非被动地接受我父母的信仰。
02:07
I didn't just passively accept
the faith of my parents.
the faith of my parents.
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02:12
I wrestled with the Quran.
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我曾与《可兰经》搏斗过。
02:14
I read and reflected
and questioned and doubted
and questioned and doubted
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在阅读《可兰经》的过程中，
我反思、质疑、怀疑，
我反思、质疑、怀疑，
最终相信。
02:20
and, ultimately, believed.
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我和真主的关系并非一见钟情。
02:23
My relationship with God --
it was not love at first sight.
it was not love at first sight.
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而是信任，是慢慢投降，
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It was a trust and a slow surrender
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每次阅读《可兰经》都加深了我的信仰。
02:32
that deepened with every
reading of the Quran.
reading of the Quran.
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有时我被其节奏的美丽感动至流泪。
02:36
Its rhythmic beauty
sometimes moves me to tears.
sometimes moves me to tears.
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我看到自己置身其中。
我觉得真主好像懂我。
我觉得真主好像懂我。
02:40
I see myself in it.
I feel that God knows me.
I feel that God knows me.
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你们是否曾遇到过有人完完全全地懂你，
02:45
Have you ever felt like someone sees you,
completely understands you
completely understands you
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无论如何都爱着你？
02:50
and yet loves you anyway?
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02:52
That's how it feels.
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这就是我的感受。
02:55
And so later, I got married,
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之后，我结婚，
和所有优秀的埃及人一样，
02:58
and like all good Egyptians,
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成为一名工程师。
03:00
started my career as an engineer.
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03:02
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
婚后我有了一个孩子，
03:06
I later had a child,
after getting married,
after getting married,
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我的人生似乎实现了埃及人的美国梦。
03:11
and I was living essentially
the Egyptian-American dream.
the Egyptian-American dream.
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2001 年 9 月那个恐怖的早上，
03:18
And then that terrible morning
of September, 2001.
of September, 2001.
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我想在座很多人都记得那个早上你们在哪里吧。
03:24
I think a lot of you probably remember
exactly where you were that morning.
exactly where you were that morning.
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我当时坐在厨房里吃早餐，
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I was sitting in my kitchen
finishing breakfast,
finishing breakfast,
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看着电视，上面出现“爆炸新闻”。
03:34
and I look up on the screen
and see the words "Breaking News."
and see the words "Breaking News."
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电视画面有很多烟，飞机撞向大楼，
03:39
There was smoke,
airplanes flying into buildings,
airplanes flying into buildings,
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people jumping out of buildings.
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人们从大楼往外跳。
到底发生了什么？
03:45
What was this?
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是事故吗？
03:47
An accident?
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是机械故障吗？
03:49
A malfunction?
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03:53
My shock quickly turned to outrage.
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我很快从震惊变成愤怒。
03:56
Who would do this?
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谁会这么做？
我换台，听到
03:59
And I switch the channel and I hear,
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04:02
"... Muslim terrorist ...,"
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“...穆斯林恐怖分子...，”
04:04
"... in the name of Islam ...,"
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“...以伊斯兰之名...，”
04:06
"... Middle-Eastern descent ...,"
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“...中东血统...，”
“...圣战...，”
04:08
"... jihad ...,"
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“...我们应该炸掉麦加。”
04:10
"... we should bomb Mecca."
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天哪！
04:12
Oh my God.
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不只是我的国家受到袭击，
04:15
Not only had my country been attacked,
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而且一瞬间，
04:19
but in a flash,
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04:20
somebody else's actions
had turned me from a citizen
had turned me from a citizen
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别人都不再视我为市民
而是嫌疑犯。
04:24
to a suspect.
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那天，我们不得不驾车穿越美国中部，
04:27
That same day, we had to drive
across Middle America
across Middle America
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搬到一个新的城市开始念研究生。
04:31
to move to a new city
to start grad school.
to start grad school.
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我记得坐在车里，
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And I remember sitting
in the passenger seat
in the passenger seat
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04:39
as we drove in silence,
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一路沉默，
04:41
crouched as low as I could go in my seat,
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在我的座位上尽可能的俯身低一点，
生平第一次我害怕别人知道我是一名穆斯林。
04:44
for the first time in my life,
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
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那天晚上，我们搬到一个新的镇子，住在一间公寓里，
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We moved into our apartment
that night in a new town
that night in a new town
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in what felt like
a completely different world.
a completely different world.
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好像是一个完全不同的世界。
接着，我听到、看到、读到
04:57
And then I was hearing
and seeing and reading
and seeing and reading
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国家穆斯林组织的警告，
05:01
warnings from national
Muslim organizations
Muslim organizations
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05:04
saying things like,
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
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让我们“警觉”、“注意”、
“待在照明良好的区域”、“不要集会”。
05:08
"Stay in well-lit areas,"
"Don't congregate."
"Don't congregate."
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05:12
I stayed inside all week.
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整个礼拜我都呆在家里。
直到那周的周五
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And then it was Friday that same week,
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05:17
the day that Muslims
congregate for worship.
congregate for worship.
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是穆斯林集会祷告的时间。
我再一次收到警告，“第一个礼拜五不要去，
05:22
And again the warnings were,
"Don't go that first Friday,
"Don't go that first Friday,
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05:26
it could be a target."
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可能成为袭击目标”。
当时我在看新闻，铺天盖地的报道
05:29
And I was watching the news,
wall-to-wall coverage.
wall-to-wall coverage.
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05:32
Emotions were so raw, understandably,
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民情激愤，可以理解，
05:35
and I was also hearing
about attacks on Muslims,
about attacks on Muslims,
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我也听到针对穆斯林的袭击，
或者是那些被认为是穆斯林的人被拉出来
05:38
or people who were perceived
to be Muslim, being pulled out
to be Muslim, being pulled out
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当街暴打。
05:41
and beaten in the street.
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05:42
Mosques were actually firebombed.
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清真寺被炸掉。
我想我们应该呆在家里。
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And I thought, we should just stay home.
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05:47
And yet, something didn't feel right.
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但我总觉得这样不对。
因为那些袭击我们国家的恐怖分子
05:51
Because those people
who attacked our country
who attacked our country
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attacked our country.
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袭击了 我们 的国家。
我理解人们对恐怖分子感到气愤。
05:58
I get it that people were angry
at the terrorists.
at the terrorists.
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我也一样。
06:01
Guess what? So was I.
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不断跟别人解释自己的身份并非易事。
06:04
And so to have to explain yourself
all the time isn't easy.
all the time isn't easy.
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我不介意质疑。我喜欢人们提问。
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I don't mind questions. I love questions.
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06:13
It's the accusations that are tough.
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真正难以承受的是受到指责。
今天，我们听到人们真的会说
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Today we hear people actually
saying things like,
saying things like,
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“这个国家存在问题，这个问题就是穆斯林。
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"There's a problem in this country,
and it's called Muslims.
and it's called Muslims.
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我们什么时候才能摆脱他们？“
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When are we going to get rid of them?"
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所以有的人想要禁止穆斯林，关闭清真寺。
06:25
So, some people want to ban Muslims
and close down mosques.
and close down mosques.
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06:29
They talk about my community
kind of like we're a tumor
kind of like we're a tumor
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他们将穆斯林社区视为
美国的一颗肿瘤。
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in the body of America.
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问题是这是一颗恶性肿瘤还是良性？
06:33
And the only question is,
are we malignant or benign?
are we malignant or benign?
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恶性肿瘤要完整的切除，
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You know, a malignant tumor
you extract altogether,
you extract altogether,
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06:40
and a benign tumor
you just keep under surveillance.
you just keep under surveillance.
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而良性肿瘤只要好好控制。
这个选择根本说不通，
因为这完全是个错误的问题。
因为这完全是个错误的问题。
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The choices don't make sense,
because it's the wrong question.
because it's the wrong question.
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穆斯林跟所有美国人一样，
不是美国的一颗肿瘤。
不是美国的一颗肿瘤。
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Muslims, like all other Americans,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
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06:55
we're a vital organ.
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我们是重要的组成部分。
（掌声）
06:58
(Applause)
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06:59
Thank you.
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谢谢。
07:00
(Applause)
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（掌声）
穆斯林中有发明家，有老师，
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Muslims are inventors and teachers,
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07:08
first responders and Olympic athletes.
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有急救员，有奥运会运动员。
关闭清真寺真的会让美国更加安全吗？
07:12
Now, is closing down mosques
going to make America safer?
going to make America safer?
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07:16
It might free up some parking spots,
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这可能会让停车方便点，
但不会终止恐怖主义。
07:19
but it will not end terrorism.
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事实上定期去清真寺意味着
07:22
Going to a mosque regularly
is actually linked
is actually linked
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07:24
to having more tolerant views
of people of other faiths
of people of other faiths
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对于不同信仰的人更宽容，
07:28
and greater civic engagement.
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也意味着更多的公民参与感。
最近一名华盛顿特区的警察长
07:31
And as one police chief
in the Washington, DC area
in the Washington, DC area
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告诉我，
07:34
recently told me,
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07:36
people don't actually
get radicalized at mosques.
get radicalized at mosques.
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人们不会在清真寺变得激进。
07:38
They get radicalized in their basement
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
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人们在地下室、卧室、电脑前变得激进。
人们对于激进演变过程的了解是
07:44
And what you find
about the radicalization process
about the radicalization process
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07:47
is it starts online,
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起于网络。
但往往是从
07:49
but the first thing that happens
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这个人被社区抛弃、
07:50
is the person gets cut off
from their community,
from their community,
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07:53
from even their family,
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被家人抛弃开始的。
极端组织开始对他们洗脑，
07:55
so that the extremist group
can brainwash them
can brainwash them
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07:58
into believing that they,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
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让他们相信这些恐怖分子是真正的穆斯林，
08:02
and everyone else who abhors
their behavior and ideology
their behavior and ideology
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任何憎恶他们行为和信仰的人
都是叛徒。
08:06
are sellouts or apostates.
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所以如果我们想要阻止激进，
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So if we want to prevent radicalization,
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08:11
we have to keep people
going to the mosque.
going to the mosque.
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我们要让人们前往清真寺。
08:16
Now, some will still argue
Islam is a violent religion.
Islam is a violent religion.
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现在有的人说伊斯兰是个暴力的信仰。
08:20
After all, a group like ISIS
bases its brutality on the Quran.
bases its brutality on the Quran.
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毕竟 ISIS 这么残忍的组织是基于《可兰经》的。
现在，作为一个穆斯林，
作为一个母亲，作为一个人，
作为一个母亲，作为一个人，
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Now, as a Muslim, as a mother,
as a human being,
as a human being,
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08:29
I think we need to do everything we can
to stop a group like ISIS.
to stop a group like ISIS.
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我想我们需要倾尽全力阻止 ISIS 这样的恐怖组织。
但如果我们视他们为 16 亿穆斯林的代表，
08:35
But we would be giving in
to their narrative
to their narrative
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08:40
if we cast them as representatives
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
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那就等于我们向他们屈服。
08:46
(Applause)
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
ISIS 与伊斯兰有很深的关系，
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ISIS has as much to do with Islam
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as the Ku Klux Klan has to do
with Christianity.
with Christianity.
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正如三K党与基督教有很深的关系。
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这两个组织都宣称它们的意识形态基于两本圣书。
09:06
Both groups claim to base
their ideology on their holy book.
their ideology on their holy book.
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但当你看着他们，他们并没有
09:12
But when you look at them,
they're not motivated
they're not motivated
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从阅读圣书中获得激励。
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by what they read in their holy book.
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It's their brutality that makes them
read these things into the scripture.
read these things into the scripture.
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他们本性中的残忍
驱使他们以自己的方式解读圣书。
驱使他们以自己的方式解读圣书。
最近，一位杰出的阿訇目
告诉我一个故事，让我大吃一惊。
告诉我一个故事，让我大吃一惊。
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Recently, a prominent imam
told me a story that really took me aback.
told me a story that really took me aback.
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他说有一个女孩来找他，
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He said that a girl came to him
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告诉他她想加入 ISIS。
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because she was thinking
of going to join ISIS.
of going to join ISIS.
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我非常惊讶，问他
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And I was really surprised and asked him,
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had she been in contact
with a radical religious leader?
with a radical religious leader?
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这个女孩是否与激进的宗教领袖有接触？
他告诉我，问题恰恰相反，
09:37
And he said the problem
was quite the opposite,
was quite the opposite,
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that every cleric that she had
talked to had shut her down
talked to had shut her down
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每一个与她谈话过的阿訇都将她拒之门外，
他们说她的愤怒，她对世界正义的解读
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and said that her rage,
her sense of injustice in the world,
her sense of injustice in the world,
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会让她陷入麻烦。
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was just going to get her in trouble.
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因为四处碰壁，无法宣泄愤怒，
09:49
And so with nowhere to channel
and make sense of this anger,
and make sense of this anger,
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她成为极端分子的目标，
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she was a prime target to be exploited
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by extremists promising her a solution.
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他们承诺向她提供出路。
这位阿訇帮助她重回真主的怀抱，回归社区。
09:58
What this imam did was to connect her
back to God and to her community.
back to God and to her community.
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他并不因为她激动的情绪而看轻她
相反的，他给她提供建设性的建议，
相反的，他给她提供建设性的建议，
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He didn't shame her for her rage --
instead, he gave her constructive ways
instead, he gave her constructive ways
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to make real change in the world.
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做一些真正改变世界的事情。
这个女孩在清真寺的所学阻止她迈向 ISIS。
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What she learned at that mosque
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
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刚刚我跟你分享了一点
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I've told you a little bit
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about how Islamophobia
affects me and my family.
affects me and my family.
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伊斯兰恐惧症对我和我家庭的影响。
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But how does it impact ordinary Americans?
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那伊斯兰恐惧症
又是如何影响普通的美国人的呢？
又是如何影响普通的美国人的呢？
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How does it impact everyone else?
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它是如何影响每个人的呢？
10:25
How does consuming fear 24 hours a day
affect the health of our democracy,
affect the health of our democracy,
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24 小时处于恐惧中如何影响我们的民主、
如何阻碍我们自由的思考？
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the health of our free thought?
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研究——事实上是几项神经系统科学的研究——
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Well, one study -- actually,
several studies in neuroscience --
several studies in neuroscience --
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表明，当我们恐惧的时候，
至少三件事会发生。
至少三件事会发生。
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show that when we're afraid,
at least three things happen.
at least three things happen.
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我们更倾向于接受独裁主义、
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We become more accepting
of authoritarianism,
of authoritarianism,
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服从和偏见。
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conformity and prejudice.
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One study showed that when subjects
were exposed to news stories
were exposed to news stories
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一项研究表明，当人们接触新的
消极的穆斯林故事的时候，
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that were negative about Muslims,
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他们更容易接受对穆斯林国家的武装攻击
10:58
they became more accepting
of military attacks on Muslim countries
of military attacks on Muslim countries
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和那些剥夺美国穆斯林权利的政策。
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and policies that curtail the rights
of American Muslims.
of American Muslims.
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时至今日，这不仅是一个学术问题。
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Now, this isn't just academic.
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反穆斯林情绪激增事件
11:08
When you look at when
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
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在 2001 至 2013 年期间
11:13
between 2001 and 2013,
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一共发生了 3 次，
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it happened three times,
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but it wasn't around terrorist attacks.
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但不是围绕恐怖袭击发生的，
而是在伊拉克战争和两次选举的过程发生的。
11:21
It was in the run up to the Iraq War
and during two election cycles.
and during two election cycles.
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So Islamophobia isn't just
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
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所以伊斯兰恐惧症不仅仅是我曾预期的
针对穆斯林恐怖主义的自然回应，
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as I would have expected.
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It can actually be a tool
of public manipulation,
of public manipulation,
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事实上，它成为了操纵公众的工具，
腐蚀了自由社会的基础——
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eroding the very foundation
of a free society,
of a free society,
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理性、通晓的市民。
11:41
which is rational
and well-informed citizens.
and well-informed citizens.
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穆斯林是煤矿中的金丝雀。
11:46
Muslims are like canaries
in the coal mine.
in the coal mine.
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我们可能是第一批感受到它的人，
11:49
We might be the first to feel it,
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11:51
but the toxic air of fear
is harming us all.
is harming us all.
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但空气中弥漫着的恐惧伤害了我们所有人。
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集体承担负罪感
12:03
And assigning collective guilt
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不仅仅意味着无时无刻要想别人解释自己。
12:06
isn't just about having
to explain yourself all the time.
to explain yourself all the time.
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Deah和他的妻子Yusor是一对年轻的新婚夫妇，
12:09
Deah and his wife Yusor
were a young married couple
were a young married couple
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living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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他们住在北卡罗来纳州的教堂山，
12:15
where they both went to school.
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一起上学。
Deah是一名运动员。
12:17
Deah was an athlete.
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12:20
He was in dental school,
talented, promising ...
talented, promising ...
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他念的是牙科学校，很有天赋，前程似锦。
他的姐姐曾告诉我，他是她所遇见的最棒的
12:24
And his sister would tell me
that he was the sweetest,
that he was the sweetest,
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most generous human being she knew.
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最慷慨的人。
12:30
She was visiting him there
and he showed her his resume,
and he showed her his resume,
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她曾去看望他，他向她展示了简历，
12:34
and she was amazed.
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她惊叹不已。
12:35
She said, "When did my baby brother
become such an accomplished young man?"
become such an accomplished young man?"
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她说，“我的弟弟什么时候
已经长成如此有成就的年轻男士？”
已经长成如此有成就的年轻男士？”
就在Suzanne拜访她弟弟夫妇的几周后，
12:41
Just a few weeks after Suzanne's visit
to her brother and his new wife,
to her brother and his new wife,
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他们的邻居
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their neighbor,
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Craig Stephen Hicks
12:48
Craig Stephen Hicks,
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谋杀了他们，
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murdered them,
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也杀害了Yusor的妹妹Razan，
当天下午她正好去拜访他们，
当天下午她正好去拜访他们，
12:52
as well as Yusor's sister, Razan,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
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事情就发生在他们的公寓里，
12:57
in their apartment,
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以处决的方式，
12:59
execution style,
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此前，他在Facebook主页上
发布反穆斯林的宣言。
发布反穆斯林的宣言。
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after posting anti-Muslim statements
on his Facebook page.
on his Facebook page.
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他射击了Deah八次。
13:06
He shot Deah eight times.
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So bigotry isn't just immoral,
it can even be lethal.
it can even be lethal.
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所以偏执不仅仅是不道德的，
也可能是致命的。
也可能是致命的。
所以，回到我的故事。
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So, back to my story.
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911事件之后发生什么？
13:15
What happened after 9/11?
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Did we go to the mosque
or did we play it safe and stay home?
or did we play it safe and stay home?
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我们去清真寺还是我们待在家里？
我们仔细考虑，
13:21
Well, we talked it over,
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and it might seem like
a small decision, but to us,
a small decision, but to us,
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这看似是一个小小的决定，但对我们来说，
这关乎我们孩子未来生活的美国：
13:26
it was about what kind of America
we wanted to leave for our kids:
we wanted to leave for our kids:
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是一个我们时时处于恐惧中的美国
13:29
one that would control us by fear
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还是一个我们可以自由选择信仰的美国。
13:33
or one where we were practicing
our religion freely.
our religion freely.
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所以我们决定去清真寺。
13:36
So we decided to go to the mosque.
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我们把儿子安置在儿童座椅上，
13:39
And we put my son in his car seat,
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为他系上安全带，默默地紧张地开车，
前往清真寺。
前往清真寺。
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buckled him in, and we drove silently,
intensely, to the mosque.
intensely, to the mosque.
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我抱他出来，脱掉我的鞋子，走进祷告殿。
13:45
I took him out, I took off my shoes,
I walked into the prayer hall
I walked into the prayer hall
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我眼前的景象让我停下了脚步。
13:50
and what I saw made me stop.
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祷告殿里站满了人。
13:53
The place was completely full.
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And then the imam made an announcement,
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阿訇作了讲话，
感谢并欢迎我们的贵宾，
13:57
thanking and welcoming our guests,
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因为一半的人
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because half the congregation
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是基督徒、犹太教徒、佛教徒、无神论者，
14:05
were Christians, Jews,
Buddhists, atheists,
Buddhists, atheists,
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people of faith and no faith,
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这些无论是有信仰的人，还是没信仰的人，
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who had come not to attack us,
but to stand in solidarity with us.
but to stand in solidarity with us.
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不是来攻击我们，而是和我们站在一起。
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（掌声）
14:25
I just break down at this time.
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那个时刻我深受感动。
这些人到场，因为他们选择勇气和同情，
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These people were there because they chose
courage and compassion
courage and compassion
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over panic and prejudice.
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而非恐慌和偏见。
那你的选择是什么呢？
14:36
What will you choose?
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14:39
What will you choose
at this time of fear and bigotry?
at this time of fear and bigotry?
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此时此刻，你是否会选择恐惧和偏见？
你是否会选择所谓的安全？
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Will you play it safe?
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还是你会选择加入那些说
14:47
Or will you join those who say
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我们是更好的人？
14:50
we are better than that?
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谢谢。
14:52
Thank you.
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14:53
(Applause)
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（掌声）
15:07
Thank you so much.
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非常感谢。
Helen Walters：Dalia，你似乎引起了共鸣。
15:12
Helen Walters: So Dalia,
you seem to have struck a chord.
you seem to have struck a chord.
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但我在想，
15:16
But I wonder,
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你会对那些认为
15:18
what would you say to those
who might argue
who might argue
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你是一位有资格进行TED演讲的人说些什么？
15:20
that you're giving a TED Talk,
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15:22
you're clearly a deep thinker,
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显然你的想法很深刻，
就职于一个很棒的智囊团，
15:24
you work at a fancy think tank,
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你是一个例外，不是一般的穆斯林。
15:26
you're an exception, you're not the rule.
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15:28
What would you say to those people?
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你会对持这种观点的人说什么？
Dalia Mogahed: 我会说，请不要让这个舞台影响你，
15:30
Dalia Mogahed: I would say,
don't let this stage distract you,
don't let this stage distract you,
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我是一个彻底的普通人。
15:33
I'm completely ordinary.
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15:35
I'm not an exception.
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我不是例外。
15:37
My story is not unusual.
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我的故事也很普通。
15:39
I am as ordinary as they come.
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我和所有的穆斯林一样。
15:42
When you look at Muslims
around the world --
around the world --
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当你看着世界各地的穆斯林时——
我做过目前为止最大的
15:46
and I've done this, I've done
the largest study ever done
the largest study ever done
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针对穆斯林的研究——
15:49
on Muslims around the world --
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人们想要的东西都很普通。
15:51
people want ordinary things.
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他们希望家庭繁荣，
15:52
They want prosperity for their family,
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他们想要工作，
15:54
they want jobs
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他们希望生活平静。
15:55
and they want to live in peace.
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So I am not in any way an exception.
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所以从任何角度来说，我都不是例外。
当你遇到与你所设想的标准不同的例外时，
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When you meet people who seem
like an exception to the rule,
like an exception to the rule,
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16:03
oftentimes it's that the rule is broken,
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常常是这个标准出了问题，
16:06
not that they're an exception to it.
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而不是这个人有所不同。
HW:非常感谢您，Dalia Mogahed.
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HW: Thank you so much.
Dalia Mogahed.
Dalia Mogahed.
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16:11
(Applause)
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（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholarResearcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities.
Why you should listen
As director of research at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, Dalia Mogahed keeps her finger on the pulse of the Muslim world. She served on Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships in 2009, advising the president on how faith-based organizations can help government solve persistent social problems.
Mogahed is a former director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, where her surveys of Muslim opinion skewered myths and stereotypes while illuminating the varied attitudes of Muslims toward politics, religion, and gender issues. Her 2008 book with John Esposito, Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, outlines these surprising findings.
Dalia Mogahed | Speaker | TED.com