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Dalia Mogahed: What it's like to be Muslim in America
達莉亞．墨訶: 當你看著我的時候，你會想到什麼？
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當你看著穆斯林學者達莉亞．墨訶的時候，你看到什麼：一個充滿信仰的女人？一位學者？一個母親？一位姐妹？或者，是一個受壓迫、被洗腦、潛在的恐怖份子？在這個切身、有力的演說中，達莉亞呼籲我們：在這個分裂的時代，一同為她被媒體負面扭曲的信仰而戰──選擇同理心而非偏見歧視。
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholar
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
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00:13
What do you think when you look at me?
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當你看著我的時候，你會想到什麼？
00:16
A woman of faith? An expert?
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一個充滿信仰的女人？一位專家？
00:19
Maybe even a sister.
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甚至可能是一位姐妹
00:21
Or oppressed,
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或者，是受壓迫的
00:23
brainwashed,
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被洗腦的
00:25
a terrorist.
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一個恐怖份子
00:28
Or just an airport security line delay.
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或者只是個造成機場安檢延遲的原因
00:32
That one's actually true.
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這一個倒是真的
00:34
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:35
If some of your perceptions were negative,
I don't really blame you.
I don't really blame you.
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如果你們之中有些人
對我的看法是負面的，我並不怪你
對我的看法是負面的，我並不怪你
00:38
That's just how the media
has been portraying
has been portraying
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那就是媒體一直以來
對於像我這樣的人
對於像我這樣的人
00:41
people who look like me.
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所塑造的形象
00:42
One study found
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有一個研究發現
00:44
that 80 percent of news coverage
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
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80% 關於伊斯蘭與穆斯林的
新聞報導都是負面的
新聞報導都是負面的
00:48
And studies show that Americans
say that most don't know a Muslim.
say that most don't know a Muslim.
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研究也顯示多數的美國人說
他們不認識任何穆斯林
他們不認識任何穆斯林
00:53
I guess people don't talk
to their Uber drivers.
to their Uber drivers.
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我猜大家大概都不會
和他們的Uber司機聊天吧
和他們的Uber司機聊天吧
00:55
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:59
Well, for those of you
who have never met a Muslim,
who have never met a Muslim,
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那麼，給你們之中
從來不曾遇過穆斯林的人
從來不曾遇過穆斯林的人
01:02
it's great to meet you.
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很高興認識你
01:05
Let me tell you who I am.
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讓我向你們介紹我是誰
01:08
I'm a mom, a coffee lover --
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我是一位母親
一位咖啡愛好者
一位咖啡愛好者
01:11
double espresso, cream on the side.
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雙份濃縮，奶油放旁邊
01:14
I'm an introvert.
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我是一個內向的人
我是一個想成為健身狂的人
01:16
I'm a wannabe fitness fanatic.
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01:18
And I'm a practicing, spiritual Muslim.
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我還是一個信奉、虔誠的穆斯林
01:23
But not like Lady Gaga says,
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
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但並不像女神卡卡所說的
因為親愛的，我並不是生來如此
因為親愛的，我並不是生來如此
01:28
It was a choice.
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這是我自己選擇的
01:31
When I was 17, I decided to come out.
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當我17歲時，我決定要公開
01:35
No, not as a gay person
like some of my friends,
like some of my friends,
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不，不是像我一些朋友那樣
公開自己是同性戀
公開自己是同性戀
01:38
but as a Muslim,
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而是公開表示自己是穆斯林
01:40
and decided to start wearing
the hijab, my head covering.
the hijab, my head covering.
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並且決定開始穿戴我的面紗頭巾
01:44
My feminist friends were aghast:
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我的女性主義朋友都驚呆了
01:47
"Why are you oppressing yourself?"
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「為什麼妳要壓迫自己？」
01:51
The funny thing was,
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有趣的事情是
01:52
it was actually at that time
a feminist declaration of independence
a feminist declaration of independence
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實際上，就在那時
女性主義獨立宣言的壓力
女性主義獨立宣言的壓力
01:58
from the pressure I felt as a 17-year-old,
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壓在17歲的我身上
02:02
to conform to a perfect
and unattainable standard of beauty.
and unattainable standard of beauty.
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我得符合一個難以達到的完「美」標準
02:07
I didn't just passively accept
the faith of my parents.
the faith of my parents.
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我並不只是消極地
接受我父母親的信仰
接受我父母親的信仰
02:12
I wrestled with the Quran.
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我鑽研可蘭經
02:14
I read and reflected
and questioned and doubted
and questioned and doubted
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我閱讀、反思、質疑與懷疑
02:20
and, ultimately, believed.
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然後，最終相信
02:23
My relationship with God --
it was not love at first sight.
it was not love at first sight.
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我與神的關係並不是一見鍾情
02:29
It was a trust and a slow surrender
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而是基於信任與逐漸的臣服
02:32
that deepened with every
reading of the Quran.
reading of the Quran.
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隨著我每次閱讀可蘭經更加深
02:36
Its rhythmic beauty
sometimes moves me to tears.
sometimes moves me to tears.
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它的節奏之美
有時候使我感動落淚
有時候使我感動落淚
02:40
I see myself in it.
I feel that God knows me.
I feel that God knows me.
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我在那之中看到了自己
我覺得神認識我
我覺得神認識我
02:45
Have you ever felt like someone sees you,
completely understands you
completely understands you
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你是否曾感受過
某個人看透且完全了解你
某個人看透且完全了解你
02:50
and yet loves you anyway?
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但依然不計代價地愛你？
02:52
That's how it feels.
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那就是我的感受
02:55
And so later, I got married,
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不久之後，我結婚了
就像所有模範埃及人一樣
02:58
and like all good Egyptians,
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03:00
started my career as an engineer.
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開啟了工程師的職業生涯
03:02
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:06
I later had a child,
after getting married,
after getting married,
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我婚後生了個小孩
03:11
and I was living essentially
the Egyptian-American dream.
the Egyptian-American dream.
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我活在貨真價實的埃及-美國夢裡
03:18
And then that terrible morning
of September, 2001.
of September, 2001.
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然後那個恐怖的早晨到來，2001年9月
03:24
I think a lot of you probably remember
exactly where you were that morning.
exactly where you were that morning.
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我想你們大部分人應該都清楚記得
那個早上你們在哪裡
那個早上你們在哪裡
03:31
I was sitting in my kitchen
finishing breakfast,
finishing breakfast,
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我當時坐在廚房吃早餐
03:34
and I look up on the screen
and see the words "Breaking News."
and see the words "Breaking News."
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我抬頭看電視螢幕
看到「重大新聞」幾個字
看到「重大新聞」幾個字
03:39
There was smoke,
airplanes flying into buildings,
airplanes flying into buildings,
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我看到濃煙，飛機飛入大樓
03:42
people jumping out of buildings.
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人們跳出大樓
03:45
What was this?
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那是怎麼回事？
03:47
An accident?
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一場意外？
03:49
A malfunction?
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一次故障？
03:53
My shock quickly turned to outrage.
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我的震驚很快轉變成憤怒
03:56
Who would do this?
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誰會做這種事？
03:59
And I switch the channel and I hear,
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然後我轉台並聽到
04:02
"... Muslim terrorist ...,"
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「...穆斯林恐怖分子...」
04:04
"... in the name of Islam ...,"
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「...以伊斯蘭教之名...」
04:06
"... Middle-Eastern descent ...,"
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「...中東襲擊...」
04:08
"... jihad ...,"
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「...聖戰...」
04:10
"... we should bomb Mecca."
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「...我們應該炸掉麥加...」
04:12
Oh my God.
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我的天啊
04:15
Not only had my country been attacked,
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不僅是我的國家遭到攻擊了
04:19
but in a flash,
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而且在轉瞬間
04:20
somebody else's actions
had turned me from a citizen
had turned me from a citizen
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因為別人的舉動
使我從一位公民淪為嫌疑犯
04:24
to a suspect.
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04:27
That same day, we had to drive
across Middle America
across Middle America
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就在那同一天
我們必須開車越過美國中部
我們必須開車越過美國中部
04:31
to move to a new city
to start grad school.
to start grad school.
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搬到一個新的城市，開始上碩士學院
04:36
And I remember sitting
in the passenger seat
in the passenger seat
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我記得坐在副駕駛座
04:39
as we drove in silence,
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當時我們在車上沉默不語
我盡可能縮進我的座位
04:41
crouched as low as I could go in my seat,
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04:44
for the first time in my life,
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
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人生第一次，我害怕
有人知道我是穆斯林
有人知道我是穆斯林
04:50
We moved into our apartment
that night in a new town
that night in a new town
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我們那天晚上搬進了新城鎮的公寓
04:54
in what felt like
a completely different world.
a completely different world.
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那感覺就像是一個完全不同的世界
04:57
And then I was hearing
and seeing and reading
and seeing and reading
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然後，我聽到、看到跟讀到
05:01
warnings from national
Muslim organizations
Muslim organizations
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來自全國穆斯林組織的警告
05:04
saying things like,
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
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說「要警覺」、「要小心」
05:08
"Stay in well-lit areas,"
"Don't congregate."
"Don't congregate."
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「待在燈火通明的地區」
「不要聚集」
「不要聚集」
05:12
I stayed inside all week.
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我一整個星期都待在家裡
05:14
And then it was Friday that same week,
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然後是那一週的星期五
05:17
the day that Muslims
congregate for worship.
congregate for worship.
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穆斯林會聚在一起做禮拜的日子
05:22
And again the warnings were,
"Don't go that first Friday,
"Don't go that first Friday,
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然後再一次，警告又說
「第一個星期五不要去了
「第一個星期五不要去了
05:26
it could be a target."
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可能會成為目標。」
05:29
And I was watching the news,
wall-to-wall coverage.
wall-to-wall coverage.
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我看著新聞，大量的報導
05:32
Emotions were so raw, understandably,
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情緒是那麼地激昂、可以理解的
05:35
and I was also hearing
about attacks on Muslims,
about attacks on Muslims,
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我也聽到對穆斯林的攻擊
05:38
or people who were perceived
to be Muslim, being pulled out
to be Muslim, being pulled out
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或者被認為是穆斯林的人
被拉出家門並在街上被毆打
05:41
and beaten in the street.
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05:42
Mosques were actually firebombed.
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有人朝清真寺丟汽油彈
05:45
And I thought, we should just stay home.
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所以我想，我們應該待在家裡
05:47
And yet, something didn't feel right.
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然而，有些事感覺不太對勁
05:51
Because those people
who attacked our country
who attacked our country
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因為那些攻擊「我們國家」的人
05:53
attacked our country.
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攻擊了「我們的國家」
05:58
I get it that people were angry
at the terrorists.
at the terrorists.
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我了解大家為什麼
對恐怖份子感到憤怒
對恐怖份子感到憤怒
06:01
Guess what? So was I.
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你猜怎麼樣？我也是
06:04
And so to have to explain yourself
all the time isn't easy.
all the time isn't easy.
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必須要一直為自己解釋，並不容易
06:10
I don't mind questions. I love questions.
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我不介意有疑問，我熱愛疑問
06:13
It's the accusations that are tough.
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然而，很難熬的是那些指控
06:16
Today we hear people actually
saying things like,
saying things like,
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現在我們聽到人們真的會說
06:20
"There's a problem in this country,
and it's called Muslims.
and it's called Muslims.
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「這個國家有一個問題，叫穆斯林」
06:23
When are we going to get rid of them?"
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「我們什麼時候才要擺脫他們？」
06:25
So, some people want to ban Muslims
and close down mosques.
and close down mosques.
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所以，有些人想要驅逐穆斯林
並且關閉清真寺
並且關閉清真寺
06:29
They talk about my community
kind of like we're a tumor
kind of like we're a tumor
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他們談論我的社區
好像我們是某種腫瘤
好像我們是某種腫瘤
06:32
in the body of America.
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長在美國的身體裡
06:33
And the only question is,
are we malignant or benign?
are we malignant or benign?
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而唯一的問題是
我們是惡性還是良性的呢？
我們是惡性還是良性的呢？
06:37
You know, a malignant tumor
you extract altogether,
you extract altogether,
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你懂的，一個惡性的腫瘤
你會把它斬草除根
你會把它斬草除根
06:40
and a benign tumor
you just keep under surveillance.
you just keep under surveillance.
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而一個良性的腫瘤
你只會把它留下察看
你只會把它留下察看
06:47
The choices don't make sense,
because it's the wrong question.
because it's the wrong question.
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這些選項並不合理
因為這是一個錯誤的問題
因為這是一個錯誤的問題
06:51
Muslims, like all other Americans,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
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穆斯林，就像其他的美國人
不是美國身體裡的一顆腫瘤
不是美國身體裡的一顆腫瘤
06:55
we're a vital organ.
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我們是一個重要的器官
06:58
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
06:59
Thank you.
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謝謝
07:00
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
07:05
Muslims are inventors and teachers,
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穆斯林是發明家跟老師
07:08
first responders and Olympic athletes.
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急救人員與奧運選手
07:12
Now, is closing down mosques
going to make America safer?
going to make America safer?
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那麼，關閉清真寺
真的會讓美國更安全嗎？
真的會讓美國更安全嗎？
07:16
It might free up some parking spots,
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這或許會空出一些停車位置
07:19
but it will not end terrorism.
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但不會終結恐怖主義
07:22
Going to a mosque regularly
is actually linked
is actually linked
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定期去清真寺實際上
能使人對於不同信仰的信徒
有更多包容的觀點
有更多包容的觀點
07:24
to having more tolerant views
of people of other faiths
of people of other faiths
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07:28
and greater civic engagement.
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並且促進公民參與
07:31
And as one police chief
in the Washington, DC area
in the Washington, DC area
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某位華盛頓特區的警察局長
07:34
recently told me,
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最近告訴我
07:36
people don't actually
get radicalized at mosques.
get radicalized at mosques.
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人們並不是真的在清真寺裡
成為激進份子
成為激進份子
07:38
They get radicalized in their basement
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
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他們是在地下室
或臥室的電腦前，成為偏激份子
或臥室的電腦前，成為偏激份子
07:44
And what you find
about the radicalization process
about the radicalization process
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而你會發現，激進化過程
07:47
is it starts online,
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是從網路開始
07:49
but the first thing that happens
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但在這之前會發生的事情是
07:50
is the person gets cut off
from their community,
from their community,
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那個人會先與自己的社區做切割
07:53
from even their family,
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甚至是與家人產生隔離
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so that the extremist group
can brainwash them
can brainwash them
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好讓極端組織能對他們洗腦
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into believing that they,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
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使他們相信
恐怖份子他們，才是真正的穆斯林
恐怖份子他們，才是真正的穆斯林
08:02
and everyone else who abhors
their behavior and ideology
their behavior and ideology
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而任何厭惡他們行為或理念的人
08:06
are sellouts or apostates.
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都是叛徒或變節者
08:09
So if we want to prevent radicalization,
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所以如果我們想要避免激進化
08:11
we have to keep people
going to the mosque.
going to the mosque.
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我們必須讓人持續去清真寺
08:16
Now, some will still argue
Islam is a violent religion.
Islam is a violent religion.
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雖然仍有些人認為
伊斯蘭是一個暴力的宗教
伊斯蘭是一個暴力的宗教
08:20
After all, a group like ISIS
bases its brutality on the Quran.
bases its brutality on the Quran.
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畢竟，像 ISIS 那樣的組織
將其暴行建立在可蘭經之上
將其暴行建立在可蘭經之上
08:26
Now, as a Muslim, as a mother,
as a human being,
as a human being,
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然而，身為穆斯林
身為母親，身為人
身為母親，身為人
08:29
I think we need to do everything we can
to stop a group like ISIS.
to stop a group like ISIS.
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我認為我們必須盡一切努力
去阻止像 ISIS 那樣的組織
去阻止像 ISIS 那樣的組織
08:35
But we would be giving in
to their narrative
to their narrative
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但是我們會正中他們的下懷
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if we cast them as representatives
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
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如果我們將他們視為
一個有16億人信仰的代表
一個有16億人信仰的代表
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
08:49
Thank you.
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謝謝
08:53
ISIS has as much to do with Islam
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ISIS 與伊斯蘭教的關係
08:57
as the Ku Klux Klan has to do
with Christianity.
with Christianity.
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就像 3K 黨與基督教一樣
09:00
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:06
Both groups claim to base
their ideology on their holy book.
their ideology on their holy book.
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這兩個組織都宣稱他們的思想體系
是建立在他們的聖典之上
是建立在他們的聖典之上
09:12
But when you look at them,
they're not motivated
they're not motivated
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但是，當你觀察他們
激勵他們這些行為的
激勵他們這些行為的
09:15
by what they read in their holy book.
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不是來自他們從聖典中所讀到的
09:17
It's their brutality that makes them
read these things into the scripture.
read these things into the scripture.
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是他們的殘暴
使他們將暴行讀入經典之中
使他們將暴行讀入經典之中
09:24
Recently, a prominent imam
told me a story that really took me aback.
told me a story that really took me aback.
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最近，一位傑出的教長
說了一個使我吃驚的故事
說了一個使我吃驚的故事
09:27
He said that a girl came to him
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他說有一個女孩來找他
09:29
because she was thinking
of going to join ISIS.
of going to join ISIS.
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因為她在考慮加入 ISIS
09:32
And I was really surprised and asked him,
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我非常驚訝，並問他
09:34
had she been in contact
with a radical religious leader?
with a radical religious leader?
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她是否與激進的宗教領導接觸過？
09:37
And he said the problem
was quite the opposite,
was quite the opposite,
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而他說問題其實正好相反
09:40
that every cleric that she had
talked to had shut her down
talked to had shut her down
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每個與她相談的神職人員
都拒絕了她
都拒絕了她
09:43
and said that her rage,
her sense of injustice in the world,
her sense of injustice in the world,
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並說她的憤怒、她對世界不公的感受
09:47
was just going to get her in trouble.
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都只會為她帶來麻煩
09:49
And so with nowhere to channel
and make sense of this anger,
and make sense of this anger,
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由於無處可以抒發
無法理解這股憤怒
無法理解這股憤怒
09:53
she was a prime target to be exploited
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她成為極端份子利用的主要目標
09:55
by extremists promising her a solution.
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藉由應許她一個解決之道
09:58
What this imam did was to connect her
back to God and to her community.
back to God and to her community.
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這位教長所做的
是使她重回真主與她的社區之中
是使她重回真主與她的社區之中
10:03
He didn't shame her for her rage --
instead, he gave her constructive ways
instead, he gave her constructive ways
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他沒有因為她的憤怒而責備她
相反的，他給她有建設性的方向
相反的，他給她有建設性的方向
10:08
to make real change in the world.
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來為這個世界做些真正的改變
10:10
What she learned at that mosque
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
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她從清真寺中所學到的
阻止了她加入 ISIS
阻止了她加入 ISIS
10:16
I've told you a little bit
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我已經告訴了你們一些
10:18
about how Islamophobia
affects me and my family.
affects me and my family.
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伊斯蘭恐懼症如何影響我和家人的事
10:21
But how does it impact ordinary Americans?
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但伊斯蘭恐懼症又是如何
影響一般美國民眾呢？
影響一般美國民眾呢？
10:23
How does it impact everyone else?
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它是如何影響其他人？
10:25
How does consuming fear 24 hours a day
affect the health of our democracy,
affect the health of our democracy,
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一天24小時都活在恐懼的吞噬下
是如何影響我們民主制度的健全？
是如何影響我們民主制度的健全？
10:31
the health of our free thought?
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我們自由思想的健全？
10:33
Well, one study -- actually,
several studies in neuroscience --
several studies in neuroscience --
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一項研究... 事實上
有好幾項神經學的研究都指出
有好幾項神經學的研究都指出
10:37
show that when we're afraid,
at least three things happen.
at least three things happen.
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當我們害怕時，至少會出現三個現象
10:41
We become more accepting
of authoritarianism,
of authoritarianism,
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我們會變得更容易接受威權
10:46
conformity and prejudice.
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順從，與偏見
10:49
One study showed that when subjects
were exposed to news stories
were exposed to news stories
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一項研究顯示
當受實驗者越大量接收到
當受實驗者越大量接收到
與穆斯林相關的負面新聞時
10:55
that were negative about Muslims,
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10:58
they became more accepting
of military attacks on Muslim countries
of military attacks on Muslim countries
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他們便越能接受
對穆斯林國家的軍事攻擊
對穆斯林國家的軍事攻擊
11:02
and policies that curtail the rights
of American Muslims.
of American Muslims.
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以及限制美國穆斯林權利的政策
11:06
Now, this isn't just academic.
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不僅僅是學術上的研究
11:08
When you look at when
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
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當你觀察反穆斯林情結激升
11:13
between 2001 and 2013,
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在 2001 到 2013 年之間
11:17
it happened three times,
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就發生了三次
11:18
but it wasn't around terrorist attacks.
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但並不是發生在恐怖攻擊前後
11:21
It was in the run up to the Iraq War
and during two election cycles.
and during two election cycles.
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而是在發起伊拉克戰爭前
和兩次選舉期間
和兩次選舉期間
11:26
So Islamophobia isn't just
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
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因此，伊斯蘭恐懼症並不單純
只是對穆斯林恐怖主義的反應
只是對穆斯林恐怖主義的反應
11:30
as I would have expected.
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不如我預想的那樣
11:33
It can actually be a tool
of public manipulation,
of public manipulation,
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它實際上可以是一個政治操控的手段
11:37
eroding the very foundation
of a free society,
of a free society,
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侵蝕了一個自由社會最重要的根基
11:41
which is rational
and well-informed citizens.
and well-informed citizens.
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也就是理性與資訊充分的公民
11:46
Muslims are like canaries
in the coal mine.
in the coal mine.
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穆斯林就像是礦坑裡的金絲雀
11:49
We might be the first to feel it,
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我們或許是第一個感受到的
11:51
but the toxic air of fear
is harming us all.
is harming us all.
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但恐懼的毒氣卻是傷害著所有人
11:56
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:03
And assigning collective guilt
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而施加集體罪責
12:06
isn't just about having
to explain yourself all the time.
to explain yourself all the time.
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不單純只是得一直為自己辯解
12:09
Deah and his wife Yusor
were a young married couple
were a young married couple
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狄耶和他的太太優絲
是一對年輕的夫婦
是一對年輕的夫婦
12:13
living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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住在北卡羅萊納州教堂山
12:15
where they both went to school.
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他們都在那裡念書
12:17
Deah was an athlete.
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狄耶是運動員
12:20
He was in dental school,
talented, promising ...
talented, promising ...
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他就讀牙醫學院
富有天份，有著大好前程
富有天份，有著大好前程
12:24
And his sister would tell me
that he was the sweetest,
that he was the sweetest,
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他的姊姊會告訴我
他是她所認識最貼心、無私的人
12:28
most generous human being she knew.
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12:30
She was visiting him there
and he showed her his resume,
and he showed her his resume,
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她去他家做客
他拿履歷給姊姊看時
他拿履歷給姊姊看時
12:34
and she was amazed.
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她大吃一驚
12:35
She said, "When did my baby brother
become such an accomplished young man?"
become such an accomplished young man?"
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她說：「我的小弟什麼時候
變成一位如此有為的青年了？」
變成一位如此有為的青年了？」
12:41
Just a few weeks after Suzanne's visit
to her brother and his new wife,
to her brother and his new wife,
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就在蘇珊拜訪她弟弟
與新婚妻子的幾週之後
與新婚妻子的幾週之後
12:46
their neighbor,
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他們的鄰居
12:48
Craig Stephen Hicks,
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奎格‧史蒂芬‧希克斯
12:50
murdered them,
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殺了他們
12:52
as well as Yusor's sister, Razan,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
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以及優絲的姊妹若珊
她下午去做客
她下午去做客
12:57
in their apartment,
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就在他們的公寓裡
12:59
execution style,
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他以處決的形式殺死他們
13:01
after posting anti-Muslim statements
on his Facebook page.
on his Facebook page.
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在這之前，他上臉書
發表了反穆斯林言論
發表了反穆斯林言論
13:06
He shot Deah eight times.
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他向狄耶開了八槍
13:09
So bigotry isn't just immoral,
it can even be lethal.
it can even be lethal.
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偏執不僅是邪惡的
還有可能是致命的
還有可能是致命的
13:14
So, back to my story.
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那麼，回到我的故事
13:15
What happened after 9/11?
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在 911 之後發生了什麼事？
13:17
Did we go to the mosque
or did we play it safe and stay home?
or did we play it safe and stay home?
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我們有去清真寺嗎？
還是我們為了安全留在家裡？
還是我們為了安全留在家裡？
13:21
Well, we talked it over,
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嗯，我們討論了一下
而這看起來可能只是一個小的決定
但是對我們來說
但是對我們來說
13:23
and it might seem like
a small decision, but to us,
a small decision, but to us,
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13:26
it was about what kind of America
we wanted to leave for our kids:
we wanted to leave for our kids:
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這是關於我們想要留給孩子
什麼樣的美國
什麼樣的美國
13:29
one that would control us by fear
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是一個可以藉由恐懼控制我們的國家
13:33
or one where we were practicing
our religion freely.
our religion freely.
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還是一個我們能有自由信仰宗教的國家
13:36
So we decided to go to the mosque.
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所以我們決定去清真寺
13:39
And we put my son in his car seat,
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我們把兒子放在安全座椅上
13:41
buckled him in, and we drove silently,
intensely, to the mosque.
intensely, to the mosque.
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為他繫上安全帶
我們安靜、嚴肅地開往清真寺
我們安靜、嚴肅地開往清真寺
13:45
I took him out, I took off my shoes,
I walked into the prayer hall
I walked into the prayer hall
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我抱他出來，脫掉我的鞋子
走進禮拜殿
走進禮拜殿
13:50
and what I saw made me stop.
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而我所見到的，使我停下腳步
13:53
The place was completely full.
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禮拜殿擠滿了人
13:55
And then the imam made an announcement,
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然後教長做了個開場
13:57
thanking and welcoming our guests,
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感謝與歡迎我們的客人
14:02
because half the congregation
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因為有半數的會眾
14:05
were Christians, Jews,
Buddhists, atheists,
Buddhists, atheists,
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是基督徒、猶太教徒
佛教徒與無神論者
佛教徒與無神論者
14:08
people of faith and no faith,
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有信仰與沒有信仰的人
14:11
who had come not to attack us,
but to stand in solidarity with us.
but to stand in solidarity with us.
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他們並不是來攻擊我們
而是來與我們團結一致
而是來與我們團結一致
14:16
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
14:25
I just break down at this time.
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我在那個當下崩潰了
14:28
These people were there because they chose
courage and compassion
courage and compassion
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那些人到那裡
因為他們選擇了勇氣與關懷
因為他們選擇了勇氣與關懷
14:33
over panic and prejudice.
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而非恐慌與偏見
14:36
What will you choose?
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你會怎麼選擇？
14:39
What will you choose
at this time of fear and bigotry?
at this time of fear and bigotry?
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在這個恐懼與偏執的時候
你會怎麼選擇？
你會怎麼選擇？
14:45
Will you play it safe?
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你會打安全牌
14:47
Or will you join those who say
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或是你會加入那些
14:50
we are better than that?
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站出來說「我們理智多了」的人？
14:52
Thank you.
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謝謝
14:53
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
15:07
Thank you so much.
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非常謝謝
15:12
Helen Walters: So Dalia,
you seem to have struck a chord.
you seem to have struck a chord.
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海倫．華特：達莉亞
你顯然打動了觀眾
你顯然打動了觀眾
15:16
But I wonder,
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但是我好奇
15:18
what would you say to those
who might argue
who might argue
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對那些認為
15:20
that you're giving a TED Talk,
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你都能受邀來 TED 演講
15:22
you're clearly a deep thinker,
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你明顯是個有深度的思考家
15:24
you work at a fancy think tank,
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你在一間高級的智庫工作
15:26
you're an exception, you're not the rule.
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所以你是例外，你不是通例
15:28
What would you say to those people?
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你會對那些人說什麼？
15:30
Dalia Mogahed: I would say,
don't let this stage distract you,
don't let this stage distract you,
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達莉亞．墨訶：我會說
不要讓這個舞台誤導你
不要讓這個舞台誤導你
我非常平凡
15:33
I'm completely ordinary.
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15:35
I'm not an exception.
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我不是例外
15:37
My story is not unusual.
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我的故事並不稀奇
15:39
I am as ordinary as they come.
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我真是平凡到不行
15:42
When you look at Muslims
around the world --
around the world --
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當你看看全世界的穆斯林...
15:46
and I've done this, I've done
the largest study ever done
the largest study ever done
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我曾這麼做過
我做了有史以來最大的研究
我做了有史以來最大的研究
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on Muslims around the world --
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探討全世界的穆斯林
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people want ordinary things.
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大家只想要平凡的事物
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They want prosperity for their family,
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他們想要家庭繁榮
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they want jobs
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他們想要好好工作
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and they want to live in peace.
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他們想要活在和平之中
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So I am not in any way an exception.
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所以在任何一個方面
我都不是例外
我都不是例外
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When you meet people who seem
like an exception to the rule,
like an exception to the rule,
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當你遇到某些人看起來
像是體制上的例外時
像是體制上的例外時
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oftentimes it's that the rule is broken,
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通常是那個體制有問題
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not that they're an exception to it.
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而非他們是例外
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HW: Thank you so much.
Dalia Mogahed.
Dalia Mogahed.
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海倫：非常謝謝你，達莉亞．墨訶
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholarResearcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities.
Why you should listen
As director of research at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, Dalia Mogahed keeps her finger on the pulse of the Muslim world. She served on Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships in 2009, advising the president on how faith-based organizations can help government solve persistent social problems.
Mogahed is a former director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, where her surveys of Muslim opinion skewered myths and stereotypes while illuminating the varied attitudes of Muslims toward politics, religion, and gender issues. Her 2008 book with John Esposito, Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, outlines these surprising findings.
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