ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Rocío Lorenzo - Management consultant, diversity researcher
BCG's Rocío Lorenzo advises telecommunication and media companies on their strategy and how to transform their businesses in times of digital disruption.

Why you should listen

Rocío Lorenzo is a Partner and Managing Director at The Boston Consulting Group, based in Munich.

For the last fifteen years, Lorenzo has worked extensively in telecommunications and media, advising senior executives across Europe and the US on strategy development, growth programs and large scale transformations. She leads the telecommunications growth topic worldwide. In 2015 Rocío was named one of 25 female business leaders by Handelsblatt, HuffPost and Edition F. She is the author of several studies on diversity, including "The Mix that Matters: Innovation through Diversity," and she leads the Women@BCG Initiative in Munich.

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Rocío Lorenzo: How diversity makes teams more innovative

蘿西歐羅倫佐: 想要更創新的公司嗎?僱用更多女性就對了

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多樣化的公司真的比較創新嗎?蘿西歐羅倫佐和她的團隊調查了 171 間公司,試圖找出答案,而答案很清楚,是「是的」。羅倫佐的這場演說能協助你建立一間更出色、更穩健的公司。她鑽研資料,並解釋要如何透過將多樣性視為是競爭優勢的方式,來開始產生更新鮮、更有創意的想法。
- Management consultant, diversity researcher
BCG's Rocío Lorenzo advises telecommunication and media companies on their strategy and how to transform their businesses in times of digital disruption. Full bio

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00:13
Fifteen十五 years年份 ago,
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十五年前,
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I thought that the diversity多樣 stuff東東
was not something I had to worry擔心 about.
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我並不覺得我需要
擔心多樣性的問題。
00:20
It was something an older舊的
generation had to fight鬥爭 for.
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這問題是老一輩的人
才需要去努力爭取的。
00:24
In my university大學,
we were 50-50, male-female男女,
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在我就讀的大學,男女比例各半,
00:28
and we women婦女 often經常 had better grades等級.
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我們女生的成績通常都比較好。
00:31
So while not everything was perfect完善,
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所以,雖然並非一切都很完美,
00:34
diversity多樣 and leadership領導 decisions決定
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多樣性和領導決策
00:36
was something that would happen發生
naturally自然 over time, right?
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是隨時間就會自然發生的,對吧?
00:42
Well, not quite相當.
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嗯,不見得。
00:45
While moving移動 up the ladder階梯
working加工 as a management管理 consultant顧問
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當我繼續向上爬,當上了管理顧問,
00:48
across橫過 Europe歐洲 and the US,
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在歐洲和美國各地工作,
00:50
I started開始 to realize實現 how often經常
I was the only woman女人 in the room房間
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我開始發現到,我常常是
房間中唯一的女性,
00:54
and how homogenous均質 leadership領導 still is.
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且領導階層仍然是非常同質性的。
00:59
Many許多 leaders領導者 I met會見
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我見過許多領導人
01:01
saw diversity多樣 as something to comply執行 with
out of political政治 correctness正確性,
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視多樣性為由於政治正確性
而要去遵守的東西,
01:06
or, best最好 case案件, the right thing to do,
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或者最多視為對的、該做的事,
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but not as a business商業 priority優先.
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但不是企業的優先考量。
01:12
They just did not have a reason原因 to believe
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他們沒有理由相信
01:14
that diversity多樣 would help them achieve實現
their most immediate即時, pressing緊迫 goals目標:
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多樣性能協助他們
達成最立即、最緊迫的目標:
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hitting the numbers數字,
delivering交付 the new product產品,
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讓數字達標、推出新產品等等,
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the real真實 goals目標 they are measured測量 by.
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那些用來評量他們的目標。
01:26
My personal個人 experience經驗
working加工 with diverse多種 teams球隊
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我和多樣性團隊合作的個人經驗是
01:29
had been that while they require要求
a little bit more effort功夫 at the beginning開始,
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雖然在一開始他們需要多點努力,
01:34
they did bring帶來 fresher清新,
more creative創作的 ideas思路.
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他們確實能帶來更新鮮、
更有創意的想法。
01:37
So I wanted to know:
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所以,我想要知道:
01:40
Are diverse多種 organizations組織
really more innovative創新,
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多樣性組織真的比較創新嗎?
01:43
and can diversity多樣 be more
than something to comply執行 with?
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多樣性能不能不只是
一項該遵守的東西?
01:48
Can it be a real真實 competitive競爭的 advantage優點?
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它能不能成為真正的競爭優勢?
01:52
So to find out, we set up a study研究
with the Technical技術 University大學 of Munich慕尼黑.
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為了找出答案,我們和慕尼黑
工業大學合作了一項研究。
01:57
We surveyed調查 171 companies公司
in Germany德國, Austria奧地利 and Switzerland瑞士,
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我們調查了德國、奧地利、
和瑞士的 171 間公司,
02:02
and as we speak說話, we're expanding擴大 the study研究
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現在我正在說話的同時,
我們已經把研究擴展到另外五個國家
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to 1,600 companies公司
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達 1,600 間公司了。
02:08
in five additional額外 countries國家
around the world世界.
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02:11
We asked those companies公司
basically基本上 two things:
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我們問那些公司兩項基本的東西:
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how innovative創新 they are
and how diverse多種 they are.
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問它們的創新以及多樣性的程度。
02:18
To measure測量 the first one,
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為了要測量第一項,
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we asked them about innovation革新 revenue收入.
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我們問它們創新收益相關的問題。
02:24
Innovation革新 revenue收入 is the share分享
of revenues收入 they've他們已經 made製作
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創新收益是在過去三年間,
02:26
from new products製品 and services服務
in the last three years年份,
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新產品和新服務佔了多少收益,
02:29
meaning含義 we did not ask them
how many許多 creative創作的 ideas思路 they have,
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也就是說,我們並沒有問
它們有多少創意想法,
02:33
but rather if these ideas思路
translate翻譯 into products製品 and services服務
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而是這些創意想法
是否使得公司現在和未來的
產品和服務更為成功。
02:36
that really make the company公司
more successful成功 today今天 and tomorrow明天.
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02:41
To measure測量 diversity多樣,
we looked看著 at six different不同 factors因素:
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為了測量多樣性,
我們檢視六個不同的因子:
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country國家 of origin起源,
age年齡 and gender性別, amongst其中包括 others其他.
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原國籍、年齡、性別,和其他。
02:51
While preparing準備 to go in the field領域
with those questions問題,
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在準備要帶著那些問題去實做時,
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I satSAT down with my team球隊
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我和團隊坐下來討論
02:56
and we discussed討論 what
we would expect期望 as a result結果.
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我們期待怎樣的結果。
03:01
To put it mildly溫和, we were not optimistic樂觀.
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用溫和的說法,我們並不樂觀。
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The most skeptical懷疑的 person on the team球隊
thought, or saw a real真實 possibility可能性,
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最多疑的那位團隊成員認為
很可能我們什麼都發現不了。
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that we would find nothing at all.
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03:12
Most of the team球隊
was rather on the cautious謹慎 side,
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大多數團隊成員比較謹慎,
03:14
so we landed登陸 all together一起 at "only if,"
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所以我們最後談的都是「只限於」,
03:18
meaning含義 that we might威力 find
some kind of link鏈接
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意思是我們可能會找到
03:20
between之間 innovation革新 and diversity多樣,
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創新和多樣性之間的某種連結,
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but not across橫過 the board --
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但並非全面適用,
03:24
rather only if certain某些 criteria標準 are met會見,
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而是「只限於」某些
標準被達到的情況下,
03:27
for example leadership領導 style樣式,
very open打開 leadership領導 style樣式
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比如,領導風格,
非常開放的領導風格,
03:31
that allowed允許 people to speak說話 up freely自如
and safely安然 and contribute有助於.
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讓人們能夠自由且安全地
發表意見和做出貢獻。
03:38
A couple一對 of months個月 later後來,
the data數據 came來了 in,
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幾個月後,資料進來了,
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and the results結果 convinced相信
the most skeptical懷疑的 amongst其中包括 us.
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結果說服了我們當中最多疑的人。
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The answer回答 was a clear明確 yes,
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答案很明顯是「是的」,
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no ifsIFS, no buts的擊打.
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沒有「如果」,沒有「但是」,
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The data數據 in our sample樣品 showed顯示
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我們樣本的資料顯示,
03:53
that more diverse多種 companies公司
are simply只是 more innovative創新, period.
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比較多樣化的公司
就是比較創新,就這樣。
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Now, a fair公平 question to ask
is the chicken or the egg question,
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現在應該要問的問題,
是雞生蛋或蛋生雞的問題,
04:04
meaning含義, are companies公司
really more innovative創新
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意思是,公司會比較創新
04:07
because they have
a more diverse多種 leadership領導,
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真的是因為它們有
比較多樣化的領導階層嗎?
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or the other way around?
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或是反過來?
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Which哪一個 way is it?
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哪個才是真的?
04:13
Now, we do not know how much
is correlation相關 versus causation因果關係,
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我們不知道在這相關性中
有多少的因果關係,
04:17
but what we do know is that clearly明確地,
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但我們確實知道,很明顯,
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in our sample樣品, companies公司
that are more diverse多種
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在我們的樣本中,
比較多樣化的公司就比較創新,
04:24
are more innovative創新,
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and that companies公司
that are more innovative創新
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而比較創新的公司
也有比較多樣化的領導階層。
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have more diverse多種 leadership領導, too.
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So it's fair公平 to assume承擔
that it works作品 both ways方法,
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所以可以假設兩個方向都是對的,
04:33
diversity多樣 driving主動 innovation革新
and innovation革新 driving主動 diversity多樣.
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多樣性導致創新,創新導致多樣性。
04:39
Now, once一旦 we published發表 the results結果,
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在我們發表了結果之後,
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we were surprised詫異
about the reactions反應 in the media媒體.
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媒體的反應讓我們很驚訝。
04:46
We got quite相當 some attention注意.
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我們得到了不少的關注。
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And it went from quite相當 factual事實,
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從事實性的描述,
04:52
like "Higher更高 Female Share分享
Boosts提升 Innovation革新"
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如「女性比例較高會激發創新」,
04:56
to a little bit more sensationalist感覺論者.
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到稍微聳動些的。
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
05:01
As you can see,
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你們可以看到,
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"Stay-at-home呆在家裡 Women婦女 Cost成本 Trillions萬億,"
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「女性待在家的代價高達數兆元」,
05:06
and, my personal個人 favorite喜愛,
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我個人的最愛是這個,
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"Housewives家庭主婦 Kill Innovation革新."
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「家庭主婦扼殺了創新」。
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Well, there's no such這樣 thing
as bad publicity公開, right?
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沒有所謂的負面宣傳,對吧?
05:13
(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
05:16
On the back of that coverage覆蓋,
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緊接在那報導之後,
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we started開始 to get calls電話
from senior前輩 executives高管
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我們開始接到高階主管打來的電話,
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wanting希望 to understand理解 more,
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他們想了解更多,
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especially特別 -- surprise, surprise --
about gender性別 diversity多樣.
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尤其讓人驚訝的
是特別想了解性別的多樣性。
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I tend趨向 to open打開 up
those discussions討論 by asking,
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對於這類的討論,我通常
開場的方式是先問:
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"Well, what do you think of the situation情況
in your organization組織 today今天?"
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「你認為現今在你組織內
是怎樣的情況?」
05:35
And a frequent頻繁 reaction反應 to that is,
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對這個問題,常見的反應是:
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"Well, we're not yet然而 there,
but we're not that bad."
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「嗯,我們還沒做到,
但我們也沒太糟。」
05:43
One executive行政人員 told me, for example,
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比如,有位主管告訴我:
05:45
"Oh, we're not that bad.
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「喔,我們沒那麼糟。
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We have one member會員
in our board who is a woman女人."
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我們的董事當中有一名女性。」
05:49
(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
05:51
And you laugh --
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你會笑出來──
05:52
(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
05:58
Now, you laugh, but he had a point
in being存在 proud驕傲 about it,
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你現在會笑,但他對此
感到自豪其實是有根據的,
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because in Germany德國,
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因為在德國,
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if you have a company公司
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如果你有一間公司,
06:06
and it has one member會員
on the board who is a woman女人,
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公司有一名女性董事,
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you are part部分 of a select選擇 group of 30
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你就是前百大公開上市公司當中
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out of the 100 largest最大
publicly公然 listed上市 companies公司.
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特出的三十家之一。
06:15
The other 70 companies公司
have an all-male所有男性 board,
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另外七十間公司的董事全都是男性,
06:20
and not even one of these hundred
largest最大 publicly公然 listed上市 companies公司
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而這百大公開上市的公司中,
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have, as of today今天, a female CEOCEO.
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沒有任何一家有女性執行長,
截至今天都沒有。
06:29
But here's這裡的 the critically危重
important重要 insight眼光.
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但,我要再提出個重要的洞察。
06:32
Those few少數 female board members會員 alone單獨,
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只有那少數幾位女性董事,
06:36
they won't慣於 make a difference區別.
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她們無法造成不同。
06:38
Our data數據 shows節目 that for gender性別 diversity多樣
to have an impact碰撞 on innovation革新,
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我們的資料顯示,
若要讓性別多樣性影響創新,
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you need to have more
than 20 percent百分 women婦女 in leadership領導.
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你得要在領導階層裡面
有超過 20% 的女性。
06:47
Let's have a look at the numbers數字.
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我們來看看數字。
06:50
As you can see, we divided分為
the sample樣品 into three groups,
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如你們所見,我們把樣本分成三組,
06:54
and the results結果 are quite相當 dramatic戲劇性.
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結果十分引人注目。
06:57
Only in the group where you have
more than 20 percent百分 women婦女 in leadership領導,
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只有在領導階層有
超過 20% 女性的那一組,
07:01
only then you see a clear明確 jump
in innovation革新 revenue收入
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只有在那一組,
才看得見創新收益
明顯提升到超過平均值以上。
07:06
to above-average高於平均水平 levels水平.
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07:08
So experience經驗 and data數據
shows節目 that you do need critical危急 mass
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所以,經驗和資料顯示,
你的確需要關鍵人數
07:13
to move移動 the needle,
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才能移動一根針,
07:15
and companies公司 like Alibaba阿里巴巴,
JPJ.P Morgan摩根 or Apple蘋果
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像阿里巴巴、摩根大通、
蘋果等這些公司,
07:18
have as of today今天
already已經 achieved實現 that threshold.
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現今已經達到了那個門檻。
07:24
Another另一個 reaction反應 I got quite相當 a lot was,
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我還常碰到的另一種反應是:
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"Well, it will get solved解決了 over time."
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「嗯,隨時間過去,
問題就會解決。」
07:32
And I have all the sympathy同情 in the world世界
for that point of view視圖,
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對於那種觀點,我非常同情,
07:35
because I used to think like that, too.
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因為我也曾經那麼想。
07:38
Now, let's have a look here again
and look at the numbers數字,
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現在我們再來看看數字,
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taking服用 Germany德國 as an example.
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用德國當例子。
07:44
Let me first give you the good news新聞.
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我先告訴各位好消息。
07:46
So the share分享 of women婦女
who are college學院 graduates畢業生
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大學畢業並且至少具有
07:49
and have at least最小 10 years年份
of professional專業的 experience經驗
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十年專業經驗的女性比例,
07:52
has grown長大的 nicely很好 over the last 20 years年份,
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在過去二十年間都一直在成長,
07:55
which哪一個 means手段 the pool
in which哪一個 to fish for female leaders領導者
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意思就是,女性領導人的人才庫
07:59
has increased增加 over time,
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隨著時間越來越大了,
08:01
and that's great.
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這點是很棒的。
08:03
Now, according根據 to my old theory理論,
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根據我的舊理論,
08:06
the share分享 of women婦女 in leadership領導
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領導階層的女性比例
08:08
would have grown長大的
more or less in parallel平行, right?
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應該多少也會平行成長,對嗎?
08:11
Now, let's have a look
at what happened發生 in reality現實.
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我們來看看現實的狀況。
08:15
It's not even close,
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還差很遠,
08:19
which哪一個 means手段 I was so wrong錯誤
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這意味著,我錯得可大了,
08:22
and which哪一個 means手段 that my generation,
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也意味著我的世代,
08:25
your generation,
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你的世代,
08:27
the best-educated最好的教育
female generation in history歷史,
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史上教育程度最高的女性世代,
08:32
we have just not made製作 it.
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我們就是還沒成功。
08:33
We have failed失敗 to achieve實現 leadership領導
in significant重大 numbers數字.
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我們沒能達成在領導階層
佔有顯著的人數。
08:38
Education教育 just did not
translate翻譯 into leadership領導.
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教育程度並不會直接轉成領導階層。
08:42
Now, that was a painful痛苦 realization實現 for me
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對我而言,那是種痛苦的領會,
08:45
and made製作 me realize實現,
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讓我了解到,
08:48
if we want to change更改 this,
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如果我們想要改變這狀況,
08:50
we need to engage從事,
and we need to do better.
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我們得要參與投入,且要做得更好。
08:54
Now, what to do?
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所以,該怎麼做?
08:57
Achieving實現 more than 20 percent百分
women婦女 in leadership領導
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達成在領導階層至少有
20% 是女性的這項任務,
09:00
seems似乎 like a daunting艱鉅 task任務 to many許多,
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對許多人來說,似乎挺讓人氣餒,
09:03
understandably可以理解的, given特定 the track跟踪 record記錄.
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從過往記錄來看,這是可理解的。
09:07
But it's doable可行,
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但這是可行的,
09:08
and there are many許多 companies公司 today今天
that are making製造 progress進展 there
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現今有很多公司在這方面都有進展,
09:11
and doing it successfully順利.
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且成功做到這一點。
09:13
Let's take SAP樹液, the software軟件
company公司, as an example.
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咱們用思愛普(SAP)
軟體公司來當例子,
09:16
They had, in 2011,
19 percent百分 women婦女 in leadership領導,
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在 2011 年,他們的
領導階層有 19% 是女性,
09:21
yet然而 they decided決定 to do better,
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但他們仍然決定要再做更好些,
09:23
and they did what you do
in any other area of business商業
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而他們的做法,就和你在
任何其他商業領域中
09:26
where you want to improve提高.
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想做改善時的做法一樣。
09:28
They set themselves他們自己 a measurable可測量 target目標.
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他們為自己設定了可測量的目標。
09:31
So they set themselves他們自己 a target目標
of 25 percent百分 for 2017,
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他們設定的目標是,
在 2017 年達到 25%,
09:36
which哪一個 they have just achieved實現.
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他們已經達到這個目標了。
09:39
The goals目標 made製作 them think more creatively創造性
about developing發展 leaders領導者
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因為有目標,在開發領導人方面
他們會做更創意的思考,
09:42
and tapping竊聽 new recruiting招聘 pools.
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也會去開闢新的人才招募來源。
09:45
They now even set a target目標 of 30 percent百分
women婦女 in leadership領導 for 2022.
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他們現在甚至把 2022 年目標
設為領導階層要有 30% 女性。
09:50
So experience經驗 shows節目 it's doable可行,
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所以,經驗顯示這是做得到的,
09:52
and at the end結束 of the day,
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且到頭來,
09:54
it all boils down to two decisions決定
that are taken採取 every一切 day
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都能歸結到每天要做的
兩項決策,在每個組織中,
09:59
in every一切 organization組織 by many許多 of us:
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我們許多人都要做這兩項決策:
10:03
who to hire聘請 and who
to develop發展 and promote促進.
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要僱用誰、要發展誰,及要提拔誰。
10:08
Now, nothing against反對 women's女士的 programs程式,
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我們不是要反對
針對女性的人才計畫、
10:10
networks網絡, mentoring師徒, trainings培訓.
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連結人際關係網、
顧問指導、教育訓練,
10:12
All is good.
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這些都很好。
10:15
But it is these two decisions決定
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但到頭來,是這兩項決策,
10:17
that at the end結束 of the day
send發送 the most powerful強大 change更改 signal信號
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在任何組織中,
發送出最強而有力的改變信號。
10:21
in any organization組織.
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10:25
Now, I never set out
to be a diversity多樣 advocate主張.
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我從來沒有打算要
成為多樣性的提倡者。
10:28
I am a business商業 advisor顧問.
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我是企業顧問。
10:30
But now my goal目標 is
to change更改 the face面對 of leadership領導,
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但現在,現在我的目標
是要改變領導階層的面貌,
10:35
to make it more diverse多種 --
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讓它更多樣化。
10:38
and not so that leaders領導者 can check a box
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目的並不是為了讓領導人打個勾,
10:40
and feel like they have
complied編譯過 with something
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感覺他們已經遵守了什麼,
10:43
or they have been politically政治上 correct正確.
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或是他們已經做到政治正確。
10:46
But because they understand理解,
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而是因為他們了解,
10:47
they understand理解 that diversity多樣
is making製造 their organization組織
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他們了解多樣性讓他們的組織
10:51
more innovative創新, better.
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更創新、更出色。
10:53
And by embracing擁抱 diversity多樣,
by embracing擁抱 diverse多種 talent天賦,
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透過擁抱多樣性,
透過擁抱多樣化的人才,
10:57
we are providing提供
true真正 opportunity機會 for everyone大家.
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我們就能夠提供每個人真正的機會。
11:00
Thank you. Thank you so much.
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謝謝。非常謝謝大家。
11:02
(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
Translated by Lilian Chiu
Reviewed by Helen Chang

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Rocío Lorenzo - Management consultant, diversity researcher
BCG's Rocío Lorenzo advises telecommunication and media companies on their strategy and how to transform their businesses in times of digital disruption.

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Rocío Lorenzo is a Partner and Managing Director at The Boston Consulting Group, based in Munich.

For the last fifteen years, Lorenzo has worked extensively in telecommunications and media, advising senior executives across Europe and the US on strategy development, growth programs and large scale transformations. She leads the telecommunications growth topic worldwide. In 2015 Rocío was named one of 25 female business leaders by Handelsblatt, HuffPost and Edition F. She is the author of several studies on diversity, including "The Mix that Matters: Innovation through Diversity," and she leads the Women@BCG Initiative in Munich.

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