ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Neil MacGregor - Director of The British Museum
The writer and presenter of the BBC Radio 4 series "A History of the World in 100 Objects" and the accompanying book.

Why you should listen

Established by Act of Parliament in 1753 as a museum for the world (and free to enter, down to this day), the British Museum has built a near-encyclopedic collection of art and artifacts representing the sweep of human history across 2 million years. In his 2010 radio series A History of the World in 100 Objects (accompanied by a splendid book with the same title), director Neil MacGregor showed how the artifacts and items we collect are a powerful tool for sharing our shared human narrative.

MacGregor has long been fascinated with the way museums can tell the world's story. At the British Museum, he's negotiated his way to mounting shows full of Chinese and Persian treasures, helping sometimes-prickly governments to share his mission of cultural togetherness. He was named Briton of the Year in 2008 by the Sunday Times, who said, "He is a committed idealist who, in a world in which culture is increasingly presented as the acceptable face of politics, has pioneered a broader, more open, more peaceable way forward."

He says: "That’s what the museum is about: giving people their place in things.”

More profile about the speaker
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Neil MacGregor: 2600 years of history in one object

Neil MacGregor: 繼承2600年文明的一物

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呢個刻滿阿卡德人楔形文字嘅陶製圓柱,儘管有些損毀,它依然喺宗教文化多元嘅有力象徵。喺呢場別開生面嘅演講當中,單靠呢個文物,大英博物館Neil, 帶我哋返到2600年前嘅中東。
- Director of The British Museum
The writer and presenter of the BBC Radio 4 series "A History of the World in 100 Objects" and the accompanying book. Full bio

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The things we make
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我們人類所創造嘅事物
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have one supreme最高 quality質素 --
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有一個最獨特嘅特點
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they live longer than us.
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就喺佢哋嘅壽命好長,甚至超越人類
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We perish滅亡, they survive生存;
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人類滅亡咗,佢哋依然會存在
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we have one life, they have many好多 lives生活,
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我哋只有一條命,佢哋卻能保存達幾個世紀
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and in each每個 life they can mean different不同 things.
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喺唔同嘅時間點,佢哋所代表嘅涵義都不一樣
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Which means意味着 that, while we all have one biography傳記,
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就好似一份傳記就能代表一個人嘅一生
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they have many好多.
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例子好豐富。
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I want this morning早上 to talk
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今日我想講嘅喺
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about the story故事, the biography傳記 -- or rather the biographies傳記 --
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一個故事同一份傳記,事實應該喺好幾份傳記
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of one particular特定 object對象,
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呢系列傳記屬於同一項
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one remarkable顯著 thing.
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非常奇特嘅文物有關
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It doesn't, I agree同意,
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我承認它不單純
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look very much.
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它睇起來沒咩特別
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It's about the size大小 of a rugby橄欖毬 ball.
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大概就同一個橄欖球差不多大
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It's made作出 of clay粘土,
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它喺由陶土做成
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and it's been fashioned老式
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成型為
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into a cylinder shape形狀,
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圓柱體
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covered覆蓋 with close關閉 writing寫作
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有人先喺上面刻滿了密密麻麻嘅文字
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and then baked dry in the sun太陽.
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之後就放喺太陽底下曬乾
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And as you can see,
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應該不難發現
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it's been knocked about a bit,
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它有一部分受損
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which is not surprising令人驚訝
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其實很正常
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because it was made作出 two and a half一半 thousand years ago
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因為它有2500歲了
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and was dug up
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然後喺1879年
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in 1879.
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先至被挖出來
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But today今日,
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我相信
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this thing is, I believe,
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呢樣嘢
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a major主要 player球員
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喺中東政局上
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in the politics政治 of the Middle中間 East.
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扮演咗好重要嘅角色
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And it's an object對象
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呢個文物
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with fascinating迷人 stories故事
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包含咗好多膾炙人口嘅故事
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and stories故事 that are by no means意味着 over yet尚未.
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而呢D故事仲未結束
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The story故事 begins初時
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故事喺從
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in the Iran-Iraq伊朗-伊拉克 war戰爭
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兩伊戰爭果時開始嘅
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and that series系列 of events事件
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而呢一系列故事嘅
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that culminated最終
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最高峰
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in the invasion入侵 of Iraq伊拉克
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喺系伊拉克
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by foreign外國 forces力量,
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被外國勢力入侵果陣
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the removal去除 of a despotic專制 ruler統治者
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獨裁政權垮臺
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and instant即時 regime政權 change.
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政權隨之改變
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And I want to begin初時
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我會從一連串嘅事件當中
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with one episode情節 from that sequence序列 of events事件
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揀一段講起
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that most of you would be very familiar熟悉 with,
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伯沙撒的盛宴
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Belshazzar's伯沙撒嘅 feast盛宴 --
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我唸大部分嘅人應該都好熟悉呢個故事
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because we're talking講嘢 about the Iran-Iraq伊朗-伊拉克 war戰爭
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因為我哋要談嘅
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of 539 BC公元前.
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喺公元前539年嘅兩伊戰爭
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And the parallels相似之處
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公元前539年
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between之間 the events事件
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同西元2003年嘅兩伊戰爭
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of 539 BC公元前 and 2003 and in between之間
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兩個戰爭嘅相似程度
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are startling驚人.
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真嘅很令人意外
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What you're looking at is Rembrandt's伦勃朗嘅 painting繪畫,
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宜家你哋睇到嘅喺
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now in the National國家 Gallery in London倫敦,
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現存於倫敦國家美術館嘅林布藍嘅作品
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illustrating the text文本 from the prophet先知 Daniel丹尼尔
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呢幅畫描述咗希伯來經文中
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in the Hebrew希伯來文 scriptures聖經.
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先知但以理書所預言
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And you all know roughly大約 the story故事.
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呢個故事你哋或多或少都知道一點
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Belshazzar伯沙撒, the son of Nebuchadnezzar布卡娜萨,
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伯沙撒喺尼布甲尼撒嘅仔
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Nebuchadnezzar布卡娜萨 who'd邊個會 conquered征服 Israel以色列, sacked炒魷 Jerusalem耶路撒冷
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尼布甲尼撒征服咗以色列再劫掠耶路撒冷
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and captured捕獲 the people
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俘虜當地人民
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and taken採取 the Jews猶太人 back to Babylon巴比倫.
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將猶太人
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Not only the Jews猶太人, he'd佢會 taken採取 the temple寺廟 vessels船隻.
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仲有神殿中嘅神器帶回巴比倫
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He'd佢會 ransacked洗劫, desecrated褻瀆 the temple寺廟.
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他褻瀆神殿再搜刮神殿中嘅寶物
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And the great gold黃金 vessels船隻 of the temple寺廟 in Jerusalem耶路撒冷
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耶路撒冷神殿中嘅大型金屬容器
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had been taken採取 to Babylon巴比倫.
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都被帶回巴比倫
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Belshazzar伯沙撒, his son,
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尼布甲尼撒嘅兒子伯沙撒
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decides決定 to have a feast盛宴.
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決定舉辦一場宴會
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And in order to make it even more exciting令人興奮,
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為咗要炒熱氣氛
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he added添加 a bit of sacrilege褻瀆 to the rest休息 of the fun有趣,
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他將褻瀆神嘅行為加入餘興節目當中
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and he brings帶嚟 out the temple寺廟 vessels船隻.
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他拿起神器
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He's already at war戰爭 with the Iranians伊朗,
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當時佢哋正系度同伊朗人打仗
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with the king國王 of Persia波斯.
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同波斯王打仗
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And that night, Daniel丹尼尔 tells話畀 us,
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果日晚上但以理將
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at the height高度 of the festivities慶祝活動
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喺宴會嘅關鍵時刻
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a hand appeared出現 and wrote on the wall,
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出現咗一隻手,果隻手喺牆上寫道
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"You are weighed in the balance平衡 and found發現 wanting希望,
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"你被秤系天平裏面,顯出你嘅虧欠
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and your kingdom王國 is handed遞畀 over
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你嘅國要歸與
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to the Medes米提 and the Persians波斯."
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瑪代人和波斯人"
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And that very night
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就喺果晚
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Cyrus赛勒斯, king國王 of the Persians波斯, entered進入 Babylon巴比倫
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居魯士波斯之王向巴比倫出征
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and the whole整個 regime政權 of Belshazzar伯沙撒 fell下跌.
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伯沙撒嘅王國毀於一旦
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It is, of course課程, a great moment時刻
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想當然
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in the history歷史
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對於希伯來歷史嚟講
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of the Jewish猶太 people.
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呢喺個非常重要嘅一刻
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It's a great story故事. It's story故事 we all know.
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呢真喺個好犀利嘅故事而我哋都知呢個故事
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"The writing寫作 on the wall"
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牆上嘅字
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is part部分 of our everyday每日 language語言.
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就喺我哋現代用語中嘅一部分
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What happened發生 next
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接咯來所發生嘅事
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was remarkable顯著,
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十分精彩
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and it's where our cylinder
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而我哋剛才講嘅圓柱
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enters進入 the story故事.
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就要出場
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Cyrus赛勒斯, king國王 of the Persians波斯,
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波斯王居魯士
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has entered進入 Babylon巴比倫 without a fight戰鬥 --
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不費一兵一卒就得到巴比倫
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the great empire帝國 of Babylon巴比倫,
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偉大嘅王國巴比倫
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which ran from central中央 southern南部 Iraq伊拉克
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一路從南伊拉克中部
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to the Mediterranean地中海,
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逃至到地中海
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falls瀑布 to Cyrus赛勒斯.
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最後還是臣服於居魯士
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And Cyrus赛勒斯 makes使 a declaration聲明.
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後來居魯士公布咗一項宣言
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And that is what this cylinder is,
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果個宣言就刻喺呢個圓柱體上
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the declaration聲明 made作出 by the ruler統治者 guided引導 by God
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這項宣言是由接受上帝指引嘅統治者頒布嘅
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who had toppled推翻 the Iraqi伊拉克 despot暴君
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他不僅推翻咗伊拉克嘅暴君
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and was going to bring freedom自由 to the people.
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更帶給人民自由
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In ringing Babylonian巴比倫 --
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圓柱上嘅
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it was written in Babylonian巴比倫 --
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巴比倫語寫上
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he says, "I am Cyrus赛勒斯, king國王 of all the universe宇宙,
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朕乃居魯士 宇宙之王
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the great king國王, the powerful強大 king國王,
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偉大之王 強盛之王
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king國王 of Babylon巴比倫, king國王 of the four quarters宿舍 of the world世界."
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朕乃巴比倫之王 世界之王
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They're not shy羞家 of hyperbole誇張 as you can see.
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看來他們誇飾法用得一點也唔掩飾
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This is probably可能
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呢應該喺
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the first real真正 press release釋放
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我們所獲嘅
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by a victorious勝利 army軍隊
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第一份真正由勝利方
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that we've我哋都 got.
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發布嘅新聞稿
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And it's written, as we'll我哋就 see in due由于 course課程,
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稍後我哋就知道
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by very skilled熟落 P.R. consultants顧問.
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這是由經驗豐富嘅公關顧問寫出來嘅
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So the hyperbole誇張 is not actually講真 surprising令人驚訝.
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所以誇飾法用成甘樣也就沒咩大不了
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And what is the great king國王, the powerful強大 king國王,
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甘接下來 那偉大之王 強盛之王
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the king國王 of the four quarters宿舍 of the world世界 going to do?
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世界之王要做咩呢
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He goes on to say that, having conquered征服 Babylon巴比倫,
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他接著又講 巴比倫既已征服
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he will at once一旦 let all the peoples人民
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他馬上要讓果D
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that the Babylonians巴比倫 -- Nebuchadnezzar布卡娜萨 and Belshazzar伯沙撒 --
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被尼布甲尼撒與伯沙撒所俘虜
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have captured捕獲 and enslaved奴役
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所奴役嘅異族人
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go free自由.
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重獲自由
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He'll佢會 let them return返回 to their佢哋 countries國家.
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他要讓佢哋重回家鄉
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And more important重要,
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但更這要嘅喺
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he will let them all recover恢復
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他還歸還咗果D
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the gods, the statues雕像,
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曾被沒收嘅
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the temple寺廟 vessels船隻
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神像塑像
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that had been confiscated.
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以及神器
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All the peoples人民 that the Babylonians巴比倫 had repressed壓抑 and removed刪除
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所有被巴比倫人鎮壓,被俘虜嘅人
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will go home,
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都可以迴歸
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and they'll佢地會 take with them their佢哋 gods.
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都能同佢哋嘅神一同離去
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And they'll佢地會 be able to restore恢復 their佢哋 altars祭壇
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他們都能重修祭壇
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and to worship崇拜 their佢哋 gods
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以他們嘅方式
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in their佢哋 own自己 way, in their佢哋 own自己 place地方.
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在屬於他們的地方,崇敬他們的神
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This is the decree法令,
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就是呢個法令
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this object對象 is the evidence證據
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這就是最好嘅證物
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for the fact事實 that the Jews猶太人,
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它證明咗猶太人
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after the exile流亡 in Babylon巴比倫,
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流亡巴比倫後
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the years they'd佢地會 spent sitting by the waters水域 of Babylon巴比倫,
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坐喺巴比倫水邊,詠懷耶路撒冷
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weeping哭泣 when they remembered記得 Jerusalem耶路撒冷,
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不停啜泣嘅果段歲月
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those Jews猶太人 were allowed允許 to go home.
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而最後,佢哋終於重獲自由
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They were allowed允許 to return返回 to Jerusalem耶路撒冷
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他們得以返回耶路撒冷
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and to rebuild重建 the temple寺廟.
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重建神殿
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It's a central中央 document快勞
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呢喺猶太歷史中嘅
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in Jewish猶太 history歷史.
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核心文獻
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And the Book of Chronicles編年史, the Book of Ezra艾拉 in the Hebrew希伯來文 scriptures聖經
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在希伯來經文中嘅,歷代志同以斯拉記之中
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reported報道 in ringing terms條款.
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都詳盡記下呢一切
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This is the Jewish猶太 version版本
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呢喺同一個故事
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of the same相同 story故事.
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只是是猶太版本嘅
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"Thus因此 said Cyrus赛勒斯, king國王 of Persia波斯,
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"波斯王古列(居魯士)如此說
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'All the kingdoms王國 of the earth地球 have the Lord God of heaven天堂 given thee,
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'耶和華天上的神 已將天下萬國賜給我
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and he has charged指控 me
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又囑咐我
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to build建立 him a house房子 in Jerusalem耶路撒冷.
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在猶大的耶路撒冷為他建造殿宇
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Who is there among之間 you of his people?
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你們中間凡作他子民嘅
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The Lord God be with him,
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可以上去
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and let him go up.'"
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願耶和華他的神與他同在'"
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"Go up" -- aalehaaleh.
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上去 重回故國
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The central中央 element元素, still,
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of the notion概念 of return返回,
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a central中央 part部分
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依然是猶太教文化嘅
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of the life of Judaism猶太教.
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核心思想
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As you all know, that return返回 from exile流亡,
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the second第二 temple寺廟,
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耶路撒冷的回歸與第二神殿
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reshaped重塑 Judaism猶太教.
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重新塑造咗猶太教
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And that change,
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波斯王居魯士實現咗
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that great historic歷史 moment時刻,
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呢個轉機
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was made作出 possible可能 by Cyrus赛勒斯, the king國王 of Persia波斯,
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呢歷史上嘅重要一刻
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reported報道 for us in Hebrew希伯來文 in scripture聖經
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希伯來文嘅經文,巴比倫語嘅陶器
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and in Babylonian巴比倫 in clay粘土.
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都詳細記載咗這一切
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Two great texts文本,
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兩份都是好重要嘅文獻
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what about the politics政治?
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甘政治方面又喺點呢
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What was going on
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was the fundamental基本 shift轉變 in Middle中間 Eastern東部 history歷史.
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對中東歷史產生咗重大嘅轉變
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The empire帝國 of Iran伊朗, the Medes米提 and the Persians波斯,
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居魯士統一
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united聯合 under Cyrus赛勒斯,
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瑪代人與波斯人嘅伊朗
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became成為 the first great world世界 empire帝國.
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建立咗第一個世界性大帝國
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Cyrus赛勒斯 begins初時 in the 530s BC公元前.
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居魯士嘅霸業從西元前530年開始
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And by the time of his son Darius达瑞斯,
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及至其子大流士時
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the whole整個 of the eastern東部 Mediterranean地中海
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整個東地中海地區
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is under Persian波斯文 control控制.
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都已經納入咗波斯帝國版圖
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This empire帝國 is, in fact事實,
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事實上,呢個帝國統治咗
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the Middle中間 East as we now know it,
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我們宜家所知嘅中東地區
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and it's what shapes形狀 the Middle中間 East as we now know it.
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因為有呢個帝國先至有宜家嘅中東地區
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It was the largest最大 empire帝國 the world世界 had known until直到 then.
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它喺當時世界上最大嘅帝國
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Much more important重要,
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it was the first
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multicultural多元文化, multifaithmultifaith state狀態
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大規模融合咗多元文化
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on a huge巨大 scale規模.
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與多元信仰嘅國家
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And it had to be run運行 in a quite都幾 new新增功能 way.
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它必須以新嘅方式治理
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It had to be run運行 in different不同 languages語言.
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必須以各種語言傳達政令
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The fact事實 that this decree法令 is in Babylonian巴比倫 says one thing.
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巴比倫語版本嘅政令就證明了真有此事
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And it had to recognize認識 their佢哋 different不同 habits習慣,
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它必須承認在系同個國家裡面
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different不同 peoples人民, different不同 religions宗教, different不同 faiths信仰.
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會有不同的習俗,不同的種族,不同宗教,不同信仰
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All of those are respected尊重 by Cyrus赛勒斯.
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居魯士尊重呢D差異
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Cyrus赛勒斯 sets up a model模型
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居魯士設立咗典範
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of how you run運行
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教我們點樣治理
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a great multinational跨國, multifaithmultifaith, multicultural多元文化 society社會.
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一個蘊含多元種族,多元信仰,多元文化嘅社會
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And the result結果 of that
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結果就是
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was an empire帝國 that included包括 the areas一區 you see on the screen屏幕,
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他建立咗一個橫跨許多地區嘅大帝國,就好似你們在螢幕上見到嘅一樣
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and which survived倖存 for 200 years of stability穩定性
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呢個帝國維持咗200年之久嘅穩定強盛
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until直到 it was shattered粉碎 by Alexander亞歷山大.
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直到被亞歷山大征服
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It left a dream夢想 of the Middle中間 East as a unit單位,
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呢個帝國為中東嘅統一留下咗一個夢
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and a unit單位 where people of different不同 faiths信仰
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一個不同信仰嘅人
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could live together一起.
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都可以共同生活嘅夢
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The Greek希臘文 invasions入侵 ended結束 that.
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但喺希臘人嘅入侵粉碎咗呢一切
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And of course課程, Alexander亞歷山大 couldn't唔可以 sustain維持 a government政府
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當然亞歷山大無力維持政權
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and it fragmented支離破碎.
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呢個帝國隨後便四分五裂
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But what Cyrus赛勒斯 represented代表
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但居魯士所代表嘅
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remained仲係 absolutely絕對 central中央.
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仍喺絕對嘅核心意義
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The Greek希臘文 historian史學家 Xenophon诺芬
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在希臘史學家色諾芬所寫嘅
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wrote his book "CyropaediaCyropaedia"
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居魯士嘅教育一書中
08:44
promoting促進 Cyrus赛勒斯 as the great ruler統治者.
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他推崇居魯士喺個偉大嘅統治者
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And throughout整個 European歐洲 culture文化 afterward後來,
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在後來嘅整個歐洲文化中
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Cyrus赛勒斯 remained仲係 the model模型.
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居魯士仍然喺個不朽嘅典範
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This is a 16th century世紀 image圖像
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這是16世紀時嘅形象
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to show顯示 you how widespread廣泛
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用以證明人們
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his veneration崇拜 actually講真 was.
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推崇他嘅程度究竟有多廣
08:59
And Xenophon's诺芬嘅 book on Cyrus赛勒斯
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色諾芬在書中描述咗
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on how you ran a diverse不同 society社會
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居魯士如何治理一個多元嘅社會
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was one of the great textbooks教科書
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而這本偉大嘅書
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that inspired啟發 the Founding成立 Fathers老竇
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啟發了美國革命嘅
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of the American美國 Revolution革命.
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諸位國父
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Jefferson杰斐逊 was a great admirer崇拜 --
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傑佛遜就是其中一位仰慕者
09:12
the ideals理想 of Cyrus赛勒斯
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居魯士證明咗
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obviously顯然 speaking to those 18th century世紀 ideals理想
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要如何喺
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of how you create創建 religious宗教 tolerance寬容
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18世紀嘅新國度當中
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in a new新增功能 state狀態.
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創造宗教寬容嘅氛圍
09:23
Meanwhile同時, back in Babylon巴比倫,
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宜家等我哋返到巴比倫
09:25
things had not been going well.
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但情況似乎不太樂觀
09:27
After Alexander亞歷山大, the other empires帝國,
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喺亞歷山大之後有幾位君主
09:30
Babylon巴比倫 declines下降, falls瀑布 into ruins廢墟,
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令巴比倫日漸衰頹只遺留落頹垣敗瓦
09:33
and all the traces of the great Babylonian巴比倫 empire帝國 are lost失去 --
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所有能夠證明巴比倫曾經強盛嘅蛛絲馬跡,都已經消失匿跡
09:37
until直到 1879
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直到1879年
09:39
when the cylinder is discovered發現
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大英博物館為咗展覽
09:42
by a British英國 Museum博物館 exhibition展覽 digging in Babylon巴比倫.
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喺巴比倫挖出呢個圓柱
09:45
And it enters進入 now another另一個 story故事.
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現在又喺另一個故事啦
09:48
It enters進入 that great debate辯論
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19世紀中葉時
09:50
in the middle中間 of the 19th century世紀:
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曾有一場大規模嘅辯論
09:52
Are the scriptures聖經 reliable可靠? Can we trust信任 them?
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經文真嘅可信嗎,我哋應該相信經文嗎?
09:55
We only knew
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從希伯來經文中
09:57
about the return返回 of the Jews猶太人 and the decree法令 of Cyrus赛勒斯
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我哋只能瞭解到
09:59
from the Hebrew希伯來文 scriptures聖經.
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猶太人嘅回歸同居魯士嘅法令
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No other evidence證據.
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無其他證據
10:03
Suddenly突然, this appeared出現.
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突然它嘅出現
10:05
And great excitement興奮
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對當時
10:07
to a world世界 where those who believed相信 in the scriptures聖經
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相信經文與創世紀
10:09
had had their佢哋 faith信仰 in creation創造 shaken動搖
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卻被演化論同地質學所動搖嘅人來講
10:11
by evolution演化, by geology地質,
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它帶來咗多麼大嘅震撼
10:13
here was evidence證據
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它證實咗
10:15
that the scriptures聖經 were historically歷史 true真係.
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經文在歷史上喺真實存在嘅
10:17
It's a great 19th century世紀 moment時刻.
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呢是19世紀嘅偉大時刻
10:20
But -- and this, of course課程, is where it becomes成為 complicated複雜 --
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但當然,從此以後,事情越來越複雜
10:25
the facts事實 were true真係,
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事實都是真嘅
10:27
hurrah歡呼 for archeology考古學,
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在考古學上無疑喺好消息
10:30
but the interpretation解釋 was rather more complicated複雜.
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但要點樣去詮釋,卻喺更加困難的課題
10:33
Because the cylinder account帳戶 and the Hebrew希伯來文 Bible聖經 account帳戶
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因為圓柱所陳述嘅,同希伯來經文中陳述嘅
10:36
differ不同 in one key關鍵 respect尊重.
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有個關鍵嘅差異
10:38
The Babylonian巴比倫 cylinder
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圓柱體上嘅巴比倫語
10:40
is written by the priests牧師
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喺由信奉巴比倫之神
10:42
of the great god of BablyonBablyon, Marduk马杜克.
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馬爾杜克嘅祭司所寫嘅
10:44
And, not surprisingly奇怪,
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所以可想而知
10:46
they tell you that all this was done by Marduk马杜克.
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他們會說,呢一切都喺馬爾杜克嘅神蹟
10:48
"Marduk马杜克, we hold舉行, called Cyrus赛勒斯 by his name名字."
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馬爾杜克-我哋所信奉嘅神,以祂嘅名,召喚居魯士
10:51
Marduk马杜克 takes Cyrus赛勒斯 by the hand,
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馬爾杜克拉著居魯士嘅手
10:54
calls調用 him to shepherd牧羊人 his people
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命他帶領他嘅子民
10:56
and gives him the rule規則 of Babylon巴比倫.
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並授予他統治巴比倫嘅權力
10:59
Marduk马杜克 tells話畀 Cyrus赛勒斯
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馬爾杜克告訴居魯士講話
11:01
that he will do these great, generous慷慨 things
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他會釋放果D異族人民
11:03
of setting設置 the people free自由.
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多麼偉大而慷慨嘅壯舉
11:05
And this is why we should all be grateful感激 to
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這就是我們要感激
11:07
and worship崇拜 Marduk马杜克.
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並且崇拜馬爾杜克嘅原因
11:09
The Hebrew希伯來文 writers作家
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而在希伯來嘅舊約聖經中
11:11
in the Old Testament證明,
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對此卻有
11:13
you will not be surprised驚訝 to learn學習,
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截然不同嘅看法
11:16
take a rather different不同 view视图 of this.
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但這也沒咩好驚奇嘅
11:18
For them, of course課程, it can't possibly可能 by Marduk马杜克
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想當然, 對佢哋而言
11:20
that made作出 all this happen發生.
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呢一切絕不可能喺馬爾杜克嘅功勞
11:22
It can only be Jehovah耶和華.
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只能喺耶和華嘅神蹟
11:24
And so in Isaiah以賽亞,
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在以賽亞書中嘅描述都是甘樣
11:26
we have the wonderful美妙 texts文本
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功勞皆屬
11:28
giving all the credit信用 of this,
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以色列之主
11:30
not to Marduk马杜克
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而唔系馬爾杜克
11:31
but to the Lord God of Israel以色列 --
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而系以色列之主
11:34
the Lord God of Israel以色列
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以色列之主
11:36
who also called Cyrus赛勒斯 by name名字,
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同樣召喚咗居魯士
11:38
also takes Cyrus赛勒斯 by the hand
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同樣拉住居魯士嘅手
11:41
and talks會談 of him shepherding牧羊 his people.
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也同樣命他管好他嘅子民
11:43
It's a remarkable顯著 example例子
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呢系個絕佳嘅例子
11:45
of two different不同 priestly祭司 appropriations撥款 of the same相同 event事件,
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講明咗同一件事,卻可以有不同嘅宗教詮釋
11:49
two different不同 religious宗教 takeovers收購
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同一個政治事件
11:51
of a political政治 fact事實.
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卻可以有不同嘅宗教描述
11:53
God, we know,
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我們都知道
11:55
is usually通常 on the side一邊 of the big battalions.
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神總是站在強大嘅一方
11:57
The question個問題 is, which god was it?
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問題喺到底邊個個神做嘅
12:00
And the debate辯論 unsettles攪亂
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呢場辯論,將19世紀搞得人心惶惶
12:02
everybody大家 in the 19th century世紀
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都使大家瞭解到
12:04
to realize實現 that the Hebrew希伯來文 scriptures聖經
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希伯來經文只喺
12:06
are part部分 of a much wider廣泛 world世界 of religion宗教.
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偌大嘅宗教世界中嘅一小部分
12:09
And it's quite都幾 clear清楚
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可以確定嘅是
12:11
the cylinder is older than the text文本 of Isaiah以賽亞,
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圓柱比以賽亞書還仲早出現
12:14
and yet尚未, Jehovah耶和華 is speaking
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而耶和華所使用嘅語言
12:16
in words的話 very similar類似
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與馬爾杜克所使用嘅
12:18
to those used by Marduk马杜克.
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十分類似
12:20
And there's a slight輕微 sense that Isaiah以賽亞 knows this,
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以賽亞知道這件事
12:23
because he says,
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應該仲算合理
12:25
this is God speaking, of course課程,
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因為佢管當然喺神講嘅
12:28
"I have called thee by thy name名字
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"你雖不認識我
12:30
though雖然 thou hast not known me."
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我也加給你名號"
12:32
I think it's recognized認可
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我惗大家都會承認
12:34
that Cyrus赛勒斯 doesn't realize實現
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居魯士並不知道
12:36
that he's acting代理 under orders訂單 from Jehovah耶和華.
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他其實喺依照耶和華嘅指令行事
12:39
And equally同樣, he'd佢會 have been surprised驚訝 that he was acting代理 under orders訂單 from Marduk马杜克.
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同樣,如果佢知道佢系聽咗馬爾杜克嘅話先做呢件事,他會嚇一大跳
12:42
Because interestingly有趣, of course課程,
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因為很有趣嘅系
12:44
Cyrus赛勒斯 is a good Iranian伊朗
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居魯士喺個純百分之百嘅伊朗人
12:46
with a totally完全 different不同 set設置 of gods
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對於神佢哋自有一套完全不同嘅說法
12:48
who are not mentioned提到 in any of these texts文本.
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而喺呢兩份經文中,根本就無提過他們嘅神
12:50
(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
12:52
That's 1879.
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呢喺系1879年發生嘅事
12:54
40 years on
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40年過去
12:56
and we're in 1917,
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我們來到1917年
12:59
and the cylinder enters進入 a different不同 world世界.
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而呢個圓柱體又進入另一個世界
13:01
This time, the real真正 politics政治
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宜家已經可以算喺
13:03
of the contemporary當代 world世界 --
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現代世界嘅真實政治時代
13:05
the year of the BalfourBalfour Declaration聲明,
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呢一年,發表貝爾福宣言
13:08
the year when the new新增功能 imperial帝國 power權力 in the Middle中間 East, Britain英國,
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呢一年,中東同英國嘅新興帝國勢力崛起
13:11
decides決定 that it will declare宣布
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決議建立一個
13:13
a Jewish猶太 national國家 home,
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猶太人嘅國家
13:15
it will allow允許
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允許猶太人
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the Jews猶太人 to return返回.
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回歸家園
13:19
And the response響應 to this
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東歐的嘅猶太人對呢件事
13:21
by the Jewish猶太 population人口 in Eastern東部 Europe歐洲 is rhapsodic狂熱.
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反應十分熱烈,幾乎到咗瘋狂嘅地步
13:24
And across Eastern東部 Europe歐洲,
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橫跨整個東歐
13:26
Jews猶太人 display顯示 pictures圖片 of Cyrus赛勒斯
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猶太人並列展示咗
13:28
and of George喬治 V
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居魯士
13:30
side一邊 by side一邊 --
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與喬治五世嘅畫像
13:32
the two great rulers統治者
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因為呢兩位偉大君王都允許
13:34
who have allowed允許 the return返回 to Jerusalem耶路撒冷.
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猶太人回歸耶路撒冷
13:37
And the Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder comes back into public公眾 view视图
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呢時居魯士圓柱又吸引咗大眾嘅目光
13:40
and the text文本 of this
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上面嘅文字紀錄,被視為神嘅旨意中一部份
13:42
as a demonstration示範 of why what is going to happen發生
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說明咗戰後所發生嘅事
13:45
after the war戰爭 is over in 1918
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點解系1918年先宣告結束
13:48
is part部分 of a divine神聖 plan計劃.
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而接落嚟又會發生咩事
13:51
You all know what happened發生.
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我想大家都知道,接落嚟發生D咩事
13:53
The state狀態 of Israel以色列 is setup設置,
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以色列建國
13:56
and 50 years later之後, in the late 60s,
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而50年後,時間到咗1960年代晚期
13:59
it's clear清楚 that Britain's英國嘅 role作用 as the imperial帝國 power權力 is over.
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英國顯然失去咗,佢喺新興帝國勢力之中嘅地位
14:02
And another另一個 story故事 of the cylinder begins初時.
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關於呢個圓柱體嘅另一段故事,就此展開
14:05
The region一區, the U.K. and the U.S. decide決定,
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英國同美國決議
14:07
has to be kept保持 safe安全 from communism共產主義,
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唔令民族國家受到共產主義嘅荼毒
14:10
and the superpower超級大囯 that will be created創建 to do this
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而能夠保護民族國家,即將誕生嘅伊朗
14:13
would be Iran伊朗, the Shah國王.
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由沙阿領導嘅超級強國-伊朗
14:15
And so the Shah國王 invents發明 an Iranian伊朗 history歷史,
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因此沙阿間接創造咗伊朗歷史
14:18
or a return返回 to Iranian伊朗 history歷史,
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或者系他回歸歷史嘅本質
14:20
that puts him in the center中心 of a great tradition傳統
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他讓自己成為伊朗偉大傳統嘅核心
14:23
and produces生產 coins銀仔
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下令發行
14:25
showing顯示 himself自己
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刻有自己肖像
14:27
with the Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder.
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以及居魯士圓柱嘅硬幣
14:29
When he has his great celebrations慶祝活動 in Persepolis波斯波利斯,
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他喺波斯波利斯舉行慶典時
14:32
he summons告票 the cylinder
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他希望居魯士圓柱能回歸伊朗
14:34
and the cylinder is lent借俾 by the British英國 Museum博物館, goes to Tehran德黑蘭,
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於是大英博物館借出圓柱
14:37
and is part部分 of those great celebrations慶祝活動
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運往德黑蘭成立巴列為王朝
14:39
of the Pahlavi巴列维 dynasty.
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偉大慶典中嘅一部分
14:42
Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder: guarantor擔保人 of the Shah國王.
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居魯士圓柱就系沙阿權力嘅保證
14:45
10 years later之後, another另一個 story故事:
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10年過後發生咗另一段故事
14:48
Iranian伊朗 Revolution革命, 1979.
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1979年嘅伊朗革命
14:50
Islamic伊斯蘭 revolution革命, no more Cyrus赛勒斯;
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唔再講居魯士圓柱,伊斯蘭革命先系主角
14:52
we're not interested興趣 in that history歷史,
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我們對果段歷史唔感興趣
14:54
we're interested興趣 in Islamic伊斯蘭 Iran伊朗 --
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我們有興趣嘅系伊斯蘭文化下嘅伊朗
14:57
until直到 Iraq伊拉克,
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直到伊拉克
14:59
the new新增功能 superpower超級大囯 that we've我哋都 all decided決定 should be in the region一區,
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呢個我們都認為,應該出現系這個地區嘅新興強權國家
15:02
attacks攻擊.
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對伊朗發動攻擊
15:04
Then another另一個 Iran-Iraq伊朗-伊拉克 war戰爭.
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呢又系另一場兩伊戰爭
15:06
And it becomes成為 critical關鍵 for the Iranians伊朗
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伊朗與伊拉克打仗果陣
15:08
to remember記得 their佢哋 great past過去,
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獲勝嘅關鍵就系
15:11
their佢哋 great past過去
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伊朗人永遠記得他們嘅過去
15:13
when they fought戰鬥 Iraq伊拉克 and won贏得.
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果段輝煌嘅過去
15:16
It becomes成為 critical關鍵 to find a symbol象徵
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一定得揾到一個團結嘅象徵
15:18
that will pull together一起 all Iranians伊朗 --
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先可以令所有伊朗人團結一致
15:21
Muslims穆斯林 and non-Muslims非穆斯林,
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不管系唔系伊斯蘭教徒
15:23
Christians基督徒, Zoroastrians拜火教, Jews猶太人 living生活 in Iran伊朗,
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不管系基督教徒,祆教徒,或者猶太人唔論虔誠與否
15:26
people who are devout虔誠, not devout虔誠.
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只要是住在伊朗嘅人,都是伊朗人,都必須團結起來
15:28
And the obvious明顯 emblem會徽 is Cyrus赛勒斯.
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顯然,居魯士圓柱就系團結嘅象徵
15:31
So when the British英國 Museum博物館 and Tehran德黑蘭 National國家 Musuem博物館
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所以當大英博物館與德黑來國家博物館合作時
15:34
cooperate合作 and work together一起, as we've我哋都 been doing,
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就系我哋一直以來都系度做嘅一樣
15:36
the Iranians伊朗 ask問吓 for one thing only
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伊朗人
15:38
as a loan貸款.
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只同我哋借一樣嘢
15:40
It's the only object對象 they want.
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他們只想要呢樣嘢
15:42
They want to borrow the Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder.
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佢哋想要借嘅就系居魯士圓柱
15:44
And last year,
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舊年
15:46
the Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder went to Tehran德黑蘭
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居魯士圓柱
15:50
for the second第二 time.
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第二次被運往德黑蘭
15:53
It's shown顯示 being presented提出 here, put into its case情況下
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正如你哋能見到嘅
15:56
by the director導演 of the National國家 Museum博物館 of Tehran德黑蘭,
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它是由德黑蘭國家博物館的館長親手放進盒子裡的
15:59
one of the many好多 women婦女 in Iran伊朗 in very senior高級 positions位置,
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喺艾達卡妮女士
16:02
Mrs. ArdakaniArdakani.
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喺伊朗婦女中地位相當崇高
16:04
It was a huge巨大 event事件.
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這可系一件大事
16:06
This is the other side一邊 of that same相同 picture圖片.
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呢系另一張相片,但拍攝角度相反
16:09
It's seen看到 in Tehran德黑蘭
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幾個月之後
16:12
by between之間 one and two million people
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已經有一兩百萬人來過呢度
16:14
in the space空間 of a few幾個 months.
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來一睹居魯士圓柱嘅風采
16:16
This is beyond超越 any blockbuster大片 exhibition展覽
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甘樣嘅盛況空前
16:18
in the West西.
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超越西方所舉辦嘅任何一場展覽
16:20
And it's the subject主題 of a huge巨大 debate辯論
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它都系一場辯論嘅主角
16:23
about what this cylinder means意味着, what Cyrus赛勒斯 means意味着,
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辯論嘅主題喺居魯士圓柱真正的嘅內涵何解,居魯士真正想表達嘅系乜
16:26
but above以上 all, Cyrus赛勒斯 as articulated鉸接式 through透過 this cylinder --
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但最重要嘅系就像圓柱所描述嘅居魯士
16:29
Cyrus赛勒斯 as the defender後衛 of the homeland家園,
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居魯士系守衛家園嘅勇士
16:32
the champion冠軍, of course課程, of Iranian伊朗 identity身份
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他為伊朗嘅認同,為伊朗各民族
16:34
and of the Iranian伊朗 peoples人民,
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為包容所有信仰而戰
16:36
tolerant寬容 of all faiths信仰.
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他系贏家
16:38
And in the current當前 Iran伊朗,
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系現代伊朗議會中
16:40
Zoroastrians拜火教 and Christians基督徒 have guaranteed places地方
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祆教徒同基督教徒都有保留席位
16:43
in the Iranian伊朗 parliament議會, something to be very, very proud驕傲 of.
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呢系很值得驕傲嘅一件事
16:46
To see this object對象 in Tehran德黑蘭,
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數以千計嘅猶太人
16:49
thousands數以千計 of Jews猶太人 living生活 in Iran伊朗
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從伊朗趕到德黑蘭
16:51
came to Tehran德黑蘭 to see it.
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就為咗看看居魯士圓柱嘅廬山真面目
16:53
It became成為 a great emblem會徽,
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它系一個偉大嘅象徵
16:55
a great subject主題 of debate辯論
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都系辯論會嘅主角
16:57
about what Iran伊朗 is at home and abroad國外.
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伊朗對內與對外嘅真正意義為何
17:00
Is Iran伊朗 still to be the defender後衛 of the oppressed壓迫?
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伊朗會不會,再次為果D被欺壓嘅人民,挺身而出
17:03
Will Iran伊朗 set設置 free自由 the people
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伊朗會不會等果D
17:05
that the tyrants暴君 have enslaved奴役 and expropriated徵用?
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被暴君奴役,被暴君剝削嘅人們,重獲自由
17:08
This is heady令人興奮 national國家 rhetoric修辭,
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呢系一場振奮人心嘅全國性議題
17:11
and it was all put together一起
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喺歡慶回歸嘅盛會之中
17:13
in a great pageant選美
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所有嘅議題
17:15
launching發射 the return返回.
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都被放在一齊討論
17:17
Here you see this out-sized大小 Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder on the stage階段
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呢系放大版嘅居魯士圓柱
17:20
with great figures數字 from Iranian伊朗 history歷史
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為咗要系伊朗嘅後繼歷史中
17:23
gathering收集 to take their佢哋 place地方
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保有一席之地
17:25
in the heritage遺產 of Iran伊朗.
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它同伊朗歷史中嘅偉人一齊登臺
17:28
It was a narrative敍事 presented提出
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呢系伊朗總統
17:30
by the president總統 himself自己.
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親自發表嘅演講
17:33
And for me,
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對我而言
17:35
to take this object對象 to Iran伊朗,
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能夠將居魯士圓柱
17:37
to be allowed允許 to take this object對象 to Iran伊朗
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帶返伊朗
17:39
was to be allowed允許 to be part部分
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就代表能成為
17:41
of an extraordinary非凡 debate辯論
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一場偉大辯論嘅一部分
17:43
led at the highest最高 levels水平
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以學術嘅最高度
17:45
about what Iran伊朗 is,
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探討伊朗嘅定位
17:47
what different不同 Irans伊朗 there are
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不同嘅伊朗有何意義
17:50
and how the different不同 histories歷史 of Iran伊朗
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不同嘅伊朗歷史
17:52
might可能 shape形狀 the world世界 today今日.
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又點樣能塑造今日嘅世界
17:55
It's a debate辯論 that's still continuing繼續,
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呢場辯論仲沒結束
17:58
and it will continue繼續 to rumble隆隆,
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它唔會默默無言
18:00
because this object對象
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因為居魯士圓柱
18:02
is one of the great declarations聲明
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是人類渴望自由嘅
18:04
of a human人類 aspiration願望.
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偉大聲明之一
18:06
It stands with the American美國 constitution憲法.
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佢同美國憲法具有同等效力
18:10
It certainly梗係 says far more about real真正 freedoms自由
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佢肯定比大憲章
18:13
than Magna麦格纳 Carta憲章.
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更能陳述何謂真正嘅自由
18:15
It is a document快勞 that can mean so many好多 things,
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呢份文獻能夠有很多層嘅意義
18:18
for Iran伊朗 and for the region一區.
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對伊朗,對這整個中東地區,都有不同嘅意義
18:21
A replica副本 of this
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居魯士圓柱嘅複製品
18:23
is at the United聯合 Nations國家.
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被存放系聯合國
18:25
In New新增功能 York約克 this autumn秋天, it will be present目前
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今年秋天系紐約
18:28
when the great debates辯論
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系討論中東未來嘅辯論會上
18:30
about the future未來 of the Middle中間 East take place地方.
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你們能看見它嘅身影
18:33
And I want to finish完成 by asking問吓 you
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我希望以一個問題
18:35
what the next story故事 will be
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為我今日嘅演講畫下句點
18:37
in which this object對象 figures數字.
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居魯士圓柱接落嚟會產生乜新故事呢
18:39
It will appear出現, certainly梗係,
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可以肯定喺
18:41
in many好多 more Middle中間 Eastern東部 stories故事.
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居魯士圓柱會成為更多中東故事嘅一部分
18:43
And what story故事 of the Middle中間 East,
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而你們希望
18:45
what story故事 of the world世界,
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中東會有點樣嘅故事
18:47
do you want to see
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世界上會有點樣嘅故事
18:49
reflecting反映 what is said,
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能夠體現居魯士圓柱所說嘅
18:51
what is expressed表示 in this cylinder?
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所想要表達嘅意涵
18:53
The right of peoples人民
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不同種族,不同信仰嘅人民
18:55
to live together一起 in the same相同 state狀態,
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能夠喺同一個國家自由生活嘅權利
18:57
worshiping崇拜 differently不同, freely自由 --
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無論系中東
18:59
a Middle中間 East, a world世界,
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或者系世界嘅任何一角落
19:01
in which religion宗教 is not the subject主題 of division劃分
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宗教信仰不會再系引發分裂
19:03
or of debate辯論.
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或引發爭論嘅原因了
19:06
In the world世界 of the Middle中間 East at the moment時刻,
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系宜家嘅中東世界
19:09
the debates辯論 are, as you know, shrill刺耳.
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呢場爭論,依然激烈
19:12
But I think it's possible可能
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但我相信
19:14
that the most powerful強大 and the wisest明智 voice聲音 of all of them
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在佢哋之中,最明智,最強大嘅聲音
19:18
may可能 well be the voice聲音
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可能會代替呢把聲
19:20
of this mute靜音 thing,
476
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無言嘅居魯士圓柱
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the Cyrus赛勒斯 cylinder.
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嘅發聲
19:24
Thank you.
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謝謝
19:26
(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
Translated by Raymond Ou
Reviewed by Nova Upinel Altesse

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Neil MacGregor - Director of The British Museum
The writer and presenter of the BBC Radio 4 series "A History of the World in 100 Objects" and the accompanying book.

Why you should listen

Established by Act of Parliament in 1753 as a museum for the world (and free to enter, down to this day), the British Museum has built a near-encyclopedic collection of art and artifacts representing the sweep of human history across 2 million years. In his 2010 radio series A History of the World in 100 Objects (accompanied by a splendid book with the same title), director Neil MacGregor showed how the artifacts and items we collect are a powerful tool for sharing our shared human narrative.

MacGregor has long been fascinated with the way museums can tell the world's story. At the British Museum, he's negotiated his way to mounting shows full of Chinese and Persian treasures, helping sometimes-prickly governments to share his mission of cultural togetherness. He was named Briton of the Year in 2008 by the Sunday Times, who said, "He is a committed idealist who, in a world in which culture is increasingly presented as the acceptable face of politics, has pioneered a broader, more open, more peaceable way forward."

He says: "That’s what the museum is about: giving people their place in things.”

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Neil MacGregor | Speaker | TED.com

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