Deb Willis and Hank Willis Thomas: A mother and son united by love and art
Дебора Уиллис, Хэнк Уиллис Томас: Мать и сын, объединённые любовью и искусством
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I See Myself In You,"
the symbiotic relationship
through our life and work.
годы нашей жизни и работы.
in my mother's footsteps
тем сложнее это сделать.
it's a way of doing,
and it's a way of seeing.
when they make photographs.
and finding love.
in my family and friends
as a way of telling a story about life,
как способ рассказать историю жизни,
to become a family in North Philadelphia.
в Северной Филадельфии.
searching for pictures
своей жизни в поисках сюжетов,
about black love, black joy
«чёрная любовь» и «чёрная радость»,
the action of love overrules as a verb.
что превосходство любви — это действие.
if the love of looking is genetic,
передаётся ли любовь к ви́дению с генами,
since before I can even remember.
ещё до того, как себя помню.
after my mother and her mother --
моей мамы и её мамы
were my first love.
for calling me a "ham"
называя меня «любителем»
to my grandmother's house,
что я стану спрашивать:
and who are they to me,
when that picture was taken?
before I was born?"
in black and white.
в Северной Филадельфии,
in North Philadelphia,
рассматривая журналы «Эбони».
looking at "Ebony Magazine,"
истории, которых не было в новостях,
that were often not in the daily news,
to be energetic for me,
с особенной для меня энергетикой,
in the Philadelphia Public Library
Филадельфии я наткнулась на книгу
by Roy DeCarava and Langston Hughes.
Роя ДеКарава и Лэнгстона Хьюза.
as a seven-year-old,
as a seven-year-old,
that Roy DeCarava made
сделанные Роем ДеКарва
that I could tell a story about life.
по ним историю жизни.
that basically changed my life.
told me that every photographer,
сказал мне, что каждый фотограф,
trying to answer one question,
фактически отвечает на один вопрос.
see how beautiful we are,
не видят, как мы красивы,
see our community the way I do?"
увидеть нас такими, какими вижу я?»
that I was taking up a good man's space.
что я занимаю место достойного мужчины.
of becoming a photographer.
желание стать фотографом.
in a class full of male photographers.
полном мужчин фотографов,
and out of order as a woman,
и что я как женщина нарушаю порядок,
that all you could and would do
could have had your seat in this class.
место достойного мужчины в классе.
into that experience.
and I was determined to prove to him
и я решила доказать ему,
for a seat in that class.
«Зачем мне было доказывать ему это?»
"Why did I need to prove it to him?"
что должна была доказать самой себе,
and I knew I needed to prove to myself
a difference in photography.
не запретит мне делать снимки.
is going to stop me from making images.
учёбы я забеременела.
I got pregnant.
that he used against me
сексистские слова профессора,
and made photographs daily,
и стала фотографировать ежедневно,
живот, пока готовилась к аспирантуре.
as I prepared for graduate school.
фотографы отсутствовали
that black photographers were missing
for ways to tell a story.
"A Choice of Weapons,"
Гордона Паркса «Выбор Оружия».
that I made of my pregnant belly,
to create a new piece,
на создание нового проекта
занимающая место достойного мужчины»,
taking a place from a good man,"
and reversed it and said,
для достойного мужчины — для тебя».
маминой фотолабораторией.
would turn the kitchen into a darkroom.
just pictures that she took
и работы фотографов, которых мы не знали,
of and by people that we didn't know,
знакомых нам мужчин и женщин,
of men and women that we knew,
from what I learned in school,
to figure out what she was up to,
чтобы выяснить, для чего это,
когда она опубликовала книгу
she published this book,
Био-библиография».
A Bio-Bibliography."
were making photographs.
занимались фотографией.
before the end of slavery,
of science and technology,
последних событий науки и техники,
just to make a single photograph.
для того, чтобы сделать одну фотографию.
to do that if not love?
на это, если не любовь?
"Black Photographers, 1940-1988,"
«Чёрные фотографы, 1940–1988»,
и ещё одной, и ещё,
and another book, and another book,
and another book, and another book,
and another book, and another book,
и ещё одна книга, и ещё следующая,
and another book, and another.
и ещё одна книга, и ещё.
и опубликовала десятки книг
on every continent,
выставки на разных континентах
but all inspired by the curiosity
но обо всём, что было интересно
from North Philadelphia.
из Северной Филадельфии.
black photographers had stories to tell,
фотографам было что рассказать,
like Augustus Washington,
таких как Агустус Вашингтон,
in the early 1840s and '50s.
black photographers,
about black life during slavery,
жизнь чёрных во время рабства,
and telling stories about community.
о жизни, красоте, сообществе.
needed to know this story.
должны были знать эти истории.
my mother's first student.
puppet strings --
повинуясь нитям марионетки,
should make my own pictures
and the now and then.
и о настоящем и прошлом.
how I could use photography
outside of the frame of the camera
как происходящее вне объектива
of the actual image maker
what's being cut out.
что было вырезано из кадра.
as a jumping-off point
её опыт как начальную ступень
about how I could use historical images
используя исторические кадры,
происходит в настоящем,
for human rights and equal rights
за права человека и равноправие,
one piece has affected me the most.
повлияла на меня особенно.
by Ernest Withers,
фотографии Эрнеста Уизерса,
to affirm their humanity.
чтобы подтвердить свою человечность.
that said "I am a man,"
с надписями: «Я человек»,
because the phrase I grew up with
it was "I am the man,"
collective statement during segregation
от коллективной фразы времён сегрегации
after integration.
фразы после интеграции.
in as many ways as I could think of,
в наибольшем количестве вариантов,
as a timeline of American history,
это хронология американской истории,
Ты Человек. Какой человек.
You the man. What a man.
в английском языке — это «я есть».
in the English language is, "I am."
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Deborah Willis - Curator, photographerDeborah Willis is a photographer and writer in search of beauty.
Why you should listen
As an author and curator, Deborah Willis's pioneering research has focused on cultural histories envisioning the black body, women and gender. She is a celebrated photographer, acclaimed historian of photography, MacArthur and Guggenheim Fellow, and University Professor and Chair of the Department of Photography & Imaging at the Tisch School of the Arts at New York University.
Willis received the NAACP Image Award in 2014 for her co-authored book Envisioning Emancipation: Black Americans and the End of Slavery (with Barbara Krauthamer) and in 2015 for the documentary Through a Lens Darkly, inspired by her book Reflections in Black: A History of Black Photographers 1840 to the Present.
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Hank Willis Thomas - Artist
Hank Willis Thomas is a conceptual artist working primarily with themes related to identity, history and popular culture.
Why you should listen
Hank Willis Thomas's work has been exhibited throughout the U.S. and abroad including, the International Center of Photography, Guggenheim Museum Bilbao, Musée du quai Branly, and the Cleveland Museum of Art. His work is in numerous public collections including the Museum of Modern Art New York, the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, the Whitney Museum of American Art, the Brooklyn Museum, the High Museum of Art and the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC, among others.
Thomas's collaborative projects include Question Bridge: Black Males, In Search Of The Truth (The Truth Booth), and For Freedoms. For Freedoms was recently awarded the 2017 ICP Infinity Award for New Media and Online Platform. Thomas is also the recipient of the 2017 Soros Equality Fellowship and the 2017 AIMIA | AGO Photography Prize. Current exhibitions include Prospect 4: The Lotus in Spite of the Swamp in New Orleans and All Things Being Equal at Zeitz Museum of Contemporary Art Africa. In 2017, Thomas also unveiled his permanent public artwork "Love Over Rules" in San Francisco and "All Power to All People" in Opa Locka, Florida. Thomas is a member of the Public Design Commission for the City of New York. He received a BFA in Photography and Africana studies from New York University and an MFA/MA in Photography and Visual Criticism from the California College of Arts. He has also received honorary doctorates from the Maryland Institute of Art and the Institute for Doctoral Studies in the Visual Arts. He lives and works in New York City.
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