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Wes Moore: How to talk to veterans about war
Ves Mur (Wes Moore): Kako pričati sa veteranima o ratu
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Ves Mur se priključio američkoj vojsci kako bi platio studije, ali je iskustvo postalo srž onoga što je on postao. U ovom iskrenom govoru, vojni padobranac i kapetan, koji je napisao knjigu "Drugi Ves Mur", objašnjava šok kod povratka kući iz Avganistana. On deli jednu frazu koju je svakodnevno slušao od civila i pokazuje zašto to nije dovoljno. To je poziv za sve nas da pozovemo veterane da ispričaju svoju priču, i da ih saslušamo.
Wes Moore - Author, advocate
Wes Moore's life transformed with these words out of his mother's mouth: "I'm sending you to military school." The author of the book, "The Other Wes Moore," he is now a vocal advocate for America's youth as well as for fellow veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Full bio
Wes Moore's life transformed with these words out of his mother's mouth: "I'm sending you to military school." The author of the book, "The Other Wes Moore," he is now a vocal advocate for America's youth as well as for fellow veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Full bio
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I'm excited to be here to speak about vets,
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Drago mi je što sam ovde
da pričam o veteranima,
da pričam o veteranima,
00:15
because I didn't join the Army
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jer se nisam priključio vojsci
00:16
because I wanted to go to war.
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zbog toga što sam želeo da idem u rat.
00:18
I didn't join the Army because I had a lust
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Nisam se priključio vojsci
jer sam imao želju
jer sam imao želju
00:21
or a need to go overseas and fight.
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i potrebu da odem
preko okeana i borim se.
preko okeana i borim se.
00:25
Frankly, I joined the Army because
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Iskreno, priključio sam se vojsci
00:27
college is really damn expensive,
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jer je koledž prokleto skup
00:29
and they were going to help with that,
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i trebalo je da mi pomognu sa time,
00:30
and I joined the Army because
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te sam se priključio vojsci
00:33
it was what I knew,
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jer sam to znao i to je ono
00:35
and it was what I knew that I thought I could do well.
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što sam znao i što sam mislio
da mogu dobro da radim.
da mogu dobro da radim.
00:38
I didn't come from a military family.
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Ne potičem iz vojne porodice.
00:40
I'm not a military brat.
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Nisam vojni potomak.
00:41
No one in my family ever
had joined the military at all,
had joined the military at all,
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Niko u mojoj porodici se nikad
nije priključio vojsci
nije priključio vojsci
00:44
and how I first got introduced to the military
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i prvi put kad sam se upoznao sa vojskom
00:47
was when I was 13 years old
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bilo je kada sam imao 13 godina
00:49
and I got sent away to military school,
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i kada sam poslat u vojnu školu,
00:51
because my mother had been threatening me
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jer mi je majka pretila
00:53
with this idea of military school
ever since I was eight years old.
ever since I was eight years old.
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tom idejom vojne škole od moje 8. godine.
00:56
I had some issues when I was coming up,
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Imao sam problema tokom odrastanja
00:59
and my mother would always tell me, she's like,
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i majka bi mi uvek govorila stvari poput:
01:01
"You know, if you don't get this together,
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"Ako ne središ ovo,
01:03
I'm going to send you to military school."
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poslaću te u vojnu školu."
01:04
And I'd look at her, and I'd say, "Mommy,
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Pogledao bih je i rekao: "Mama,
01:05
I'll work harder."
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potrudiću se više."
01:07
And then when I was nine years old,
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Kada sam imao 9 godina,
počela je da mi daje brošure da mi
pokaže da se ne šali.
pokaže da se ne šali.
01:09
she started giving me brochures
to show me she wasn't playing around,
to show me she wasn't playing around,
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01:11
so I'd look at the brochures, and I'm like,
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Pogledao bih ih i rekao:
01:12
"Okay, Mommy, I can see you're
serious, and I'll work harder."
serious, and I'll work harder."
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"U redu mama, vidim da si ozbiljna
i potrudiću se više."
i potrudiću se više."
01:15
And then when I was 10 and 11,
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Zatim kada sam imao 10 i 11 godina,
01:17
my behavior just kept on getting worse.
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moje ponašanje se pogoršavalo.
01:20
I was on academic and disciplinary probation
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Bio sam na akademskom
i disciplinskom ispitivanju
i disciplinskom ispitivanju
01:22
before I hit double digits,
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pre nego što sam napunio 10 godina
01:26
and I first felt handcuffs on my wrists
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i prvi put sam osetio
lisice na svojim zglobovima
lisice na svojim zglobovima
01:29
when I was 11 years old.
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kada sam imao 11 godina.
01:31
And so when I was 13 years old,
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Kada sam imao 13 godina
01:33
my mother came up to me, and she was like,
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majka mi je prišla i rekla:
01:35
"I'm not going to do this anymore.
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"Neću više ovo da trpim.
01:36
I'm going to send you to military school."
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Poslaću te u vojnu školu."
01:38
And I looked at her, and I said, "Mommy,
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Pogledao sam je i rekao: "Mama,
01:40
I can see you're upset, and
I'm going to work harder."
I'm going to work harder."
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vidim da si uzrujana i potrudiću se više."
01:43
And she was like, "No, you're going next week."
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Rekla je: "Ne, ideš tamo sledeće nedelje."
01:45
And that was how I first got introduced
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I tako sam se prvi put upoznao
01:47
to this whole idea of the military,
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sa čitavom tom idejom o vojsci,
01:50
because she thought this was a good idea.
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jer je mislila da je to dobra ideja.
01:53
I had to disagree with her wholeheartedly
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Nisam se uopšte složio sa njom
01:55
when I first showed up there,
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kada sam prvi put došao tamo
01:56
because literally in the first four days,
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jer sam bukvalno u prva 4 dana
pobegao čak 5 puta iz te škole.
01:58
I had already run away five times from this school.
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02:00
They had these big black gates
that surrounded the school,
that surrounded the school,
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Velika crna ograda je ograđivala školu
02:02
and every time they would turn their backs,
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i svaki put kada bi okrenuli leđa,
02:04
I would just simply run out of the black gates
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ja bih samo pobegao kroz crnu kapiju
i prihvatio ponudu da
ako ne želimo da budemo tamo
ako ne želimo da budemo tamo
02:06
and take them up on their offer
that if we don't want to be there,
that if we don't want to be there,
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02:08
we can leave at any time.
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možemo da odemo bilo kada.
02:10
So I just said, "Well, if that's the case,
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Rekao sam: "Ako je tako,
02:11
then I'd like to leave." (Laughter)
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želeo bih da odem." (Smeh)
02:15
And it never worked.
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I nikad nije funkcionisalo.
02:17
And I kept on getting lost.
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Nastavio sam da se gubim.
02:19
But then eventually,
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Ali onda
02:20
after staying there for a little while,
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nakon ostajanja tamo neko vreme
02:23
and after the end of that first year
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i nakon kraja te godine
02:24
at this military school,
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u toj vojnoj školi,
02:26
I realized that I actually was growing up.
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shvatio sam da zapravo odrastam.
02:31
I realized the things that I enjoyed about this school
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Shvatio sam da su stvari
u kojima sam uživao
u kojima sam uživao
u vezi sa tom školom
i u vezi sa tom strukturom
i u vezi sa tom strukturom
02:34
and the thing that I enjoyed about the structure
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02:36
was something that I'd never found before:
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bile nešto što nisam otkrio ranije:
02:39
the fact that I finally felt like I
was part of something bigger,
was part of something bigger,
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činjenica da sam se konačno osetio
kao deo nečega većeg,
kao deo nečega većeg,
02:42
part of a team, and it actually mattered to people
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deo tima i zapravo je značilo ljudima
02:44
that I was there,
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što sam tamo,
02:46
the fact that leadership wasn't just a punchline there,
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činjenica da liderstvo nije bilo
samo naređenje,
samo naređenje,
02:49
but that it was a real, actually core part
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već je bilo pravi jezgroviti deo
02:53
of the entire experience.
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čitavog iskustva.
02:55
And so when it was time for me to actually
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Kada je došlo vreme da je zapravo trebalo
02:57
finish up high school,
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da završim srednju školu
02:59
I started thinking about what I wanted to do,
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počeo sam da razmišljam
o tome šta želim da radim
o tome šta želim da radim
03:02
and just like probably most students,
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i verovatno kao i većina učenika,
03:03
had no idea what that meant or what I wanted to do.
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nisam imao pojma šta to znači
i šta želim da radim.
i šta želim da radim.
03:07
And I thought about the people who I
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Mislio sam o ljudima koje
03:09
respected and admired.
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poštujem i kojima se divim.
03:11
I thought about a lot of the people,
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Mislio sam o mnogim ljudima,
03:12
in particular a lot of the men, in my life
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posebno o muškarcima u svom životu
03:15
who I looked up to.
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na koje sam se ugledao.
03:17
They all happened to wear the uniform
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Svi oni su nosili uniformu
03:19
of the United States of America,
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Sjedinjenih američkih država,
03:21
so for me, the question and the answer
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za mene je, pitanje i odgovor
03:23
really became pretty easy.
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bio prilično jednostavan.
Pitanje o tome čime želim da se bavim
03:25
The question of what I wanted to do
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03:27
was filled in very quickly with saying,
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bilo je ispunjeno veoma brzo rečima:
03:29
I guess I'll be an Army officer.
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verovatno ću biti vojni oficir.
03:32
So the Army then went through this process
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Stoga je vojska prošla kroz ovaj proces
03:34
and they trained me up,
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i istrenirali su me,
a kad kažem da se nisam
priključio vojsci
priključio vojsci
03:35
and when I say I didn't join the Army
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03:36
because I wanted to go to war,
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jer sam želeo da idem u rat,
03:38
the truth is, I joined in 1996.
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istina je da sam se
priključio vojsci 1996.
priključio vojsci 1996.
03:40
There really wasn't a whole lot going on.
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Ništa veliko se tada nije dešavalo.
03:43
I didn't ever feel like I was in danger.
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Nikad nisam osećao da sam u opasnosti.
Kad sam otišao kod majke,
03:45
When I went to my mom,
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03:46
I first joined the Army when I was 17 years old,
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prvi put sam se priključio
vojsci sa 17,
vojsci sa 17,
03:48
so I literally needed parental permission
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tako da mi je trebalo odobrenje
da se priključim vojsci,
da se priključim vojsci,
03:49
to join the Army,
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03:50
so I kind of gave the paperwork to my mom,
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te sam dao papirologiju majci
03:52
and she just assumed it was
kind of like military school.
kind of like military school.
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i pretpostavila je da je
to poput vojne škole.
to poput vojne škole.
03:54
She was like, "Well, it was good for him before,
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Rekla je: "Bilo je dobro
03:55
so I guess I'll just let him keep doing it,"
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po njega i pre i pretpostavljam
da će nastaviti tako."
da će nastaviti tako."
03:58
having no idea that the
paperwork that she was signing
paperwork that she was signing
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nemajući ideju da je zapravo potpisivala
04:00
was actually signing her son up
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saglasnost da njen sin
04:02
to become an Army officer.
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postane vojni oficir.
04:06
And I went through the process,
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Prošao sam kroz proces
04:07
and again the whole time still just thinking,
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i ponovo sve vreme sam mislio:
04:09
this is great, maybe I'll serve on a weekend,
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to je sjajno, možda ću služiti za vikend,
04:13
or two weeks during the year, do drill,
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ili dve nedelje tokom godine,
odraditi vežbu,
odraditi vežbu,
04:18
and then a couple years after I signed up,
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a onda par godina
nakon što sam se prijavio,
nakon što sam se prijavio,
04:21
a couple years after my mother signed those papers,
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nakon što je moja majka
potpisala te papire,
potpisala te papire,
04:23
the whole world changed.
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čitav svet se promenio.
04:27
And after 9/11, there was an entirely new context
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Nakon 11. septembra,
izgradio se čitav novi kontekst
izgradio se čitav novi kontekst
04:30
about the occupation that I chose.
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oko zanimanja koje sam izabrao.
04:34
When I first joined, I never joined to fight,
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Kada sam se prvi put priključio,
nisam to učinio zbog borbe,
nisam to učinio zbog borbe,
04:39
but now that I was in,
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ali tad kada sam bio tu,
04:41
this is exactly what was now going to happen.
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to je upravo ono što će se dogoditi.
04:44
And I thought about so much about the soldiers
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Puno sam razmišljao o vojnicima
04:48
who I eventually had to end up leading.
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koje sam na kraju morao da vodim.
04:50
I remember when we first, right after 9/11,
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Setio sam se kada smo
prvi put nakon 11. septembra
prvi put nakon 11. septembra
04:52
three weeks after 9/11, I was
on a plane heading overseas,
on a plane heading overseas,
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3 nedelje nakon 11. septembra,
išao sam preko okeana,
išao sam preko okeana,
04:55
but I wasn't heading overseas with the military,
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ali nisam išao sa vojskom,
04:57
I was heading overseas because I got a scholarship
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već zato što sam dobio školarinu
04:59
to go overseas.
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da idem u inostranstvo.
Dobio sam školarinu
da idem u insotranstvo
da idem u insotranstvo
05:00
I received the scholarship to go overseas
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05:02
and to go study and live overseas,
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i da idem da studiram preko okeana,
a živeo sam u Engleskoj
i bilo je interesantno,
i bilo je interesantno,
05:04
and I was living in England and that was interesting,
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05:06
but at the same time, the same people who
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ali u isto vreme,
05:08
I was training with,
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ti isti ljudi sa kojima sam vežbao,
05:10
the same soldiers that I went
through all my training with,
through all my training with,
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isti vojnici sa kojima sam prošao
čitav trening,
čitav trening,
05:13
and we prepared for war,
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i spremali smo se za rat,
05:15
they were now actually heading over to it.
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i oni su sada leteli ka tome.
05:19
They were now about to find themselves
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Sada će se naći
05:20
in the middle of places the fact is
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u sred mesta, koje
05:23
the vast majority of people,
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većina ljudi,
05:24
the vast majority of us as we were training,
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većina nas koji smo trenirali,
05:26
couldn't even point out on a map.
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ne bi mogla da pokaže na mapi.
Proveo sam nekoliko godina
završavajući školu
završavajući školu
05:30
I spent a couple years finishing graduate school,
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05:32
and the whole entire time while I'm sitting there
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i sve vreme dok sam sedeo tamo
05:34
in buildings at Oxford
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u zgradama Oksforda
05:36
that were literally built hundreds of years
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koje su izgrađene stotine godina
05:38
before the United States was even founded,
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pre nego što su SAD uopšte osnovane,
05:40
and I'm sitting there talking to dons
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i sedeo sam razgovarajući sa profesorima
05:43
about the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand,
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o atentatu na prestolonaslednika
Franca Ferdinanda,
Franca Ferdinanda,
05:47
and how that influenced the start of World War I,
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i kako je to uticalo na početak
Prvog svetskog rata,
Prvog svetskog rata,
05:52
where the entire time my heart and my head
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gde su sve vreme moje srce i um
05:54
were on my soldiers
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bili uz moje vojnike
05:57
who were now throwing on Kevlars
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koji su sada oblačili kevlar
i uzimali svoje vojničke prsluke
05:59
and grabbing their flak vests
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06:00
and figuring out how exactly do I change around
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pokušavajući da shvate
kako tačno repetirati
kako tačno repetirati
06:03
or how exactly do I clean a machine gun
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ili kako tačno očistiti pušku
06:05
in the darkness.
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u mraku.
06:08
That was the new reality.
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To je bila nova stvarnost.
06:11
By the time I finished that up and I rejoined
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Dok sam završio školu
i priključio se vojnoj jedinici,
i priključio se vojnoj jedinici,
06:13
my military unit and we were getting
ready to deploy to Afghanistan,
ready to deploy to Afghanistan,
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bili smo spremni
da krenemo ka Avganistanu,
da krenemo ka Avganistanu,
06:16
there were soldiers in my unit who were now
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a bilo je vojnika u mojoj jedinici
06:18
on their second and third deployments
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koji su tu bili drugi i treći put
06:20
before I even had my first.
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pre nego što sam ja bio prvi.
06:21
I remember walking out with
my unit for the first time,
my unit for the first time,
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Sećam se prvog hodanja
sa svojom jedinicom,
sa svojom jedinicom,
06:23
and when you join the Army
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a kada se priključite vojsci
06:25
and you go through a combat tour,
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i kada prođete kroz borbenu turu,
06:26
everyone looks at your shoulder,
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svako vas gleda u rame,
06:28
because on your shoulder is your combat patch.
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jer vam je na ramenu
vaše borbeno obeležje.
vaše borbeno obeležje.
06:31
And so immediately as you meet people,
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Čim upoznate ljude,
06:33
you shake their hand,
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rukujete se sa njima
06:34
and then your eyes go to their shoulder,
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i oči vam krenu ka njihovom ramenu,
06:36
because you want to see where did they serve,
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jer želite da vidite gde služe
ili sa kojom jedinicom su služili.
06:38
or what unit did they serve with?
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06:39
And I was the only person walking around
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Ja sam bio jedina osoba koja šeta
06:41
with a bare shoulder,
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sa golim ramenima,
06:43
and it burned every time someone stared at it.
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i peklo je svaki put kada je neko
buljio u mene.
buljio u mene.
06:47
But you get a chance to talk to your soldiers,
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Ali dobijete priliku da pričate
sa vašim vojnicima
sa vašim vojnicima
06:50
and you ask them why did they sign up.
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i pitate ih zašto su se prijavili.
06:54
I signed up because college was expensive.
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Prijavio sam se jer je koledž bio skup.
06:58
A lot of my soldiers signed up
for completely different reasons.
for completely different reasons.
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Dosta mojih vojnika se prijavilo
iz totalno drugačijih razloga.
iz totalno drugačijih razloga.
07:02
They signed up because of a sense of obligation.
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Prijavili su iz osećaja obaveznosti.
07:04
They signed up because they were angry
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Prijavili su jer su bili besni
07:06
and they wanted to do something about it.
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i želeli su da urade
nešto povodom toga.
nešto povodom toga.
07:08
They signed up because
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Prijavili su se jer
07:09
their family said this was important.
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im je porodica rekla da je to važno.
07:11
They signed up because they
wanted some form of revenge.
wanted some form of revenge.
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Prijavili su se jer su želeli
neki oblik osvete.
neki oblik osvete.
07:13
They signed for a whole
collection of different reasons.
collection of different reasons.
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Prijavili su se iz čitave grupe razloga.
07:18
And now we all found ourselves overseas
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A onda smo se svi našli preko okeana
07:21
fighting in these conflicts.
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boreći se u tim konfliktima.
07:24
And what was amazing to me was that I
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Ono što je mi je bilo fantastično je da
07:27
very naively started hearing this statement
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sam veoma naivno
počeo da slušam ovu izjavu
počeo da slušam ovu izjavu
07:31
that I never fully understood,
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koju nisam baš shvatio,
jer odmah nakon 11. septembra počnete
da sluštate tu ideju
da sluštate tu ideju
07:35
because right after 9/11, you start hearing this idea
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07:37
where people come up to you and they say,
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gde vam ljudi prilaze i kažu:
07:38
"Well, thank you for your service."
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"Hvala ti na službi."
07:41
And I just kind of followed in and started saying
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Ja sam samo pratio sve i počeo da govorim
07:43
the same things to all my soldiers.
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iste stvari mojim vojnicima.
07:44
This is even before I deployed.
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To je bilo pre nego što sam svrstan.
07:46
But I really had no idea what that even meant.
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Ali nisam imao ideju šta je to značilo.
07:50
I just said it because it sounded right.
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Samo sam to rekao jer je zvučalo tačno.
07:52
I said it because it sounded like the right thing to say
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Zvučalo je kao prava stvar za reći
ljudima koji su služili preko okeana.
07:53
to people who had served overseas.
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07:55
"Thank you for your service."
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"Hvala ti na službi."
07:57
But I had no idea what the context was
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Nisam imao pojma kakav je bio kontekst
07:59
or what that even,
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ili šta je to uopšte,
08:02
what it even meant to the people who heard it.
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šta je to uopšte značilo ljudima
koji su to čuli.
koji su to čuli.
08:05
When I first came back from Afghanistan,
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Kada sam se prvi put
vratio iz Avganistana,
vratio iz Avganistana,
08:10
I thought that if you make it back from conflict,
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mislo sam da ako se vratite iz konflikta,
08:14
then the dangers were all over.
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da će se opastnosti završiti.
08:17
I thought that if you made it
back from a conflict zone
back from a conflict zone
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Mislio sam da
ako se vratite iz zone sukoba
ako se vratite iz zone sukoba
08:20
that somehow you could kind of
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da bi nekako mogli
da obrišete znoj sa čela
da obrišete znoj sa čela
08:22
wipe the sweat off your brow and say,
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i kažete:
08:23
"Whew, I'm glad I dodged that one,"
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"Uh, drago mi je da sam to izbegao."
08:27
without understanding that for so many people,
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bez shvatanja da za većinu ljudi,
08:29
as they come back home,
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kada se vrate kući
08:31
the war keeps going.
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rat se nastavlja.
08:33
It keeps playing out in all of our minds.
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Nastavlja da se odigrava i našim umovima.
08:35
It plays out in all of our memories.
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Odigrava se u svim našim sećanjima.
08:38
It plays out in all of our emotions.
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Odigrava se u svim našim osećanjima.
08:43
Please forgive us
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Molim vas oprostite nam
08:44
if we don't like being in big crowds.
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ako ne volimo da budemo
u velikim društvima.
u velikim društvima.
08:49
Please forgive us
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Molimo vas opostite nam
08:52
when we spend one week in a place
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kada provodimo jednu nedelju na mestu
08:54
that has 100 percent light discipline,
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koje ima 100% svetlosnu disciplinu,
jer vam nije
jer vam nije
08:56
because you're not allowed to
walk around with white lights,
walk around with white lights,
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dozvoljeno da idete okolo
sa belim svetlima,
sa belim svetlima,
jer ako nešto ima belu svetlost,
08:58
because if anything has a white light,
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09:00
it can be seen from miles away,
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može se videti kilometrima daleko
09:01
versus if you use little green
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u odnosu na mala zelena
09:03
or little blue lights,
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ili mala plava svetla,
09:04
they cannot be seen from far away.
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ne mogu se videti iz daljine.
09:06
So please forgive us if out of nowhere,
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Molimo vas oprostite nam ako niotkuda
09:08
we go from having 100 percent light discipline
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idemo od 100% svetlosne discipline,
09:12
to then a week later being back
in the middle of Times Square,
in the middle of Times Square,
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a onda se nedelju dana kasnije
vraćamo u sred Tajms Skvera,
vraćamo u sred Tajms Skvera,
09:14
and we have a difficult time adjusting to that.
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i imamo poteškoća da se prilagodimo tome.
09:19
Please forgive us
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Molimo vas oprostite nam
09:21
when you transition back to a family
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kada se vratimo porodici
09:23
who has completely been maneuvering without you,
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koja je totalno vođena bez nas,
09:27
and now when you come back, it's not that easy
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i sada kada se vratite nije tako lako
09:29
to fall back into a sense of normality,
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upasti nazad u osećaj normalnosti,
09:32
because the whole normal has changed.
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jer se čitava normalnost promenila.
09:37
I remember when I came back,
I wanted to talk to people.
I wanted to talk to people.
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Sećam se kada sam se vratio da sam želeo
da pričam sa ljudima.
da pričam sa ljudima.
09:40
I wanted people to ask me about my experiences.
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Želeo sam da me ljudi pitaju
o mojim iskustvima.
o mojim iskustvima.
09:43
I wanted people to come up to me and tell me,
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Želeo sam da mi ljudi priđu
09:45
"What did you do?"
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i pitaju: "Šta si radio?"
09:46
I wanted people to come up to me and tell me,
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Da mi ljudi priđu i pitaju:
09:48
"What was it like? What was the food like?
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"Kako je bilo? Kakva je bila hrana?
09:49
What was the experience like? How are you doing?"
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Kakvo je bilo iskustvo? Kako si?"
09:54
And the only questions I got from people was,
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Jedino što su me pitali bilo je:
09:56
"Did you shoot anybody?"
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"Da li si ubio nekoga?"
09:59
And those were the ones who were even curious
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To su bili oni koji su bili čak
dovoljno radoznali
dovoljno radoznali
10:00
enough to say anything.
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da nešto kažu.
10:04
Because sometimes there's this fear
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Jer ponekad tu je strah i slutnja
10:06
and there's this apprehension that if I say anything,
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da ako kažem nešto,
10:07
I'm afraid I'll offend,
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uplašen sam da ću uvrediti,
10:09
or I'm afraid I'll trigger something,
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ili se bojim da ću pokrenuti nešto,
10:10
so the common default is just saying nothing.
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tako da je najbolji oblik ponašanja
ne reći ništa.
ne reći ništa.
10:15
The problem with that
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Problem sa time je da
10:17
is then it feels like your service
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to izgleda kao da vaša služba
10:19
was not even acknowledged,
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uopšte nije prepoznata
10:22
like no one even cared.
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kao da nikoga nije bilo briga.
10:25
"Thank you for your service,"
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"Hvala ti na službi.",
10:28
and we move on.
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i nastavimo dalje.
10:31
What I wanted to better understand
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Ono što sam hteo bolje da razumem
10:33
was what's behind that,
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je šta je iza toga,
10:37
and why "thank you for your service" isn't enough.
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i zašto "hvala ti na službi"
nije dovoljno.
nije dovoljno.
10:42
The fact is, we have literally
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Činjenica je da imamo bukvalno
10:46
2.6 million men and women
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2,6 miliona muškaraca i žena
10:49
who are veterans of Iraq or Afghanistan
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koji su veterani iz Iraka i Avganistana
10:51
who are all amongst us.
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koji su svi među nama.
10:54
Sometimes we know who they are,
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Ponekad znamo ko su oni,
10:56
sometimes we don't,
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ponekad ne znamo,
10:59
but there is that feeling, the shared experience,
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ali je tu taj osećaj, deljeno iskustvo,
11:01
the shared bond
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deljena povezanost
11:04
where we know that that experience
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gde znamo da to iskustvo
11:06
and that chapter of our life,
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i to poglavlje našeg života,
11:08
while it might be closed,
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iako je možda zatvoreno,
11:10
it's still not over.
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i dalje nije gotovo.
11:14
We think about "thank you for your service,"
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Mislimo o "hvala ti na službi"
11:16
and people say, "So what does 'thank
you for your service' mean to you?"
you for your service' mean to you?"
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i ljudi kažu: "Šta to tebi znači?"
11:18
Well, "Thank you for your service" means to me,
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"Hvala ti na službi" mi znači,
11:20
it means acknowledging our stories,
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to znači prepoznavanje naših priča,
11:24
asking us who we are,
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pitanje nas ko smo,
11:27
understanding the strength
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razumevanje snage,
11:29
that so many people, so many
people who we serve with, have,
people who we serve with, have,
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koju ima toliko ljudi sa kojima služimo,
11:33
and why that service means so much.
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i zašto ta služba toliko puno znači.
"Hvala ti na službi" znači
prepoznavanje činjenice
prepoznavanje činjenice
11:37
"Thank you for your service"
means acknowledging the fact
means acknowledging the fact
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11:39
that just because we've now come home
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da samo zašto što smo se sad vratili kući
11:41
and we've taken off the uniform
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i skinuli uniforme
11:42
does not mean our larger service to this country
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ne znači da je naša veća služba državi
11:45
is somehow over.
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nekako završena.
11:47
The fact is, there's still a tremendous amount
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Činjenica je da postoji ogromna količina
11:50
that can be offered and can be given.
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koja se može ponuditi i može dati.
11:54
When I look at people
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Gledamo u ljude
11:56
like our friend Taylor Urruela,
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poput našeg prijatelja Tejlora Urele,
12:01
who in Iraq loses his leg,
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koji je u Iraku izgubio nogu,
12:02
had two big dreams in his life.
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imao je dva sna u svom životu.
12:05
One was to be a soldier. The other
was to be a baseball player.
was to be a baseball player.
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Jedan je bio da bude vojnik.
Drugi da bude bejzbol igrač.
Drugi da bude bejzbol igrač.
12:08
He loses his leg in Iraq.
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Izgubio je nogu u Iraku.
12:13
He comes back
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Vratio se kući
12:14
and instead of deciding that,
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i uprkos odučivanju da,
12:16
well, now since I've lost my
leg, that second dream is over,
leg, that second dream is over,
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nakon što je izgubio nogu,
da je i drugi san gotov,
da je i drugi san gotov,
12:19
he decides that he still has that
dream of playing baseball,
dream of playing baseball,
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odlučio je da i dalje ima
taj san da igra bejzbol,
taj san da igra bejzbol,
i započeo je svoju grupu, VETSports,
12:21
and he starts this group called VETSports,
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koja danas radi sa veteranima širom države
12:23
which now works with veterans all over the country
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12:25
and uses sports as a way of healing.
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i koristi sport kao način ozdravljenja.
12:30
People like Tammy Duckworth,
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Ljudi poput Tami Dakvort
koja je bila pilot helikoptera
12:32
who was a helicopter pilot
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12:34
and with the helicopter that she was flying,
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i helikopterom kojim je letela
12:36
you need to use both your hands
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treba da se koriste obe ruke
12:37
and also your legs to steer,
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i noge za upravljanje,
12:39
and her helicopter gets hit,
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i njen helikopter je udaren,
i pokušavala je da upravlja
12:40
and she's trying to steer the chopper,
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12:41
but the chopper's not reacting
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ali helikopter nije reagovao
12:43
to her instructions and to her commands.
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na njene instrukcije i komande.
12:45
She's trying to land the chopper safely,
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Pokušavala je da sigurno sleti helikopter,
12:48
but the chopper doesn't land safely,
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ali nije sleteo sigurno,
12:49
and the reason it's not landing safely
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a to se nije desilo
zato što nije odgovarao na komande
koje su njene noge davale
koje su njene noge davale
12:50
is because it's not responding to the
commands that her legs are giving
commands that her legs are giving
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12:53
because her legs were blown off.
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jer su joj noge bile raznete.
12:58
She barely survives.
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Jedva je preživela.
13:01
Medics come and they save her life,
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Doktori su došli i spasli su joj život,
13:05
but then as she's doing her
recuperation back at home,
recuperation back at home,
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ali dok se oporavljala kod kuće
13:07
she realizes that, "My job's still not done."
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shvatila je:
"Moj posao i dalje nije završen."
"Moj posao i dalje nije završen."
13:11
And now she uses her voice
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Sad ona koristi svoj glas
13:13
as a Congresswoman from Illinois
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kao žena u kongresu iz Ilinoisa
13:15
to fight and advocate for a collection of issues
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kako bi se borila
i iznosila brojne probleme
i iznosila brojne probleme
13:18
to include veterans issues.
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koji uključuju probleme veterana.
13:22
We signed up because
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Prijavili smo se
13:25
we love this country we represent.
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jer volimo ovu zemlju koju predstavljamo.
13:29
We signed up because
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Prijavili smo se
13:31
we believe in the idea and we believe in the people
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jer verujemo u ideju i verujemo u ljude
13:34
to our left and to our right.
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sa naše leve i desne strane.
13:37
And the only thing we then ask is that
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Jedina stvar koju pitamo je da
13:39
"thank you for your service"
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"hvala ti za službi"
13:41
needs to be more than just a quote break,
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treba da bude više nego samo fraza,
13:44
that "thank you for your service" means
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da "hvala ti za službu" znači
13:47
honestly digging in
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iskreno poštovanje
13:49
to the people who have stepped up
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ljudi koji su stupili
13:52
simply because they were asked to,
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jer su bili pitani
13:56
and what that means for us not just now,
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i šta to žnači za nas trenutno
13:58
not just during combat operations,
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ne samo tokom borbenih operacija
14:01
but long after the last vehicle has left
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već dugo nakon što je poslednje
vozilo napustilo
vozilo napustilo
14:05
and after the last shot has been taken.
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i nakon poslednjeg pucnja
koji je ispaljen.
koji je ispaljen.
14:09
These are the people who I served with,
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To su ljudi sa kojima sam služio
14:12
and these are the people who I honor.
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i to su ljudi kojima odajem počast.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Wes Moore - Author, advocateWes Moore's life transformed with these words out of his mother's mouth: "I'm sending you to military school." The author of the book, "The Other Wes Moore," he is now a vocal advocate for America's youth as well as for fellow veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Why you should listen
Wes Moore grew up in Maryland in the early '80s and, after his father passed away when he was three years old, he started acting up. Eventually, at age 13, his mother sent him away to military school. This turned out to be a life-changing experience. He adjusted well to the rigid order and took off academically, going on to study International Relations at Oxford University on a Rhodes Scholarship.
In his bestselling book The Other Wes Moore, he takes a hard look at how his life might have unfolded. He does this by interviewing a man who shares his name and had a similar upbringing, but who is serving life in prison for the murder of a Baltimore police officer. It's a beautifully-told tale that shows how lives pivot on circumstance. Moore donates a portion of the book's proceeds to charities focused on empowering America's youth.
A paratrooper and Captain in the United States Army who served a tour of duty in Afghanistan, Moore is also an advocate for veterans. In the PBS special Coming Back Home with Wes Moore, he uses his interviewing chops to talk to other veterans about their experiences returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Moore is also the host of Beyond Belief on the Oprah Winfrey Network.
Wes Moore | Speaker | TED.com