ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kirsty Duncan - Politician, scientist
Kirsty Duncan works for all Canadians to nurture science in Canada and encourages people of all ages to have inquisitive minds.

Why you should listen

Kirsty Duncan is the Minister of Science and Minister of Sport and Persons with Disabilities for the Government of Canada. As a member of Parliament, she has been the voice on Parliament Hill for the citizens of Etobicoke-North since 2008. Duncan has also been a driving force for putting science front and center in the federal government's agenda. She is committed to strengthening science and evidence-based decision making and fostering a culture of curiosity in Canada. And she is taking action to improve equity, diversity and youth participation in Canada’s research community.

Duncan is a medical geographer who led an expedition to remote Svalbard, Norway, to search for the cause of the Spanish Flu, the deadliest of flu pandemics, which has killed upwards of 50 million people worldwide. She is internationally recognized as a leading expert in pandemic influenza and environmental change and its impact on human health. As a fierce defender of the environment, Duncan contributed to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an organization which, jointly with Al Gore, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007. Prior to entering politics in 2008, Duncan was an associate professor at the University of Toronto and the University of Windsor.

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Kirsty Duncan: Scientists must be free to learn, to speak and to challenge

克里斯蒂 · 邓肯: 科学家必须能够自由地学习、发表言论和迎接挑战

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“不要把科学这样基础的、珍贵的东西搞得一团糟”,加拿大首位科学部部长克里斯蒂 · 邓肯这样说道。在这个关于“科学的使命是超越极限”的极具感染力、鼓舞人心的演讲中,她举例说明了科研人员应当毫无约束地揭露令人不快的真相,并且挑战主流见解——当我们发现科学被扼杀或是镇压的时候,我们都有义务为此发声。
- Politician, scientist
Kirsty Duncan works for all Canadians to nurture science in Canada and encourages people of all ages to have inquisitive minds. Full bio

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让我来解释一下什么是岩石鼻涕。
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Let me tell you about rock snot青鼻涕.
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Since以来 1992, Dr博士. Max马克斯 Bothwell博思韦尔,
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自1992年以来,麦克斯 · 博斯维尔
博士(Dr. Max Bothwell),
一位加拿大的科学家,
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a Government政府 of Canada加拿大 scientist科学家,
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has been studying研究 a type类型 of algae藻类
that grows成长 on rocks岩石.
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一直在研究一种
生长于岩石上的藻类。
00:30
Now, the very unscientific不科学 term术语
for that algae藻类 is rock snot青鼻涕,
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这种藻类俗称岩石鼻涕,
因为正如你所想的那样,
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because as you can imagine想像,
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it looks容貌 a lot like snot青鼻涕.
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它看起来非常像鼻涕。
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But scientists科学家们 also call it
DidymospheniaDidymosphenia geminatageminata
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但科学家也称之为双生双楔藻。
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and for decades几十年, this algae藻类
has been sliming up riverbeds河床
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数十年来,该藻类不断使全世界的河床
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around the world世界.
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变得越来越薄。
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The problem问题 with this algae藻类
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这一藻类带来的问题是,
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is that it is a threat威胁 to salmon三文鱼, to trout鳟鱼
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它会对三文鱼、鳟鱼造成威胁,
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and the river ecosystems生态系统 it invades侵入.
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甚至破坏河流的生态系统。
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Now, it turns out Canada's加拿大 Dr博士. Bothwell博思韦尔
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不得不承认,加拿大的博斯维尔博士,
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is actually其实 a world世界 expert专家 in the field领域,
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的确是这方面的专家,
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so it was no surprise in 2014
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所以在2014年,
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when a reporter记者 contacted联系 Dr博士. Bothwell博思韦尔
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记者联系博斯维尔博士
询问该藻类的信息,
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for a story故事 on the algae藻类.
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就非常合理了。
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The problem问题 was, Dr博士. Bothwell博思韦尔
wasn't allowed允许 to speak说话 to the reporter记者,
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不过博斯维尔博士并不能
给记者透露任何消息。
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because the government政府 of the day
wouldn't不会 let him.
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原因是当权政府不允许他这样做。
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110 pages网页 of emails电子邮件
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110页的电子邮件
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and 16 government政府 communication通讯 experts专家
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以及16位政府交际专家
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stood站在 in Dr博士. Bothwell's博思韦尔的 way.
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都在阻止博斯维尔博士。
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Why couldn't不能 Dr博士. Bothwell博思韦尔 speak说话?
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为什么博斯维尔博士不能谈论它呢?
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Well, we'll never know for sure,
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我们也许无从得知,
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but Dr博士. Bothwell's博思韦尔的 research研究 did suggest建议
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但博斯维尔博士的研究确实表明
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that climate气候 change更改
may可能 have been responsible主管
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气候变化也许是导致
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for the aggressive侵略性 algae藻类 blooms绽放.
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岩石鼻涕爆发式增长的原因。
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But who the heck赫克 would want to stifle窒息
climate气候 change更改 information信息, right?
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但到底是谁想切断气候变化
相关消息的外泄渠道呢?
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Yes, you can laugh.
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是的,你可以笑。
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It's a joke玩笑,
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这是个玩笑,
02:16
because it is laughable可笑.
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因为的确可笑。
02:19
We know that climate气候 change更改
is suppressed抑制 for all sorts排序 of reasons原因.
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我们知道,不论出于什么原因,
气候变化都应得到控制。
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I saw it firsthand第一手
when I was a university大学 professor教授.
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以前在大学任教的时候,曾亲身参与其中。
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We see it when countries国家 pull out
of international国际 climate气候 agreements协议
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我们见证了许多国家共同
签署的国际气候协议,
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like the Kyoto京都 Protocol协议
and the Paris巴黎 Accord符合,
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如京都议定书、巴黎协定,
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and we see it when industry行业 fails失败
to meet遇到 its emissions排放 reduction减少 targets目标.
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我们同时也发现,公司企业并没有
完成自身节能减排的目标。
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But it's not just climate气候 change更改
information信息 that's being存在 stifled.
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但并不只是气候变化的信息被压下来。
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So many许多 other scientific科学 issues问题
are obscured模糊 by alternate备用 facts事实,
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太多其他的科学问题也被不同的说法,
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fake news新闻 and other forms形式 of suppression抑制.
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假新闻和其他形式的压制所掩盖。
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We've我们已经 seen看到 it in the United联合的 Kingdom王国,
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英国出现过这样的情况,
俄罗斯也是,
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we've我们已经 seen看到 it in Russia俄国,
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we've我们已经 seen看到 it in the United联合的 States状态
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还有美国。
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and, until直到 2015,
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直到2015年,
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right here in Canada加拿大.
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在加拿大,就在这里,也出现了。
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In our modern现代 technological技术性 age年龄,
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在这个现代化的技术时代,
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when our very survival生存
depends依靠 on discovery发现,
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我们的生存依赖探索,
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innovation革新 and science科学,
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创新和科学。
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it is critical危急, absolutely绝对 critical危急,
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毫无疑问,我们的科学家可以
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that our scientists科学家们 are free自由
to undertake承担 their work,
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毫无阻碍的进行工作,
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free自由 to collaborate合作 with other scientists科学家们,
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和其他科学家合作,
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free自由 to speak说话 to the media媒体
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自由地和媒体交流,
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and free自由 to speak说话 to the public上市.
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与公众对话,这一点至关重要。
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Because after all,
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因为毕竟,
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science科学 is humanity's人类的 best最好 effort功夫
at uncovering揭开 the truth真相
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科学是人类揭开与我们的世界,
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about our world世界,
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我们的存在有关的
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about our very existence存在.
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真相的最佳手段。
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Every一切 new fact事实 that is uncovered裸露
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每个新发现的真相
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adds增加 to the growing生长 body身体
of our collective集体 knowledge知识.
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都使得我们的集体知识愈发丰富。
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Scientists科学家们 must必须 be free自由 to explore探索
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科学家必须不受约束地探索
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unconventional非传统的 or controversial争论的 topics主题.
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非传统或是有争议的主题。
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They must必须 be free自由 to challenge挑战
the thinking思维 of the day
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他们必须自由地挑战主流思想,
同时还必须不受束缚地
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and they must必须 be free自由
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to present当下 uncomfortable不舒服
or inconvenient不方便 truths真理,
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表达令人不快或是难以面对的真相,
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because that's how scientists科学家们
push boundaries边界
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因为这就是科学如何拓宽认知界限的,
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and pushing推动 boundaries边界 is, after all,
what science科学 is all about.
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毕竟,不断超越就是科学的全部。
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And here's这里的 another另一个 point:
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另一点是:
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scientists科学家们 must必须 be free自由 to fail失败,
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科学家必须坦然接受失败,
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because even a failed失败 hypothesis假设
teaches us something.
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因为即使不成立的假设
也会使我们从中获益。
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And the best最好 way I can explain说明 that
is through通过 one of my own拥有 adventures冒险.
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对此,我的一次个人经历
可以做出最好的解释。
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But first I've got
to take you back in time.
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但首先,我得带大家回到过去。
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It's the early 1900s
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20世纪初,
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and Claire克莱尔 and Vera维拉
are roommates室友 in southern南部的 Ontario安大略.
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住在安大略省南部的
克莱尔和薇拉是舍友。
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One evening晚间 during the height高度
of the Spanish西班牙语 flu流感 pandemic流感大流行,
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在西班牙大流感高峰期的一天晚上,
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the two attend出席 a lecture演讲 together一起.
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这两个女孩儿一起去上课。
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The end结束 of the evening晚间,
they head for home and for bed.
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下课后,她们回家,然后上床睡觉。
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In the morning早上, Claire克莱尔 calls电话 up to Vera维拉
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第二天早上,克莱尔给薇拉打电话,
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and says she's going out to breakfast早餐.
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说她要出去吃早餐。
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When she returns回报 a short while later后来,
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当她不久后回来,
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Vera维拉 wasn't up.
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薇拉还没起床。
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She pulls back the covers盖子
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她把被子拉起来,
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and makes品牌 the gruesome阴森 discovery发现.
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发现了一件可怕的事情。
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Vera维拉 was dead.
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薇拉死了。
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When it comes to Spanish西班牙语 flu流感,
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提及西班牙流感,
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those stories故事 are common共同,
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这种一夜致命的情况
非常普遍。
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of lightning闪电 speed速度 deaths死亡.
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当我第一次听说这些令人震惊的事情,
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Well, I was a professor教授 in my mid-中-20s
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还是一名20多岁的教授,
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when I first heard听说 those shocking触目惊心 facts事实
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and the scientist科学家 in me
wanted to know why and how.
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我体内的“科学家”在觉醒,想知道
它为什么会发生,以及是怎样发生的。
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My curiosity好奇心 would lead me
to a frozen冻结的 land土地
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好奇心驱使我去往一个冰冻之地,
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and to lead an expedition远征
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同时也促成了另一段征程,
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to uncover揭露 the cause原因
of the 1918 Spanish西班牙语 flu流感.
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去弄清楚1918年西班牙流感的成因。
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I wanted to test测试 our current当前 drugs毒品 against反对
one of history's历史上 deadliest致命 diseases疾病.
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我想要检验当今的药物能否
对抗历史上最致命的疾病之一。
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I hoped希望 we could make a flu流感 vaccine疫苗
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我希望我们可以培育出流感疫苗,
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that would be effective有效 against反对 the virus病毒
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从而有效应对病毒
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and mutation突变 of it,
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和基因突变,
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should it ever return返回.
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以及病情是否会反复。
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And so I led a team球队, a research研究 team球队,
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于是我带领了一个17人的
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of 17 men男人
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研究小组,
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from Canada加拿大, Norway挪威, the United联合的 Kingdom王国
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他们当中有加拿大人、挪威人、英国人、
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and the United联合的 States状态
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和美国人,
还有人来自北冰洋的斯瓦尔巴群岛。
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to the Svalbard斯瓦尔巴 Islands岛屿
in the Arctic北极 Ocean海洋.
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These islands岛屿 are between之间
Norway挪威 and the North Pole.
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斯瓦尔巴群岛位于挪威和北极之间。
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We exhumed挖出 six bodies身体
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我们挖掘出了六具尸体,
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who had died死亡 of Spanish西班牙语 flu流感
and were buried隐藏 in the permafrost永久冻土
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他们皆死于西班牙流感,
并被长埋于此。
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and we hoped希望 the frozen冻结的 ground地面
would preserve保留 the body身体 and the virus病毒.
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我们希望冰封的土地
可以同时保存尸体和病毒。
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Now, I know what you are all waiting等候 for,
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我知道你们在期待什么,
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that big scientific科学 payoff付清.
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一个重大的科研成果。
07:06
But my science科学 story故事 doesn't have
that spectacular壮观 Hollywood好莱坞 ending结尾.
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但我的科学故事并没有一个
宏大的好莱坞式的结局。
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Most don't.
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大多数都没有。
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Truth真相 is, we didn't find the virus病毒,
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事实是,我们并没有找到病毒。
07:18
but we did develop发展 new techniques技术
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但我们的确发展了新技术,
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to safely安然 exhume发掘 bodies身体
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能够安全挖掘
07:24
that might威力 contain包含 virus病毒.
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可能携带病毒的尸体。
07:26
We did develop发展 new techniques技术
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我们也开发了新技术,
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to safely安然 remove去掉 tissue组织
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安全移除可能携带病毒的
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that might威力 contain包含 virus病毒.
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人体组织。
07:35
And we developed发达 new safety安全 protocols协议
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此外,我们还建立了新的安全协议
07:38
to protect保护 our research研究 team球队
and the nearby附近 community社区.
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以保护我们的研究小组和附近的社区。
07:44
We made制作 important重要 contributions捐款 to science科学
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我们为科学做出了重要的贡献,
07:47
even though虽然 the contributions捐款 we made制作
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尽管这些成就
并不是原先设想的那样。
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were not the ones那些 originally本来 intended.
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07:55
In science科学, attempts尝试 fail失败,
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在科学里,努力以失败收场,
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results结果 prove证明 inconclusive尚无定论
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结果也往往不确定,
08:01
and theories理论 don't pan out.
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因此理论也不成功。
08:04
In science科学,
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在科学里,
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research研究 builds建立 upon the work
and knowledge知识 of others其他,
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研究依赖于其他人的努力和知识,
08:11
or by seeing眼看 further进一步,
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或是目光长远,
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by standing常设 on the shoulders肩膀 of giants豪门,
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站在巨人的肩膀上,
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to paraphrase意译 Newton牛顿.
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这句话是牛顿的名言。
08:18
The point is, scientists科学家们 must必须 be free自由
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问题在于,科学家必须可以自由的
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to choose选择 what they want to explore探索,
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选择他们进行研究探索的内容,
08:26
what they are passionate多情 about
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他们的兴趣所在,
08:28
and they must必须 be free自由
to report报告 their findings发现.
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以及随心所欲发表研究结果。
08:33
You heard听说 me say
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你们也听到我说的了,
08:34
that respect尊重 for science科学
started开始 to improve提高 in Canada加拿大 in 2015.
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在2015年,加拿大对于科学的尊重开始改善。
08:40
How did we get here?
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我们是怎么做到的?
08:42
What lessons教训 might威力 we have to share分享?
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我们可以分享什么经验?
08:46
Well, it actually其实 goes back
to my time as a professor教授.
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事实上,这得回到我还是教授的时候。
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I watched看着 while agencies机构, governments政府
and industries行业 around the world世界
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我注意到,全球的组织、政府以及工业
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suppressed抑制 information信息 on climate气候 change更改.
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在气候变化这一问题上都有所隐瞒。
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It infuriated激怒 me.
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这让我非常愤怒。
09:03
It kept不停 me up at night.
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夜不能寐。
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How could politicians政治家
twist scientific科学 fact事实 for partisan党派 gain获得?
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政客怎么可以为了党派利益扭曲科学事实?
09:13
So I did what anyone任何人
appalled by politics政治 would do:
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所以我做了件事,一件任何
对政治感到震惊的人都会做的事:
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I ran for office办公室, and I won韩元.
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我参加了竞选,然后我成功了。
09:21
(Applause掌声)
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(鼓掌)
我原想可以利用我的新平台
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I thought I would use my new platform平台
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来讲述科学的重要性。
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to talk about the importance重要性 of science科学.
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It quickly很快 became成为 a fight斗争
for the freedom自由 of science科学.
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它很快就变成了为科学的自由而战。
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After all, I was a scientist科学家,
I came来了 from the world世界 under attack攻击,
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我终究是一位科学家,全球正在遭受攻击,
09:45
and I had personally亲自 felt the outrage暴行.
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我也感受到了这种愤怒。
09:50
I could be a voice语音
for those who were being存在 silenced沉默.
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我可以为那些保持沉默的人发声。
09:55
But I quickly很快 learned学到了
that scientists科学家们 were nervous紧张,
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但我很快明白,科学家们都小心翼翼,
10:00
even afraid害怕 to talk to me.
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甚至不敢和我说话。
10:02
One government政府 scientist科学家,
a friend朋友 of mine,
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我的一个朋友在政府从事科研工作,
10:05
we'll call him McPherson麦克弗森,
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我们叫他麦克弗森,
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was concerned关心 about the impact碰撞
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政府政策对他的研究产生了一定影响,
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government政府 policies政策
were having on his research研究
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如今加拿大科学的状态正在恶化,
10:16
and the state of science科学
deteriorating恶化 in Canada加拿大.
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他对此非常担心。
10:20
He was so concerned关心, he wrote to me
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他在忧虑之中写信给我,
10:23
from his wife's妻子 email电子邮件 account帐户
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用了他妻子的邮箱账号,
10:26
because he was afraid害怕
a phone电话 call could be traced追踪.
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因为他担心打电话可能会被追踪。
10:30
He wanted me to phone电话
his wife's妻子 cell细胞 phone电话
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他想让我打给他妻子的手机,
10:34
so that call couldn't不能 be traced追踪.
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这样就不会被查到。
10:37
I only wish希望 I were kidding开玩笑.
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我真希望我是在开玩笑。
10:41
It quickly很快 brought what was happening事件
in Canada加拿大 into sharp尖锐 focus焦点 for me.
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很快,加拿大发生的一切
让我成为了焦点。
10:47
How could my friend朋友 of 20 years年份
be that afraid害怕 to talk to me?
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和我有20年交情的朋友
为何惧怕和我说话?
10:53
So I did what I could at the time.
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所以我做了当时我所能做的。
10:56
I listened听了 and I shared共享 what I learned学到了
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我仔细聆听,并把我所学的分享给
11:01
with my friend朋友 in Parliament议会,
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我在议会的朋友,
11:04
a man who was interested有兴趣
in all things environment环境, science科学,
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他对环境、科学、技术、创新的
11:08
technology技术, innovation革新.
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一切都感兴趣。
11:12
And then the 2015 election选举 rolled热轧 around
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随后2015年大选到来,
我们的政党赢了。
11:16
and our party派对 won韩元.
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11:19
And we formed形成 government政府.
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我们组建了政府。
11:21
And that friend朋友 of mine
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我的那个朋友
11:25
is now the Prime主要 Minister部长
of Canada加拿大, Justin贾斯汀 Trudeau特鲁多.
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现在是加拿大的总理贾斯汀 · 特鲁多。
11:28
(Applause掌声)
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(鼓掌)
11:34
And he asked if I would serve服务
as his Minister部长 of Science科学.
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他问我是否愿意担任科技部部长。
11:38
Together一起, with the rest休息 of the government政府,
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同时,和政府其他部门一起,
11:41
we are working加工 hard to restore恢复
science科学 to its rightful合法的 place地点.
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我们努力试图重树科学的传统地位。
11:47
I will never forget忘记 that day
in December十二月 2015
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我永远都不会忘记2015年12月的那一天,
11:53
when I proudly傲然 stood站在 in Parliament议会
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当我自豪地站在议会前
11:56
and proclaimed宣称的,
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宣布,
11:57
"The war战争 on science科学 is now over."
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“科学的战争结束了。”
12:02
(Applause掌声)
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(鼓掌)
12:08
And I have worked工作 hard
to back up those words with actions行动.
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我努力工作,尽量做到知行合一。
12:12
We've我们已经 had many许多 successes成功.
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我们已经取得了很多成就,
12:15
There's still more work to do,
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但仍然任重道远,
12:18
because we're building建造 this culture文化 shift转移.
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因为我们正在进行文化的转变。
但是我们希望我们的科学家
能够和媒体、公众对话。
12:21
But we want our government政府 scientists科学家们
to talk to the media媒体, talk to the public上市.
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12:27
It'll它会 take time, but we are committed提交.
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这需要时间,但我们对此坚定不移。
12:30
After all, Canada加拿大 is seen看到
as a beacon烽火 for science科学 internationally国际.
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毕竟,加拿大在国际上被视为科学的标杆。
12:36
And we want to send发送 a message信息
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我们想传达一个信息,
12:40
that you do not mess食堂
with something so fundamental基本的,
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不要把科学这样基础的、珍贵的东西
12:44
so precious珍贵, as science科学.
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搞得一团糟。
12:49
So, for Dr博士. Bothwell博思韦尔, for Claire克莱尔 and Vera维拉,
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因此,为了博斯维尔博士、克莱尔、薇拉、
12:54
for McPherson麦克弗森 and all those other voices声音,
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麦克弗森和其他的很多人,
12:58
if you see that science科学 is being存在 stifled,
suppressed抑制 or attacked袭击,
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如果你发现科学正在
被扼杀、镇压或是攻击,
13:04
speak说话 up.
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请大声说出来。
13:05
If you see that scientists科学家们
are being存在 silenced沉默, speak说话 up.
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如果你发现科学家沉默不语,请说出来。
13:11
We must必须 hold保持 our leaders领导者 to account帐户.
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我们必须让领导人
对自己的行为做出解释。
13:15
Whether是否 that is
by exercising行使 our right to vote投票,
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无论是行使我们的选举权,
13:19
whether是否 it is by penning潘宁
an op-ed专栏 in a newspaper报纸
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还是写报纸专栏,
13:23
or by starting开始 a conversation会话
on social社会 media媒体,
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或是与媒体对话,
13:28
it is our collective集体 voice语音
that will ensure确保 the freedom自由 of science科学.
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这是我们集体的声音,
以确保科学的自由。
13:34
And after all, science科学 is for everyone大家,
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毕竟,科学是每一个人的,
13:39
and it will lead to a better,
brighter光明, bolder更大胆 future未来 for us all.
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它会带给我们一个更美好的、
光明的、大胆的未来。
13:45
Thank you.
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谢谢。
13:47
(Applause掌声)
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(鼓掌)
Translated by Ruoxuan Sun
Reviewed by Homer Li

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kirsty Duncan - Politician, scientist
Kirsty Duncan works for all Canadians to nurture science in Canada and encourages people of all ages to have inquisitive minds.

Why you should listen

Kirsty Duncan is the Minister of Science and Minister of Sport and Persons with Disabilities for the Government of Canada. As a member of Parliament, she has been the voice on Parliament Hill for the citizens of Etobicoke-North since 2008. Duncan has also been a driving force for putting science front and center in the federal government's agenda. She is committed to strengthening science and evidence-based decision making and fostering a culture of curiosity in Canada. And she is taking action to improve equity, diversity and youth participation in Canada’s research community.

Duncan is a medical geographer who led an expedition to remote Svalbard, Norway, to search for the cause of the Spanish Flu, the deadliest of flu pandemics, which has killed upwards of 50 million people worldwide. She is internationally recognized as a leading expert in pandemic influenza and environmental change and its impact on human health. As a fierce defender of the environment, Duncan contributed to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an organization which, jointly with Al Gore, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007. Prior to entering politics in 2008, Duncan was an associate professor at the University of Toronto and the University of Windsor.

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