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George Takei: Why I love a country that once betrayed me
乔治 武井: 我为什么深爱着一个曾经被判过我的国家
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乔治武井在儿童时期，和他的家人被关入专门为日裔美国人设立的战俘营，这是二战时期的一项“安全”措施。70年之后，武井回顾了战俘营如何让他对爱国主义和民主形成了自己独到的见解。
George Takei - Actor and activist
The beloved Mr. Sulu from the original Star Trek, George Takei is an activist for human rights (and a master of Facebook memes). Full bio
The beloved Mr. Sulu from the original Star Trek, George Takei is an activist for human rights (and a master of Facebook memes). Full bio
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I'm a veteran of the starship Enterprise.
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我是进取号战舰的退伍老兵
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I soared through the galaxy
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我飞翔在银河之间
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driving a huge starship
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驾驶着巨型的星际飞船
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with a crew made up of people
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带领着来自全世界的
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from all over this world,
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人类船员
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many different races, many different cultures,
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和很多不同文化，不同遗产传承的
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many different heritages,
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其它种族
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all working together,
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同心协力
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and our mission was to explore strange new worlds,
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我们的任务是探索陌生的新世界
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to seek out new life and new civilizations,
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寻找新的生命和文明
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to boldly go where no one has gone before.
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向未知的宇宙洪荒大胆前进
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Well —
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好了
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(Applause) —
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（掌声）
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I am the grandson of immigrants from Japan
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我是来自日本移民的第三代后裔
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who went to America,
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我的祖父母来到美国
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boldly going to a strange new world,
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勇敢地进入一个陌生的新世界
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seeking new opportunities.
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寻找新的机会
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My mother was born in Sacramento, California.
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我的母亲出生在加利福尼亚州萨格拉门托市
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My father was a San Franciscan.
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我的父亲是旧金山人
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They met and married in Los Angeles,
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他们在洛杉矶相遇并结婚
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and I was born there.
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我就在那里出生
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I was four years old
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我当时只有4岁
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when Pearl Harbor was bombed
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珍珠港
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on December 7, 1941 by Japan,
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在1941年12月7日被日本轰炸
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and overnight, the world was plunged
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一夜之间，全世界
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into a world war.
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陷入了世界性的战争
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America suddenly was swept up
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突然之间，美国充满了
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by hysteria.
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歇斯底里的情绪
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Japanese-Americans,
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日裔美国人
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American citizens of Japanese ancestry,
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日本人后裔的美国公民
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were looked on
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遭到了
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with suspicion and fear
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怀疑和恐惧
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and with outright hatred
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以及赤裸裸的仇恨
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simply because we happened to look like
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只是因为我们碰巧长得像
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the people that bombed Pearl Harbor.
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轰炸珍珠港的那些人
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And the hysteria grew and grew
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歇斯底里的情绪在不断增长
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until in February 1942,
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直到1942年2月
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the president of the United States,
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美国总统
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt,
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富兰克林德拉诺罗斯福
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ordered all Japanese-Americans
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命令美国西海岸的
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on the West Coast of America
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所有日裔美国人
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to be summarily rounded up
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立即集合
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with no charges, with no trial,
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没有罪名，没有审判
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with no due process.
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未经法律诉讼程序
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Due process, this is a core pillar
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法律诉讼程序，是我们司法体制的
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of our justice system.
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核心支柱
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That all disappeared.
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一切都没有
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We were to be rounded up
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我们必须被集中起来
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and imprisoned in 10 barbed-wire prison camps
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被监禁在10个铁丝网围绕的战俘集中营
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in some of the most desolate places in America:
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它们都位于美国最偏远的地区
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the blistering hot desert of Arizona,
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亚利桑那州酷热的沙漠
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the sultry swamps of Arkansas,
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阿肯色州潮湿的沼泽
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the wastelands of Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Colorado,
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怀俄明、爱达荷、犹他和科罗拉多州的不毛之地
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and two of the most desolate places in California.
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还有两个位于加利福尼亚州最荒凉的地带
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On April 20th, I celebrated my fifth birthday,
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4月20日，是我5周岁的生日
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and just a few weeks after my birthday,
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生日之后的几个星期
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my parents got my younger brother,
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我的父母把我弟弟
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my baby sister and me
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妹妹和我
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up very early one morning,
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很早就叫起来
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and they dressed us hurriedly.
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匆忙给我们穿上衣服
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My brother and I were in the living room
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弟弟和我坐在客厅里
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looking out the front window,
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从窗户向外看
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and we saw two soldiers marching up our driveway.
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我们看到两名士兵走到门前的车道
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They carried bayonets on their rifles.
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他们的步枪上装着刺刀
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They stomped up the front porch
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他们走过门廊
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and banged on the door.
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大声地敲门
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My father answered it,
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我的父亲打开门
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and the soldiers ordered us out of our home.
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士兵命令我们离开家
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My father gave my brother and me
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父亲给我和弟弟
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small luggages to carry,
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一人一个小箱子
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and we walked out and stood on the driveway
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我们走出来，站在外面
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waiting for our mother to come out,
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等着妈妈
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and when my mother finally came out,
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我的母亲最后走出来
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she had our baby sister in one arm,
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一只手抱着妹妹
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a huge duffel bag in the other,
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另一只手拿着一个大袋子
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and tears were streaming down both her cheeks.
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她的脸颊上挂着眼泪
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I will never be able to forget that scene.
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我永远忘不了那个场景
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It is burned into my memory.
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它深深地烙印在我的记忆中
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We were taken from our home
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我们被从家里带走
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and loaded on to train cars
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装上一列火车
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with other Japanese-American families.
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车上还有其他日裔美国人家庭
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There were guards stationed
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每节车厢两端
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at both ends of each car,
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都有士兵把守
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as if we were criminals.
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好像我们是罪犯
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We were taken two thirds of
the way across the country,
the way across the country,
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我们跨越了这个国家四分之三的距离
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rocking on that train for four days and three nights,
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在摇摇晃晃的车厢中度过了
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四天三夜
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to the swamps of Arkansas.
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最终来到阿肯色州的沼泽地带
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I still remember the barbed wire fence
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我依然记得围绕在身边的
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that confined me.
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铁丝网
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I remember the tall sentry tower
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我记得高高的哨兵塔
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with the machine guns pointed at us.
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上面架设的机枪瞄准我们
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I remember the searchlight that followed me
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我记得晚间
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when I made the night runs
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从兵营跑到厕所时
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from my barrack to the latrine.
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跟随我的探照灯光
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But to five-year-old me,
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但是对于5岁的我来说
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I thought it was kind of nice that they'd lit the way
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我觉得这还不错，
因为他们在我尿尿时
因为他们在我尿尿时
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for me to pee.
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会为我照亮
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I was a child,
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我还是个孩子
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too young to understand the circumstances
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不能理解我为什么
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of my being there.
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会待在那里
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Children are amazingly adaptable.
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孩子们的适应能力非常强
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What would be grotesquely abnormal
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这些极为反常的安排
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became my normality
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反倒成为我在战俘营中
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in the prisoner of war camps.
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习以为常的日常生活
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It became routine for me to line up three times a day
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我习惯了每天三次的列队
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to eat lousy food in a noisy mess hall.
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习惯了在嘈杂的食堂中吃恶心的食物
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It became normal for me to go with my father
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习惯了和父亲一起
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to bathe in a mass shower.
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集体洗澡
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Being in a prison, a barbed-wire prison camp,
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在一个监狱中，
一个铁丝网环绕的战俘集中营里
一个铁丝网环绕的战俘集中营里
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became my normality.
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这都是我的日常生活
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When the war ended,
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战争结束了
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we were released,
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我们也被释放了
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and given a one-way ticket
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每个人领到一张单程车票
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to anywhere in the United States.
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可以去美国的任何地方
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My parents decided to go back home
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我的父母决定回家
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to Los Angeles,
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回到洛杉矶
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but Los Angeles was not a welcoming place.
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但是洛杉矶并不友好
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We were penniless.
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我们身无分文
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Everything had been taken from us,
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所有的一切都被抢走了
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and the hostility was intense.
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周围的敌意还非常明显
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Our first home was on Skid Row
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我们第一个落脚地是
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in the lowest part of our city,
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城市最下方的贫民窟
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living with derelicts, drunkards
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与流浪汉、醉鬼
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and crazy people,
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和疯子们住在一起
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the stench of urine all over,
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街道、小巷和走廊中
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on the street, in the alley,
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弥漫着
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in the hallway.
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排泄物的臭气
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It was a horrible experience,
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对我们孩子来说
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and for us kids, it was terrorizing.
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那是一段可怕的经历
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I remember once
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我记得有一次
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a drunkard came staggering down,
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一个醉汉踉踉跄跄地走过来
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fell down right in front of us,
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就在我们眼前跌倒
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and threw up.
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然后开始呕吐
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My baby sister said, "Mama, let's go back home,"
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我的妹妹说：
“妈妈，我们回家吧。”
“妈妈，我们回家吧。”
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because behind barbed wires
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因为铁丝网的里面
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was for us
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就是
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home.
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我们的家
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My parents worked hard
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我的父母努力工作
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to get back on their feet.
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养活一家人
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We had lost everything.
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我们失去了一切
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They were at the middle of their lives
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他们在中年时期
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and starting all over.
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一切重新开始
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They worked their fingers to the bone,
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他们拼命地工作
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and ultimately they were able
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最终，我们
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to get the capital together to buy
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有足够的钱
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a three-bedroom home in a nice neighborhood.
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在一个不错的街区买一所有三个卧室的房子
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And I was a teenager,
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那时候我十几岁
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and I became very curious
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对童年时的监禁生活
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about my childhood imprisonment.
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非常好奇
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I had read civics books that told me about
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我阅读了公民教育手册，
其中提到
其中提到
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the ideals of American democracy.
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美国民主的理念
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All men are created equal,
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所有的人生而平等
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we have an inalienable right
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我们有不可剥夺的
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to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
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生活、自由和追求幸福的权利
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and I couldn't quite make that fit
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这与我童年监禁生活
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with what I knew to be my childhood imprisonment.
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的经历判若云泥
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I read history books,
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我遍阅历史书籍
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and I couldn't find anything about it.
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找不到有关这件事的任何描述
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And so I engaged my father after dinner
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于是我在晚饭后找到父亲
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in long, sometimes heated conversations.
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与他进行长时间，有时候是激烈的讨论
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We had many, many conversations like that,
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我们有过很多很多这样的讨论
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and what I got from them
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从中我收获了
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was my father's wisdom.
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父亲的智慧
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He was the one that suffered the most
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在监禁期间
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under those conditions of imprisonment,
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他遭受的苦难最深
08:25
and yet he understood American democracy.
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但他依然理解美国式民主
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He told me that our democracy
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他告诉我，我们的民主
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is a people's democracy,
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是人民的民主
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and it can be as great as the people can be,
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人民强大，民主也强大
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but it is also as fallible as people are.
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但它也像人一样会犯错误
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He told me that American democracy
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他告诉我，美国民主
08:45
is vitally dependent on good people
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主要取决于那些善良的人
08:49
who cherish the ideals of our system
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他们珍爱我们体制的理念
08:53
and actively engage in the process
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积极地推动
08:56
of making our democracy work.
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民主的发展
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And he took me to a campaign headquarters —
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他把我带到一个竞选总部
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the governor of Illinois was
running for the presidency —
running for the presidency —
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伊利诺伊州长正在竞选总统
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and introduced me to American electoral politics.
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让我开始接触美国选举政治
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And he also told me about
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他还给我讲
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young Japanese-Americans
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年轻的日裔美国人
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during the Second World War.
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在二战中的故事
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When Pearl Harbor was bombed,
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珍珠港遭到轰炸之后
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young Japanese-Americans,
like all young Americans,
like all young Americans,
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年轻的日裔美国人和年轻的美国人一样
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rushed to their draft board
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纷纷前往征兵处
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to volunteer to fight for our country.
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志愿为祖国而战
09:30
That act of patriotism
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爱国的热情
09:33
was answered with a slap in the face.
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遭到了当头一棒
09:37
We were denied service,
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我们被拒绝入伍
09:40
and categorized as enemy non-alien.
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我们被认为是敌对的非盟友
09:46
It was outrageous to be called an enemy
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敌人的称呼让人愤怒
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when you're volunteering to fight for your country,
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当你志愿为祖国而战
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but that was compounded with the word "non-alien,"
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却被冠以“非盟友”的称呼
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which is a word that means
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这个词的意思是
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"citizen" in the negative.
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“公民”的对立面
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They even took the word "citizen" away from us,
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他们甚至剥夺了我们公民的身份
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and imprisoned them for a whole year.
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还把他们监禁一年
10:12
And then the government realized
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之后，政府意识到
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that there's a wartime manpower shortage,
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战争期间人手匮乏
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and as suddenly as they'd rounded us up,
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就像他们突然把我们抓起来一样
10:23
they opened up the military for service
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他们又突然向年轻的日裔美国人
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by young Japanese-Americans.
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敞开了军队的大门
10:28
It was totally irrational,
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这完全没有道理可讲
10:30
but the amazing thing,
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但神奇的
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the astounding thing,
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令人震惊的是
10:35
is that thousands of young
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成千上万
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Japanese-American men and women
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来自铁丝网后面的
10:40
again went from behind those barbed-wire fences,
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年轻日裔美国男女
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put on the same uniform as that of our guards,
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穿上与守卫同样的军装
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leaving their families in imprisonment,
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离开监狱中的家庭
10:51
to fight for this country.
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为祖国而战
10:53
They said that they were going to fight
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他们说，他们的战争
10:55
not only to get their families out
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不仅仅是为了让家人
10:58
from behind those barbed-wire fences,
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走出铁丝网
11:01
but because they cherished the very ideal
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而且因为他们相信
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of what our government stands for,
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我们的政府捍卫的理念
11:06
should stand for,
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他们也要捍卫
11:08
and that was being abrogated
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被目前行为
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by what was being done.
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所破坏殆尽的理念
11:15
All men are created equal.
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所有的人生而平等
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And they went to fight for this country.
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于是他们挺身而出，为祖国而战
11:21
They were put into a segregated
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他们被安排在一个单独的
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all Japanese-American unit
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日裔美国人作战部队
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and sent to the battlefields of Europe,
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被送往欧洲战场
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and they threw themselves into it.
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他们投身战争
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They fought with amazing,
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以异乎寻常的勇气
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incredible courage and valor.
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和毅力作战
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They were sent out on the most dangerous missions
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他们执行最危险的任务
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and they sustained the highest combat casualty rate
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平均各作战部队的情况
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of any unit proportionally.
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他们的伤亡率最高
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There is one battle that illustrates that.
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有一场战役说明了这一点
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It was a battle for the Gothic Line.
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那是哥特防线的一场战役
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The Germans were embedded
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德国人被困在
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in this mountain hillside,
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山坡的一侧
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rocky hillside,
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一面是高耸的峭壁
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in impregnable caves,
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一面是坚不可摧的山洞
12:02
and three allied battalions
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三个盟军营
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had been pounding away at it
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已经连续进攻了
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for six months,
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6个月
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and they were stalemated.
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双方陷入僵局
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The 442nd was called in
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442营得到命令
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to add to the fight,
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进入战场
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but the men of the 442nd
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442营的士兵
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came up with a unique
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有了一个异想天开
12:23
but dangerous idea:
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又极为危险的想法
12:25
The backside of the mountain
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山的后面
12:27
was a sheer rock cliff.
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是一个岩石峭壁
12:30
The Germans thought an attack from the backside
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德国人认为对方绝不可能
12:33
would be impossible.
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从后面发动进攻
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The men of the 442nd decided to do the impossible.
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442营的士兵决定把它变成可能
12:40
On a dark, moonless night,
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在一个星月无光的晚上
12:44
they began scaling that rock wall,
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他们开始测量峭壁的高度
12:48
a drop of more than 1,000 feet,
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超过1000英尺
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in full combat gear.
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全副武装的士兵
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They climbed all night long
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花了整整一晚
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on that sheer cliff.
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攀登这座峭壁
13:02
In the darkness,
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在黑暗中
13:04
some lost their handhold
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一些人由于失手
13:06
or their footing
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或者失足
13:07
and they fell to their deaths
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跌入下面的深渊
13:10
in the ravine below.
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坠亡
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They all fell silently.
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他们无声无息地落下
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Not a single one cried out,
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没有一声叫喊
13:19
so as not to give their position away.
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以免暴露行踪
13:22
The men climbed for eight hours straight,
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士兵们攀爬了8个小时
13:26
and those who made it to the top
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到达顶部的人
13:29
stayed there until the first break of light,
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在等待清晨的第一缕阳光
13:33
and as soon as light broke,
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破晓时分
13:36
they attacked.
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他们发动了进攻
13:38
The Germans were surprised,
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德国人无法想象
13:40
and they took the hill
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他们占领了山头
13:41
and broke the Gothic Line.
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突破了哥特防线
13:44
A six-month stalemate
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6个月的僵局
13:47
was broken by the 442nd
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被442营
13:49
in 32 minutes.
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在32分钟内打破
13:52
It was an amazing act,
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这是一次极为成功的行动
13:56
and when the war ended,
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战争结束后
13:58
the 442nd returned to the United States
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442营士兵回到美国
14:02
as the most decorated unit
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他们是二战中
14:04
of the entire Second World War.
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功勋最为显著的部队
14:07
They were greeted back on the White House Lawn
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他们在白宫草坪，得到杜鲁门总统
14:10
by President Truman, who said to them,
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的接见，他说：
14:12
"You fought not only the enemy
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“你们不但与敌人作战
14:16
but prejudice, and you won."
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还在与世俗的偏见和你们自己作战。”
14:20
They are my heroes.
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他们是我心目中的英雄
14:24
They clung to their belief
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他们沐浴着这个国家闪亮的理念
14:27
in the shining ideals of this country,
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爬上了峭壁
14:30
and they proved that being an American
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他们证明，美国人的称号
14:34
is not just for some people,
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不仅仅属于一部分人
14:37
that race is not how we define being an American.
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美国人并不是一个种族的名称
14:43
They expanded what it means to be an American,
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他们重新定义了美国人的概念
14:46
including Japanese-Americans
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其中也包括了那些
14:49
that were feared and suspected and hated.
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被人怀疑和仇恨的日裔美国人
14:53
They were change agents,
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他们促成了未来的变化
14:56
and they left for me
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他们给我留下了
14:59
a legacy.
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丰厚的遗产
15:01
They are my heroes
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他们是我的英雄
15:03
and my father is my hero,
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我的父亲是我的英雄
15:05
who understood democracy
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他了解民主的含义
15:07
and guided me through it.
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引导我走出迷惘
15:11
They gave me a legacy,
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他们留给我的东西
15:13
and with that legacy comes a responsibility,
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让我形成了一种责任感
15:17
and I am dedicated
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我下定决心
15:19
to making my country
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让我的国家
15:21
an even better America,
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成为一个更好的美国
15:24
to making our government
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让我们的政府
15:27
an even truer democracy,
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变得更加民主
15:30
and because of the heroes that I have
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由于我心目中的那些英雄
15:34
and the struggles that we've gone through,
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由于我们经历的那些苦难
15:37
I can stand before you
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我可以作为一个日裔美国同胞
15:39
as a gay Japanese-American,
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站在你们的面前
15:42
but even more than that,
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更重要的是
15:45
I am a proud American.
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我是一个自豪的美国人
15:49
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢
15:51
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
George Takei - Actor and activistThe beloved Mr. Sulu from the original Star Trek, George Takei is an activist for human rights (and a master of Facebook memes).
Why you should listen
George Takei is known for his portrayal of Mr. Sulu in the original Star Trek TV series and films, but since serving as the helm officer on the USS Enterprise, he's become a pop culture icon here on this planet. To Be Takei, a documentary on his life and career directed by Jennifer M. Kroot that premiered at Sundance in January 2014, will be released theatrically in August 2014.
Takei is a master of Facebook virality, and has written two books about it: Oh Myyy! - There Goes The Internet and Lions and Tigers and Bears - The Internet Strikes Back (known collectively as Life, the Internet and Everything, Books 1 and 2). He's also the host of the YouTube series Takei's Take.
Along with Lea Salonga and actor-singer-songwriter Telly Leung, he stars in a new musical called Allegiance (music and lyrics by Jay Kuo, book by Jay Kuo, Lorenzo Thione and Marc Acito). The musical is an epic story of love, family and heroism during the Japanese American internment.
Takei is an important advocate for LGBT rights; in 2005, he came out of the closet, and has been an active campaigner for the right of all people to marry.
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