ABOUT THE SPEAKER
David Brenner - Radiation scientist
We are decidedly losing the war against superbugs, and with a projected annual death toll by 2050 of 10 million people. David Brenner would like to stop that.

Why you should listen

David Brenner directs the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University Medical Center in New York City and has numerous distinctions within his field such as the Oxford University Weldon Prize and the Radiation Research Society Failla Gold Medal Award. Founded by a student of Marie Curie more than a century ago, the Center for Radiological Research is committed to exploiting all forms of radiation to improve medical care.

As Brenner sees it, radiation is very much a two-edged sword -- used in the right way it has revolutionized modern medicine, such as through CT scans and as a cure for many cancers. But radiation used in the wrong way can be harmful. To maximize the benefits of the many different types of radiation, we need to understand exactly how they affect us, from our DNA to the whole person.

Over the past six years, Brenner and his team have applied this idea in working towards a safe way to kill drug-resistant bacteria such as MRSA, as well as airborne microbes such as influenza and TB, using a unique type of ultra-violet light, known as far-UVC.

In short, it is pure physics -- far-UVC light is safe for us because it cannot even penetrate through the dead-cell layer on the surface of our skin or the tear layer on the surface of our eyes. But because bacteria and viruses are physically very small, far-UVC light does have enough penetration to efficiently kill them.

Brenner envisions a wide range of applications for this new weapon in the war against superbugs, such as in operating rooms during surgery to minimize the risk of surgical site infections, in schools to prevent the spread of influenza or measles, in shelters to prevent the spread of TB, or in airplanes and airports to prevent the global spread of viruses like H1N1.

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David Brenner: A new weapon in the fight against superbugs

大卫·布伦纳: 对抗超级细菌的新武器

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自从1940年代开始,抗生素开始得到广泛使用,我们曾试图研制比细菌繁殖更快的新药物——但是这个策略失败了。耐药细菌,作为超级细菌被人们知晓,在去年杀死了70万人。到2050年,由于超级细菌致死的人数可能达到1000万——比癌症每年致死的人数还多。物理学能够帮上什么忙吗?在这场演讲中,一位来自科学前沿的辐射学家大卫·布伦纳分享了他的研究,关于潜在的挽救生命的武器:一种波长的紫外线,即远—短波紫外线,能够安全地杀死超级细菌,而不会穿入我们的皮肤。随后是TED负责人克里斯·安德森的提问与回答环节。
- Radiation scientist
We are decidedly losing the war against superbugs, and with a projected annual death toll by 2050 of 10 million people. David Brenner would like to stop that. Full bio

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So ... we're in a real真实 live生活 war战争
at the moment时刻,
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在此刻,我们正经历着
一场真实的战争,
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and it's a war战争 that we're truly losing失去.
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一场我方处于劣势的战争。
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It's a war战争 on superbugs超级细菌.
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这是一场对抗超级细菌的战争。
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So you might威力 wonder奇迹,
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你可能会感到好奇,
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if I'm going to talk about superbugs超级细菌,
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如果我打算谈论超级细菌,
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why I'm showing展示 you a photograph照片
of some soccer足球 fans球迷 --
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那么为什么我会给你们看
一张都是足球迷的照片——
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Liverpool利物浦 soccer足球 fans球迷
celebrating庆祝 a famous著名 victory胜利
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这是利物浦足球迷
在庆祝一场著名的胜利 ,
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in Istanbul伊斯坦布尔, a decade ago.
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是在十年前的伊斯坦布尔。
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In the back, in the red shirt衬衫,
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在后面,穿着红色T恤的人
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well, that's me,
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就是我,
00:44
and next下一个 to me in the red hat帽子,
that's my friend朋友 Paul保罗 Rice白饭.
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我旁边那个戴红色帽子的人,
是我的朋友保罗·赖斯。
00:49
So a couple一对 of years年份
after this picture图片 was taken采取,
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在拍完这张照片几年之后,
00:52
Paul保罗 went into hospital醫院
for some minor次要 surgery手术,
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保罗去医院做了个小手术,
00:56
and he developed发达
a superbug-related超级bug相关 infection感染,
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然而他被超级细菌感染,
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and he died死亡.
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后来去世了。
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And I was truly shocked吃惊.
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我当时感到不可思议,
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He was a healthy健康 guy in the prime主要 of life.
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他身体健康,正值壮年。
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So there and then,
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不过在那时,
01:09
and actually其实 with a lot of encouragement鼓励
from a couple一对 of TEDstersTEDsters,
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TED社区的一些人都来鼓励我,
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I declared声明 my own拥有
personal个人 war战争 on superbugs超级细菌.
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我开启了我个人与超级细菌的战争。
01:18
So let's talk about superbugs超级细菌
for a moment时刻.
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那么让我们来讨论一下超级细菌。
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The story故事 actually其实 starts启动 in the 1940s
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超级细菌的出现
实际上开始于1940年代,
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with the widespread广泛
introduction介绍 of antibiotics抗生素.
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那时抗生素已经正式进入市场。
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And since以来 then,
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从那以后,
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drug-resistant耐药性 bacteria
have continued继续 to emerge出现,
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耐药细菌持续兴起,
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and so we've我们已经 been forced被迫 to develop发展
newer and newer drugs毒品
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因此,我们被迫不断制更新的药物
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to fight斗争 these new bacteria.
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用于对抗这些新细菌。
01:40
And this vicious恶毒 cycle周期
actually其实 is the origin起源 of superbugs超级细菌,
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这种恶性循环实际上是
超级细菌的起源,
01:45
which哪一个 is simply只是 bacteria
for which哪一个 we don't have effective有效 drugs毒品.
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也就是那些没有有效药物
可以与之对抗的细菌。
01:51
I'm sure you'll你会 recognize认识
at least最小 some of these superbugs超级细菌.
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我相信你们对它们中的
某些细菌有印象。
01:55
These are the more
common共同 ones那些 around today今天.
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如今,这些细菌已经越来越普遍了。
01:58
Last year, around 700,000 people died死亡
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去年,大约70万人死于
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from superbug-related超级bug相关 diseases疾病.
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超级细菌相关的疾病。
02:05
Looking to the future未来,
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展望未来,
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if we carry携带 on on the path路径 we're going,
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如果我们继续走这条路,
02:12
which哪一个 is basically基本上 a drugs-based以毒品为基础的
approach途径 to the problem问题,
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也就是依靠药物解决问题的道路,
02:16
the best最好 estimate估计
by the middle中间 of this century世纪
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最乐观的估计是,到本世纪中叶
02:18
is that the worldwide全世界 death死亡 toll收费
from superbugs超级细菌 will be 10 million百万.
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全球由于超级细菌致死的人数
将达到1000万。
02:24
10 million百万.
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1000万。
02:25
Just to put that in context上下文,
that's actually其实 more
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如果大家对这个数字
没什么概念的话,这实际上比
02:28
than the number of people
that died死亡 of cancer癌症 worldwide全世界 last year.
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去年全球范围内
死于癌症的人数还要多。
02:32
So it seems似乎 pretty漂亮 clear明确
that we're not on a good road,
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所以很明显,我们并没有
在一条正确的路上,
02:37
and the drugs-based以毒品为基础的 approach途径
to this problem问题 is not working加工.
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基于药物解决问题并不管用。
02:42
I'm a physicist物理学家,
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我是一名物理学家,
02:44
and so I wondered想知道, could we take
a physics-based基于物理的 approach途径 --
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因此我在想,我们是否可以
采用一种基于物理学的方法——
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a different不同 approach途径 to this problem问题.
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一个不同的解决问题的方法。
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And in that context上下文,
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在那种情况下,
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the first thing we know for sure,
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第一件我们可以确定的事,
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is that we actually其实 know how to kill
every一切 kind of microbe微生物,
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就是实际上我们知道
如何杀死每一种微生物,
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every一切 kind of virus病毒,
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每一种病毒,
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every一切 kind of bacteria.
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每一种细菌。
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And that's with ultraviolet紫外线 light.
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可以使用紫外线。
03:05
We've我们已经 actually其实 known已知 this
for more than 100 years年份.
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事实上,100多年前
我们就知道了这一点。
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I think you all know
what ultraviolet紫外线 light is.
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我想你们都知道紫外线是什么。
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It's part部分 of a spectrum光谱
that includes包括 infrared红外线,
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它是光谱的一部分,光谱包括红外线、
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it includes包括 visible可见 light,
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可见光,
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and the short-wavelength短波长 part部分
of this group is ultraviolet紫外线 light.
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短波长的部分就是紫外线。
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The key thing from our perspective透视 here
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在我们看来,最重要的一点
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is that ultraviolet紫外线 light kills杀死 bacteria
by a completely全然 different不同 mechanism机制
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即紫外线杀死细菌与药物杀死细菌
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from the way drugs毒品 kill bacteria.
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是完全不同的原理。
03:32
So ultraviolet紫外线 light is just as capable
of killing谋杀 a drug-resistant耐药性 bacteria
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而紫外线能够杀死耐药细菌
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as any other bacteria,
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以及其他任何细菌,
03:40
and because ultraviolet紫外线 light
is so good at killing谋杀 all bugs虫子,
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而且由于紫外线擅长杀死所有细菌,
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it's actually其实 used a lot these days
to sterilize消毒 rooms客房,
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如今它得到许多应用,
比如消毒房间,
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sterilize消毒 working加工 surfaces.
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消毒操作台面。
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What you see here is a surgical外科 theater剧院
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你们现在看到的是一个手术室
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being存在 sterilized消毒 with germicidal杀菌
ultraviolet紫外线 light.
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正在用有杀菌力的紫外线消毒。
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But what you don't see
in this picture图片, actually其实,
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但是在这张图上你看不到的,
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is any people,
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是人,
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and there's a very good reason原因 for that.
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因为有一个很好的理由。
04:06
Ultraviolet紫外线 light
is actually其实 a health健康 hazard冒险,
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实际上,紫外线对健康有害,
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so it can damage损伤 cells细胞 in our skin皮肤,
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它可以破坏我们皮肤里的细胞,
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cause原因 skin皮肤 cancer癌症,
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引起皮肤癌,
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it can damage损伤 cells细胞 in our eye,
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它可以破坏我们眼睛里的细胞,
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cause原因 eye diseases疾病 like cataract白内障.
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造成眼疾,如白内障。
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So you can't use conventional常规,
germicidal杀菌, ultraviolet紫外线 light
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所以,当周围有人的时候,你没法使用
传统的、有杀菌力的紫外线。
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when there are people are around.
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And of course课程,
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当然,
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we want to sterilize消毒 mostly大多
when there are people around.
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大部分有人在的时候,
我们也想要消毒。
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So the ideal理想 ultraviolet紫外线 light
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所以,理想的紫外线
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would actually其实 be able能够
to kill all bacteria,
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实际上能够杀死所有的细菌,
包括超级细菌,
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including包含 superbugs超级细菌,
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but would be safe安全 for human人的 exposure曝光.
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但对于人体暴露又是安全的。
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And actually其实 that's where my physics物理
background背景 kicked into this story故事.
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事实上,这也是我的物理学背景
能够发挥作用的地方。
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Together一起 with my physics物理 colleagues同事,
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我和同行们一起发现了
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we realized实现 there actually其实 is a particular特定
wavelength波长 of ultraviolet紫外线 light
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实际上有一种独特波长的紫外线
应该可以杀死所有细菌,
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that should kill all bacteria,
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but should be safe安全 for human人的 exposure曝光.
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但又对人体无害。
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That wavelength波长 is called far-UVC远UVC light,
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它被称为远—短波紫外线(far-UVC),
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and it's just the short-wavelength短波长 part部分
of the ultraviolet紫外线 spectrum光谱.
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是紫外线光谱中一个短波长部分。
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So let's see how that would work.
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让我们来看看这背后的原理吧。
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What you're seeing眼看 here
is the surface表面 of our skin皮肤,
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你们现在看到的是我们皮肤的表面,
05:14
and I'm going to superimpose叠加 on that
some bacteria in the air空气 above以上 the skin皮肤.
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我将添加一些细菌
在皮肤表面的空气中。
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Now we're going to see what happens发生
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现在我们来看看当皮肤暴露在
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when conventional常规, germicidal杀菌,
ultraviolet紫外线 light impinges撞击 on this.
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传统的、有杀菌力的
紫外线中会发生什么。
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So what you see is,
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你们现在看到的是,
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as we know, germicidal杀菌 light
is really good at killing谋杀 bacteria,
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有杀菌力的紫外线
确实对细菌有很强杀伤力,
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but what you also see
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但你们也看到了
05:35
is that it penetrates渗透
into the upper layers of our skin皮肤,
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它可以穿透我们的表层皮肤,
05:38
and it can damage损伤
those key cells细胞 in our skin皮肤
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它可以破坏我们皮肤里的重要细胞
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which哪一个 ultimately最终, when damaged破损,
can lead to skin皮肤 cancer癌症.
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最终,这些细胞被破坏,
可能会引起皮肤癌。
05:46
So let's compare比较 now with far-UVC远UVC light --
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现在让我们来对比一下
远—短波紫外线——
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same相同 situation情况,
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同样的情况下,
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skin皮肤 and some bacteria
in the air空气 above以上 them.
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皮肤和皮肤表面空气中的一些细菌。
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So what you're seeing眼看 now
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所以现在你看到的是,
05:55
is that again, far-UVC远UVC light's轻的
perfectly完美 fine at killing谋杀 bacteria,
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又一次,远—短波紫外线
完美地杀死了细菌,
06:00
but what far-UVC远UVC light can't do
is penetrate穿透 into our skin皮肤.
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但是远—短波紫外线
不能穿入我们的皮肤。
06:05
And there's a good,
solid固体 physics物理 reason原因 for that:
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而且有一个很好的、可靠的物理学原因:
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far-UVC远UVC light is incredibly令人难以置信, strongly非常
absorbed吸收 by all biological生物 materials物料,
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远—短波紫外线是如此的不可思议,
能够被所有的生物材料强烈吸收,
06:13
so it simply只是 can't go very far.
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所以它无法照射太远。
06:16
Now, viruses病毒 and bacteria
are really, really, really small,
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病毒和细菌都是非常、非常小的,
06:20
so the far-UVC远UVC light can certainly当然
penetrate穿透 them and kill them,
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所以远—短波紫外线毫无疑问
能够穿透并杀死它们,
06:25
but what it can't do
is penetrate穿透 into skin皮肤,
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但是它无法穿入皮肤,
06:28
and it can't even penetrate穿透
the dead-cell死细胞 area
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而且它甚至无法穿透死细胞区
06:31
right at the very surface表面 of our skin皮肤.
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就在我们皮肤的最表面。
06:33
So far-UVC远UVC light
should be able能够 to kill bacteria,
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所以远—短波紫外线应该能够杀死细菌,
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but kill them safely安然.
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但对于人体而言又是安全的。
06:43
So that's the theory理论.
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就是这个理论。
06:44
It should work, should be safe安全.
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它应该可以起作用,应该是安全的。
06:47
What about in practice实践?
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那么实践当中又是如何的?
06:49
Does it really work?
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它真的有效吗?
06:50
Is it really safe安全?
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真的安全吗?
06:52
So that's actually其实 what our lab实验室
has been working加工 on
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实际上这就是我们实验室
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the past过去 five or six years年份,
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过去五、六年以来一直在研究的问题,
06:57
and I'm delighted欣喜的 to say the answer回答
to both these questions问题
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并且我很高兴的告诉大家,
07:00
is an emphatic语调强的 yes.
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答案毫无疑问都是肯定的。
07:01
Yes, it does work,
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是的,它确实有用,
07:02
but yes, it is safe安全.
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而且,它是安全的。
07:04
So I'm delighted欣喜的 to say that,
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我很高兴能这么说,
07:06
but actually其实 I'm not very
surprised诧异 to say that,
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但事实上能这么说,
我并不感到惊讶,
07:08
because it's purely纯粹 the laws法律
of physics物理 at work.
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因为这单纯就是
物理学的规律在起作用。
07:13
So let's look to the future未来.
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那么让我们展望一下未来。
07:16
I'm thrilled高兴 that we now have
a completely全然 new weapon武器,
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我很激动,
现在我们有了一种全新的武器,
07:21
and I should say an inexpensive便宜 weapon武器,
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我应该这么说,一种便宜的武器,
07:25
in our fight斗争 against反对 superbugs超级细菌.
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用于我们与超级细菌的对抗。
07:28
For example,
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举例而言,
07:29
I see far-UVC远UVC lights灯火 in surgical外科 theaters剧院.
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我看到手术室里有远—短波紫外线。
07:33
I see far-UVC远UVC lights灯火
in food餐饮 preparation制备 areas.
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我看到食物准备区里
有远—短波紫外线。
07:38
And in terms条款 of preventing防止
the spread传播 of viruses病毒,
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为了预防病毒的传播,
07:40
I see far-UVC远UVC lights灯火 in schools学校,
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我看到学校里有远—短波紫外线,
07:44
preventing防止 the spread传播 of influenza流感,
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为了预防流感的传播,
07:46
preventing防止 the spread传播 of measles麻疹,
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预防麻疹的传播,
07:48
and I see far-UVC远UVC lights灯火
in airports机场 or airplanes飞机,
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我看到机场和飞机上
有远—短波紫外线,
07:52
preventing防止 the global全球 spread传播
of viruses病毒 like H1N1 virus病毒.
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用于预防像H1N1病毒
那样的病毒在全球传播。
07:58
So back to my friend朋友 Paul保罗 Rice白饭.
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再回到我朋友保罗·赖斯的故事。
08:00
He was actually其实 a well-known知名
and well-loved深受喜爱 local本地 politician政治家
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实际上,在我们的家乡利物浦,
他是一位人尽皆知
08:04
in his and my hometown家乡 of Liverpool利物浦,
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且受人爱戴的地方政治家,
08:06
and they put up a statue雕像 in his memory记忆
in the center中央 of Liverpool利物浦,
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人们在利物浦的市中心
建了一座雕塑纪念他,
08:11
and there it is.
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就是这座。
08:12
But me,
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而我,
08:14
I want Paul's保罗 legacy遗产 to be a major重大的 advance提前
in this war战争 against反对 superbugs超级细菌.
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我希望保罗留给我们的是在这场对抗
超级细菌的战争中出现一个巨大的进步。
08:20
Armed武装 with the power功率 of light,
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在我们能够掌控的范围之内,
08:22
that's actually其实 within our grasp把握.
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以紫外线为武器。
08:25
Thank you.
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谢谢。
(掌声)
08:26
(Applause掌声)
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08:31
Chris克里斯 Anderson安德森: Stay up here, David大卫,
I've got a question for you.
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克里斯·安德森:
等等,大卫,我有一个问题要问你。
08:34
(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
08:37
David大卫, tell us where you're up to
in developing发展 this,
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大卫,告诉我们你的研究进展到哪里了,
08:41
and what are the remaining其余 obstacles障碍
to trying to roll out
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为了实现这个梦想,剩下有待解决的
08:44
and realize实现 this dream梦想?
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阻碍有哪些?
08:46
David大卫 Brenner布伦纳: Well, I think we now know
that it kills杀死 all bacteria,
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大卫·布伦纳:我认为
我们现在知道了它能够杀死所有细菌,
08:49
but we sort分类 of knew知道
that before we started开始,
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在我们开始之前就有所了解,
08:51
but we certainly当然 tested测试 that.
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而且我们确实也测试过。
08:54
So we have to do lots and lots
of tests测试 about safety安全,
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所以我们需要做许多
关于它的安全性的测试,
08:56
and so it's more about safety安全
than it is about efficacy功效.
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比起它的疗效,我们更关注它的安全。
09:00
And we need to do short-term短期 tests测试,
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我们需要做短期测试,
09:03
and we need to do long-term长期 tests测试
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需要做长期测试,
09:05
to make sure you can't develop发展
melanoma黑色素瘤 many许多 years年份 on.
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确保多年以后你不会得黑色素瘤。
09:09
So those studies学习
are pretty漂亮 well doneDONE at this point.
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这些研究目前进展相当顺利。
09:13
The FDAFDA of course课程 is something
we have to deal合同 with,
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当然,我们要得到
食品药品监督管理局(FDA)的许可,
也应该这么做,
09:19
and rightly正当地 so,
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09:20
because we certainly当然 can't use this
in the real真实 world世界 without FDAFDA approval赞同.
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因为我们肯定不能在没有得到
FDA的许可之下投入使用。
09:24
CACA: Are you trying
to launch发射 first in the US,
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克里斯·安德森:你是打算在美国最先试用,
09:27
or somewhere某处 else其他?
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还是在其他地方?
09:29
DBD B: Actually其实, in a couple一对 of countries国家.
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大卫·布伦纳:
不只是美国,
09:31
In Japan日本 and in the US, both.
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会在日本和美国同时开展。
09:35
CACA: Have you been able能够 to persuade说服
biologists生物学家, doctors医生,
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克里斯·安德森:
你有说服过生物学家、医生,
09:40
that this is a safe安全 approach途径?
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告诉他们这是一种安全的方法吗?
09:42
DBD B: Well, as you can imagine想像,
there is a certain某些 skepticism怀疑论
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大卫·布伦纳:
你也知道确实存在某种怀疑,
09:45
because everybody每个人 knows知道
that UVUV light is not safe安全.
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因为人人都知道紫外线不安全。
09:49
So when somebody comes along沿 and says,
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所以当有人过来说,
09:51
"Well, this particular特定 UVUV light is safe安全,"
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“这种独特的紫外线是安全的,”
09:55
there is a barrier屏障 to be crossed越过,
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仍有障碍等待逾越,
09:56
but the data数据 are there,
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但是数据就在那里,
09:58
and I think that's what
we're going to be standing常设 on.
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数据就是我们依据。
10:02
CACA: Well, we wish希望 you well.
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克里斯·安德森:
好的,我们希望你能成功。
10:04
This is potentially可能 such这样 important重要 work.
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这是一项如此重要的工作。
10:06
Thank you so much
for sharing分享 this with us.
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非常感谢你与我们分享。
谢谢你,大卫。
10:08
Thank you, David大卫.
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(掌声)
10:09
(Applause掌声)
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Translated by Bingxian Bai
Reviewed by Yu Xie

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
David Brenner - Radiation scientist
We are decidedly losing the war against superbugs, and with a projected annual death toll by 2050 of 10 million people. David Brenner would like to stop that.

Why you should listen

David Brenner directs the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University Medical Center in New York City and has numerous distinctions within his field such as the Oxford University Weldon Prize and the Radiation Research Society Failla Gold Medal Award. Founded by a student of Marie Curie more than a century ago, the Center for Radiological Research is committed to exploiting all forms of radiation to improve medical care.

As Brenner sees it, radiation is very much a two-edged sword -- used in the right way it has revolutionized modern medicine, such as through CT scans and as a cure for many cancers. But radiation used in the wrong way can be harmful. To maximize the benefits of the many different types of radiation, we need to understand exactly how they affect us, from our DNA to the whole person.

Over the past six years, Brenner and his team have applied this idea in working towards a safe way to kill drug-resistant bacteria such as MRSA, as well as airborne microbes such as influenza and TB, using a unique type of ultra-violet light, known as far-UVC.

In short, it is pure physics -- far-UVC light is safe for us because it cannot even penetrate through the dead-cell layer on the surface of our skin or the tear layer on the surface of our eyes. But because bacteria and viruses are physically very small, far-UVC light does have enough penetration to efficiently kill them.

Brenner envisions a wide range of applications for this new weapon in the war against superbugs, such as in operating rooms during surgery to minimize the risk of surgical site infections, in schools to prevent the spread of influenza or measles, in shelters to prevent the spread of TB, or in airplanes and airports to prevent the global spread of viruses like H1N1.

More profile about the speaker
David Brenner | Speaker | TED.com

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