ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Charmian Gooch - Anti-corruption activist
Charmian Gooch is the 2014 TED Prize winner. At Global Witness, she exposes how a global architecture of corruption is woven into the extraction and exploitation of natural resources.

Why you should listen

Charmian Gooch co-founded the watchdog NGO Global Witness with colleagues Simon Taylor and Patrick Alley, in response to growing concerns over covert warfare funded by illicit trade in 1993. Since then, Global Witness has captured headlines for their exposé of "blood diamonds" in Uganda, of mineral exploitation in the Congo, of illegal timber trade between Cambodia and Thailand, and more. With unique expertise on the shadowy threads connecting corrupt businesses and governments, Global Witness continues its quest to uncover and root out the sources of exploitation.

In 2014, Gooch and Global Witness were awarded the $1 million TED Prize, along with the Skoll Award for Social Entrepreneurship, for their campaign to end anonymous companies. Gooch's TED Prize wish: for us to know who ultimately owns and controls companies and launch a new era of openness in business. Global Witness highlighted the importance of this issue in an investigation, aired on 60 Minutes, where they sent an undercover investigator into 13 New York law firms. The investigator posed as an adviser to a government minister in Africa and asked for thoughts on how to move money into the United States for a plane, a yacht and a brownstone. All but one firm offered advice. 

The Panama Papers, released in April of 2016, further demonstrate the need for transparency. The papers paint a picture of how the rich and powerful around the world use offshore accounts and anonymous companies to move money. "This secretive world is being opened up to global public scrutiny," said Gooch, on the day the papers were released.

 

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Charmian Gooch: Meet global corruption's hidden players

Charmian Gooch: 認識世界級貪腐的幕後黑手

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當一個來自極端貧困國家的總統之子,他的官方月薪只有美金 7,000元,但卻開始購置豪宅跟高級跑車時,Charmian Gooch 告訴大家,貪腐可能就在其中。在這令人眼界大開的演說中 (經由數個實際案例),她仔細的講述全球貪腐追查者是如何順著金流去追蹤到一些令你驚訝的熟悉臉孔。
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Charmian Gooch is the 2014 TED Prize winner. At Global Witness, she exposes how a global architecture of corruption is woven into the extraction and exploitation of natural resources. Full bio

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When we talk about corruption腐敗,
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當我們談到貪腐
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there are typical典型 types類型 of individuals個人 that spring彈簧 to mind心神.
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有幾種典型的人物會出現在我們腦海
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There's the former前任的 Soviet蘇聯 megalomaniacs自大狂.
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例如前蘇聯狂人
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Saparmurat尼亞佐夫 Niyazov尼亞佐夫, he was one of them.
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薩帕爾穆拉特•尼亞佐夫(Saparmurat Niyazov)
就是其中之一
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Until直到 his death死亡 in 2006,
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直到 2006 年過世前
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he was the all-powerful萬能 leader領導 of Turkmenistan土庫曼斯坦,
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他是土庫曼最有權力的領導人
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a Central中央 Asian亞洲 country國家 rich豐富 in natural自然 gas加油站.
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土庫曼位於中亞,這個國家富含天然氣
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Now, he really loved喜愛 to issue問題 presidential總統 decrees法令.
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他很愛發佈總統詔令
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And one renamed改名 the months個月 of the year
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其中之一是把月份名稱改掉
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including包含 after himself他自己 and his mother母親.
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甚至以他自己和他母親的名字取代
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He spent花費 millions百萬 of dollars美元
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他花了數百萬元
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creating創建 a bizarre奇異的 personality個性 cult禮拜,
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建立了奇異的個人崇拜
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and his crowning加冕 glory榮耀 was the building建造
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而他引以為豪的是給自己塑了
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of a 40-foot-high-foot高 gold-plated鍍金 statue雕像 of himself他自己
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一座四十呎高的鍍金雕像
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which哪一個 stood站在 proudly傲然 in the capital's首都 central中央 square廣場
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這雕像傲氣地聳立在首都的中央廣場上
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and rotated旋轉 to follow跟隨 the sun太陽.
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並隨著太陽而轉動
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He was a slightly unusual異常 guy.
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這傢伙有點異常
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And then there's that clich老生常談é,
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而現在要提到的算是老生常談
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the African非洲人 dictator獨裁者 or minister部長 or official官方.
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可以稱他為非洲的獨裁者、部長或是官員
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There's Teodor特奧多爾ín Obiang奧比昂.
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特奧多羅•奧比昂 (Teodorín Obiang)
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So his daddy is president主席 for life of Equatorial赤道 Guinea幾內亞,
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他的父親當了一輩子的赤道幾內亞總統
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a West西 African非洲人 nation國家 that has exported出口
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這個西非國家從 1990 年代起
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billions數十億 of dollars美元 of oil since以來 the 1990s
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出口了價值數十億元的原油
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and yet然而 has a truly appalling駭人聽聞的 human人的 rights權利 record記錄.
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但卻存在著驚世駭俗的迫害人權的記錄
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The vast廣大 majority多數 of its people
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這國家裡絕大多數的人民
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are living活的 in really miserable poverty貧窮
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都活在極度悲慘的貧困之中
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despite儘管 an income收入 per capita人頭 that's on a par平價
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但國家的人均收入
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with that of Portugal葡萄牙.
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卻和葡萄牙差不多
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So Obiang奧比昂 junior初級, well, he buys購買 himself他自己
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這位奧比昂二世
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a $30 million百萬 mansion大廈 in Malibu馬里布, California加州.
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在加州馬利布給自己
買了棟三千萬美金的豪宅
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I've been up to its front面前 gates.
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我曾經站在那豪宅前門
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I can tell you it's a magnificent華麗的 spread傳播.
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可說觸目所及極盡豪奢
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He bought an €18 million百萬 art藝術 collection採集
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他買了價值一千八百萬歐元的藝術收藏
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that used to belong屬於 to fashion時尚 designer設計師 Yves伊夫 Saint Laurent洛朗,
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這些收藏以前是屬於
時尚設計師伊夫•聖羅蘭 (YSL)
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a stack of fabulous極好 sports體育 cars汽車,
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還有各式各樣的高級跑車
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some costing成本核算 a million百萬 dollars美元 apiece一塊 --
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有些要價一百萬美金一台
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oh, and a Gulfstream灣流 jet噴射, too.
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喔,當然他也有一架灣流噴射機
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Now get this:
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但你要知道
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Until直到 recently最近, he was earning盈利 an official官方 monthly每月一次 salary薪水
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直到現在,他的官方月薪
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of less than 7,000 dollars美元.
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還不到 7,000 美金
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And there's Dan EteteEtete.
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再來我們談到丹•埃泰特(Dan Etete)
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Well, he was the former前任的 oil minister部長 of Nigeria尼日利亞
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他是奈及利亞前石油部長
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under President主席 Abacha阿巴查,
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隸屬於總統阿巴察 (Abacha)
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and it just so happens發生 he's a convicted被定罪 money launderer洗錢 too.
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他同樣被認定是洗黑錢的人物
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We've我們已經 spent花費 a great deal合同 of time
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我們已經花了很多的時間
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investigating調查 a $1 billion十億 --
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針對十億美元進行追查
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that's right, a $1 billion十億
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沒錯,是十億美元
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oil deal合同 that he was involved參與 with,
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這是在石油交易中他所牽涉的金額
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and what we found發現 was pretty漂亮 shocking觸目驚心,
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而調查結果讓我們非常震驚
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but more about that later後來.
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這我們晚點再來談
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So it's easy簡單 to think that corruption腐敗 happens發生
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所以我們可以輕易的推論
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somewhere某處 over there,
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貪腐在遙遠的那邊發生著
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carried攜帶的 out by a bunch of greedy貪婪 despots暴君
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被一些貪婪的獨裁者
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and individuals個人 up to no good in countries國家
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以及對國家沒有益處的個人所把持
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that we, personally親自, may可能 know very little about
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於此,對我們個人而言,似乎是少有所知
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and feel really unconnected懸空 to
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且覺得沒什麼關聯
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and unaffected未受影響 by what might威力 be going on.
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好像對我們的生活也沒什麼影響
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But does it just happen發生 over there?
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但這些事情真的只會發生在別的地方嗎?
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Well, at 22, I was very lucky幸運.
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在我 22 歲時,我很幸運
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My first job工作 out of university大學
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我畢業後的第一份工作
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was investigating調查 the illegal非法 trade貿易 in African非洲人 ivory象牙.
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就是調查非洲象牙的非法交易
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And that's how my relationship關係 with corruption腐敗 really began開始.
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那正是我和貪腐產生關聯的開始
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In 1993, with two friends朋友 who were colleagues同事,
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1993 年,我和兩個朋友,也是同事
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Simon西蒙 Taylor泰勒 and Patrick帕特里克 Alley胡同,
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Simon Taylor 和 Patrick Alley
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we set up an organization組織 called Global全球 Witness見證.
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我們成立了一個名為"全球見證"
(Global Witness) 的組織
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Our first campaign運動 was investigating調查 the role角色
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我們的第一個行動就是調查非法伐木
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of illegal非法 logging記錄 in funding資金 the war戰爭 in Cambodia柬埔寨.
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在柬埔寨戰爭資金裡所扮演的角色
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So a few少數 years年份 later後來, and it's now 1997,
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過了幾年, 1997 年
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and I'm in Angola安哥拉 undercover秘密 investigating調查 blood血液 diamonds鑽石.
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我在安哥拉秘密調查血鑽石的議題
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Perhaps也許 you saw the film電影,
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也許你看過這部好萊塢電影
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the Hollywood好萊塢 film電影 "Blood血液 Diamond鑽石,"
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"血鑽石" (Blood Diamond)
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the one with Leonardo萊昂納多 DiCaprio迪卡普里奧.
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李奧納多·狄卡皮歐 主演的
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Well, some of that sprang竄出 from our work.
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部分劇情是根據我們的調查而來
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Luanda羅安達, it was full充分 of land土地 mine victims受害者
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在盧安達,到處都是地雷的受害者
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who were struggling奮鬥的 to survive生存 on the streets街道
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他們在街上掙扎著求生存
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and war戰爭 orphans孤兒 living活的 in sewers下水道 under the streets街道,
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戰爭孤兒在街邊的陰溝裡生活
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and a tiny, very wealthy富裕 elite原種
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而人數極少的闊綽菁英
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who gossiped閒話 about shopping購物 trips旅行 to Brazil巴西 and Portugal葡萄牙.
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談論的盡是去巴西和葡萄牙的血拼之旅
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And it was a slightly crazy place地點.
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那真是個有點瘋狂的地方
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So I'm sitting坐在 in a hot and very stuffy hotel旅館 room房間
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當我坐在相當悶熱的旅館房間時
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feeling感覺 just totally完全 overwhelmed不堪重負.
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覺得自己快撐不下去了
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But it wasn't about blood血液 diamonds鑽石.
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但不是因為血鑽石的緣故
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Because I'd been speaking請講 to lots of people there
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是因為我對許多當地人進行演說
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who, well, they talked about a different不同 problem問題:
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而他們談到了另一個不同的問題是:
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that of a massive大規模的 web捲筒紙 of corruption腐敗 on a global全球 scale規模
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在這種全球層級的大規模貪腐網絡中
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and millions百萬 of oil dollars美元 going missing失踪.
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與石油相關的數百萬美金可以消失
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And for what was then a very small organization組織
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而像我們這麼小的組織
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of just a few少數 people,
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不過才幾個成員
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trying to even begin開始 to think how we might威力 tackle滑車 that
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卻想要試著逮到那些人
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was an enormous巨大 challenge挑戰.
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無異是個巨大的挑戰
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And in the years年份 that I've been,
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而在這些年裡
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and we've我們已經 all been campaigning競選 and investigating調查,
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從我們所有的行動和追查中
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I've repeatedly反复 seen看到 that what makes品牌 corruption腐敗
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我不斷的看到,是什麼
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on a global全球, massive大規模的 scale規模 possible可能,
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讓貪腐得以在全球級的規模中發生
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well it isn't just greed貪心 or the misuse濫用 of power功率
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要知道這不僅僅是貪婪或是濫用權力
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or that nebulous星雲 phrase短語 "weak governance治理."
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或用含混不清的 "無能治理" 可以解釋
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I mean, yes, it's all of those,
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我的意思是,沒錯,這些全都是原因
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but corruption腐敗, it's made製作 possible可能 by the actions行動
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但貪腐能發生
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of global全球 facilitators主持人.
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是因為全球級主事者的行為
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So let's go back to some of those people I talked about earlier.
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所以回到之前我提過的那些人
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Now, they're all people we've我們已經 investigated調查,
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他們都是我們調查過的人
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and they're all people who couldn't不能 do what they do alone單獨.
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他們都不可能只靠自己就做出那些事情來
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Take Obiang奧比昂 junior初級. Well, he didn't end結束 up
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就以奧比昂二世來說
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with high-end高端 art藝術 and luxury豪華 houses房屋 without help.
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如果沒人幫忙,他不可能
擁有那些高級藝術品和豪宅
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He did business商業 with global全球 banks銀行.
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他和世界級的銀行打交道
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A bank銀行 in Paris巴黎 held保持 accounts賬戶 of companies公司 controlled受控 by him,
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他在巴黎一家銀行
為自己掌控的公司開設帳戶
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one of which哪一個 was used to buy購買 the art藝術,
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其中一個帳戶就是用來買藝術品
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and American美國 banks銀行, well, they funneled漏斗狀的
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而美國的銀行
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73 million百萬 dollars美元 into the States狀態,
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則讓七千三百萬美金流入美國
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some of which哪一個 was used to buy購買 that California加州 mansion大廈.
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這筆資金一部分去買了加州的豪宅
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And he didn't do all of this in his own擁有 name名稱 either.
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當然他也沒用自己的名義去做這些事
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He used shell貝殼 companies公司.
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他利用一些空殼公司
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He used one to buy購買 the property屬性, and another另一個,
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其中一家空殼公司買不動產
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which哪一個 was in somebody else's別人的 name名稱,
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而另一個也是在別人名下的空殼公司
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to pay工資 the huge巨大 bills票據 it cost成本 to run the place地點.
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則支付維持這個物業的龐大費用
05:36
And then there's Dan EteteEtete.
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Well, when he was oil minister部長,
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當他是石油部長的時候
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he awarded頒發 an oil block now worth價值 over a billion十億 dollars美元
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把一處價值超過十億美金
的油區贈與一間公司
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to a company公司 that, guess猜測 what, yeah,
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你可以猜猜是怎麼回事
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he was the hidden owner所有者 of.
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他自己就是那公司的幕後老闆
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Now, it was then much later後來 traded交易 on
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現在要講到的是最近的交易
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with the kind assistance幫助 of the Nigerian尼日利亞 government政府 --
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在奈及利亞政府大方的幫忙下
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now I have to be careful小心 what I say here —
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我對於現在要說出的話得要非常小心
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to subsidiaries子公司 of Shell貝殼 and the Italian意大利 Eni埃尼,
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和 Shell 和 義大利 Eni 的子公司合作
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two of the biggest最大 oil companies公司 around.
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這是兩家最大的石油公司
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So the reality現實 is, is that the engine發動機 of corruption腐敗,
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所以事實上,這是否才是貪腐的動力
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well, it exists存在 far beyond the shores海岸 of countries國家
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這問題不光發生在那些海外國家
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like Equatorial赤道 Guinea幾內亞 or Nigeria尼日利亞 or Turkmenistan土庫曼斯坦.
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例如:赤道幾內亞、奈及利亞或土庫曼
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This engine發動機, well, it's driven驅動
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驅動的動力
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by our international國際 banking銀行業 system系統,
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來自國際銀行組織
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by the problem問題 of anonymous匿名 shell貝殼 companies公司,
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來自這些匿名的空殼公司
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and by the secrecy保密 that we have afforded提供
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也來自我們賦予這些大型的石油
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big oil, gas加油站 and mining礦業 operations操作,
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天然氣和礦產開採行動隱匿的權利
06:27
and, most of all, by the failure失敗 of our politicians政治家
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而最重要的,是來自政客的失職
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to back up their rhetoric修辭 and do something
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無能實現他們的花言巧語
06:32
really meaningful富有意義的 and systemic系統的 to tackle滑車 this stuff東東.
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做些真正有意義的事
且有系統的抓出這些爛帳
06:37
Now let's take the banks銀行 first.
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現在我們先談銀行問題
06:39
Well, it's not going to come as any surprise
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當我告訴你們銀行收黑錢時
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for me to tell you that banks銀行 accept接受 dirty money,
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我想你們不會覺得驚訝
06:46
but they prioritize優先 their profits利潤 in other destructive有害 ways方法 too.
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但他們的獲利卻也造成破壞
06:51
For example, in Sarawak砂拉越, Malaysia馬來西亞.
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以馬來西亞的砂勞越為例
06:54
Now this region地區, it has just five percent百分
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現在這個區域只剩下 5% 的森林未經開發
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of its forests森林 left intact完整. Five percent百分.
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只剩下 5% 而已
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So how did that happen發生?
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這是怎麼一回事?
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Well, because an elite原種 and its facilitators主持人
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就因為一個所謂菁英和主事者們
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have been making製造 millions百萬 of dollars美元
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多年來
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from supporting支持 logging記錄 on an industrial產業 scale規模
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藉由支援企業規模的大量伐木
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for many許多 years年份.
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賺進了數百萬美元
07:15
So we sent發送 an undercover秘密 investigator研究者 in
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所以我們派出一個秘密調查員
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to secretly偷偷 film電影 meetings會議 with members會員 of the ruling裁決 elite原種,
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錄下管理階層的的會議過程
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and the resulting造成 footage鏡頭, well, it made製作 some people very angry憤怒,
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這段影片讓某些人非常生氣
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and you can see that on YouTubeYouTube的,
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你可以在 YouTube 上找到這影片
07:27
but it proved證實 what we had long suspected嫌疑,
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但這證實了我們長久以來的懷疑
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because it showed顯示 how the state's狀態 chief首席 minister部長,
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因為影片中顯示出這個州長
07:32
despite儘管 his later後來 denials否認,
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儘管他後來否認了
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used his control控制 over land土地 and forest森林 licenses許可證
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他利用掌控土地和森林許可證的職權
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to enrich豐富 himself他自己 and his family家庭.
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讓他自己和家族獲利
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And HSBC匯豐銀行, well, we know that HSBC匯豐銀行 bankrolled提供資金
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同時還有匯豐銀行 (HSBC)
07:45
the region's地區 largest最大 logging記錄 companies公司
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就我們所知,匯豐資助
當地幾家最大的伐木公司
07:47
that were responsible主管 for some of that destruction毀壞
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對於這些發生在砂勞越
和其他地方的破壞行為
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in Sarawak砂拉越 and elsewhere別處.
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他們也要負一部分責任
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The bank銀行 violated違反 its own擁有 sustainability可持續性 policies政策 in the process處理,
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匯豐在這過程中違反了他們永續經營的方針
07:56
but it earned around 130 million百萬 dollars美元.
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但從中賺了大約一億三千萬美金
08:00
Now shortly不久 after our expos博覽會é,
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當我們揭露這個事實之後不久
08:02
very shortly不久 after our expos博覽會é earlier this year,
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在今年稍早前揭露之後不久
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the bank銀行 announced公佈 a policy政策 review評論 on this.
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匯豐宣布要以公司政策標準重審相關事宜
08:08
And is this progress進展? Maybe,
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這算是進步嗎? 也許是
08:10
but we're going to be keeping保持 a very close eye
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但我們還是會持續的關注
08:13
on that case案件.
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這個議題
08:15
And then there's the problem問題 of anonymous匿名 shell貝殼 companies公司.
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再來是匿名空殼公司的問題
08:18
Well, we've我們已經 all heard聽說 about what they are, I think,
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我想我們都聽過這樣的公司
08:21
and we all know they're used quite相當 a bit
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也知道有些人、有些公司
08:24
by people and companies公司 who are trying to avoid避免
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經常利用空殼公司
08:26
paying付款 their proper正確 dues to society社會,
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來規避他們對社會應盡的責任
08:29
also known已知 as taxes.
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也就是納稅
08:31
But what doesn't usually平時 come to light
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但我們通常不知道的
08:34
is how shell貝殼 companies公司 are used to steal
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空殼公司可以用來竊取數字龐大的金錢
08:39
huge巨大 sums總和 of money, transformational轉型 sums總和 of money,
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把大筆大筆的金錢
08:42
from poor較差的 countries國家.
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從貧困的國家中洗白轉出
08:44
In virtually實質上 every一切 case案件 of corruption腐敗 that we've我們已經 investigated調查,
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在每個我們追查的貪腐事件中
08:48
shell貝殼 companies公司 have appeared出現,
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都出現了空殼公司
08:50
and sometimes有時 it's been impossible不可能 to find out
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有時真的無法查出
08:52
who is really involved參與 in the deal合同.
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到底有哪些人牽涉其中
08:56
A recent最近 study研究 by the World世界 Bank銀行
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最近世界銀行有份研究中指出
08:58
looked看著 at 200 cases of corruption腐敗.
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檢視 200 件貪腐案件後
09:01
It found發現 that over 70 percent百分 of those cases
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發現其中有 70% 的案例
09:04
had used anonymous匿名 shell貝殼 companies公司,
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就是使用匿名的空殼公司
09:07
totaling共計 almost幾乎 56 billion十億 dollars美元.
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牽涉的金額幾乎高達五百六十億美金
09:11
Now many許多 of these companies公司 were in America美國
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現在有許多空殼公司設在美國
09:13
or the United聯合的 Kingdom王國,
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或者是英國
09:14
its overseas海外 territories領土 and Crown王冠 dependencies依賴,
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在境外領土或是英國皇家屬地
09:17
and so it's not just an offshore海上 problem問題,
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所以這不是與我們無關的境外問題
09:19
it's an on-shore岸上 one too.
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這已經發生在我們境內
09:21
You see, shell貝殼 companies公司, they're central中央
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要知道,這些空殼公司是秘密交易的核心
09:23
to the secret秘密 deals交易 which哪一個 may可能 benefit效益 wealthy富裕 elites精英
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也許少數富有的菁英份子
可以從中得到好處
09:26
rather than ordinary普通 citizens公民.
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但一般平民是無從獲益的
09:29
One striking引人注目 recent最近 case案件 that we've我們已經 investigated調查
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最近我們調查了一個引人注目的案件
09:33
is how the government政府 in the Democratic民主的 Republic共和國 of Congo剛果
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調查目標是剛果政府
09:36
sold出售 off a series系列 of valuable有價值, state-owned國有 mining礦業 assets資產
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如何把一系列極有價值的公家礦區賣出
09:40
to shell貝殼 companies公司 in the British英國的 Virgin處女 Islands島嶼.
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賣給一間在英屬維京群島註冊的空殼公司
09:43
So we spoke to sources來源 in country國家,
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於是我們找了剛果的線人
09:46
trawled搜羅 through通過 company公司 documents文件 and other information信息
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搜查了所有公司文件和其他資訊
09:49
trying to piece together一起 a really true真正 picture圖片 of the deal合同.
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試著拼湊出這個交易的真實面貌
09:53
And we were alarmed驚慌 to find that these shell貝殼 companies公司
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而後我們警覺到
09:56
had quickly很快 flipped翻轉 many許多 of the assets資產 on
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這些空殼公司將資產快速地轉賣給
09:58
for huge巨大 profits利潤 to major重大的 international國際 mining礦業 companies公司
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設立於倫敦的大型國際採礦公司
10:02
listed上市 in London倫敦.
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賺進了高額的利潤
10:05
Now, the Africa非洲 Progress進展 Panel面板, led by Kofi科菲 Annan安南,
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科菲•安南(Kofi Annan) 領導的非洲發展小組
(Africa Progress Panel)
10:08
they've他們已經 calculated計算 that Congo剛果 may可能 have lost丟失
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已經估算出剛果在這些交易中的損失
10:11
more than 1.3 billion十億 dollars美元 from these deals交易.
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已經高於十三億美金
10:16
That's almost幾乎 twice兩次
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這金額
10:18
the country's annual全年 health健康 and education教育 budget預算 combined結合.
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幾乎是剛果整年度健康和教育預算總合的兩倍
10:24
And will the people of Congo剛果, will they ever get their money back?
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而剛果人民有可能拿回他們的錢嗎?
10:26
Well, the answer回答 to that question,
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這問題的答案
10:28
and who was really involved參與 and what really happened發生,
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和誰真正牽涉其中、以及事件的真相
10:30
well that's going to probably大概 remain locked鎖定 away
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都可能永不見天日
10:33
in the secretive隱秘 company公司 registries登記 of the British英國的 Virgin處女 Islands島嶼
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如果我們不針對這些註冊在英屬維京群島
10:36
and elsewhere別處 unless除非 we all do something about it.
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或其他地方的空殼公司採取行動的話
10:41
And how about the oil, gas加油站 and mining礦業 companies公司?
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至於那些石油、天然氣和礦產公司呢?
10:43
Okay, maybe it's a bit of a clich老生常談é to talk about them.
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好吧,這是有點老生常談
10:46
Corruption腐敗 in that sector扇形, no surprise.
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在這些產業發生貪腐並不意外
10:48
There's corruption腐敗 everywhere到處, so why focus焦點 on that sector扇形?
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到處都有貪腐,為什麼要特別關注這些產業?
10:53
Well, because there's a lot at stake賭注.
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這是因為其中牽涉的利益太大
10:55
In 2011, natural自然 resource資源 exports出口
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2011 年,在非洲、亞洲和拉丁美洲
10:59
outweighed抵銷 aid援助 flows流動 by almost幾乎 19 to one
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天然資源的輸出和援助資金的比例相差甚鉅
11:03
in Africa非洲, Asia亞洲 and Latin拉丁 America美國. Nineteen十九 to one.
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大約是 19:1
11:07
Now that's a hell地獄 of a lot of schools學校 and universities高校
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這意味許多的學校、大學
11:11
and hospitals醫院 and business商業 startups初創公司,
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醫院和企業創業的營運
11:13
many許多 of which哪一個 haven't沒有 materialized物化 and never will
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都無法實現,也可能永遠沒有機會實現
11:15
because some of that money has simply只是 been stolen被盜 away.
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因為相關經費已經被竊取
11:19
Now let's go back to the oil and mining礦業 companies公司,
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現在回來談石油和採礦公司
11:22
and let's go back to Dan EteteEtete and that $1 billion十億 deal合同.
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回到 丹•埃泰特 和他十億美金的交易
11:25
And now forgive原諒 me, I'm going to read the next下一個 bit
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現在請原諒我將要照著小抄唸
11:28
because it's a very live生活 issue問題, and our lawyers律師
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因為這是非常即時的現場演說
11:30
have been through通過 this in some detail詳情
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我們的律師查閱過一些相關條文
11:32
and they want me to get it right.
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所以他們希望我不要有任何口誤
11:36
Now, on the surface表面, the deal合同 appeared出現 straightforward直截了當.
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現在,表面上這些交易看來都很單純
11:40
Subsidiaries子公司 of Shell貝殼 and Eni埃尼
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Shell 和 Eni 的子公司
11:42
paid支付 the Nigerian尼日利亞 government政府 for the block.
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付錢向奈及利亞政府買那個區塊
11:45
The Nigerian尼日利亞 government政府 transferred轉入
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奈及利亞政府把收到的每一分錢
11:47
precisely恰恰 the same相同 amount, to the very dollar美元,
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完全一樣的數字,都轉出去
11:50
to an account帳戶 earmarked專項 for a shell貝殼 company公司
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轉給一個指定給空殼公司的帳號
11:55
whose誰的 hidden owner所有者 was EteteEtete.
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空殼公司背後的老闆是 Etete
11:57
Now, that's not bad going for a convicted被定罪 money launderer洗錢.
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這個被定罪的洗錢犯還真是賺翻了
12:00
And here's這裡的 the thing.
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但現在的問題是
12:02
After many許多 months個月 of digging挖掘 around
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經過這幾個月的探查詢訪
12:03
and reading through通過 hundreds數以百計 of pages網頁 of court法庭 documents文件,
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以及研究數百頁法庭文件後
12:07
we found發現 evidence證據 that, in fact事實,
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我們找到了證據
12:09
Shell貝殼 and Eni埃尼 had known已知 that the funds資金
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發現 Shell 和 Eni 知道
12:12
would be transferred轉入 to that shell貝殼 company公司,
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這些金錢會被轉到空殼公司
12:15
and frankly坦率地說, it's hard to believe they didn't know
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而且坦白說,很難相信他們不知道
12:19
who they were really dealing交易 with there.
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到底是跟什麼樣的人達成這筆交易
12:22
Now, it just shouldn't不能 take these sorts排序 of efforts努力
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而現在不應該花這些功夫
12:26
to find out where the money in deals交易 like this went.
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去追查這些錢跑到哪去
12:28
I mean, these are state assets資產.
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我認為
12:30
They're supposed應該 to be used for the benefit效益
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這些都是國家的資產
12:31
of the people in the country國家.
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本來應該用來讓人民受益
12:33
But in some countries國家, citizens公民 and journalists記者
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但在一些國家裡
12:36
who are trying to expose暴露 stories故事 like this
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公民和記者如果想要揭露這些事
12:38
have been harassed騷擾 and arrested被捕
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通常不是遭到恐嚇就是遭到逮捕
12:40
and some have even risked冒險 their lives生活 to do so.
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甚至要以生命為賭注去揭發
12:44
And finally最後, well, there are those who believe
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而最終,有些人深信
12:48
that corruption腐敗 is unavoidable不免.
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貪腐是無可避免
12:50
It's just how some business商業 is doneDONE.
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他們認為這就是做生意的方式
12:52
It's too complex複雜 and difficult to change更改.
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太複雜也太難去改變
12:55
So in effect影響, what? We just accept接受 it.
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所以怎麼辦呢? 我們就只能接受
12:58
But as a campaigner活動家 and investigator研究者,
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但身為一個活動者和調查員
13:00
I have a different不同 view視圖,
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我有著不同的觀點
13:01
because I've seen看到 what can happen發生
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因為我曾見證過
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when an idea理念 gains收益 momentum動量.
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當一個理念凝聚了氣勢之後發生的事
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In the oil and mining礦業 sector扇形, for example,
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以石油和開礦的產業區塊為例
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there is now the beginning開始
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現在正開始進行
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of a truly worldwide全世界 transparency透明度 standard標準
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全球性透明化的法規
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that could tackle滑車 some of these problems問題.
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這種法規可以抓出一些弊端
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In 1999, when Global全球 Witness見證 called
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在 1999 年
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for oil companies公司 to make payments支付 on deals交易 transparent透明,
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"全球見證" 要求石油公司支付交易透明的費用時
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well, some people laughed笑了 at the extreme極端 naivetnaiveté
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有些人嘲笑我們
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of that small idea理念.
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認為這是一個極為天真的小念頭
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But literally按照字面 hundreds數以百計 of civil國內 society社會 groups
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但之後
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from around the world世界 came來了 together一起
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世界各地數以百計的公民團體加入
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to fight鬥爭 for transparency透明度,
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一起聲援交易透明化
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and now it's fast快速 becoming變得 the norm規範 and the law.
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如今這已經變成規範與法律了
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Two thirds三分之二 of the value
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現在全世界有三分之二的
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of the world's世界 oil and mining礦業 companies公司
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石油和礦產公司受到交易透明法的規範
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are now covered覆蓋 by transparency透明度 laws法律. Two thirds三分之二.
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三分之二
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So this is change更改 happening事件.
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改變正在產生
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This is progress進展.
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這是個進展
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But we're not there yet然而, by far.
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但距離我們的目標還很遠
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Because it really isn't about corruption腐敗
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因為這真的不是遠在他方的貪腐
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somewhere某處 over there, is it?
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不是嗎?
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In a globalized全球化 world世界, corruption腐敗
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在全球化的世界裡
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is a truly globalized全球化 business商業,
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貪腐是全球化的商業行為
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and one that needs需求 global全球 solutions解決方案,
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也需要以全球角度去解決
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supported支持的 and pushed by us all, as global全球 citizens公民,
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需要我們全體的支援和推動
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right here.
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這是我們身為全球公民的責任
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Thank you.
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謝謝你們
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(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
Translated by Charlene Tsai
Reviewed by Nan-Kun Wu

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Charmian Gooch - Anti-corruption activist
Charmian Gooch is the 2014 TED Prize winner. At Global Witness, she exposes how a global architecture of corruption is woven into the extraction and exploitation of natural resources.

Why you should listen

Charmian Gooch co-founded the watchdog NGO Global Witness with colleagues Simon Taylor and Patrick Alley, in response to growing concerns over covert warfare funded by illicit trade in 1993. Since then, Global Witness has captured headlines for their exposé of "blood diamonds" in Uganda, of mineral exploitation in the Congo, of illegal timber trade between Cambodia and Thailand, and more. With unique expertise on the shadowy threads connecting corrupt businesses and governments, Global Witness continues its quest to uncover and root out the sources of exploitation.

In 2014, Gooch and Global Witness were awarded the $1 million TED Prize, along with the Skoll Award for Social Entrepreneurship, for their campaign to end anonymous companies. Gooch's TED Prize wish: for us to know who ultimately owns and controls companies and launch a new era of openness in business. Global Witness highlighted the importance of this issue in an investigation, aired on 60 Minutes, where they sent an undercover investigator into 13 New York law firms. The investigator posed as an adviser to a government minister in Africa and asked for thoughts on how to move money into the United States for a plane, a yacht and a brownstone. All but one firm offered advice. 

The Panama Papers, released in April of 2016, further demonstrate the need for transparency. The papers paint a picture of how the rich and powerful around the world use offshore accounts and anonymous companies to move money. "This secretive world is being opened up to global public scrutiny," said Gooch, on the day the papers were released.

 

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