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Jochen Wegner: What happened when we paired up thousands of strangers to talk politics
Jochen Wegner: Apa jadinya ketika kami memasangkan ribuan orang untuk berbicara politik
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Di musim semi 2019, lebih dari 17.000 warga Eropa dari 33 negara mendaftarkan diri untuk berdebat politik dengan orang asing. Mereka adalah bagian dari "Europe Talks," sebuah proyek yang mengorganisir percakapan satu lawan satu antara mereka yang berbeda pendapat -- mirip seperti Tinder versi politik. Editor Jochen Wegner berbagi hal-hal tak terduga yang terjadi ketika orang-orang bertemu untuk berbicara -- dan menunjukkan bagaimana diskusi tatap muka bisa membuat dunia yang terbagi untuk berpikir kembali.
Jochen Wegner - Journalist
Jochen Wegner edits Zeit Online, the website of German weekly "Die Zeit," which prizes deep dives into cultural issues. Full bio
Jochen Wegner edits Zeit Online, the website of German weekly "Die Zeit," which prizes deep dives into cultural issues. Full bio
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00:12
Now, this is Joanna.
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Ini Joanna.
00:14
Joanna works at a university in Poland.
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Joanna bekerja di sebuah universitas
di Polandia.
di Polandia.
00:18
And one Saturday morning at 3am,
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Pada hari Sabtu pukul 3 dini hari,
00:20
she got up, packed her rucksack
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dia bangun, mengemas ranselnya
00:23
and traveled more than
a thousand kilometers,
a thousand kilometers,
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dan menempuh jarak lebih dari
seribu kilometer,
seribu kilometer,
00:26
only to have a political argument
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hanya untuk berdebat politik
00:28
with a stranger.
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dengan orang yang tak dikenalnya.
00:31
His name is Christof,
and he's a customer manager from Germany.
and he's a customer manager from Germany.
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Namanya Christof, seorang manajer
pelanggan dari Jerman.
pelanggan dari Jerman.
Keduanya belum pernah bertemu.
00:35
And the two had never met before.
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Mereka hanya tahu kalau mereka
berselisih paham tentang politik Eropa,
berselisih paham tentang politik Eropa,
00:36
They only knew that they were
totally at odds over European politics,
totally at odds over European politics,
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00:41
over migration, or the relationship
to Russia or whatever.
to Russia or whatever.
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tentang migrasi, atau hubungan dengan
Rusia dan sebagainya.
Rusia dan sebagainya.
00:45
And they were arguing for almost one day.
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Mereka berdebat hampir sehari penuh.
00:49
And after that, Joanna sent me
a somewhat irritating email.
a somewhat irritating email.
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Setelah itu, Joanna mengirim email
yang cukup menjengkelkan.
yang cukup menjengkelkan.
00:56
"That was really cool, and I enjoyed
every single minute of it!"
every single minute of it!"
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"Tadi itu keren sekali, aku menikmati
setiap menitnya!"
setiap menitnya!"
01:00
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
01:01
So these are Tom from the UK
and Nils from Germany.
and Nils from Germany.
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Ini adalah Tom dari Inggris
dan Nils dari Jerman.
dan Nils dari Jerman.
01:06
They also were strangers,
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Mereka juga tidak saling mengenal,
01:08
and they are both supporters
of their local football team,
of their local football team,
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Keduanya adalah suporter tim
sepak bola masing-masing daerah,
sepak bola masing-masing daerah,
01:11
as you may imagine, Borussia Dortmund
and Tottenham Hotspurs.
and Tottenham Hotspurs.
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Borussia Dortmund dan Tottenham Hotspurs,
seperti bayangan Anda.
seperti bayangan Anda.
01:16
And so they met on the very spot
where football roots were invented,
where football roots were invented,
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Mereka bertemu di tempat di mana
akar sepak bola diciptakan,
akar sepak bola diciptakan,
01:19
on some field in Cambridge.
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di satu lapangan di Cambridge.
01:22
And they didn't argue about football,
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Mereka tidak berdebat tentang sepak bola,
01:24
but about Brexit.
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tapi tentang Brexit.
01:26
And after talking for many hours
about this contentious topic,
about this contentious topic,
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Setelah berbicara berjam-jam tentang
topik kontroversial ini,
topik kontroversial ini,
01:31
they also sent a rather unexpected email.
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mereka juga mengirim email yang
agak tak terduga.
agak tak terduga.
01:35
"It was delightful, and we both
enjoyed it very much."
enjoyed it very much."
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"Tadi itu menyenangkan, kami
sangat menikmatinya."
sangat menikmatinya."
01:39
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
01:41
So in spring 2019,
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Di musim semi 2019,
01:46
more than 17,000 Europeans
from 33 countries
from 33 countries
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lebih dari 17.000 warga Eropa
dari 33 negara
dari 33 negara
01:52
signed up to have a political argument.
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mendaftarkan diri untuk berdebat politik.
01:55
Thousands crossed their borders to meet
a stranger with a different opinion,
a stranger with a different opinion,
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Ribuan menyeberangi perbatasan
untuk bertemu orang tak dikenal
untuk bertemu orang tak dikenal
dengan opini berbeda,
02:00
and they were all part of a project
called "Europe Talks."
called "Europe Talks."
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mereka adalah bagian dari proyek bernama
"Europe Talks."
"Europe Talks."
02:05
Now, talking about politics
amongst people with different opinions
amongst people with different opinions
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Berbicara politik antara orang-orang yang
berbeda opini
berbeda opini
02:09
has become really difficult,
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telah menjadi sangat sulit,
02:12
not only in Europe.
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tidak hanya di Eropa.
02:14
Families are splitting,
friends no longer talk to each other.
friends no longer talk to each other.
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Keluarga terpecah, teman-teman
tak lagi saling bicara.
tak lagi saling bicara.
02:17
We stay in our bubbles.
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Kita tinggal di dalam gelembung.
02:19
And these so-called filter bubbles
are amplified by social media,
are amplified by social media,
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Hal yang disebut filter bubble ini
diperkuat oleh media sosial,
diperkuat oleh media sosial,
02:24
but they are not,
in the core, a digital product.
in the core, a digital product.
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tapi intinya bukan produk digital.
02:28
The filter bubble has always been there.
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Filter bubble selalu ada di sana.
02:30
It's in our minds.
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Ia ada di dalam pikiran kita.
02:32
As many studies repeatedly have shown,
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Seperti yang telah ditunjukkan
berulang kali oleh banyak studi,
berulang kali oleh banyak studi,
02:36
we, for example, ignore effects
that contradict our convictions.
that contradict our convictions.
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kita, contohnya, mengabaikan efek
yang bertentangan dengan keyakinan kita.
yang bertentangan dengan keyakinan kita.
02:42
So correcting fake news
is definitely necessary,
is definitely necessary,
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Jadi, mengoreksi berita palsu
pasti perlu,
pasti perlu,
02:46
but it's not sufficient
to get a divided society
to get a divided society
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tapi itu tak cukup untuk membuat
masyarakat yang terpecah
masyarakat yang terpecah
02:50
to rethink itself.
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untuk berpikir kembali.
02:52
Fortunately, according to
at least some research,
at least some research,
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Untungnya, berdasarkan
beberapa penelitian,
beberapa penelitian,
02:56
there may be a simple way
to get a new perspective:
to get a new perspective:
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ada cara mudah mendapatkan
perspektif baru:
perspektif baru:
02:59
a personal one-on-one discussion
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diskusi personal satu lawan satu
03:02
with someone who doesn't
have your opinion.
have your opinion.
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dengan mereka yang berbeda opini.
03:06
It enables you to see
the world in a new way,
the world in a new way,
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Ini memungkinkan Anda melihat
dunia dalam cara baru,
dunia dalam cara baru,
03:10
through someone else's eyes.
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lewat mata orang lain.
03:14
Now, I'm the editor of "ZEIT ONLINE,"
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Saya adalah editor "ZEIT ONLINE,"
03:18
one of the major digital
news organizations in Germany.
news organizations in Germany.
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salah satu organisasi media digital
utama di Jerman.
utama di Jerman.
03:22
And we started what became "Europe Talks"
as a really modest editorial exercise.
as a really modest editorial exercise.
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Kami memulai "Europe Talks" sebagai
suatu latihan editorial sederhana.
suatu latihan editorial sederhana.
03:28
As many journalists,
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Seperti halnya banyak jurnalis,
03:29
we were impressed by Trump and by Brexit,
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kami terkesan dengan Trump dan Brexit,
03:33
and Germany was getting divided, too,
especially over the issue of migration.
especially over the issue of migration.
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Jerman juga sedang terbagi, terutama
oleh isu migrasi.
oleh isu migrasi.
03:38
So the arrival of more than
a million refugees in 2015 and 2016
a million refugees in 2015 and 2016
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Jadi, kedatangan lebih dari sejuta
pengungsi di tahun 2015 dan 2016
pengungsi di tahun 2015 dan 2016
03:43
dominated somewhat the debate.
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mendominasi perdebatannya.
03:46
And when we were thinking
about our own upcoming election in 2017,
about our own upcoming election in 2017,
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Ketika kami memikirkan tentang pemilu
2017 yang akan datang,
2017 yang akan datang,
03:51
we definitely knew that we had to reinvent
the way we were dealing with politics.
the way we were dealing with politics.
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kami tahu kami harus menemukan
cara baru berurusan dengan politik.
cara baru berurusan dengan politik.
03:56
So digital nerds that we are,
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Sebagai kutu buku digital,
03:59
we came up with obviously
many very strange digital product ideas,
many very strange digital product ideas,
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kami punya banyak ide produk
digital yang aneh,
digital yang aneh,
04:06
one of them being a Tinder for politics --
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salah satunya Tinder untuk politik --
04:09
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
04:11
a dating platform for political opposites,
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platform kencan untuk lawan politik,
04:16
a tool that could help get people
together with different opinions.
together with different opinions.
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alat yang bisa membantu mempertemukan
orang-orang dengan opini berbeda.
orang-orang dengan opini berbeda.
04:20
And we decided to test it
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Kami memutuskan untuk mengujinya
04:23
and launched what techies would call
a "minimum viable product."
a "minimum viable product."
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dan meluncurkan apa yang disebut
sebagai "produk minimum yang layak."
sebagai "produk minimum yang layak."
04:27
So it was really simple.
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Jadi ini sangat sederhana.
04:29
We called it "Deutschland spricht" --
"Germany Talks" --
"Germany Talks" --
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Kami menyebutnya "Deutschland Spricht"--
"Germany Talks" --
"Germany Talks" --
04:33
and we started with that in May 2017.
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kami memulainya di bulan Mei, 2017.
04:39
And it was really simple.
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Ini sangat sederhana.
04:42
We used mainly Google Forms,
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Kami menggunakan Google Forms,
04:45
a tool that each and every one of us here
can use to make surveys online.
can use to make surveys online.
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alat yang bisa kita gunakan untuk
membuat survei online.
membuat survei online.
04:51
And everywhere in our content,
we embedded simple questions like this:
we embedded simple questions like this:
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Dalam konten, kami menanamkan
pertanyaan-pertanyaan sederhana seperti:
pertanyaan-pertanyaan sederhana seperti:
04:56
"Did Germany take in too many refugees?"
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"Apakah Jerman menampung
terlalu banyak pengungsi?'
terlalu banyak pengungsi?'
05:00
You click yes or no.
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Anda klik ya atau tidak.
05:02
We asked you more questions, like,
"Does the West treat Russia fairly?"
"Does the West treat Russia fairly?"
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Kami bertanya lebih banyak, seperti,
"Apakah negara Barat berlaku adil
terhadap Rusia?"
terhadap Rusia?"
05:07
or, "Should gay couples
be allowed to marry?"
be allowed to marry?"
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atau, "Bolehkah pasangan gay menikah?"
05:10
And if you answered all these questions,
we asked one more question:
we asked one more question:
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Jika sudah selesai menjawab,
kami bertanya satu hal lagi:
kami bertanya satu hal lagi:
"Hey, maukah Anda bertemu tetangga yang
sama sekali tidak setuju dengan Anda?"
sama sekali tidak setuju dengan Anda?"
05:13
"Hey, would you like to meet a neighbor
who totally disagrees with you?"
who totally disagrees with you?"
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05:17
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
05:20
So this was a really simple experiment
with no budget whatsoever.
with no budget whatsoever.
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Ini adalah sebuah eksperimen sederhana
tanpa anggaran apa pun.
tanpa anggaran apa pun.
05:25
We expected some
hundred-ish people to register,
hundred-ish people to register,
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Kami mengira ada sekitar ratusan
yang mendaftar,
yang mendaftar,
05:30
and we planned to match them
by hand, the pairs.
by hand, the pairs.
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dan kami berencana mencocokkan
mereka secara manual.
mereka secara manual.
05:34
And after one day,
1,000 people had registered.
1,000 people had registered.
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Setelah satu hari, sudah ada 1,000
orang yang mendaftar.
orang yang mendaftar.
05:39
And after some weeks,
12,000 Germans had signed up
12,000 Germans had signed up
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Setelah beberapa minggu, 12,000
warga Jerman sudah mendaftar
warga Jerman sudah mendaftar
05:44
to meet someone else
with a different opinion.
with a different opinion.
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untuk bertemu dengan mereka yang
berbeda opini.
berbeda opini.
05:47
So we had a problem.
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Jadi, kami mendapat masalah.
05:48
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
05:50
We hacked a quick and dirty algorithm
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Kami meretas algoritma yang cepat
dan kotor
dan kotor
05:53
that would find
the perfect Tinder matches,
the perfect Tinder matches,
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yang akan menemukan pasangan Tinder
yang sempurna,
yang sempurna,
05:56
like people living as close as possible
having answered the questions
having answered the questions
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seperti orang yang tinggal sedekat mungkin
tapi dengan jawaban yang sangat berbeda.
06:01
as differently as possible.
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06:04
We introduced them via email.
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Kami memperkenalkan mereka lewat email.
06:07
And, as you may imagine,
we had many concerns.
we had many concerns.
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Seperti yang Anda bayangkan,
ada banyak kekhawatiran.
ada banyak kekhawatiran.
06:12
Maybe no one would show up in real life.
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Mungkin tak ada yang muncul.
06:16
Maybe all the discussions
in real life would be awful.
in real life would be awful.
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Mungkin diskusi secara langsung
akan jadi mengerikan.
akan jadi mengerikan.
06:21
Or maybe we had an axe murderer
in our database.
in our database.
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Atau mungkin ada pembunuh berkapak
di database kami.
di database kami.
06:24
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
06:26
But then, on a Sunday in June 2017,
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Tapi, pada hari Minggu di bulan Juni 2017,
06:31
something beautiful happened.
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sesuatu yang indah terjadi.
06:34
Thousands of Germans met in pairs
and talked about politics peacefully.
and talked about politics peacefully.
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Ribuan orang Jerman bertemu berpasangan
dan bicara tentang politik dengan damai.
dan bicara tentang politik dengan damai.
06:40
Like Anno.
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Seperti Anno.
06:42
He's a former policeman who's against --
or was against -- gay marriage,
or was against -- gay marriage,
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Dia adalah mantan polisi yang menentang--
atau tadinya menentang pernikahan sejenis,
atau tadinya menentang pernikahan sejenis,
06:46
and Anne, she's an engineer who lives
in a domestic partnership
in a domestic partnership
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kemudian Anne, seorang insinyur yang
hidup satu rumah
hidup satu rumah
06:50
with another woman.
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dengan wanita lain.
06:52
And they were talking
for hours about all the topics
for hours about all the topics
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Mereka berbicara berjam-jam mengenai
segala topik
segala topik
06:55
where they had different opinions.
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di mana mereka berbeda opini.
06:57
At one point, Anno told us later,
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Di satu titik, Anno mengatakan pada kami,
07:00
he realized that Anne was hurt
by his statements about gay marriage,
by his statements about gay marriage,
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dia sadar Anne terluka karena ucapannya
tentang pernikahan sejenis,
tentang pernikahan sejenis,
07:06
and he started to question
his own assumptions.
his own assumptions.
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dan dia mulai mempertanyakan
asumsinya sendiri.
asumsinya sendiri.
07:09
And after talking for three hours,
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Setelah berbicara selama tiga jam,
07:12
Anne invited Anno to her summer party,
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Anne mengundang Anno ke pesta
musim panasnya,
musim panasnya,
07:15
and today, years later,
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dan hari ini, bertahun-tahun setelahnya,
07:17
they still meet from time to time
and are friends.
and are friends.
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kadang mereka masih bertemu,
dan mereka berteman.
dan mereka berteman.
07:21
So our algorithm matched,
for example, this court bailiff.
for example, this court bailiff.
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Jadi algoritma kami cocok, contohnya,
juru sita pengadilan ini.
juru sita pengadilan ini.
07:25
He's also a spokesperson of the right-wing
populist party AfD in Germany,
populist party AfD in Germany,
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Dia juga juru bicara AfD, partai populis
sayap kanan di Jerman,
sayap kanan di Jerman,
07:31
and this counselor for pregnant women.
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dan konselor untuk wanita hamil ini.
07:33
She used to be an active member
of the Green Party.
of the Green Party.
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Dulunya dia anggota aktif Green Party.
07:36
We even matched this professor
and his student.
and his student.
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Kami bahkan mencocokkan profesor ini
dengan muridnya.
dengan muridnya.
07:41
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
07:45
It's an algorithm.
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Ini adalah algoritma.
07:47
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
07:48
We also matched a father-in-law
and his very own daughter-in-law,
and his very own daughter-in-law,
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Kami juga mencocokkan seorang ayah
mertua dengan menantu perempuannya,
mertua dengan menantu perempuannya,
07:55
because, obviously, they live close by
but have really different opinions.
but have really different opinions.
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karena jelas mereka tinggal berdekatan
tapi memiliki opini yang sangat berbeda.
tapi memiliki opini yang sangat berbeda.
07:59
So as a general rule,
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Jadi sebagai aturan umum,
08:01
we did not observe, record,
document the discussions,
document the discussions,
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kami tidak mengamati, merekam,
mendokumentasikan diskusi-diskusinya,
mendokumentasikan diskusi-diskusinya,
08:05
because we didn't want
people to perform in any way.
people to perform in any way.
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karena kami tak mau memengaruhi mereka.
08:09
But I made an exception.
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Tapi saya membuat pengecualian.
08:11
I took part myself.
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Saya sendiri ikut serta.
08:12
And so I met in my trendy Berlin
neighborhood called Prenzlauer Berg,
neighborhood called Prenzlauer Berg,
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Saya bertemu di lingkungan
trendi Berlin, Prenzlauer Berg,
trendi Berlin, Prenzlauer Berg,
08:18
I met Mirko.
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saya bertemu Mirko.
08:20
This is me talking to Mirko.
Mirko didn't want to be in the picture.
Mirko didn't want to be in the picture.
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Ini waktu saya bicara dengan Mirko.
Mirko tidak mau ada di foto.
Mirko tidak mau ada di foto.
08:24
He's a young plant operator,
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Dia adalah seorang operator pabrik muda,
08:26
and he looked like
all the hipsters in our area,
all the hipsters in our area,
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dan dia nampak seperti hipster
di daerah kami
di daerah kami
08:28
like with a beard and a beanie.
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dengan janggut dan topi kupluk.
08:30
We were talking for hours,
and I found him to be a wonderful person.
and I found him to be a wonderful person.
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Kami bicara berjam-jam, dan ternyata
dia orang yang menyenangkan.
dia orang yang menyenangkan.
08:36
And despite the fact that we had
really different opinions
really different opinions
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Walaupun opini kami sangat berbeda
08:39
about most of the topics --
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mengenai sebagian besar topik --
08:41
maybe with the exception
of women's rights,
of women's rights,
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mungkin dengan pengecualian
hak-hak perempuan,
hak-hak perempuan,
08:43
where I couldn't comprehend
his thoughts --
his thoughts --
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di mana saya tak bisa memahami
pemikirannya --
pemikirannya --
08:47
it was really nice.
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itu sangat menyenangkan.
08:48
After our discussion, I Googled Mirko.
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Setelah diskusi, saya mencari
Mirko di Google.
Mirko di Google.
08:52
And I found out that in his teenage years,
he used to be a neo-Nazi.
he used to be a neo-Nazi.
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Ternyata di masa remaja, dia dulunya
seorang neo-Nazi.
seorang neo-Nazi.
08:59
So I called him and asked,
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Jadi saya meneleponnya dan bertanya,
09:01
"Hey, why didn't you tell me?"
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"Hey, kenapa kau tidak bilang padaku?"
09:03
And he said, "You know, I didn't tell you
because I want to get over it.
because I want to get over it.
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Dia berkata, "Aku tak bilang padamu
karena aku ingin melupakannya.
karena aku ingin melupakannya.
09:07
I just don't want
to talk about it anymore."
to talk about it anymore."
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Aku hanya tak ingin membahasnya lagi."
09:13
I thought that people with
a history like that could never change,
a history like that could never change,
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Saya pikir orang dengan sejarah macam itu
tak pernah bisa berubah,
tak pernah bisa berubah,
09:20
and I had to rethink my assumptions,
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saya harus memikirkan ulang asumsi saya,
09:23
as did many of the participants
who sent us thousands of emails
who sent us thousands of emails
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seperti halnya banyak peserta lain
yang mengirimkan ribuan email
yang mengirimkan ribuan email
09:27
and also selfies.
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dan juga swafoto.
09:32
No violence was recorded whatsoever.
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Tidak ada kekerasan apa pun yang terekam.
09:34
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
09:35
And we just don't know
if some of the pairs got married.
if some of the pairs got married.
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Kami juga tak tahu apa ada pasangan
yang menikah.
yang menikah.
09:39
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
09:41
But, at least, we were really excited
and wanted to do it again,
and wanted to do it again,
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Setidaknya, kami sangat bersemangat
dan ingin melakukannya lagi,
dan ingin melakukannya lagi,
09:46
especially in version 2.0,
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terutama di versi 2.0,
09:48
wanted to expand the diversity
of the participants,
of the participants,
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kami ingin memperluas keragaman peserta,
09:52
because obviously in the first round,
they were mainly our readers.
they were mainly our readers.
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karena di babak pertama, kebanyakan
adalah para pembaca kami.
adalah para pembaca kami.
09:57
And so we embraced our competition
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Kami merangkul kompetitor kami
09:59
and asked other media outlets to join.
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dan mengajak media lain bergabung.
10:03
We coordinated via Slack.
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Kami berkoordinasi lewat Slack.
10:06
And this live collaboration
among 11 major German media houses
among 11 major German media houses
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Kolaborasi langsung antara 11 media
utama Jerman ini
utama Jerman ini
10:11
was definitely a first in Germany.
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adalah yang pertama di Jerman.
10:13
The numbers more than doubled:
28,000 people applied this time.
28,000 people applied this time.
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Angkanya bertambah lebih dari 2x lipat:
kali ini 28.000 orang mendaftar.
kali ini 28.000 orang mendaftar.
10:19
And the German president --
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Presiden Jerman --
10:21
you see him here
in the center of the picture --
in the center of the picture --
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Anda bisa lihat Beliau di tengah foto --
menjadi penyokong kami.
10:23
became our patron.
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10:24
And so, thousands of Germans met again
in the summer of 2018
in the summer of 2018
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Ribuan orang Jerman bertemu lagi
di musim panas 2018
di musim panas 2018
10:31
to talk to someone else
with a different opinion.
with a different opinion.
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untuk berbicara dengan mereka
yang berbeda opini.
yang berbeda opini.
10:33
Some of the pairs we invited
to Berlin to a special event.
to Berlin to a special event.
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Sebagian kami undang ke Berlin
untuk acara khusus.
untuk acara khusus.
10:37
And there, this picture was taken,
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Di sanalah foto ini diambil,
10:39
until today my favorite symbol
for "Germany Talks."
for "Germany Talks."
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ini simbol "Germany Talks" favorit saya
hingga hari ini.
hingga hari ini.
10:43
You see Henrik,
a bus driver and boxing trainer,
a bus driver and boxing trainer,
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Ini Henrik, pengemudi bis
dan pelatih tinju,
dan pelatih tinju,
10:47
and Engelbert, the director
of a children's help center.
of a children's help center.
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dan Engelbert, pimpinan sebuah
pusat bantuan anak-anak.
pusat bantuan anak-anak.
10:51
They answered all of the seven questions
we asked differently.
we asked differently.
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Mereka menjawab tujuh pertanyaan
kami secara berbeda.
kami secara berbeda.
10:55
They had never met before this day,
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Mereka belum pernah bertemu
sampai hari itu,
sampai hari itu,
10:58
and they had a really intensive discussion
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dan mereka berdiskusi dengan intensif
11:00
and seemed to get along anyway
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tapi mereka tetap kelihatan akrab
11:04
with each other.
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satu sama lain.
11:05
So this time we also wanted to know
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Kali ini kami juga ingin tahu
11:07
if the discussion would have
any impact on the participants.
any impact on the participants.
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apakah diskusi ini berdampak pada
para peserta.
para peserta.
11:13
So we asked researchers
to survey the participants.
to survey the participants.
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Kami meminta peneliti untuk
menyurvei para peserta.
menyurvei para peserta.
11:17
And two-thirds of the participants said
that they learned something
that they learned something
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Dua per tiga mengatakan bahwa
mereka mempelajari sesuatu
mereka mempelajari sesuatu
11:21
about their partner's attitudes.
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tentang sikap pasangannya.
11:23
Sixty percent agreed
that their viewpoints converged.
that their viewpoints converged.
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60 persen setuju bahwa sudut pandang
mereka bertemu.
mereka bertemu.
11:28
The level of trust in society
seemed also higher after the event,
seemed also higher after the event,
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Tingkat kepercayaan masyarakat tampaknya
juga meningkat setelah acara,
juga meningkat setelah acara,
11:32
according to the researchers.
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menurut para peneliti.
11:34
Ninety percent said that
they enjoyed their discussion.
they enjoyed their discussion.
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90 persen berkata bahwa mereka
menikmati diskusinya.
menikmati diskusinya.
11:37
Ten percent said they didn't
enjoy their discussion,
enjoy their discussion,
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sepuluh persen berkata mereka tidak
menikmati diskusi mereka,
menikmati diskusi mereka,
11:40
eight percent only because,
simply, their partner didn't show up.
simply, their partner didn't show up.
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delapan persen karena pasangan
mereka tidak muncul.
mereka tidak muncul.
11:44
(Laughter)
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(Tertawa)
11:46
After "Germany Talks," we got approached
by many international media outlets,
by many international media outlets,
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Setelah "Germany Talks", kami didekati
banyak media internasional,
banyak media internasional,
11:51
and we decided this time to build
a serious and secure platform.
a serious and secure platform.
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kali ini kami memutuskan untuk
membangun platform yang serius dan aman.
membangun platform yang serius dan aman.
11:57
We called it "My Country Talks."
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Kami menyebutnya "My Country Talks."
11:59
And in this short period of time,
"My Country Talks" has already been used
"My Country Talks" has already been used
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Dalam waktu singkat, "My Country Talks"
telah digunakan
telah digunakan
12:05
for more than a dozen
local and national events
local and national events
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di lebih dari selusin acara lokal
dan nasional
dan nasional
12:07
like "Het grote gelijk" in Belgium
or "Suomi puhuu" in Finland
or "Suomi puhuu" in Finland
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seperti "Het grote gelijk" di Belgia
atau "Suomi puhuu" di Firlandia
atau "Suomi puhuu" di Firlandia
12:13
or "Britain Talks" in the UK.
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atau "Britain Talks" di Inggris.
12:15
And as I mentioned at the beginning,
we also launched "Europe Talks,"
we also launched "Europe Talks,"
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Seperti yang saya sebutkan di awal,
kami juga meluncurkan "Europe Talks,"
kami juga meluncurkan "Europe Talks,"
12:20
together with 15
international media partners,
international media partners,
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bersama dengan 15 media partner
internasional,
internasional,
12:23
from the "Financial Times" in the UK
to "Helsingin Sanomat" in Finland.
to "Helsingin Sanomat" in Finland.
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mulai dari "Financial Times" di Inggris
sampai "Helsingin Sanomat" di Firlandia.
sampai "Helsingin Sanomat" di Firlandia.
12:29
Thousands of Europeans met
with a total stranger
with a total stranger
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Ribuan warga Eropa bertemu orang
yang sama sekali asing
yang sama sekali asing
12:32
to argue about politics.
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untuk berdebat tentang politik.
12:34
So far, we have been approached
by more than 150 global media outlets,
by more than 150 global media outlets,
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Sejauh ini, kami sudah dihubungi
lebih dari 150 media global,
lebih dari 150 media global,
12:40
and maybe someday there will be
something like "The World Talks,"
something like "The World Talks,"
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mungkin suatu hari akan ada sesuatu
seperti "The World Talks,"
seperti "The World Talks,"
12:43
with hundreds of thousands
of participants.
of participants.
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dengan ratusan ribu peserta.
12:45
But what matters here are not the numbers,
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Tapi yang penting bukan angkanya,
12:51
obviously.
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tentu saja.
12:53
What matters here is ...
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Yang penting adalah
12:55
Whenever two people meet
to talk in person for hours
to talk in person for hours
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ketika dua orang bertemu untuk
saling bicara selama berjam-jam
saling bicara selama berjam-jam
12:59
without anyone else listening,
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tanpa ada orang lain yang mendengarkan,
13:03
they change.
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mereka berubah.
13:04
And so do our societies.
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Demikian juga dengan masyarakat.
13:06
They change little by little,
discussion by discussion.
discussion by discussion.
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Mereka berubah sedikit demi sedikit,
diskusi demi diskusi.
diskusi demi diskusi.
13:10
What matters here is that we relearn
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Yang penting adalah kita belajar kembali
13:13
how to have these
face-to-face discussions,
face-to-face discussions,
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bagaimana cara berdiskusi satu lawan satu
13:16
without anyone else listening,
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tanpa ada orang lain yang menguping,
13:18
with a stranger.
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dengan seorang asing.
13:19
Not only with a stranger
we are introduced to
we are introduced to
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Tidak hanya orang asing yang dikenalkan
13:22
by a Tinder for politics,
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lewat Tinder untuk politik,
13:24
but also with a stranger in a pub
or in a gym or at a conference.
or in a gym or at a conference.
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tapi juga dengan orang asing di pub
atau gym atau di sebuah konferensi.
atau gym atau di sebuah konferensi.
13:30
So please meet someone
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Jadi, temuilah seseorang
13:32
and have an argument
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ajak mereka berargumen
13:33
and enjoy it very much.
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dan nikmatilah sepenuh hati.
13:35
Thank you.
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Terima kasih.
13:37
(Applause)
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(Tepuk tangan)
13:40
Wow!
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Wow!
13:42
(Applause)
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(Tepuk tangan)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jochen Wegner - JournalistJochen Wegner edits Zeit Online, the website of German weekly "Die Zeit," which prizes deep dives into cultural issues.
Why you should listen
Jochen Wegner never thought he could make a living out of writing, yet ultimately he found himself editing Zeit Online, one of Germany's major media websites. With a team of 150, Zeit Online delivers around-the-clock information about breaking and developing stories, distinguished by deep reporting and data visualizations. Zeit also hosts a number of Germany's most popular podcasts.
By taking journalism beyond reporting and into the realm of real-time discussion, Wegner is creating tools that could change the political climate by encouraging wide varieties of people to engage in public discourse. His "My Country Talks" platform organizes personal, one-on-one conversations between people from all over the ideological map, inviting them to find common ground between viewpoints that are at first seemingly irreconcilable.
Jochen Wegner | Speaker | TED.com