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Sakena Yacoobi: How I stopped the Taliban from shutting down my school
Sakena Yacoobi: Come ho impedito ai Talebani di chiudere la mia scuola
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Quando i Talebani chiusero tutte le scuole femminili in Afghanistan, Sakena Yacoobi fondò nuove scuole, in segreto, istruendo migliaia di uomini e donne. In questa relazione intensa e divertente ci racconta la storia strabiliante di come per due volte è stata minacciata perché smettesse di insegnare, e condivide con noi la sua visione per ricostruire il suo amato paese.
Sakena Yacoobi - Education activist
At the Afghan Institute of Learning, Sakena Yacoobi provides teacher training to Afghan women, supporting education for girls and boys throughout the country. Full bio
At the Afghan Institute of Learning, Sakena Yacoobi provides teacher training to Afghan women, supporting education for girls and boys throughout the country. Full bio
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(Arabo) Cerco rifugio in Allah da
Satana il maledetto.
Satana il maledetto.
00:13
(Arabic) I seek refuge in Allah from cursed Satan.
In the Name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
In the Name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
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Nel nome di Allah, il
Compassionevole, il Misericordioso.
Compassionevole, il Misericordioso.
00:16
(English) I was born
in a middle class family.
in a middle class family.
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(Inglese) Sono nata
da una famiglia di ceto medio.
00:20
My father was five years old
when he lost his father,
when he lost his father,
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Mio padre aveva 5 anni
quando perse suo padre,
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but by the time I was born,
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ma quando sono nata io,
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he was already a businessman.
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era già un imprenditore.
00:31
But it didn't make a difference to him
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A lui non cambiava niente
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if his children were going to be
a boy or a girl:
a boy or a girl:
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avere un figlio maschio o una femmina:
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they were going to go to school.
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sarebbero andati a scuola.
00:38
So I guess I was the lucky one.
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Quindi penso di essere stata fortunata.
00:42
My mother had 16 pregnancies.
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Mia madre restò incinta 16 volte.
00:45
From 16 pregnancies, five of us are alive.
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Da 16 gravidanze,
oggi cinque di noi sono vivi.
00:51
You can imagine as a child
what I went through.
what I went through.
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Potete immaginare
cosa ho passato da bambina.
00:56
Day to day, I watched women
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Giorno dopo giorno, vedevo donne
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being carried to a graveyard,
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che venivano portate al cimitero,
01:02
or watched children going to a graveyard.
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o che vedevano andarci i propri figli.
01:07
At that time, when I
finished my high school,
finished my high school,
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A quei tempi, quando finii la scuola,
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I really wanted to be a doctor.
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volevo proprio diventare un medico.
01:13
I wanted to be a doctor
to help women and children.
to help women and children.
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Volevo essere medico
per aiutare donne e bambini.
01:18
So I completed my education,
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Così terminai gli studi,
01:20
but I wanted to go to university.
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ma volevo andare all'università.
01:23
Unfortunately, in my country,
there wasn't a dormitory for girls,
there wasn't a dormitory for girls,
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Nel mio paese però
non c'erano alloggi per ragazze,
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so I was accepted in medical school,
but I could not go there.
but I could not go there.
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Mi accettarono alla scuola per medici,
ma non potevo andarci.
01:33
So as a result, my father
sent me to America.
sent me to America.
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Allora mio padre mi mandò in America.
01:38
I came to America.
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Arrivai in America.
01:40
I completed my education.
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Andai avanti con lo studio.
01:43
While I was completing my education,
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Intanto, mentre studiavo,
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my country was invaded by Russia.
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il mio paese fu invaso dalla Russia.
01:50
And do you know that at the time
I was completing my education,
I was completing my education,
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E potete immaginare che, mentre studiavo,
non sapevo cosa stesse succedendo
01:54
I didn't know what was going on
with my family or with my country.
with my family or with my country.
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alla mia famiglia e al mio paese.
01:58
There were months, years,
I didn't know about it.
I didn't know about it.
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Passavano mesi, anni,
e io non sapevo niente.
e io non sapevo niente.
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My family was in a refugee camp.
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La mia famiglia era in un campo profughi.
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So as soon as I completed my education,
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Allora non appena completai gli studi,
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I brought my family to America.
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portai la mia famiglia in America.
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I wanted them to be safe.
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Volevo che fossero al sicuro.
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But where was my heart?
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Ma dov'era il mio cuore?
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My heart was in Afghanistan.
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Il mio cuore era in Afghanistan.
02:20
Day after day,
when I listened to the news,
when I listened to the news,
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Giorno dopo giorno,
quando ascoltavo le notizie,
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when I followed what was
going on with my country,
going on with my country,
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quando sentivo cosa
succedeva al mio paese,
succedeva al mio paese,
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my heart was breaking up.
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mi si spezzava il cuore.
02:28
I really wanted to go back to my country,
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Volevo davvero tornare là,
02:31
but at the same time I knew
I could not go there,
I could not go there,
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ma sapevo anche che non potevo farlo,
02:33
because there was no place for me.
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perché non c'era posto per me.
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I had a good job.
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Avevo un buon lavoro.
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I was a professor at a university.
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Ero professoressa all'università.
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I earned good money.
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Guadagnavo bene.
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I had a good life.
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Avevo una bella vita.
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My family was here.
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La mia famiglia era con me.
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I could live with them.
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Potevo vivere con loro.
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But I wasn't happy.
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Ma non ero felice.
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I wanted to go back home.
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Volevo tornare a casa.
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So I went to the refugee camp.
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Così andai al campo profughi.
02:54
And when I went
to the refugee camp in Pakistan,
to the refugee camp in Pakistan,
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E quando arrivai
al campo profughi in Pakistan,
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there were 7.5 million refugees.
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c'erano 7,5 milioni di rifugiati
03:01
7.5 million refugees.
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7,5 milioni di rifugiati.
03:04
About 90 percent of them
were women and children.
were women and children.
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Il 90% circa erano donne e bambini.
03:09
Most of the men have been killed
or they were in war.
or they were in war.
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La maggior parte degli uomini erano morti,
o erano in guerra.
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And you know, in the refugee camp,
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Vedete, nel campo profughi,
03:16
when I went day-to-day to do a survey,
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quando facevo l'ispezione giornaliera,
03:19
I found things you never could imagine.
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trovavo cose che non
potreste mai immaginare.
potreste mai immaginare.
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I saw a widow with five to eight children
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Vidi una vedova
con bambini tra i 5 e gli 8 anni
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sitting there and weeping
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seduta a piangere
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and not knowing what to do.
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senza sapere cosa fare.
03:31
I saw a young woman
have no way to go anywhere,
have no way to go anywhere,
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Vidi una ragazza
senza un posto in cui andare,
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no education, no entertainment,
no place to even live.
no place to even live.
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senza una scuola, senza uno svago,
senza nemmeno un posto per vivere.
03:40
I saw young men that had lost
their father and their home,
their father and their home,
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Vidi ragazzi
che avevano perso il padre e la casa,
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and they are supporting the family
as a 10-to-12-year old boy --
as a 10-to-12-year old boy --
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e che sostenevano la famiglia,
pur avendo tra i 10 e i 12 anni,
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being the head of the household,
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essendo ora i capofamiglia,
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trying to protect their sister
and their mother and their children.
and their mother and their children.
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cercando di proteggere
la sorella, la madre e i bambini.
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So it was a very devastating situation.
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Era una situazione davvero drammatica.
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My heart was beating for my people,
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Il mio cuore batteva per la mia gente,
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and I didn't know what to do.
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e io non sapevo cosa fare.
04:04
At that moment, we talk about momentum.
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In quel momento ebbi una specie di impulso
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At that moment, I felt,
what can I do for these people?
what can I do for these people?
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In quel momento pensai,
cosa posso fare per questa gente?
04:11
How could I help these people?
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Come potrei aiutarla?
04:13
I am one individual.
What can I do for them?
What can I do for them?
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Sono una persona, sono sola.
Cosa posso fare?
Cosa posso fare?
04:17
But at that moment, I knew
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Ma in quel momento capii
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that education changed my life.
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che la scuola aveva cambiato la mia vita.
04:22
It transformed me. It gave me status.
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Mi aveva trasformata.
Mi aveva dato prestigio.
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It gave me confidence.
It gave me a career.
It gave me a career.
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Mi aveva dato fiducia.
Mi aveva dato un lavoro.
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It helped me to support my family,
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Mi aveva aiutata a sostenere la famiglia,
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to bring my family to another country,
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a trasferirla in un altro paese,
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to be safe.
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al sicuro.
04:36
And I knew that at that moment
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E in quel momento capii
che avrei dovuto dare alla mia gente
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that what I should give to my people
is education and health,
is education and health,
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istruzione e sanità,
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and that's what I went after.
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e questo divenne il mio
obiettivo.
obiettivo.
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But do you think it was easy?
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Ma pensate che fosse facile?
04:48
No, because at that time, education
was banned for girls, completely.
was banned for girls, completely.
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No, perché a quei tempi
l'istruzione era vietata alle ragazze.
Completamente.
04:56
And also, by Russia invading Afghanistan,
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E poi,
con la Russia che invadeva l'Afghanistan,
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people were not trusting anyone.
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nessuno si fidava più degli altri.
05:03
It was very hard to come and say,
"I want to do this."
"I want to do this."
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Era dura arrivare e uscirsene con:
"Voglio fare questo".
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Who am I?
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Chi sono io?
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Somebody who comes from the United States.
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Una persona che arriva dagli Stati Uniti.
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Somebody who got educated here.
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Una persona che aveva studiato là.
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Did they trust me? Of course not.
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Si fidavano di me? Ovviamente no.
05:15
So I really needed to build
the trust in this community.
the trust in this community.
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Dovevo ricreare fiducia nella comunità.
05:19
How am I going to do that?
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Come avrei potuto fare?
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I went and surveyed and looked and looked.
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Andai là, esaminai il posto
e osservai, osservai, osservai.
05:25
I asked.
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Feci domande.
05:26
Finally, I found one man.
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Alla fine trovai un uomo.
05:29
He was 80 years old.
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Aveva 80 anni.
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He was a mullah.
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Era un mullah.
05:33
I went to his tent in the camp,
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Andai alla sua tenda nel campo,
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and I asked him,
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e gli chiesi:
05:38
"I want to make you a teacher."
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"Voglio che diventi un insegnante".
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And he looked at me,
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Lui mi guardò,
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and he said, "Crazy woman,
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e mi disse "Pazza,
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crazy woman, how do you think
I can be a teacher?"
I can be a teacher?"
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sei pazza, come puoi pensare
che io diventi un insegnante?"
05:49
And I told him,
"I will make you a teacher."
"I will make you a teacher."
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E io gli dissi:
"Ti farò diventare io un insegnante".
05:52
Finally, he accepted my offer,
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Alla fine accettò la mia offerta,
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and once I started a class
in his compound,
in his compound,
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e dopo che formai una classe
nella sua zona,
nella sua zona,
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the word spread all over.
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si sparse la voce.
06:01
In a matter of one year,
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Nel giro di un anno
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we had 25 schools set up,
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avevamo messo su 25 scuole;
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15,000 children going to school,
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15.000 bambini andavano a scuola,
06:09
and it was amazing.
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ed era una cosa fantastica.
06:11
(Applause)
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(Applausi)
06:14
Thank you.
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Grazie.
06:16
Thank you.
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Grazie.
06:18
But of course, we're doing all our work,
we were giving teacher training.
we were giving teacher training.
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Ovviamente noi ci occupavamo di tutto,
preparavamo gli insegnanti,
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We were training women's rights,
human rights, democracy, rule of law.
human rights, democracy, rule of law.
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educavamo ai diritti delle donne,
ai diritti umani,
alla democrazia, allo stato di diritto.
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We were giving all kinds of training.
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Insegnavamo di tutto.
06:31
And one day, I tell you,
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E un giorno, vi dico,
06:34
one day I was in the office
in Peshawar, Pakistan.
in Peshawar, Pakistan.
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un giorno ero in ufficio
a Peshawar, in Pakistan.
06:38
All of a sudden, I saw my staff
running to rooms and locking the doors
running to rooms and locking the doors
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Di colpo vidi il mio staff
correre qua e là
correre qua e là
e bloccare le porte
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and telling me, "Run away, hide!"
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e mi dissero "Scappa, nasconditi!"
06:47
And you know, as a leader, what do you do?
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E allora, come leader, cosa fai?
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You're scared. You know it's dangerous.
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Sei spaventato. Sai che è pericoloso.
06:54
You know your life is on the line.
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Sai che è in gioco la tua vita.
06:56
But as a leader,
you have to hold it together.
you have to hold it together.
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Ma come leader devi tenere duro,
06:59
You have to hold it together
and show strength.
and show strength.
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tenere duro e mostrarti forte.
07:02
So I said, "What's going on?"
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Quindi dissi, "Cosa succede?"
07:04
And these people were pouring
into my office.
into my office.
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E loro entrarono nel mio ufficio,
07:07
So I invited them to the office.
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così li accolsi dentro.
07:09
They came, and there were
nine of them -- nine Taliban.
nine of them -- nine Taliban.
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Arrivarono, erano in nove...nove Talebani.
07:14
They were the ugliest looking men
you can ever see.
you can ever see.
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Erano gli uomini più brutti
che potreste mai vedere.
07:17
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
07:19
Very mean-looking people,
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Persone dall'aria cattiva,
07:21
black clothes, black turban,
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vestiti neri, turbante nero,
07:23
and they pour into my office.
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e dentro, nel mio ufficio.
07:26
And I invited them
to have a seat and have tea.
to have a seat and have tea.
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Li invitai a sedersi e a prendere del tè.
07:29
They said no. They are not
going to drink tea.
going to drink tea.
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Loro dissero no. Non volevano il tè.
07:32
And of course, with the tone
of voice they were using,
of voice they were using,
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E chiaramente, con il tono
di voce che usavano,
di voce che usavano,
07:36
it was very scary,
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era una situazione tremenda,
07:37
but I was really shaking up.
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ero davvero agitata.
07:40
But also I was strong, holding myself up.
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Ma ero anche forte, tenevo duro.
07:44
And, of course, by that time,
you know how I dress --
you know how I dress --
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E a quei tempi, sapete come mi vesto...
07:47
I dress from head to toe in a black hijab.
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Mi vesto dalla testa ai piedi
con un hijab nero.
07:49
The only thing you could see, my eyes.
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L'unica cosa che vedi, gli occhi.
07:53
They asked me, "What are you doing?
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Mi chiesero: "Ma cosa fai?
07:55
Don't you know that school
is banned for girls?
is banned for girls?
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Non sai che la scuola è
vietata alle donne?
vietata alle donne?
07:59
What are you doing here?"
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Cosa stai facendo qui?"
08:01
And you know, I just looked at them,
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E allora li guardai, tutto qui,
08:04
and I said, "What school?
Where is the school?"
Where is the school?"
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e dissi: "Quale scuola? Dov'è la scuola?"
08:07
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
08:10
(Applause)
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(Applausi)
08:13
And they look at my face, and they said,
"You are teaching girls here."
"You are teaching girls here."
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Mi guardano, e dicono:
"Tu qui insegni alle donne".
08:17
I said, "This is a house of somebody.
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Io dissi: "Questa è una casa.
08:20
We have some students coming,
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Ci sono degli studenti che vengono qui
08:22
and they are all learning
Koran, Holy Book.
Koran, Holy Book.
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e studiano il Corano,
il Libro Sacro.
08:25
And you know, Koran says that
if you learn the Holy Book, the woman,
if you learn the Holy Book, the woman,
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E sapete che il Corano dice
che se tu studiano il Libro
Sacro, le donne,
Sacro, le donne,
08:30
they can be a good wife,
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loro potranno essere brave mogli,
08:32
and they can obey their husband."
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e obbedire al marito."
08:34
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
08:38
And I tell you one thing:
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E vi dico una cosa:
08:40
that's the way you work with those people,
and you know --
and you know --
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è così che si fa con questa gente...
08:43
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
08:44
So by that time,
they started speaking Pashto.
they started speaking Pashto.
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Allora si parlarono in Pashto.
08:49
They talked to each other,
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Parlarono tra di loro,
08:50
and they said, "Let's go,
leave her alone, she's OK."
leave her alone, she's OK."
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e dissero: "Andiamo, lei è a posto".
08:54
And you know, this time,
I offered them tea again,
I offered them tea again,
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E a questo punto gli offrii di nuovo il tè
08:58
and they took a sip and they laughed.
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e ne presero un sorso e risero.
09:02
By that time, my staff
poured into my office.
poured into my office.
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A quel punto lo staff rientrò in ufficio.
09:06
They were scared to death.
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Erano spaventati a morte.
09:08
They didn't know why they didn't kill me.
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Non capivano perché non mi avevano uccisa.
09:10
They didn't know why
they didn't take me away.
they didn't take me away.
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Non capivano perché
non mi avevano portata via.
09:12
But everybody was happy to see me.
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Ma tutti erano molto felici di vedermi,
09:16
Very happy, and I was happy
to be alive, of course.
to be alive, of course.
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e io ero felice di essere viva, chiaro.
09:19
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
Ovvio che ero felice
09:20
Of course, I was happy to be alive.
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di essere viva.
09:22
But also, as we continuously gave
training during the fall of the Taliban --
training during the fall of the Taliban --
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Però, noi continuavamo a far lezione
durante la caduta del regime talebano...
09:28
of course during the Taliban
there is another story.
there is another story.
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e sì, con i Talebani
c'è un'altra storia.
09:30
We went underground and we provided
education for 80 schoolgirls,
education for 80 schoolgirls,
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Andammo sottoterra
e facemmo scuola a 80 studentesse
09:34
3,000 students underground,
and continuously we trained.
and continuously we trained.
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3000 studenti,
tutti sottoterra, e noi sempre
a insegnare.
a insegnare.
09:38
With the fall of the Taliban,
we went into the country,
we went into the country,
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Caduti i Talebani,
andammo per il paese,
09:41
and we opened school after school.
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e aprimmo una scuola dopo l'altra.
09:44
We opened women's learning center.
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Abbiamo aperto una scuola per donne.
09:46
We continuously opened clinics.
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Abbiamo continuato ad aprire cliniche.
09:48
We worked with mothers and children.
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Abbiamo lavorato con madri e bambini.
09:50
We had reproductive health training.
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Abbiamo educato alla sessualità.
09:52
We had all kinds of training
that you can imagine.
that you can imagine.
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Abbiamo insegnato
tutto ciò che potete immaginare.
09:55
I was very happy. I was delighted
with the outcome of my work.
with the outcome of my work.
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Ero molto felice. Ero entusiasta
del risultato del mio lavoro.
10:00
And one day, with four trainers
and one bodyguard,
and one bodyguard,
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E un giorno,
con 4 insegnanti e una guardia del corpo,
10:03
I was going up north of Kabul,
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stavo andando a nord di Kabul,
10:06
and all of a sudden, again,
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e all'improvviso, ancora,
10:09
I was stopped in the middle of the road
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fui fermata in mezzo alla strada
10:11
by 19 young men.
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da 19 ragazzi.
10:13
Rifles on their shoulders,
they blocked the road.
they blocked the road.
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Fucile in spalla, bloccavano la strada.
10:17
And I told my driver, "What's going on?"
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E io chiesi all'autista: "Che c'è?"
10:20
And the driver said, "I don't know."
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E l'autista: "Non lo so."
10:22
He asked them. They said,
"We have nothing to do with you."
"We have nothing to do with you."
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Glielo chiese.
Dissero:
Dissero:
"Non vogliamo niente da te."
10:25
They called my name.
They said, "We want her."
They said, "We want her."
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Chiamarono il mio nome.
Dissero "Vogliamo lei."
10:28
My bodyguard got out, said,
"I can answer you.
"I can answer you.
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La mia guardia uscì
e disse: "Posso rispondere io.
10:31
What do you want?"
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Cosa volete?"
10:33
They said, "Nothing." They called my name.
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Dissero: "Niente." Mi chiamarono.
10:35
And by that time, the women
are yelling and screaming inside the car.
are yelling and screaming inside the car.
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E allora le donne
iniziano a urlare e gridare in macchina.
10:39
I am very shaken up,
and I told myself, this is it.
and I told myself, this is it.
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Sono agitatissima e mi dico ecco, è fatta.
10:42
This time, we all are going to be killed.
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Stavolta verremo tutti uccisi.
10:45
There is no doubt in my mind.
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Non ho nessun dubbio.
10:47
But still, the moment comes,
and you take strength
and you take strength
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Però sei lì, è il momento e ti fai forza
10:52
from whatever you believe
and whatever you do.
and whatever you do.
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con tutto ciò in cui credi
e tutto ciò che fai.
10:55
It's in your heart.
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È nel tuo cuore.
10:56
You believe in your worth,
and you can walk on it.
and you can walk on it.
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Credi nel tuo valore, puoi farcela.
10:59
So I just hold myself
on the side of the car.
on the side of the car.
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E allora mi tengo al lato della macchina.
11:03
My leg was shaking, and I got outside.
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Le gambe mi tremavano, e uscii.
11:06
And I asked them, "What can I do for you?"
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E gli chiesi: "Cosa posso fare per voi?"
11:09
You know what they said to me?
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Sapete cosa mi hanno detto?
11:11
They said, "We know who you are.
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Mi dissero: "Sappiamo chi sei.
11:14
We know where you are going.
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Sappiamo dove stai andando.
11:16
Every day you go up north here and there.
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Ogni giorno vai su al nord, qua e là.
11:18
You train women, you teach them
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Fai scuola alle donne, insegni
11:22
and also you give them an
opportunity to have a job.
opportunity to have a job.
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e gli dai l'opportunità
di trovare un lavoro.
11:25
You build their skills. How about us?"
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Le rendi sveglie. E noi niente?"
11:27
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
11:30
(Applause)
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(Applausi)
11:33
"And you know, how about us?
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"E allora, a noi niente?
11:38
What are we going to do?"
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Cosa dovremmo fare?"
11:39
I looked at them, and I said,
"I don't know."
"I don't know."
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Li guardai e dissi: "Non lo so."
11:42
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
11:45
They said, "It's OK.
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Dissero: "Va bene.
11:46
The only thing we can do, what we know,
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L'unica cosa che
sappiamo fare,
sappiamo fare,
ciò che conosciamo...
da quando siamo nati,
11:48
from the time we're born,
we just hold the gun and kill.
we just hold the gun and kill.
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teniamo la pistola
e uccidiamo.
È tutto ciò che sappiamo."
11:51
That's all we know."
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11:53
And you know what that means.
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E sapete cosa significa.
11:55
It's a trap to me, of course.
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È una trappola, è ovvio.
11:57
So I walk out of there.
They said, "We'll let you go, go."
They said, "We'll let you go, go."
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Allora me ne vado.
Mi fanno: "Ti lasciamo andare, vai."
12:01
And so I walked into the car,
I sit in the car,
I sit in the car,
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E io rientro in macchina, mi siedo,
12:04
and I told the driver,
"Turn around and go back to the office."
"Turn around and go back to the office."
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e dico all'autista:
"Gira che torniamo in ufficio."
12:07
At that time, we only
were supporting girls.
were supporting girls.
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Alla fine, l'unica cosa che facevamo
era dare sostegno alle ragazze.
12:11
We only had money for women to train them,
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Avevamo soldi solo per
insegnare alle donne,
insegnare alle donne,
12:14
to send them to school, and nothing else.
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per mandarle a scuola, nient'altro.
12:17
By the time I came to the office,
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Quando arrivai in ufficio,
12:20
of course my trainers were gone.
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i miei istruttori erano andati via.
12:22
They ran away home. Nobody stayed there.
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Erano scappati a casa.
Non era rimasto nessuno.
12:26
My bodyguard was the only one there,
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La mia guardia del corpo
era l'unica persona ancora lì,
12:29
and my voice was completely gone.
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e io non avevo più voce.
12:32
I was shaken up, and I sat on my table,
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Ero molto scossa e mi sedetti,
12:35
and I said, "What am I going to do?"
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e dissi: "Cosa devo fare?
12:37
How am I going to solve this problem?
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Come lo risolvo questo problema?"
12:40
Because we had training
going on up north already.
going on up north already.
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Anche perché c'erano istruttori
che stavano già andando a nord.
12:44
Hundreds of women were there
coming to get training.
coming to get training.
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Centinaia di donne erano pronte
a essere istruite.
12:48
So I was sitting there,
all of a sudden, at this moment,
all of a sudden, at this moment,
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E quindi me ne stavo seduta lì.
Tutto a un tratto, in quel momento,
12:52
talking about momentum, we are,
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e stiamo parlando di un impulso,
12:54
at that moment,
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in quel momento,
12:56
one of my wonderful donors
called me about a report.
called me about a report.
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una delle mie splendide volontarie
mi chiamò per parlare.
13:01
And she asked me, "Sakena?"
And I answered her.
And I answered her.
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E mi disse: "Sakena?". Io le risposi.
13:04
She said, "It's not you.
What's wrong with you?"
What's wrong with you?"
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Mi disse: "Sei strana.
Cosa c'è che non va?"
Cosa c'è che non va?"
13:07
I said, "Nothing." I tried to cover.
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Le risposi: "Niente". Cercai di tacere.
13:10
No matter what I tried to do,
she didn't believe me,
she didn't believe me,
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Potevo dire quel che volevo,
lei non mi credeva,
13:13
and she asked me again.
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e me lo chiese ancora.
13:15
"OK, tell me what's going on?"
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"Dai, dimmi, cos'è successo?"
13:16
I told her the whole story.
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Le raccontai tutto.
13:18
At that time, she said, "OK,
you go next time, and you will help them.
you go next time, and you will help them.
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A quel punto disse:
"Ok, la prossima volta vai là e li aiuti.
13:24
You will help them."
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Li aiuterai tu."
13:26
And when, two days later,
I went the same route,
I went the same route,
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Poi, due giorni dopo,
rifeci quella strada,
rifeci quella strada,
13:30
and do you know, they were not in here,
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però sapete, loro non erano lì,
13:32
they were a little back further,
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erano un po' più avanti,
13:35
the same young men, standing up there
and holding the rifle
and holding the rifle
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gli stessi ragazzi,
piantati lì con il fucile in mano
13:39
and pointing to us to stop the car.
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puntato verso noi per farci fermare.
13:41
So we stopped the car.
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Allora noi abbiamo fermato l'auto.
13:43
I got out. I said, "OK, let's go with me."
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Uscii. Dissi: "Ok, venite con me."
13:46
And they said, "Yes."
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E loro risposero: "Sì."
13:48
I said, "On one condition,
that whatever I say, you accept it."
that whatever I say, you accept it."
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Dissi: "A una condizione:
qualsiasi cosa dico, voi l'accettate."
13:53
And they said, yes, they do.
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E loro dissero di sì, lo faranno.
13:54
So I took them to the mosque,
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Quindi li portai alla moschea,
13:56
and to make a long story short,
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e per farla breve,
13:59
I told them I'd give them teachers.
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dissi che gli avrei dato degli insegnanti.
14:02
Today, they are the best trainers.
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Oggi loro sono i migliori istruttori.
14:06
They learn English,
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Imparano l'inglese,
14:08
they learn how to be teachers,
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imparano come insegnare,
14:10
they learn computers,
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imparano a usare il computer,
14:12
and they are my guides.
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e sono le mie guide.
14:14
Every area that is unknown to us
in the mountain areas,
in the mountain areas,
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In ogni zona che ci è ignota,
tra le zone di montagna,
14:18
they go with me.
They are ahead, and we go.
They are ahead, and we go.
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loro ci accompagnano.
Ci stanno davanti, e via.
14:20
And they protect us.
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E ci proteggono.
14:23
And --
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E...
14:24
(Applause)
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(Applausi)
Grazie.
14:25
Thank you.
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14:26
(Applause)
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(Applausi)
14:30
That tells you that education
transforms people.
transforms people.
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Questo spiega che
l'istruzione trasforma le persone.
14:35
When you educate people,
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Quando vengono istruite,
14:37
they are going to be different,
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le persone cambiano,
14:39
and today all over,
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e ovunque, oggi,
14:41
we need to work for gender equality.
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dobbiamo lavorare
sull'uguaglianza di genere.
sull'uguaglianza di genere.
14:43
We cannot only train women
but forget about the men,
but forget about the men,
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Non possiamo istruire le donne
e dimenticarci degli uomini,
14:47
because the men are the real people
who are giving women the hardest time.
who are giving women the hardest time.
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perché sono proprio gli uomini
a dare del filo da torcere alle donne.
14:52
(Laughter)
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(Risate)
14:54
So we started training men
because the men should know
because the men should know
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Allora abbiamo iniziato a istruire uomini
perché gli uomini devono capire
14:58
the potential of women,
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il potenziale delle donne,
14:59
know how much these potential men has,
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capire quanto potenziale hanno loro
15:02
and how much these women
can do the same job they are doing.
can do the same job they are doing.
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e come queste donne possono fare
lo stesso lavoro che fanno loro.
15:06
So we are continuously giving
training to men,
training to men,
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Quindi continuiamo a istruire gli uomini,
15:10
and I really believe strongly.
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e io credo fermamente in questo.
15:13
I live in a country
that was a beautiful country.
that was a beautiful country.
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Vivo in un paese che era meraviglioso.
15:16
I just want to share this with you.
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Voglio solo condividere questo con voi.
15:19
It was a beautiful country,
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Era un paese bellissimo,
15:20
beautiful, peaceful country.
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uno splendido paese di pace.
15:23
We were going everywhere.
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Andavamo dappertutto.
15:25
Women were getting education:
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Le donne venivano istruite:
15:27
lawyer, engineer, teacher,
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avvocatesse, ingegneri, insegnanti,
15:30
and we were going from house to house.
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e andavamo di casa in casa.
15:32
We never locked our doors.
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Non chiudevamo mai le porte a chiave.
15:34
But you know what happened to my country.
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Ma sapete cosa successe nel mio paese.
15:36
Today, people cannot walk
out of their door without security issues.
out of their door without security issues.
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Oggi la gente non può uscire di casa
senza prendere misure di sicurezza.
15:43
But we want the same
Afghanistan we had before.
Afghanistan we had before.
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Ma noi rivogliamo l'Afghanistan di prima.
15:48
And I want to tell you the other side.
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E io vi racconto cosa c'è dietro.
15:50
Today, the women of Afghanistan
are working very, very hard.
are working very, very hard.
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Oggi, le donne afghane
si danno molto, molto da fare.
15:54
They are earning degrees.
They are training to be lawyers.
They are training to be lawyers.
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Si laureano.
Studiano per diventare avvocatesse.
15:58
They are training to be
doctors, back again.
doctors, back again.
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E ancora, studiano per diventare medici.
16:00
They are training to be teachers,
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Studiano per diventare insegnanti,
16:02
and they are running businesses.
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e gestiscono aziende.
16:04
So it is so wonderful
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Perciò vi dico, è fantastico
16:07
to see people like that
reach their complete potential,
reach their complete potential,
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vedere persone così
che sfruttano il loro potenziale,
16:12
and all of this is going to happen.
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e tutto ciò succederà.
16:14
I want to share this with you,
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Voglio condividere questo con voi,
16:16
because of love,
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per amore,
16:18
because of compassion,
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per compassione,
16:20
and because of trust and honesty.
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e per fiducia e onestà.
16:23
If you have these few things with you,
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Se avrete con voi queste piccole cose
16:26
you will accomplish.
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ce la farete.
16:29
We have one poet, Mawlānā Rūmī.
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C'è un nostro poeta, Mawlānā Rūmī.
16:32
He said that by having compassion
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Lui dice che con la comprensione
16:37
and having love,
you can conquer the world.
you can conquer the world.
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e con l'amore, si può
conquistare il mondo.
conquistare il mondo.
16:40
And I tell you, we could.
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E vi dico, lo potremmo fare.
16:42
And if we could do it in Afghanistan,
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E se lo facessimo in Afghanistan
16:44
I am sure 100 percent that everyone
can do it in any part of the world.
can do it in any part of the world.
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sono sicura al 100%
che chiunque potrebbe farlo
in ogni parte del mondo.
16:48
Thank you very, very much.
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Grazie mille, davvero.
16:50
(Applause)
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(Applausi)
16:53
Thank you. Thank you.
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Grazie, grazie.
16:58
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sakena Yacoobi - Education activistAt the Afghan Institute of Learning, Sakena Yacoobi provides teacher training to Afghan women, supporting education for girls and boys throughout the country.
Why you should listen
Sakena Yacoobi is executive director of the Afghan Institute of Learning (AIL), an Afghan women-led NGO she founded in 1995. After the Taliban closed girls’ schools in the 1990s, AIL supported 80 underground home schools for 3,000 girls in Afghanistan. Now, under Yacoobi’s leadership, AIL works at the grassroots level to empower women and bring education and health services to poor women and girls in rural and urban areas, serving hundreds of thousands of women and children a year through its training programs, Learning Centers, schools and clinics in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Yacoobi is the founder of the Afghan Institute of Learning, the Professor Sakena Yacoobi Private Hospital in Herat, the Professor Sakena Yacoobi Private High Schools in Kabul and the radio station Meraj in her hometown of Herat, Afghanistan.
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