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Afra Raymond: Three myths about corruption
Afra Rejmond (Afra Raymond): Tri mita o korupciji
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Trinidad i Tobago je '70-ih godina došao do ogromnog bogatstva zahvaljujući nafti. Ali, 1982. godine otkrivena je šokantna činjenica - da su 2 od 3 dolara namenjena razvoju protraćena ili ukradena. Ova činjenica proganja Afru Rejmonda već 30 godina. Bacajući svetlo na neprestanu državnu korupciju, Rejmond nam redefiniše privredni kriminal. (Snimljeno na TEDxPortofSpain.)
Afra Raymond - Transparency activist
A leading expert in the fields of property valuation and project management, Afra Raymond is battling the government corruption rampant in his country, Trinidad and Tobago. Full bio
A leading expert in the fields of property valuation and project management, Afra Raymond is battling the government corruption rampant in his country, Trinidad and Tobago. Full bio
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00:16
Okay, this morning I'm speaking
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OK, ovog jutra ću govoriti
00:18
on the question of corruption.
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o problemu korupcije.
00:21
And corruption is defined
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A korupcija se definiše
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as the abuse of a position of trust
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kao zloupotreba poverenja
00:29
for the benefit of yourself -- or, in the case of our context,
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zbog sopstvene koristi
- ili u našem kontekstu,
- ili u našem kontekstu,
00:33
your friends, your family or your financiers.
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vaših prijatelja, porodice
ili vaših ulagača.
ili vaših ulagača.
00:35
Okay? Friends, family and financiers.
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U redu? Prijatelji,
porodica, ulagači.
porodica, ulagači.
00:40
But we need to understand what we understand about corruption,
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Ali moramo razumeti
šta mi podrazumevamo pod korupcijom
šta mi podrazumevamo pod korupcijom
00:44
and we need to understand that
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i moramo razumeti
00:47
we have been miseducated about it, and we have to admit that.
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da smo pogrešno učeni o tome
i moramo priznati to.
i moramo priznati to.
00:50
We have to have the courage to admit that
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Moramo imati hrabrosti
da priznamo to,
da priznamo to,
00:52
to start changing how we deal with it.
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kako bismo počeli da menjamo
naš pristup ka tome.
naš pristup ka tome.
00:54
The first thing is that the big myth, number one,
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Prva stvar je zapravo veliki mit,
pod jedan,
pod jedan,
00:57
is that in fact it's not really a crime.
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da to zapravo nije
krivično delo.
krivično delo.
00:59
When we get together with friends and family
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Kada se okupimo
sa prijateljima i porodicom
sa prijateljima i porodicom
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and we discuss crime in our country,
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i raspravljamo o kriminalu
u našoj zemlji,
u našoj zemlji,
01:03
crime in Belmont or crime in Diego or crime in Marabella,
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kriminalu u Belmontu ili kriminalu u Dijegu
ili kriminalu u Marabeli,
ili kriminalu u Marabeli,
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nobody's speaking about corruption.
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niko ne govori o korupciji.
01:08
That's the honest truth.
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To je prava istina.
01:10
When the Commissioner of Police comes on TV to talk about crime,
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Kada komesar policije na TV-u
govori o kriminalu,
govori o kriminalu,
01:13
he isn't speaking about corruption.
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on ne priča o korupciji.
01:15
And we know for sure when the Minister of National Security
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A zasigurno znamo
da kada Ministar nacionalne sigurnosti
da kada Ministar nacionalne sigurnosti
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is speaking about crime, he's not talking about corruption either.
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govori o kriminalu,
takođe ne govori o korupciji.
takođe ne govori o korupciji.
01:21
The point I'm making is that it is a crime.
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Poenta jeste da je to
zapravo krivično delo.
zapravo krivično delo.
01:24
It is an economic crime, because we're involving the looting of taxpayers' money.
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U pitanju je privredni kriminal, jer podrazumeva
pljačkanje poreskih obveznika.
pljačkanje poreskih obveznika.
01:28
Public and private corruption is a reality.
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Javna i privatna korupcija
su realnost.
su realnost.
01:31
As somebody who comes from the private sector,
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Kao neko ko dolazi
iz privatnog sektora,
iz privatnog sektora,
01:33
I can tell you there's a massive amount of corruption
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mogu vam reći da u privatnom sektoru
postoji veliki stepen korupcije
postoji veliki stepen korupcije
01:35
in the private sector that has nothing to do with government.
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koji nema nikakve veze
sa vlašću.
sa vlašću.
01:38
The same bribes and backhanders and things that take place under the table,
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Ista podmićivanja, mito
i poslovanja ispod stola,
i poslovanja ispod stola,
01:41
it all takes place in the private sector.
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dešavaju se
i u privatnom sektoru.
i u privatnom sektoru.
01:43
Today, I'm focusing on public sector corruption,
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Danas ću se fokusirati
na korupciju u javnom sektoru,
na korupciju u javnom sektoru,
01:47
which the private sector also participates in.
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u kojem učestvuje
i privatni sektor.
i privatni sektor.
01:50
The second important myth to understand --
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Drugi važan mit
koji je potrebno razumeti -
koji je potrebno razumeti -
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because we have to destroy these myths,
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jer moramo razbiti
ove mitove,
ove mitove,
01:54
dismantle them and destroy them and ridicule them --
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razmontirati, uništiti ih
i rugati im se -
i rugati im se -
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the second important myth to understand
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drugi važan mit
koji je potrebno razumeti
koji je potrebno razumeti
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is the one that says
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je onaj koji kaže
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that in fact corruption is only a small problem --
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da je korupcija zapravo
mali problem -
mali problem -
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if it is a problem, it's only a small problem,
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da ako je problem,
u stvari je mali problem,
u stvari je mali problem,
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that in fact it's only a little 10 or 15 percent,
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da zapravo čini samo
malih 10 ili 15 posto,
malih 10 ili 15 posto,
02:10
it's been going on forever, it probably will continue forever,
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da postoji od davnina i da će se verovatno
nastaviti i u budućnosti
nastaviti i u budućnosti
02:14
and there's no point passing any laws, because there's little we can do about it.
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i da nema nikakvog smisla usvajati zakone,
jer zapravo ne možemo mnogo šta učiniti.
jer zapravo ne možemo mnogo šta učiniti.
02:18
And I want to demonstrate that that, too,
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I želim da demonstriram
da je i to
da je i to
02:20
is a dangerous myth, very dangerous.
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opasan mit, veoma opasan.
02:22
It's a piece of public mischief.
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To je lažno predstavljanje
stvari u javnosti.
stvari u javnosti.
02:25
And I want to speak a little bit,
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I želim da kažem nešto,
02:27
take us back about 30 years.
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o periodu 30 godina unazad.
02:30
We're coming out today from Trinidad and Tobago,
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Mi smo danas
Trinidad i Tobago,
Trinidad i Tobago,
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a resource-rich, small Caribbean country,
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mala karipska zemlja,
bogata resursima
bogata resursima
02:35
and in the early 1970s we had a massive increase in the country's wealth,
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i početkom '70-ih došlo je
do velikog porasta u bogatstvu zemlje,
do velikog porasta u bogatstvu zemlje,
02:40
and that increase was caused by the increase in world oil prices.
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što je prouzrokovano porastom
svetske cene nafte.
svetske cene nafte.
02:43
We call them petrodollars. The treasury was bursting with money.
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Zovemo ih petrodolarima. Državna kasa
je pucala od količine novca.
je pucala od količine novca.
02:46
And it's ironic, because
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Što je ironično
02:50
we're standing today in the Central Bank.
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jer se danas nalazimo
u Centralnoj banci.
u Centralnoj banci.
02:52
You see, history's rich in irony.
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Vidite, istorija je
bogata ironijom.
bogata ironijom.
02:54
We're standing today in the Central Bank,
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Danas se nalazimo
u Centralnoj banci,
u Centralnoj banci,
02:56
and the Central Bank is responsible for a lot of the things I'm going to be speaking about.
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a Centralna banka je odgovorna
za mnoge stvari o kojima ću danas pričati.
za mnoge stvari o kojima ću danas pričati.
02:59
Okay? We're talking about irresponsibility in public office.
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OK? Govorimo o neodgovornosti
državne administracije.
državne administracije.
03:03
We're speaking about the fact that across the terrace,
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Govorimo o činjenici
da je preko puta terase
da je preko puta terase
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the next tower is the Ministry of Finance,
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kula Ministarstva finansija,
03:08
and there's a lot of connection with us today,
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i postoji velika veza
sa nama danas,
sa nama danas,
03:09
so we're speaking within your temple today. Okay?
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pa pričamo unutar
vašeg hrama danas. Ok?
vašeg hrama danas. Ok?
03:12
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
03:17
The first thing I want to talk about is that
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Prva stvar o kojoj želim
da govorim jeste
da govorim jeste
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when all of this money flowed into our country about 40 years ago,
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da kad se sav taj novac slio
u našu zemlju pre oko 40 godina
u našu zemlju pre oko 40 godina
03:23
we embarked, the government of the day embarked
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upustili smo se,
tadašnja vlada se upustila
tadašnja vlada se upustila
03:25
on a series of government-to-government arrangements
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u niz aranžmana
sa drugim vladama
sa drugim vladama
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to have rapidly develop the country.
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kako bi ubrzano
razvili zemlju.
razvili zemlju.
03:29
And some of the largest projects in the country
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I neki od najvećih projekata
u zemlji
u zemlji
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were being constructed through government-to-government arrangements
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su bili dogovoreni
u saradnji sa drugim vladama,
u saradnji sa drugim vladama,
03:35
with some of the leading countries in the world,
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sa nekim od vodećih zemalja
na svetu,
na svetu,
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the United States and Britain and France and so on and so on.
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Sjedinjenim državama, Britanijom,
Francuskom i ostalim.
Francuskom i ostalim.
03:39
As I said, even this building we're standing in -- that's one of the ironies --
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Kao što sam rekao, čak i ova zgrada
u kojoj se nalazimo - to je jedna od ironija -
u kojoj se nalazimo - to je jedna od ironija -
03:42
this building was part of that series of complexes,
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ova zgrada je bila deo
niza velikih kompleksa,
niza velikih kompleksa,
03:44
what they called the Twin Towers.
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koji su zvali
Kulama bliznakinjama.
Kulama bliznakinjama.
03:48
It became so outrageous, the whole situation,
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Cela situacija je postala
toliko sramna,
toliko sramna,
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that in fact a commission of inquiry was appointed,
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da je zapravo formirana
istražna komisija,
istražna komisija,
03:54
and it reported in 1982, 30 years ago it reported --
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koja je izvestila 1982.,
pre 30 godina je izvestila -
pre 30 godina je izvestila -
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the Ballah Report -- 30 years ago,
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Balah izveštaj -
pre 30 godina
pre 30 godina
04:01
and immediately the government-to-government arrangements were stopped.
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i odmah su aranžmani saradnje
sa drugim vladama stopirani.
sa drugim vladama stopirani.
04:05
The then-Prime Minister went to Parliament
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Tadašnji premijer
je otišao u Parlament
je otišao u Parlament
04:06
to give a budget speech, and he said some things that I'll never forget.
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kako bi izvestio o budžetu i rekao je
neke stvari koje nikad neću zaboraviti.
neke stvari koje nikad neću zaboraviti.
04:10
They went right in here. I was a young man at the time.
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Zadržale su se ovde.
Bio sam mladić u to vreme.
Bio sam mladić u to vreme.
04:12
It went right into my heart.
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Reči su ušle
pravo u moje srce.
pravo u moje srce.
04:13
And he said that, in fact — Let me see if this thing works.
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I rekao je da u stvari -
samo da vidim da li ovo radi.
samo da vidim da li ovo radi.
04:18
Are we getting a, yeah?—
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Sve u redu?
04:21
That's what he told us.
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Ovo nam je rekao.
04:23
He told us that, in fact,
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Rekao nam je
da su u stvari,
da su u stvari,
04:27
two out of every three dollars of our petrodollars
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2 od svaka 3
naša petrodolara
naša petrodolara
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that we spent, the taxpayers' money,
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koje smo potrošili,
novac poreskih obveznika,
novac poreskih obveznika,
04:32
was wasted or stolen.
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protraćena
ili ukradena.
ili ukradena.
04:34
So the 10 or 15 percent is pure mischief.
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Tako da je tih 10 ili 15 posto
prava laž.
prava laž.
04:38
As we say, it's a nancy-story. Forget it.
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Rekli smo, to je bajka.
Zaboravi.
Zaboravi.
04:40
That's for little children. We are big people,
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To je za malu decu.
Mi smo odrasli ljudi
Mi smo odrasli ljudi
04:42
and we're trying to deal with what's happening in our society.
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i pokušavamo da se nosimo
sa ovim šta se dešava u našem društvu.
sa ovim šta se dešava u našem društvu.
04:45
Okay? This is the size of the problem.
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OK? To je veličina problema.
04:47
Okay? Two thirds of the money stolen or wasted.
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OK? Dve trećine novca
je ukradeno ili protraćeno.
je ukradeno ili protraćeno.
04:50
That was 30 years ago. 1982 was Ballah.
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To je bilo pre 30 godina.
1982. je bio Balah.
1982. je bio Balah.
04:53
So what has changed?
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Šta se promenilo?
04:55
I don't like to bring up embarrassing secrets
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Ne volim da iznosim
sramotne tajne
sramotne tajne
04:57
to an international audience, but I have to.
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pred međunarodnom publikom,
ali moram.
ali moram.
05:00
Four months ago, we suffered a constitutional outrage in this country.
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Pre četiri meseca pretrpeli smo
ustavnu sramotu u ovoj zemlji.
ustavnu sramotu u ovoj zemlji.
05:03
We call it the Section 34 fiasco, the Section 34 fiasco,
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Zovemo je fijasko Odeljka 34,
fijasko Odeljka 34,
fijasko Odeljka 34,
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a suspicious piece of law, and I'm going to say it like it is,
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sumnjivi zakon i reći ću
kako zapravo stoje stvari,
kako zapravo stoje stvari,
05:11
a suspicious piece of law
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sumnjivi zakon
05:12
was passed at a suspicious time
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koji je usvojen
u sumnjivo vreme
u sumnjivo vreme
05:14
to free some suspects. (Laughter)
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da bi se oslobodili
određeni osumnjičeni. (Smeh)
određeni osumnjičeni. (Smeh)
05:16
And it was called, those people are called
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I zvali su ih,
ti ljudi se zovu
ti ljudi se zovu
05:23
the Piarco Airport accused.
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"optuženi Piarko aerodroma".
05:24
I'm going to have my own lexicon speaking here today.
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Imaću sopstveni rečnik
ovde danas.
ovde danas.
05:27
They are the Piarco Airport accused.
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Oni su "optuženi
Piarko aerodroma".
Piarko aerodroma".
05:29
It was a constitutional outrage of the first order,
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Bila je to ustavna sramota
prvog stepena
prvog stepena
05:32
and I have labeled it the Plot to Pervert Parliament.
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i ja sam je označio kao zaveru
da se izopači parlament.
da se izopači parlament.
05:36
Our highest institution in our country was perverted.
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Naša najviša institucija u zemlji
bila je izopačena.
bila je izopačena.
05:39
We are dealing with perverts here
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Radimo sa izopačenim ljudima ovde
05:41
of an economic and financial nature.
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ekonomske
i finansijske prirode.
i finansijske prirode.
05:43
Do you get how serious this problem is?
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Shvatate koliko je ozbiljan problem?
05:45
There was massive protest. A lot of us in this room
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Došlo je do masovnog protesta.
Puno ljudi u ovoj prostoriji
Puno ljudi u ovoj prostoriji
05:47
took part in the protest in different forms.
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je učestvovalo u tom protestu
na različite načine.
na različite načine.
05:49
Most importantly, the American embassy complained,
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A najvažnije,
američka ambasada se žalila,
američka ambasada se žalila,
05:52
so Parliament was swiftly reconvened,
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pa je parlament
ponovo sazvan
ponovo sazvan
05:55
and the law was reversed, it was repealed.
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i zakon je promenjen,
bio je ukinut.
bio je ukinut.
05:57
That's the word lawyers use. It was repealed.
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To je termin koji pravnici koriste.
Bio je ukinut.
Bio je ukinut.
05:59
But the point is
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Ali poenta je
06:02
that Parliament was outwitted in the whole course of events,
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da je parlament nadmudren
u celoj stvari,
u celoj stvari,
06:05
because what really happened is that,
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jer ono što se u stvari
desilo jeste,
desilo jeste,
06:08
because of the suspicious passage of that law,
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zbog sumnjivog
usvajanja zakona,
usvajanja zakona,
06:11
the law was actually passed into effect
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zakon je zapravo
stupio na snagu
stupio na snagu
06:13
on the weekend we celebrated our 50th anniversary of independence,
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za vikend kad smo slavili
50. godišnjicu nezavisnosti,
50. godišnjicu nezavisnosti,
06:17
our jubilee of independence.
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naš jubilej nezavisnosti.
06:18
So that is the kind of outrage of the thing.
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To je zapravo sramota
cele stvari.
cele stvari.
06:20
It was kind of a nasty way to get maturation, but we got it,
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Bio je to gnusan način da sazrimo,
ali smo uspeli,
ali smo uspeli,
06:24
because we all understood it,
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jer smo svi shvatili
06:25
and for the first time that I could remember,
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i po prvi put od kad sam
mogao da se setim,
mogao da se setim,
06:27
there were mass protests against this corruption.
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došlo je do masovnih protesta
protiv ove korupcije.
protiv ove korupcije.
06:31
And that gave me a lot of hope. Okay?
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I to mi je dalo
puno nade. OK?
puno nade. OK?
06:33
Those of us who are, sometimes you feel like
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Ponekad se osećaš
06:35
you're a little bit on your own doing some of this work.
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kao da si sam i da
sve to radiš sam.
sve to radiš sam.
06:38
That passage of the law and the repeal of the law
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Usvajanje i kasnije
ukidanje tog zakona
ukidanje tog zakona
06:41
fortified the case of the Piarco Airport accused.
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potvrdio je slučaj
"optuženih Piarko aerodroma".
"optuženih Piarko aerodroma".
06:45
So it was one of those really superior double bluff kind of things that took place.
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Tako da je to zapravo bio dupli blef,
ta situacija do koje je došlo.
ta situacija do koje je došlo.
06:50
But what were they accused of?
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Ali zašto su oni bili optuženi?
06:52
What was it that they were accused of?
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Šta je to bilo
da su bili optuženi?
da su bili optuženi?
06:53
I'm being a bit mysterious for those of you out there. What were they accused of?
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Malo sam misteriozan za vas koji ste ovde.
Zašto su bili optuženi?
Zašto su bili optuženi?
06:56
We were trying to build, or reconstruct largely,
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Pokušali smo da izgradimo
ili da u velikom delu rekonstruišemo
ili da u velikom delu rekonstruišemo
06:59
an airport that had grown outdated.
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zastareli aerodrom.
07:01
The entire project cost about 1.6 billion dollars,
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Ceo projekat je koštao
1,6 milijardi dolara,
1,6 milijardi dolara,
07:05
Trinidad and Tobago dollars,
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Trinidad i Tobago dolara,
07:08
and in fact, we had a lot of bid-rigging
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i u stvari imali smo dosta
nameštanja ponuda,
nameštanja ponuda,
07:11
and suspicious activity, corrupt activity took place.
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sumnjivih aktivnosti,
koruptivnih aktivnosti.
koruptivnih aktivnosti.
07:14
And to get an idea of what it consisted of,
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I da biste dobili celu sliku,
07:18
and to put it in context in relationship to this whole
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i sve to stavili u kontekst i vezu
07:21
second myth about it being no big thing,
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sa drugim mitom
da to nije velika stvar,
da to nije velika stvar,
07:24
we can look at this second slide here.
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možemo da pogledamo
drugi slajd ovde.
drugi slajd ovde.
07:26
And what we have here -- I am not saying so,
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I šta imamo ovde
- to ne kažem ja,
- to ne kažem ja,
07:30
this is the Director of Public Prosecutions in a written statement. He said so.
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ovo su reči direktora Javnog tužilaštva
u njegovom izveštaju. On je tako rekao.
u njegovom izveštaju. On je tako rekao.
07:35
And he's telling us that for the $1.6 billion cost of the project,
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I kaže nam da je od projekta
vrednog 1,6 milijardi dolara
vrednog 1,6 milijardi dolara
07:39
one billion dollars has been traced
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jedna milijarda pronađena
07:42
to offshore bank accounts.
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na računima ofšor banaka.
07:43
One billion dollars of our taxpayers' money
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Jedna milijarda novca
poreskih obveznika
poreskih obveznika
07:45
has been located in offshore bank accounts.
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je pronađena
na računima ofšor banaka.
na računima ofšor banaka.
07:49
Being the kind of suspicious person I am,
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Kako sam inače
sumnjičava osoba,
sumnjičava osoba,
07:51
I am outraged at that, and I'm going to pause here,
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zgrožen sam time,
i napraviću pauzu ovde,
i napraviću pauzu ovde,
07:54
I'm going to pause now and again and bring in different things.
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napraviću pauzu s vremena na vreme
i istaknuti različite stvari.
i istaknuti različite stvari.
07:56
I'm going to pause here and bring in something I saw
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Napraviću pauzu ovde
i podeliti nešto što sam video
i podeliti nešto što sam video
07:58
in November last year at Wall Street. I was at Zuccotti Park.
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novembra prošle godine na Vol stritu.
Bio sam u Zukoti parku.
Bio sam u Zukoti parku.
08:02
It was autumn. It was cool. It was damp. It was getting dark.
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Bila je jesen i bilo je hladno.
Vlažno je bilo i padao je mrak.
Vlažno je bilo i padao je mrak.
08:06
And I was walking around with the protesters
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Šetao sam sa ljudima
koji su protestovali
koji su protestovali
08:08
looking at the One Wall Street, Occupy Wall Street movement walking around.
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posmatrajući One Wall Street,
Occupy Wall Street pokret.
Occupy Wall Street pokret.
08:12
And there was a lady with a sign, a very simple sign,
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I video sam gospođu
sa natpisom, jednostavnim,
sa natpisom, jednostavnim,
08:14
a kind of battered-looking blonde lady,
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nekako izmučena plava gospođa,
08:17
and the sign was made out of Bristol board, as we say in these parts,
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natpis je bio od kartona
08:20
and it was made with a marker.
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i bio je ispisan markerom.
08:22
And what it said on that sign hit me right in the center.
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I ono što je bilo napisano
me je pogodilo do srži.
me je pogodilo do srži.
08:24
It said, "If you're not outraged, you haven't been paying attention."
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Pisalo je: ''Ako nisi zaprepašćen,
nisi obraćao pažnju.''
nisi obraćao pažnju.''
08:29
If you're not outraged by all of this, you haven't been paying attention.
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Ako te sve ovo nije zaprepastilo,
nisi obraćao pažnju.
nisi obraćao pažnju.
08:32
So listen up, because we're getting into even deeper waters.
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Slušajte sad,
jer ulazimo u dublje vode.
jer ulazimo u dublje vode.
08:36
My brain started thinking.
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Moj mozak je počeo
da razmišlja.
da razmišlja.
08:38
Well, what if --
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Šta ako -
08:41
because I'm suspicious like that. I read a lot of spy novels and stuff.
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jer sam sumnijičav inače.
Čitam dosta špijunskih romana.
Čitam dosta špijunskih romana.
08:44
What if -- (Laughter)
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Šta ako -
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
08:46
But to make it in these wrongs,
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Ali da biste uspeli
u ovom zlodelu,
u ovom zlodelu,
08:48
you have to read a lot of spy novels
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morate da čitate
dosta takvih romana,
dosta takvih romana,
08:50
and follow some of that stuff, right? (Laughter)
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i ispratite neke od tih stvari,
zar ne? (Smeh)
zar ne? (Smeh)
08:52
But what if this wasn't the first time?
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Ali šta ako ovo
nije bilo prvi put?
nije bilo prvi put?
08:57
What if this is just the first time
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Šta ako je to
samo prvi put
samo prvi put
09:00
that the so-and-sos had been caught?
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da su taj i taj uhvaćeni?
09:02
What if it had happened before? How would I find out?
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Šta ako se desilo ranije?
Kako bih inače to saznao?
Kako bih inače to saznao?
09:07
Now, the previous two examples I gave
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Prethodna dva primera
koja sam dao
koja sam dao
09:10
were to do with construction sector corruption, okay?
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su se odnosila na korupciju
u građevinskom sektoru, OK?
u građevinskom sektoru, OK?
09:14
And I have the privilege at this time
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Ja sad imam privilegiju
09:16
to lead the Joint Consultative Council, which is a not-for-profit.
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da vodim neprofitnu organizaciju zvanu
Savet zajedničke inicijative.
Savet zajedničke inicijative.
09:19
We're at jcc.org.tt, and we have the -- we are the leaders
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Naš sajt je jcc.org.tt,
i mi smo lideri
i mi smo lideri
09:23
in the struggle to produce a new public procurement system
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u borbi za izgradnju
novog sistema javnih nabavki
novog sistema javnih nabavki
09:26
about how public money is transacted.
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i toga kako se
javni novac koristi.
javni novac koristi.
09:28
So those of you interested in finding out more about it,
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Za one od vas koji su zainteresovani
da saznaju više o tome
da saznaju više o tome
09:30
or joining us or signing up on any of our petitions, please get involved.
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ili da nam se pridruže ili potpišu neku od naših peticija, molim vas da se uključite.
09:34
But I'm going to segue to another thing that relates,
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Ali preći ću na
drugu sličnu temu,
drugu sličnu temu,
09:37
because one of my private campaigns I've been conducting
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zbog jedne od mojih
privatnih kampanja,
privatnih kampanja,
09:39
for over three and a half years
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koju vodim
već više od tri i po godine
već više od tri i po godine
09:42
is for transparency and accountability
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i koja se odnosi na transparentnost
i odgovornost
i odgovornost
09:44
around the bailout of CL Financial.
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vezane za spasavanje od bankrota
kompanije CL Fajnenšl.
kompanije CL Fajnenšl.
09:47
CL Financial is the Caribbean's largest ever conglomerate, okay?
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CL Fajnenšel je najveći karipski konglomerat
svih vremena, ok?
svih vremena, ok?
09:52
And without getting into all of the details,
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I bez ulaženja
u sve detalje,
u sve detalje,
09:55
it is said to have collapsed — I'm using my words very carefully —
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navodno je propao -
biram svoje reči vrlo pažljivo -
biram svoje reči vrlo pažljivo -
09:58
it's said to have collapsed in January of '09,
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navodno je propao
u januaru 2009. godine,
u januaru 2009. godine,
10:01
which is just coming up to nearly four years.
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što je sada
već skoro četiri godine.
već skoro četiri godine.
10:05
In an unprecedented fit of generosity --
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U nezapamćenom
izlivu velikodušnosti -
izlivu velikodušnosti -
10:08
and you have to be very suspicious about these people --
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a morate biti veoma sumnjičavi
kad su ovi ljudi u pitanju -
kad su ovi ljudi u pitanju -
10:10
in an unprecedented — and I'm using that word carefully —
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u nezapamćenom -
koristim pažljivo ovu reč -
koristim pažljivo ovu reč -
10:13
unprecedented fit of generosity, the government of the day
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nezapamćenom izlivu velikodušnosti,
tadašnja vlada je potpisala,
tadašnja vlada je potpisala,
10:17
signed, made a written commitment, to repay all of the creditors.
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pismeno se obavezala
da vrati sve dugove poveriocima.
da vrati sve dugove poveriocima.
10:20
And I can tell you without fear of contradiction
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I mogu vam reći bez straha
da budem kontradiktoran,
da budem kontradiktoran,
10:23
that hasn't happened anywhere else on the planet.
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ovo se nije desilo
nigde na planeti.
nigde na planeti.
10:26
Let's understand, because we lack context.
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Da probamo da razumemo,
nedostaje nam kontekst.
nedostaje nam kontekst.
10:28
People are telling us it's just like Wall Street. It's not just like Wall Street.
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Ljudi nam govore da je isto kao na Vol Stritu.
Nije kao Vol Strit.
Nije kao Vol Strit.
10:31
Trinidad and Tobago is like a place with different laws of physics or biology or something.
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Trinidad i Tobago je izgleda mesto
sa drugačijim zakonima fizike ili biologije.
sa drugačijim zakonima fizike ili biologije.
10:35
It's not just like anywhere. (Applause)
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Nije kao u ostalim delovima sveta.
(Aplauz)
(Aplauz)
10:40
It's not just like anywhere. It's not just like anywhere.
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Nije kao na drugim mestima sveta.
Prosto nije.
Prosto nije.
10:45
Here is here, and out there is out there. Okay?
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Ovo je ovde,
a tamo je tamo. OK?
a tamo je tamo. OK?
10:48
I'm serious now.
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Ozbiljan sam sad.
10:49
Listen. They've had bailouts on Wall Street.
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Slušajte. Imali su finansijska spašavanja
i na Vol Stritu.
i na Vol Stritu.
10:52
They've had bailouts in London.
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Imali su ih i u Londonu.
10:54
They've had bailouts in Europe.
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Bilo ih je u Evropi.
10:56
In Africa, they've had bailouts. In Nigeria, six of the major
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U Africi, bilo je
finansijskih spašavanja.
finansijskih spašavanja.
10:59
commercial banks collapsed at the same time as ours, eh?
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U Nigeriji šest najvećih banaka je doživelo
kolaps u isto vreme, je l' tako?
kolaps u isto vreme, je l' tako?
11:02
It's interesting to parallel how the Nigerian experience has --
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Interesantno je napraviti paralelu
sa nigerijskim iskustvom
sa nigerijskim iskustvom
11:04
how they've treated it, and they've treated it
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i kako su oni to sredili,
mnogo bolje
mnogo bolje
11:06
very well compared to us.
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u poređenju
sa nama.
sa nama.
11:08
Nowhere on the planet
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Nigde na planeti
11:10
have all the creditors been bailed out
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nisu svi poverioci isplaćeni
11:13
in excess of what their statutory entitlements were.
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više od onog
što im je zakonski pripadalo.
što im je zakonski pripadalo.
11:15
Only here. So what was the reason for the generosity?
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Samo ovde. Pa šta je bio razlog
za ovu velikodušnu isplatu?
za ovu velikodušnu isplatu?
11:19
Is our government that generous? And maybe they are.
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Je li naša vlada toliko darežljiva?
Možda i jeste.
Možda i jeste.
11:21
Let's look at it. Let's look into it.
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Hajde da vidimo.
11:23
So I started digging and writing and so and so on,
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Počeo da istažujem
i da pišem
i da pišem
11:26
and that work can be found, my personal work
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i taj ceo posao
možete naći
možete naći
11:28
can be found at AfraRaymond.com, which is my name.
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na sajtu AfraRaymond.com,
što je moje ime.
što je moje ime.
11:31
It's a not-for-profit blog that I run.
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Neprofitni blog koji pišem.
11:34
Not as popular as some of the other people, but there you go.
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Nije tako popularan kao od nekih ljudi,
ali šta da radim.
ali šta da radim.
11:37
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:39
But the point is that the bitter experience of Section 34,
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Ali poenta je da me je
to gorko iskustvo Odeljka 34,
to gorko iskustvo Odeljka 34,
11:44
that plot to pervert Parliament, that bitter experience
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zavere da se opstruira Parlament,
to gorko iskustvo
to gorko iskustvo
11:46
that took place in August,
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koje se dogodilo u avgustu,
11:49
when we were supposed to be celebrating our independence,
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kada smo trebali da proslavimo
našu nezavisnost,
našu nezavisnost,
11:52
going into September, forced me to check myself
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nateralo da u septembru
promislim,
promislim,
11:57
and recalculate my bearings,
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da revidiram moj stav,
11:59
and to go back into some of the work, some of the stuff I'd written
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i vratim se na stvari
koje sam napisao,
koje sam napisao,
12:01
and some of the exchanges I'd had with the officials
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i razmenu koju sam imao
sa zvaničnicima
sa zvaničnicima
12:03
to see what was really what.
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i da vidim
o čemu se zapravo radi.
o čemu se zapravo radi.
12:05
As we say in Trinidad and Tobago, who is who and what is what?
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Kako kažemo kod nas,
da vidim ko je ko i šta je šta?
da vidim ko je ko i šta je šta?
12:09
Okay? We want to try to recalculate.
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OK? Želimo
da se preračunamo.
da se preračunamo.
12:11
And I made a Freedom of Information application
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I podneo sam zahtev u skladu
sa Zakonom o slobodi informacija
sa Zakonom o slobodi informacija
12:14
in May this year to the Ministry of Finance.
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Ministarstvu finansija,
u maju ove godine.
u maju ove godine.
12:17
The Ministry of Finance is the next tower over.
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Ministarstvo finansija
je sledeća kula pored.
je sledeća kula pored.
12:20
This is the other context.
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To je drugi kontekst.
12:21
The Ministry of Finance, we are told,
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Kako nam je rečeno,
Ministarstvo finansija
Ministarstvo finansija
12:23
is subject to the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.
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podleže odredbama Zakona
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama.
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama.
12:27
I'm going to take you through a worked example of whether that's really so.
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Provešću vas kroz primer
da li je to zapravo tako.
da li je to zapravo tako.
12:30
The Central Bank in which we stand this morning
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Centralna banka
u kojoj se jutros nalazimo
u kojoj se jutros nalazimo
12:33
is immune from the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.
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je izuzeta od odredbi Zakona
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama.
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama.
12:37
So in fact, you can't ask them anything,
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Tako da ih možete pitati
bilo šta,
bilo šta,
12:39
and they don't have to answer anything.
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a oni ne moraju
da vam odgovore.
da vam odgovore.
12:41
That is the law since 1999.
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Ovaj zakon je na snazi
od 1999. godine.
od 1999. godine.
12:44
So I plunged into this struggle, and I asked four questions.
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Ipak sam ušao u borbu
i postavio četiri pitanja.
i postavio četiri pitanja.
12:47
And I'll relate the questions to you in the short form with the reply,
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Predstaviću vam pitanja ukratko,
zajedno sa odgovorom,
zajedno sa odgovorom,
12:51
so you could understand, as I said, where we are.
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kako biste mogli razumeti, kao što sam rekao,
gde se nalazimo.
gde se nalazimo.
12:54
Here is not like anywhere else.
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Ovde nije
kao na drugim mestima.
kao na drugim mestima.
12:55
Question number one:
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Prvo pitanje:
12:58
I asked to see the accounts of CL Financial,
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tražio sam da vidim
račune firme CL Fajnenšel,
račune firme CL Fajnenšel,
13:01
and if you can't show me the accounts --
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a ako ne možete
da mi pokažete račune -
da mi pokažete račune -
13:03
the Minister of Finance is making statements,
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ministar finansija
daje izjave,
daje izjave,
13:05
passing new laws and giving speeches and so on.
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usvaja zakone,
drži govore, itd.
drži govore, itd.
13:08
What are the figures he's relying on?
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Na koje se brojke
on zapravo oslanja?
on zapravo oslanja?
13:10
It's like that joke: I want whatever he's drinking.
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To je kao onaj vic:
uzeću ono što on pije.
uzeću ono što on pije.
13:13
And they wrote back and said to me,
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I odgovorili su mi,
13:14
well what do you really mean?
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na šta zapravo mislite?
13:16
So they hit my question with a question.
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Odgovorili su na moje pitanje,
pitanjem.
pitanjem.
13:18
Second point: I want to see
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Druga tačka:
želim da vidim
želim da vidim
13:21
who are the creditors of the group who have been repaid?
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ko su poverioci
grupe koja je bila isplaćena?
grupe koja je bila isplaćena?
13:25
Let me pause here to point out to you all
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Napraviću pauzu
da bih vam rekao
da bih vam rekao
13:27
that 24 billion dollars of our money has been spent on this.
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da je 24 milijarde dolara našeg novca
bilo potrošeno na ovo.
bilo potrošeno na ovo.
13:31
That is about three and a half billion U.S. dollars
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To je otprilike oko tri i po milijarde
američkih dolara
američkih dolara
13:33
coming out of a small -- we used to be resource-rich --
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male karipske zemlje,
nekad bogate resursima.
nekad bogate resursima.
13:37
Caribbean country. Okay?
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OK?
13:39
And I asked the question,
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I postavio sam pitanje,
13:41
who was getting that three and a half billion dollars?
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ko dobija
te tri i po milijarde dolara?
te tri i po milijarde dolara?
13:45
And I want to pause again to bring up context,
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Želim opet da napravim pauzu
da stavim stvari u kontekst,
da stavim stvari u kontekst,
13:47
because context helps us to get clarity understanding this thing.
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jer nam on pomaže
da jasnije razumemo stvari.
da jasnije razumemo stvari.
13:50
There's a particular individual who is in the government now.
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Postoji jedna osoba
koja je trenutno u vladi.
koja je trenutno u vladi.
13:53
The name of the person doesn't matter.
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Ime te osobe nije bitno.
13:55
And that person made a career
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I ta osoba
je napravila karijeru
je napravila karijeru
13:57
out of using the Freedom of Information Act
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koristeći Zakon
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama,
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama,
14:00
to advance his political cause.
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kako bi politčki napredovao.
14:02
Okay? His name isn't important.
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OK? Njegovo ime
nije bitno.
nije bitno.
14:05
I wouldn't dignify it. I'm on a point.
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Ne zaslužuje da se imenuje.
Želim da napravim poentu.
Želim da napravim poentu.
14:07
The point is, that person made a career out of using
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Poenta jeste, da je ta osoba
napravila karijeru koristeći
napravila karijeru koristeći
14:10
the Freedom of Information Act to advance his cause.
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Zakon o slobodnom pristupu informacijama
radi sopstvenog napretka.
radi sopstvenog napretka.
14:13
And the most famous case
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I najpoznatiji slučaj
14:15
was what we came to call the Secret Scholarship Scandal,
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je bio kad smo razotkrili
skandal skivenih školarina,
skandal skivenih školarina,
14:18
where in fact there was about 60 million dollars in government money
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gde se zapravo oko 60 miliona dolara
državnog novca
državnog novca
14:21
that had been dispersed in a series of scholarships,
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delilo na različite školarine,
14:24
and the scholarships hadn't been advertised, and so and so on and so on.
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koje nisu ni bile
javno objavljene, itd.
javno objavljene, itd.
14:26
And he was able to get the court, using that act of Parliament,
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I on je uspeo da dođe do suda,
koristeći taj zakon,
koristeći taj zakon,
14:29
Freedom of Information Act,
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Zakon o slobodnom
pristupu informacijama,
pristupu informacijama,
14:31
to release the information,
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da objavi sve te informacije
14:33
and I thought that was excellent.
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i ja sam pomislio
kako je to odlično.
kako je to odlično.
14:36
Fantastic.
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Fantastično.
14:40
But you see, the question is this:
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Ali vidite,
pitanje je ovo:
pitanje je ovo:
14:41
If it's right and proper for us to use the Freedom of Information Act
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ako mi možemo da se pozivamo
na Zakon o slobodnom pristupu informacijama
na Zakon o slobodnom pristupu informacijama
14:46
and to use the court
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i da koristimo sud
14:49
to force a disclosure about 60 million dollars in public money,
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kako bi se razotkrilo korišćenje
oko 60 miliona državnog novca,
oko 60 miliona državnog novca,
14:54
it must be right and proper
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trebalo bi da možemo
14:56
for us to force a disclosure about 24 billion dollars.
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da razotkrijemo korišćenje
te 24 milijarde dolara.
te 24 milijarde dolara.
15:00
You see? But the Ministry of Finance,
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Vidite?
Ali Ministarstvo finansija,
Ali Ministarstvo finansija,
15:03
the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Finance,
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Stalni sekretar
Ministarstva finansija,
Ministarstva finansija,
15:04
wrote me and said to me, that information is exempt too.
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mi je odgovorio da je ta informacija
takođe izuzeta od objavljivanja.
takođe izuzeta od objavljivanja.
15:07
You see? This is what we're dealing with, okay?
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Vidite? Sa ovim
imamo posla, ok?
imamo posla, ok?
15:10
The third thing I will tell you
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Treća stvar
koju ću vam reći
koju ću vam reći
15:12
is that I also asked
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jeste da sam
takođe pitao
takođe pitao
15:15
for the directors of CL Financial,
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za direktore CL Fajnenšela,
15:18
whether in fact they were making filings under our Integrity in Public Life Act.
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da li su u stvari davali izveštaje u skladu
sa Zakonom o integritetu u javnom životu.
sa Zakonom o integritetu u javnom životu.
15:23
We have an Integrity in Public Life Act
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Imamo Zakon o integritetu
u javnom životu,
u javnom životu,
15:24
as part of our framework supposed to safeguard the nation's interest.
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kao deo zakonskog okvira
koji treba da štiti nacionalni interes.
koji treba da štiti nacionalni interes.
15:29
And public officials are supposed to file
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I zvaničnici su u obavezi
da podnose
da podnose
15:31
to say what it is they have in terms of assets and liabilities.
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izveštaj o ličnoj imovini.
15:38
And of course I've since discovered that they're not filing,
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Naravno, tad sam otkrio
da to ne rade,
da to ne rade,
15:40
and in fact the Minister of Finance has not even asked them to file.
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pa čak i da Ministar finansija
nije to tražio od njih.
nije to tražio od njih.
15:43
So here we have it. We have a situation where
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Tu smo. Imamo situaciju
gde se
gde se
15:48
the basic safeguards of integrity and accountability
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osnovne garancije
integriteta i odgovornosti
integriteta i odgovornosti
15:53
and transparency have all been discarded.
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i transparentnosti
ne poštuju.
ne poštuju.
15:55
I've asked the question in the legal and required fashion.
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Postavio sam pitanje
na zakonski i ispravan način.
na zakonski i ispravan način.
15:57
It's been ignored.
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Ignorisano je.
16:00
The sort of thing that motivated us around Section 34,
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Ono što nas je motivisalo
u vezi sa Odeljkom 34,
u vezi sa Odeljkom 34,
16:03
we need to continue to work on that. We can't forget it.
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moramo da nastavimo sa tim.
Ne smemo da zaboravimo.
Ne smemo da zaboravimo.
16:05
I have defined this as the single largest expenditure in the country's history.
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Podveo sam ovo pod najveći trošak
u istoriji zemlje.
u istoriji zemlje.
16:09
It's also the single largest example
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Takođe je prema ovoj jednačini,
najveći primer
najveći primer
16:12
of public corruption according to this equation.
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javne korupcije.
16:17
And this is my reality check.
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A ovo je moje otvaranje očiju.
16:20
Where you have an expenditure of public money
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Gde god da imate
trošenje državnog novca
trošenje državnog novca
16:22
and it is without accountability
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bez ikakve odgovornosti
16:25
and it's without transparency,
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na netransparentan način,
16:27
it will always be equal to corruption,
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biće uvek jednako korupciji,
16:29
whether you're in Russia or Nigeria or Alaska,
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bez obzira da li živite u Rusiji,
Nigeriji ili na Aljasci,
Nigeriji ili na Aljasci,
16:32
it will always be equal to corruption, and that is what we are dealing with here.
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uvek će biti jednako korupciji
i to je ono sa čim se mi ovde nosimo.
i to je ono sa čim se mi ovde nosimo.
16:36
I'm going to continue the work
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Nastaviću da radim,
16:39
to press on, to get some resolution
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da vršim pritisak,
kako bih dobio neke odgovore
kako bih dobio neke odgovore
16:43
of those matters at the Ministry of Finance.
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na ova pitanja
od Ministarstva finansija.
od Ministarstva finansija.
16:45
If it is I have to go to court personally, I will do that.
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Ako moram ja lično
da idem na sud, ići ću.
da idem na sud, ići ću.
16:47
We will continue to press on.
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Nastavićemo da vršimo pritisak.
16:48
We will continue to work within JCC.
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Nastavićemo da radimo
u okviru JCC (Savet zajedničke inicijative).
u okviru JCC (Savet zajedničke inicijative).
16:50
But I want to step back from the Trinidad and Tobago context
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Ali želim malo da izađem
iz konteksta Trinidad i Tobaga
iz konteksta Trinidad i Tobaga
16:53
and bring something new to the table
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i nešto novo izložim,
16:55
in terms of an international example.
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u vidu međunarodnog primera.
16:57
We had the journalist [Heather] Brooke speaking
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Bila je novinarka
(Heder) Bruk, koja je govorila
(Heder) Bruk, koja je govorila
17:00
about her battle against government corruption,
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o svojoj borbi
protiv državne korupcije
protiv državne korupcije
17:02
and she introduced me to this website, Alaveteli.com.
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i ona me je upoznala sa sajtom,
Alaveteli.com.
Alaveteli.com.
17:07
And Alaveteli.com is a way for us to have an open database
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Alaveteli.com je način
da imamo otvorenu bazu
da imamo otvorenu bazu
17:12
for Freedom of Information applications,
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za podnošenje zahteva po osnovu Zakona
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama
o slobodnom pristupu informacijama
17:15
and speak with each other.
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i da pričamo
jedni sa drugima.
jedni sa drugima.
17:17
I could see what you're applying for.
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Mogu da vidim
kakve zahteve podnosite.
kakve zahteve podnosite.
17:19
You could see what I applied for and what replies I got.
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Vi možete da vidite šta sam ja podneo
i koje odgovore sam dobio.
i koje odgovore sam dobio.
17:23
We can work on it together. We need to build a collective database
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Možemo da radimo zajedno na tome.
Moramo da napravimo zajedničku bazu
Moramo da napravimo zajedničku bazu
17:26
and a collective understanding of where we are to go to the next point.
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i da imamo zajednički stav gde smo
i šta nam je sledeći korak.
i šta nam je sledeći korak.
17:29
We need to increase the consciousness.
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Moramo da podignemo svest.
17:31
The final thing I want to say is in relation to this one,
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Zadnja stvar koju želim da kažem
je u vezi sa ovim sajtom,
je u vezi sa ovim sajtom,
17:35
which is a lovely website from India
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jednim simpatičnim indijskim sajtom,
17:36
called IPaidABribe.com.
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koji se zove
IPaidABribe.com.
IPaidABribe.com.
17:39
They have international branches,
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Imaju međunarodnu mrežu,
17:41
and it's important for us to tune into this one.
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i važno je za nas
da se uključimo u ovo.
da se uključimo u ovo.
17:43
IPaidABribe.com is really important,
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IPaidABribe.com (dao sam mito)
je vrlo važan sajt,
je vrlo važan sajt,
17:46
a good one to log on to and see.
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toliko da odete i proverite.
17:48
I'm going to pause there. I'm going to ask you for your courage.
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Napraviću pauzu ovde.
Tražiću od vas malo hrabrosti.
Tražiću od vas malo hrabrosti.
17:51
Discard the first myth; it is a crime.
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Odbacite prvi mit;
to jeste krivično delo.
to jeste krivično delo.
17:53
Discard the second myth; it is a big thing.
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Odbacite drugi mit;
to jeste velika stvar.
to jeste velika stvar.
17:55
It's a huge problem. It's an economic crime.
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To je veliki problem.
U pitanju je privredni kriminal.
U pitanju je privredni kriminal.
17:58
And let us continue working together
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I hajde da zajedno radimo,
18:00
to betterment in this situation,
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da doprinesmo
18:01
stability and sustainability in our society. Thank you.
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stabilnosti i održivosti našeg društva.
Hvala vam.
Hvala vam.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Afra Raymond - Transparency activistA leading expert in the fields of property valuation and project management, Afra Raymond is battling the government corruption rampant in his country, Trinidad and Tobago.
Why you should listen
Afra Raymond calls out government corruption, demanding more transparency and accountability from the leaders of Trinidad and Tobago. His work in recent years has focused on the CL Financial collapse of 2009 and subsequent government bailout, which Raymond says operated “with different laws of physics” than bailouts of financial institutions in other countries. Writing on topics like white-collar crime, good governance and national development, Raymond shows that corruption shouldn't be a given. He wrote the column “Property Matters” in The Business Guardian from 2004 through 2012. Now, he writes on his own website, AfraRaymond.com.
Raymond looks at corruption through his lens as an expert in the fields of property valuation, project appraisal, development planning and management. He is a Chartered Surveyor and Managing Director of Raymond & Pierre Limited and was elected a Fellow of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) in January 2011. He has served on a number of Boards in various positions including Executive Member of the Federation of Black Housing Organizations (FBHO) in London, Board member of the Trinidad Building & Loan Association (TBLA), Director of EPL Properties Limited (EPL), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Eastern Credit Union (ECU) and Immediate Past-President of the Institute of Surveyors of Trinidad & Tobago (ISTT).
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