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Greg Gage: How to control someone else's arm with your brain
格雷格·盖奇: 如何用你的大脑控制他人的手臂
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格雷格·盖奇希望让人们都能接触了解脑神经科学。在这个有趣，略带诡异的实验演示中，这位脑神经科学家，TED高级研究员，使用一个简单，廉价的DIY工具组，剥夺了一位观众的自由意志。这不是一个室内魔术；它真的发生了。你只有亲眼所见才会相信。
Greg Gage - Neuroscientist
TED Fellow Greg Gage helps kids investigate the neuroscience in their own backyards. Full bio
TED Fellow Greg Gage helps kids investigate the neuroscience in their own backyards. Full bio
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00:14
The brain is an amazing and complex organ.
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大脑是个很神奇又复杂的器官。
00:17
And while many people
are fascinated by the brain,
are fascinated by the brain,
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尽管很多人都对大脑十分着迷，
他们却讲不出太多关于大脑的特征，
00:20
they can't really tell you that much
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以及它是怎样工作的，
00:21
about the properties
about how the brain works
about how the brain works
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因为学校没有神经科学的课。
00:24
because we don't teach
neuroscience in schools.
neuroscience in schools.
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00:26
And one of the reasons
why is that the equipment
why is that the equipment
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其中一个原因就是
00:28
is so complex and so expensive
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相应的设备太复杂又太昂贵，
00:31
that it's really only done at major
universities and large institutions.
universities and large institutions.
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这些研究只有在高等学府
和大型研究机构才能进行。
和大型研究机构才能进行。
00:35
And so in order to be able
to access the brain,
to access the brain,
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所以为了能够接触到大脑，
00:37
you really need to dedicate your life
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你几乎需要奉献终生，
00:39
and spend six and a half years
as a graduate student
as a graduate student
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花六年半的时间在研究生院学习，
00:42
just to become a neuroscientist
to get access to these tools.
to get access to these tools.
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只为了成为神经科学家
好能够使用那些设备。
好能够使用那些设备。
00:45
And that's a shame
because one out of five of us,
because one out of five of us,
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很遗憾的是，
我们每五个人当中就有一个，
我们每五个人当中就有一个，
00:47
that's 20 percent of the entire world,
will have a neurological disorder.
will have a neurological disorder.
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也就是全球人口的20%
会受神经性失调的困扰。
会受神经性失调的困扰。
00:51
And there are zero cures
for these diseases.
for these diseases.
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然而还没有任何方法能治愈这些疾病。
00:54
And so it seems that
what we should be doing
what we should be doing
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这么看来，我们应当
00:57
is reaching back earlier
in the eduction process
in the eduction process
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从教育的更早期阶段开始
00:59
and teaching students about neuroscience
so that in the future,
so that in the future,
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就传授给学生神经科学的知识，
这样在将来，
这样在将来，
01:04
they may be thinking about possibly
becoming a brain scientist.
becoming a brain scientist.
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他们或许会考虑成为脑神经科学家。
当我还是一名研究生的时候，
就与同实验室的 Tim Marzullo 决定，
就与同实验室的 Tim Marzullo 决定，
01:08
When I was a graduate student,
my lab mate Tim Marzullo and myself,
my lab mate Tim Marzullo and myself,
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01:11
decided that what if we took
this complex equipment that we have
this complex equipment that we have
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将我们现在研究大脑用的复杂仪器
01:15
for studying the brain and made it simple
enough and affordable enough
enough and affordable enough
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进行简化，价格能足够亲民，
01:19
that anyone that you know, an amateur
or a high school student,
or a high school student,
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让任何人，
从神经科学爱好者到高中生，
从神经科学爱好者到高中生，
01:22
could learn and actually participate
in the discovery of neuroscience.
in the discovery of neuroscience.
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都能够学习并参与到
探索神经科学的过程当中。
探索神经科学的过程当中。
01:25
And so we did just that.
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于是我们这样做了。
01:27
A few years ago, we started
a company called Backyard Brains
a company called Backyard Brains
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几年前，我们成立了一家
名叫 Backyard Brains (大脑后院) 的公司，
名叫 Backyard Brains (大脑后院) 的公司，
01:30
and we make DIY neuroscience equipment
and I brought some here tonight,
and I brought some here tonight,
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主要生产DIY的神经科学仪器，
我今天带来了一些，
我今天带来了一些，
01:34
and I want to do some demonstrations.
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打算为大家做现场的演示。
01:37
You guys want to see some?
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你们想看吗？
01:38
So I need a volunteer.
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我需要一个志愿者。
01:41
So right before -- what is your name?
(Applause)
(Applause)
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首先—— 你叫什么名字？
（掌声）
（掌声）
01:44
Sam Kelly: Sam.
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Sam Kelly: Sam。
01:45
Greg Gage: All right, Sam, I'm going
to record from your brain.
to record from your brain.
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Greg Gage：很好，Sam，
我接下来要记录你的脑部活动了。
我接下来要记录你的脑部活动了。
01:48
Have you had this before?
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你以前做过这个实验吗？
01:49
SK: No.
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SK：没有。
01:50
GG: I need you to stick out
your arm for science,
your arm for science,
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GG：我需要你为了科学伸出胳膊，
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roll up your sleeve a bit,
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稍微卷起你的袖子，
01:54
So what I'm going to do,
I'm putting electrodes on your arm,
I'm putting electrodes on your arm,
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我接下来要做的，
是在你的胳膊上贴几个电极，
是在你的胳膊上贴几个电极，
01:57
and you're probably wondering,
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你可能在想，
我刚说我要记录你的大脑，
这跟胳膊有什么关系？
这跟胳膊有什么关系？
01:59
I just said I'm going to record from your
brain, what am I doing with your arm?
brain, what am I doing with your arm?
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其实，此时此刻在你的
大脑内有800亿神经元。
大脑内有800亿神经元。
02:02
Well, you have about 80 billion neurons
inside your brain right now.
inside your brain right now.
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02:06
They're sending electrical messages
back and forth, and chemical messages.
back and forth, and chemical messages.
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它们在来回发送电信号和化学信号。
02:09
But some of your neurons
right here in your motor cortex
right here in your motor cortex
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但在这里有一些
位于你的运动皮质的神经元，
位于你的运动皮质的神经元，
02:12
are going to send messages down
when you move your arm like this.
when you move your arm like this.
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你这样运动胳膊的时候
会向下发送信号。
会向下发送信号。
02:15
They're going to go down
across your corpus callosum,
across your corpus callosum,
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这些信号会向下穿过胼胝体，
进入你的脊髓，
到达下运动神经元，
到达下运动神经元，
02:17
down onto your spinal cord
to your lower motor neuron
to your lower motor neuron
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再到达你这里的肌肉，
02:20
out to your muscles here,
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这种电信号释放
02:21
and that electrical discharge
is going to be picked up
is going to be picked up
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会被这里的电极接收，
02:24
by these electrodes right here
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02:25
and we're going to be able to listen
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于是我们就能够听到
你的大脑到底想要做些什么。
02:27
to exactly what your brain
is going to be doing.
is going to be doing.
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02:29
So I'm going to turn this on for a second.
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我来打开这个东西。
你有听过你的大脑的声音吗？
02:31
Have you ever heard
what your brain sounds like?
what your brain sounds like?
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SK：没有。
GG：来试试吧。
来试着抬肘握一下拳。
来试着抬肘握一下拳。
02:34
SK: No.
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02:35
GG: Let's try it out.
So go ahead and squeeze your hand.
So go ahead and squeeze your hand.
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（隆隆声）
02:37
(Rumbling)
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你现在听到的，
02:38
So what you're listening to,
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02:40
so this is your motor units
happening right here.
happening right here.
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这就是你的运动单元
正在此处发挥作用。
正在此处发挥作用。
02:44
Let's take a look at it as well.
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我们也来看一下好了。
02:46
So I'm going to stand over here,
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我会站在这里，
我需要打开我们的应用程序。
02:49
and I'm going to open up our app here.
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02:52
So now I want you to squeeze.
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现在握一下拳，
（隆隆声）
02:53
(Rumbling)
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就在这儿，这些就是
正在起作用的运动单元，
正在起作用的运动单元，
02:54
So right here, these are the motor units
that are happening
that are happening
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从她的脊椎延伸到这里的肌肉，
02:57
from her spinal cord
out to her muscle right here,
out to her muscle right here,
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伴随着她的动作，
03:00
and as she's doing it,
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你可以看到这里的电信号活动。
03:01
you're seeing the electrical activity
that's happening here.
that's happening here.
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你甚至可以点进去看其中的一个。
03:04
You can even click here
and try to see one of them.
and try to see one of them.
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继续不停地使劲握拳。
我们现在暂停在
03:06
So keep doing it really hard.
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此时此刻正在你脑内的
一个运动电势。
一个运动电势。
03:08
So now we've paused
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03:09
on one motor action potential that's
happening right now inside of your brain.
happening right now inside of your brain.
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03:13
Do you guys want to see some more?
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你们想看更多的吗？
03:15
(Applause)
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（掌声）
03:16
That's interesting,
but let's get it better.
but let's get it better.
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刚才的那个挺有趣的，
不过还有更有意思的。
不过还有更有意思的。
我还需要一名志愿者。
03:18
I need one more volunteer.
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03:21
What is your name, sir?
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先生，请问你的名字是？
03:24
Miguel Goncalves: Miguel.
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Miguel Goncalves：Miguel
GG：好的，Miguel。
03:25
GG: Miguel, all right.
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03:26
You're going to stand right here.
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你需要站在这里。
03:27
So when you're moving your arm like this,
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（对SK）当你在这样握拳的时候，
你的大脑向你这里的肌肉发出了信号。
03:29
your brain is sending a signal
down to your muscles right here.
down to your muscles right here.
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03:33
I want you to move your arm as well.
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（对MG）我想让你也像那样握拳。
03:34
So your brain is going to send
a signal down to your muscles.
a signal down to your muscles.
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你的大脑也将向你的肌肉发出信号。
03:37
And so it turns out that there is
a nerve that's right here
a nerve that's right here
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实际上这里有一根神经
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that runs up here that innervates
these three fingers,
these three fingers,
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一路上来并支配这三根手指的活动，
03:44
and it's close enough to the skin
that we might be able
that we might be able
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而这根神经又离皮肤足够近，
让我们能够
让我们能够
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to stimulate that so that what we can do
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刺激它，所以我们能做的
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is copy your brain signals
going out to your hand
going out to your hand
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是复制从你（SK）的大脑
向手臂发出的信号,
向手臂发出的信号,
03:52
and inject it into your hand,
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并把这个信号注入到你(MG)手臂里，
03:54
so that your hand will move
when your brain tells your hand to move.
when your brain tells your hand to move.
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于是你的手臂会在
你（SK）的大脑告诉手臂要动的时候动。
你（SK）的大脑告诉手臂要动的时候动。
03:57
So in a sense, she will take away
your free will
your free will
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所以从某种意义上说，
（对MG）她会夺走你的自由意志，
（对MG）她会夺走你的自由意志，
04:00
and you will no longer have
any control over this hand.
any control over this hand.
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你将无法控制你自己的这只手。
你明白了吗？
04:03
You with me?
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04:05
So I just need to hook you up.
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我需要把你连接上。
04:07
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
04:09
So I'm going to find your ulnar nerve,
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我要找到你的尺神经，
04:11
which is probably right around here.
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大概在这个位置。
04:14
You don't know what you're signing up for
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你上台的时候还不知道
将要发生什么吧。
04:16
when you come up.
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04:17
So now I'm going to move away
and we're going to plug it in
and we're going to plug it in
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我现在要让开，并连接好
我们的人对人互动界面。
04:20
to our human-to-human interface over here.
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04:24
Okay, so Sam, I want you
to squeeze your hand again.
to squeeze your hand again.
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好了，Sam，我想请你再次握一下拳。
04:29
Do it again. Perfect.
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再做一次。好的，完美。
04:31
So now I'm going to hook you up
over here so that you get the --
over here so that you get the --
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（对MG）我现在要把你连接上，
这样你就能接收到——
这样你就能接收到——
刚开始会觉得有点奇怪，
04:34
It's going to feel
a little bit weird at first,
a little bit weird at first,
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你会觉得 --
（笑声）
（笑声）
04:36
this is going to feel like a --
(Laughter)
(Laughter)
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04:38
You know, when you lose your free will,
and someone else becomes your agent,
and someone else becomes your agent,
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你懂的，当你失去了意志，
别人成为了你的代理人，
别人成为了你的代理人，
04:42
it does feel a bit strange.
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这的确会感觉有点奇怪。
04:44
Now I want you to relax your hand.
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我现在需要你放松你的手。
04:46
Sam, you're with me?
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Sam，你有在听吧？
04:47
So you're going to squeeze.
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你现在握拳。
我还没要打开机器呢，
所以不要担心，先握一下。
所以不要担心，先握一下。
04:48
I'm not going to turn it on yet,
so go ahead and give it a squeeze.
so go ahead and give it a squeeze.
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那么现在，你准备好了吗，Miguel？
04:52
So now, are you ready, Miguel?
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04:54
MG: Ready as I'll ever be.
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MG：我已经迫不及待了。
04:56
GG: I've turned it on, so go ahead
and turn your hand.
and turn your hand.
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GG：我已经打开仪器了，
（对SK）现在试着握一下拳。
（对SK）现在试着握一下拳。
04:59
Do you feel that a little bit?
MG: Nope.
MG: Nope.
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你感觉到了吗？
MG：没有。
MG：没有。
05:01
GG: Okay, do it again?
MG: A little bit.
MG: A little bit.
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GG：好，（对SK）再试一次？
MG：有一点。
MG：有一点。
05:03
GG: A little bit? (Laughter)
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GG：有一点？ （笑声）
05:04
So relax.
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好，放松。
（对SK）再握一次。
05:05
So hit it again.
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（笑声）
05:07
(Laughter)
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完美，完美。
05:08
Oh, perfect, perfect.
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05:10
So relax, do it again.
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放松，再来一次。
好的，此时此刻，
05:12
All right, so right now,
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05:14
your brain is controlling your arm
and it's also controlling his arm,
and it's also controlling his arm,
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你的大脑控制着你的胳膊，
同时也在控制他的胳膊，
同时也在控制他的胳膊，
05:19
so go ahead and just do it one more time.
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那现在再来一次。
05:21
All right, so it's perfect. (Laughter)
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很好，简直太完美了。 （笑声）
接下来，如果由我来控制你的手呢？
05:23
So now, what would happen
if I took over my control of your hand?
if I took over my control of your hand?
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05:27
And so, just relax your hand.
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放松你的手。
05:29
What happens?
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发生了什么？
05:31
Ah, nothing.
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啊哦，什么都没有。
05:32
Why not?
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为什么呢？
05:34
Because the brain has to do it.
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因为需要大脑去控制。
05:35
So you do it again.
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你再来一次。
05:37
All right, that's perfect.
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很好，这很完美。
05:39
Thank you guys for being
such a good sport.
such a good sport.
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谢谢你们如此精彩的配合。
05:42
This is what's happening
all across the world --
all across the world --
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这就是目前全世界都在研究的 ——
05:44
electrophysiology!
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电生理学！
05:45
We're going to bring on
the neuro-revolution.
the neuro-revolution.
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我们要引领神经学的革命。
谢谢。
05:48
Thank you.
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05:49
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Greg Gage - NeuroscientistTED Fellow Greg Gage helps kids investigate the neuroscience in their own backyards.
Why you should listen
As half of Backyard Brains, neuroscientist and engineer Greg Gage builds the SpikerBox -- a small rig that helps kids understand the electrical impulses that control the nervous system. He's passionate about helping students understand (viscerally) how our brains and our neurons work, because, as he said onstage at TED2012, we still know very little about how the brain works -- and we need to start inspiring kids early to want to know more.
Before becoming a neuroscientist, Gage worked as an electrical engineer making touchscreens. As he told the Huffington Post: "Scientific equipment in general is pretty expensive, but it's silly because before [getting my PhD in neuroscience] I was an electrical engineer, and you could see that you could make it yourself. So we started as a way to have fun, to show off to our colleagues, but we were also going into classrooms around that time and we thought, wouldn't it be cool if you could bring these gadgets with us so the stuff we were doing in advanced Ph.D. programs in neuroscience, you could also do in fifth grade?" His latest pieces of gear: the Roboroach, a cockroach fitted with an electric backpack that makes it turn on command, and BYB SmartScope, a smartphone-powered microscope.
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