TEDGlobal 2009
Gordon Brown: Global ethic vs. national interest
戈登・布朗谈全球伦理与国家利益
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某个国家的利益能否与人类集体利益一致？一个全民选出来的爱国的政客能否对另一个国家的公民给予同等的关注？英国首相戈登布朗在继他关于全球伦理的演讲之后，回答TED主持人克里斯安德森的提问。
Gordon Brown - British Prime Minister
Britain's former prime minister Gordon Brown played a key role in shaping the G20 nations' response to the world's financial crisis, and was a powerful advocate for a coordinated global response to problems such as climate change, poverty and social justice. Full bio
Britain's former prime minister Gordon Brown played a key role in shaping the G20 nations' response to the world's financial crisis, and was a powerful advocate for a coordinated global response to problems such as climate change, poverty and social justice. Full bio
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克里斯・安德森：非常感谢，首相阁下
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Chris Anderson: Thank you so much, Prime Minister,
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that was both fascinating and quite inspiring.
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十分精彩而振奋的演讲
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So, you're calling for a global ethic.
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您倡导全球伦理
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Would you describe that as global citizenship?
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您会称之为
世界公民吗？
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Is that an idea that you believe in, and how would you define that?
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您同意这个说法吗？
您会怎么定义？
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Gordon Brown: I think it is about global citizenship. It's about recognizing
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戈登・布朗：我想这是世界公民的意思
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our responsibilities to others.
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我们要认识到对别人的责任
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There is so much to do over the next few years
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在今后的几年里我们要做的还有很多
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that is obvious to so many of us
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我们很多人显然都很清楚我们需要建设一个更好的世界
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to build a better world.
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And there is so much shared sense
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对于要做什么我们持有很多共识
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of what we need to do,
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that it is vital that we all come together.
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合作是至关重要的
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But we don't necessarily have the means to do so.
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但我们还无法做到这一点
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So there are challenges to be met.
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所以我们面临挑战
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I believe the concept of global citizenship
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我认为，世界公民的概念
会随着人们跨洲际的交流而自然生发
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will simply grow out of people talking to each other across continents.
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所以任务就是要
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But then, of course, the task is to create the institutions
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建立一个机构
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that make that global society work.
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保证世界社会的运营
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But I don't think we should underestimate the extent to which
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我们不应当低估
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massive changes in technology
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技术的巨大发展
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make possible the linking up of people across the world.
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将为世界人民的联结
提供可能性
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CA: But people get excited about this idea of global citizenship,
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CA:人们听到世界公民
就会兴奋起来
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but then they get confused a bit again
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不过当他们思及爱国主义
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when they start thinking about patriotism,
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以及如何结合二者时
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and how to combine these two.
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难免又有点困惑
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I mean, you're elected as Prime Minister
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您是首相
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with a brief to bat for Britain.
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身负英国人民的厚望
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How do you reconcile the two things?
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您是如何平衡二者的呢？
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GB: Well, of course national identity remains important.
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GB：国民身份
固然重要
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But it's not at the expense of people accepting their global responsibilities.
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但这与承认世界公民责任
并不相悖
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And I think one of the problems of a recession
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经济衰退带来的问题之一
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is that people become more protectionist,
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是人们更倾向保护主义
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they look in on themselves,
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他们只看着自己
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they try to protect their own nation,
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要看好自己的家门
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perhaps at the expense of other nations.
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也许代价就是别国的利益
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When you actually look at the motor of the world economy,
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但是当你看看世界经济的引擎时
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it cannot move forward unless
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没有国家间贸易
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there is trade between the different countries.
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这个引擎无法转动
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And any nation that would become protectionist over the next few years
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如果某国在未来几年里死守保护主义
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would deprive itself of the chance of getting the benefits
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只会脱离全球经济的利益链条
作茧自缚
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of growth in the world economy.
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So, you've got to have a healthy sense of patriotism;
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所以爱国主义也得是健全的
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that's absolutely important.
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这很重要
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But you've got to realize that this world has changed fundamentally,
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但是我们必须意识到，这个世界有了翻天覆地的变化
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and the problems that we have cannot be solved
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我们面临的问题不是
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by one nation and one nation alone.
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单单一个国家能解决的
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CA: Well, indeed. But what do you do
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CA：的确。但是二者冲突时
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when the two come into conflict and you're forced to make a decision
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您会怎么做
您必须二择一的话
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that either is in Britain's interest,
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就是，一边是英国的利益
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or the interest of Britons,
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或者说英国人的利益
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or citizens elsewhere in the world?
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另一边是别的地方的人们的利益？
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GB: Well I think we can persuade people
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GB：我认为，我们能说服人们
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that what is necessary for Britain's long-term interests,
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英国人的长期利益是什么
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what is necessary for America's long-term interests,
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美国人的长期利益是什么
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is proper engagement with the rest of the world,
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我们的利益和世界各国人们的利益
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and taking the action that is necessary.
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是可以统一并且需要共同努力的
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There is a great story, again, told about Richard Nixon.
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只要想想－关于理查德・尼克松
有个极好的故事
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1958, Ghana becomes independent,
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1958年，加纳独立
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so it is just over 50 years ago.
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不过是五十年前的事
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Richard Nixon goes to represent the United States government
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理查德・尼克松代表
美国政府
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at the celebrations for independence in Ghana.
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前往加纳出席
独立庆典
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And it's one of his first outings as Vice President to an African country.
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那是他作为副总统
第一次出访非洲国家
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He doesn't quite know what to do, so he starts going around the crowd
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他有点不知所措
他就穿梭在人群里
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and starts talking to people in the crowd
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四处交谈
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and he says to people in this rather unique way,
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他的问话很独特
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"How does it feel to be free?"
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“自由的感觉如何？”
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And he's going around, "How does it feel to be free?"
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他就到处问：“自由的感觉怎么样？”
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"How does it feel to be free?"
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“自由的感觉怎么样？”
然后有个人说
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And then someone says, "How should I know? I come from Alabama."
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“我怎么知道？我来自阿拉巴马州。”
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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And that was the 1950s.
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那是上世纪五十年代
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Now, what is remarkable
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耐人寻味的是
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is that civil rights in America were achieved in the 1960s.
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在美国，民权是到六十年代
才被普遍承认的
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But what is equally remarkable
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同样值得注意的是
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is socioeconomic rights in Africa
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非洲的社会和经济权利
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have not moved forward very fast
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自殖民时代以来
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even since the age of colonialism.
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并没有大的改善
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And yet, America and Africa
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但是，美国和非洲
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have got a common interest.
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有一个共同利益
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And we have got to realize that if we don't link up
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我们意识到
如果不团结起
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with those people who are sensible voices and democratic voices in Africa,
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非洲理性和民主的人士
为共同目标而努力
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to work together for common causes,
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then the danger of Al Qaeda and related groups
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那么诸如基地组织等就会
在非洲大肆横行
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making progress in Africa is very big.
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So, I would say that what seems sometimes
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所以我们对非洲国家的关系
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to be altruism, in relation to Africa,
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还有其他发展中国家的关系
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or in relation to developing countries,
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有时候看起来是利他主义，但远不止如此
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is more than that. It is enlightened self-interest
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我们从自身利益出发
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for us to work with other countries.
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去和其他国家合作
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And I would say that national interest
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国家利益和
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and, if you like, what is the global interest
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比如，消除贫困和应对气候变化的
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to tackle poverty and climate change
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全球利益是
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do, in the long run, come together.
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在长期上是一致的
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And whatever the short-run price for taking action on climate change
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不论是针对气候变化、安全问题
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or taking action on security, or taking action to provide opportunities
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或者提供教育机会
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for people for education,
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采取措施而带来的短期代价
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these are prices that are worth paying
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是值得的
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so that you build a stronger global society
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如此我们才能建设更强健的全球社会
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where people feel able to feel comfortable with each other
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人们能够平和相处
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and are able to communicate with each other in such a way
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这样一来
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that you can actually build stronger links between different countries.
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国家间的关系
也就更紧密
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CA: We're in Oxford, which is the home
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CA：我还想深入了解一下这个问题
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of philosophical thought experiments.
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假如您在某个美丽的海滩上度假
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And so here is one that kind of goes --
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I still just want to draw out on this issue.
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听说发生了地震
海啸正向海滩袭来
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So, you're on vacation at a nice beach,
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海滩的一边是
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and word comes through that there's been a massive earthquake
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尼日利亚一家五口人
海滩另一边
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and that there is a tsunami advancing on the beach.
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是一个英国人
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One end of the beach there is a house
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你只有通知一户人家的时间
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containing a family of five Nigerians.
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你会怎么办？
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And at the other end of the beach
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（笑声）
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there is a single Brit.
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You have time to --
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GB：有现代通讯呢
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(Laughter)
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you have time to alert one house. What do you do?
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（掌声）
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(Laughter)
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两边都提醒（掌声）
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GB: Modern communications.
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(Applause)
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我承认我的首要职责
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Alert both.
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是要保证
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(Applause)
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我国人民的安全
我希望我今天的话
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I do agree that my responsibility
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被理解成我在
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is first of all to make sure that people in our country are safe.
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我对责任的重要性
责任的重要性
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And I wouldn't like anything that is said today to suggest
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我要说的是
我们今天拥有的机会
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that I am diminishing the importance of the responsibility
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以前我们从未有过是
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that each individual leader has for their own country.
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这是个我们能够跨越国界
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But I'm trying to suggest that there is a huge opportunity
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用新方法鼓动起整个世界的机会
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open to us that was never open to us before.
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比如海啸，这是个经典例子
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But the power to communicate across borders
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allows us to organize the world in a different way.
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早期预警系统干什么去了？
为什么没有
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And I think, look at the tsunami, it's a classic example.
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针对地震和气候变化
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Where was the early warning systems?
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导致的潜在问题的
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You know? Where was the world acting together
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共同行动方案
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to deal with the problems that they knew arose
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当我们有早期预警系统
来共同协作
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from the potential for earthquakes,
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那么你就能更好地
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as well as the potential for climate change?
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处理这些问题
我觉得我们没有看到
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And when the world starts to work together,
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机会向我们敞开大门
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with better early warning systems,
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只要我们能同心协力
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then you can deal with some of these problems in a far better way.
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抛弃之前的孤立主义
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I just think we're not seeing, at the moment,
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06:40
the huge opportunities open to us
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或者为了暂时利益
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by the ability of people to cooperate
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而结成的
无法解决核心问题的
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in a world where either there was isolationism before
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短暂联盟
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or there was limited alliances based on convenience
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CA：但是我相信很多人
在场观众也会，有种挫折感
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which never actually took you to deal with some of the central problems.
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我们喜欢你说的话
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CA: But I think this is the frustration that perhaps
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振奋人心 很多人相信
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a lot people have, like people in the audience here,
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这就是世界的未来
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where we love the kind of language that you're talking about.
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但是 一旦风向变了
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It is inspiring. A lot of us believe
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这些政客们就是另一番说辞
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that that has to be the world's future.
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比如，一个美国士兵的价值
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And yet, when the situation changes,
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抵过千万名伊拉克平民
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you suddenly hear politicians talking as if,
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但是一旦战线全速推进
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you know, for example, the life of one American soldier
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07:16
is worth countless numbers of Iraqi civilians.
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理想主义就遁形了
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When the pedal hits the metal,
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我想知道
您觉得现在
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the idealism can get moved away.
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或是在英国
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I'm just wondering how --
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人民的态度在转变吗？
是不是有很多人支持
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whether you can see that changing over time,
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07:31
whether you see in Britain
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您所谓的全球伦理？
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that there are changing attitudes, and that people are actually
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GB：我认为每种宗教，每种信仰
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more supportive of the kind of global ethic that you talk about.
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我不是在这儿对宗教和信仰
夸夸其谈
每种信仰在其教义里含有全球伦理
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GB: I think every religion, every faith,
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and I'm not just talking here to people of faith or religion --
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不论是犹太人还是穆斯林
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it has this global ethic at the center
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不论是印度教徒还是锡克教徒
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of its credo.
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这些宗教的核心
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And whether it's Jewish or whether it's Muslim
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都包括全球伦理
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or whether it's Hindu, or whether it's Sikh,
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我想这是
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the same global ethic is at the heart
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人们本能地将其
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of each of these religions.
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看作自身道德的一部分
08:02
So, I think you're dealing with something
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所以这并不是完全
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that people instinctively
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自身利益的事
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see as part of that moral sense.
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这是基于人们的理想和价值
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So you're building on something that is not pure self-interest.
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如同蜡烛一样
有时候烛光微弱
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You're building on people's ideas and values --
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但是我认为这些价值
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that perhaps they're candles that
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是不可能熄灭的
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burn very dimly on certain occasions.
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问题在于
怎样才能改变？
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But it is a set of values that cannot, in my view, be extinguished.
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怎样才能说服人们
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Then the question is,
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这是为了他们自身利益
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how do you make that change happen?
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二战以后
成立了一些国际组织
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How do you persuade people
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联合国，国际货币基金组织，世界银行
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that it is in their interest
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08:36
to build strong ... After the Second World War,
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世界贸易组织，马歇尔计划
那个时期
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we built institutions, the United Nations,
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人们都期待新的作为
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the IMF, the World Bank,
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因为这些组织当时还很新
08:44
the World Trade Organization, the Marshall Plan.
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但是现在他们已经过时了，无法解决问题
08:46
There was a period in which people talked about an act of creation,
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如我所说，现存的组织
无法解决环境问题
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because these institutions were so new.
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无法应对安全问题
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But they are now out of date. They don't deal with the problems.
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As I said, you can't deal with the environmental problem
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无法应付经济和财政问题
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through existing institutions.
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我们必须重建全球性组织
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You can't deal with the security problem in the way that you need to.
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使他们能够适应
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You can't deal with the economic and financial problem.
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现今的挑战 我相信
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So we have got to rebuild our global institutions,
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我们现在最大的挑战
是说服人们去相信
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build them in a way that is suitable to the challenges of this time.
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靠基于这些新年的组织
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And I believe that if you look at the biggest challenge we face,
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it is to persuade people to have the confidence
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that we can build a truly global society
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with the institutions that are founded on these rules.
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五十年前没人会说
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So, I come back to my initial point.
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Sometimes you think things are impossible.
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Nobody would have said 50 years ago
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that apartheid would have gone in 1990,
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or that the Berlin wall would have fallen
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at the turn of the '80s and '90s,
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这些都发生了
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or that polio could be eradicated, or that perhaps 60 years ago
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始于不可能
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nobody would have said that a man could have gone to the moon.
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All these things have happened.
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By tackling the impossible, you make the impossible possible.
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非常惊险（笑声）
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CA: And we have had a speaker who said that very thing,
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and swallowed a sword right after that, which was quite dramatic.
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(Laughter)
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GB: Followed my sword will swallow.
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“我相信这个世界上的
每一个生命都是同等的
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CA: But, surely a true global ethic
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不论国籍宗教
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is for someone to say,
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"I believe the life of every human on the planet
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需得到同等对待”
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is worth the same, equal consideration,
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政治家是选出来的
所以某种程度上说你不能说这话
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regardless of nationality and religion."
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哪怕作为一个人来说你相信这一点
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And you have politicians who have --
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you're elected. In a way, you can't say that.
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GB：但是我们有责任去保护
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Even if, as a human being, you believe that,
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you can't say that. You're elected for Britain's interests.
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和之前的所有条约
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GB: We have a responsibility to protect.
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I mean look, 1918, the Treaty of Versailles,
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and all the treaties before that, the Treaty of Westphalia and everything else,
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但世界有了变化
一部分是因为
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were about protecting the sovereign right of individual countries
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对犹太人的大屠杀
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to do what they want.
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人们对开始关注他们要保护的领土内
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Since then, the world has moved forward,
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partly as a result of what happened with the Holocaust,
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人们的权利
一部分是因为卢旺达的屠杀
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and people's concern about the rights of individuals
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一部分是发生在波斯尼亚的屠杀
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within territories where they need protection,
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保护所有处在
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partly because of what we saw in Rwanda,
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已经成为了
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partly because of what we saw in Bosnia.
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世界上广泛接受原则
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The idea of the responsibility to protect
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all individuals who are in situations
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虽然我不能说
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where they are at humanitarian risk
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is now being established as a principle which governs the world.
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英国会义无反顾地投入
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So, while I can't automatically say
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但可以这么说英国会和
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that Britain will rush to the aid
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其他国家共同努力
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of any citizen of any country, in danger,
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把保护大屠杀的
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I can say that Britain is in a position
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或者人道攻击的受害者
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where we're working with other countries
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视为己任的意识
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so that this idea that you have a responsibility
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to protect people who are victims of either genocide
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or humanitarian attack,
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这个目标才能达成
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is something that is accepted by the whole world.
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这就说到联合国在未来的角色
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Now, in the end, that can only be achieved
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11:28
if your international institutions work well enough
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及其力之所及
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to be able to do so.
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保护的责任
11:32
And that comes back to what the future role of the United Nations,
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是一个新的概念
正取代原先国际社会的
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and what it can do, actually is.
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11:37
But, the responsibility to protect
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民族自决的原则
11:39
is a new idea that is, in a sense,
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CA:您觉得有可能在我们这一代
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taken over from the idea of
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一个政客会在
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self-determination as the principle governing the international community.
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一个全球伦理
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CA: Can you picture, in our lifetimes,
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世界公民的立场上，说
11:49
a politician ever going out on a platform
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“我相信，全世界人民
11:52
of the kind of full-form global ethic, global citizenship?
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应得到平等对待
11:57
And basically saying that "I believe that all people across the planet
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如果当选我们将奉行此理念
我相信这个国家的国民也由此
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have equal consideration, and if in power
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成为世界公民并支持这样的伦理。”
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we will act in that way.
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GB：这不正是在气候变化之争中
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And we believe that the people of this country
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我们的做法吗？
12:09
are also now global citizens and will support that ethic ..."
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我们说一个国家
无法单独解决气候问题
12:12
GB: Is that not what we're doing
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in the debate about climate change?
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所有国家都得参与
也就是说，我们有责任
12:16
We're saying that you cannot solve the problem of climate change in one country;
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帮助那些
12:21
you've got to involve all countries.
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无法独自解决
12:23
You're saying that you must, and you have a duty to help
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气候问题的国家
也就是说我们谋求与世界各国的合作
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those countries that cannot afford to deal with
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携手共同减排
12:29
the problems of climate change themselves.
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12:31
You're saying you want a deal with all the different countries of the world
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从而惠及世界
如果能做到－这从来没有过
12:35
where we're all bound together
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京都议定书没做到
12:37
to cutting carbon emissions in a way that is to the benefit of the whole world.
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如果在哥本哈根会议上
各国能够
12:41
We've never had this before because Kyoto didn't work.
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在共同减排长期目标
12:45
If you could get a deal at Copenhagen,
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和短期具体目标上
12:48
where people agreed, A, that there was
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达成一致
12:50
a long-term target for carbon emission cuts,
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这样的决议就有可能
12:52
B, that there was short-range targets that had to be met
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带来变化
如果我们能找到财务机制
12:55
so this wasn't just abstract;
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来帮助那些
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it was people actually making decisions now
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12:59
that would make a difference now,
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因为过去很多年里由于
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and if you could then find a financing mechanism
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我们的不作为而
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that meant that the poorest countries that had been hurt
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受牵连的贫困国家
13:06
by our inability to deal with climate change
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从而他们可以转向节能科技
13:08
over many, many years and decades
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are given special help so that they can move
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长期投资
来帮助减排
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to energy-efficient technologies,
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and they are in a position financially
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那么这就是对各国的公平对待
13:18
to be able to afford the long-term investment
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因为我们对每一个国家
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that is associated with cutting carbon emissions,
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都会考虑他们的需求
13:23
then you are treating the world equally,
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这并不是说每个人的要求一样
13:27
by giving consideration to every part of the planet
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因为我们应该为最贫困的国家
付出更多
13:30
and the needs they have.
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但这意味着对全世界人民的需求
13:32
It doesn't mean that everybody does exactly the same thing,
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给予公平的对待
13:34
because we've actually got to do more financially
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to help the poorest countries, but it does mean there is equal consideration
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CA：是的。但不可否认
13:40
for the needs of citizens
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各国为了各自利益
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in a single planet.
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而撕破脸的忧虑仍然存在
13:45
CA: Yes. And then of course the theory is still
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GB：是的。但我认为
13:47
that those talks get rent apart by different countries
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欧盟27国已经
团结在了一起
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fighting over their own individual interests.
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最大的困难是
13:52
GB: Yes, but I think Europe has got a position,
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如果欧盟的27个盟国开会
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which is 27 countries have already come together.
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很花时间
但是我们对气候变化有了共同认识
13:59
I mean, the great difficulty in Europe is if
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you're at a meeting and 27 people speak,
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美国也对此首次作出表态
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it takes a very very long time.
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应该感谢奥巴马总统
14:04
But we did get an agreement on climate change.
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为此在国会
14:08
America has made its first disposition on this
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作出的努力
日本也发表了声明
14:11
with the bill that President Obama should be congratulated
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中国和印度在科学证明上签了字
下面我们要做的就是
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for getting through Congress.
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促进他们采纳长期目标
14:17
Japan has made an announcement.
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和短期目标
14:19
China and India have signed up to the scientific evidence.
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过去的几周我们取得了很大成绩
14:22
And now we've got to move them to accept
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远多去过去几年
14:25
a long-term target, and then short-term targets.
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我深信如果我们能够
携手努力
14:28
But more progress has been made, I think, in the last few weeks
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完全有可能达成哥本哈根协议
14:30
than had been made for some years.
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我自然也提出了相应提案
14:32
And I do believe
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14:34
that there is a strong possibility
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保证贫困国家的利益
14:36
that if we work together, we can get that agreement to Copenhagen.
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在我们的
14:39
I certainly have been putting forward proposals
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考虑之内
14:41
that would have allowed the poorest parts of the world
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我们将帮助他们适应
过渡到
14:44
to feel that we have taken into account
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低碳经济
14:47
their specific needs.
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我认为国际机构的变革
14:49
And we would help them adapt.
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是至关重要的一步
14:51
And we would help them make the transition to a low carbon economy.
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20世纪40年代，IMF设立之初
举全世界GDP百分之五的资源建成
14:54
I do think a reform of the international institutions is vital to this.
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现在的IMF只有百分之一的有限资源
14:58
When the IMF was created in the 1940s,
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无法在危机之时
15:01
it was created with resources that were five percent or so of the world's GDP.
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力挽狂澜
所有我们要重建世界机构
15:04
The IMF now has limited resources, one percent.
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我们任重道远
15:07
It can't really make the difference that ought to be made in a period of crisis.
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要说服在这些机构中持有不同投票权的国家
15:10
So, we've got to rebuild the world institutions.
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是很困难的
有个故事
15:13
And that's a big task: persuading
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说的是当时三位领导人
15:15
all the different countries with the different voting shares
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向上帝
15:17
in these institutions to do so.
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寻求建议的事
15:19
There is a story told about the three world leaders
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说比尔・克林顿
15:23
of the day getting a chance to get some advice from God.
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找上帝
问问什么时候才会有
15:28
And the story is told that Bill Clinton went to God
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成功的气候变化和低碳经济
15:31
and he asked when there will be
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上帝摇摇头说
“不在今年，不在这十年间。
15:34
successful climate change and a low carbon economy.
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也许你这辈子都不一定。”
比尔・克林顿伤心地走了
15:39
And God shook his head and said, "Not this year,
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因为他没能达成他的目标
15:41
not this decade, perhaps not even in your lifetime."
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然后是巴罗索
欧盟执委会主席
15:44
And Bill Clinton walked away in tears
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去找上帝问
15:47
because he had failed to get what he wanted.
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“全球经济什么时候复苏？”
15:49
And then the story is that Barroso, the president of the European Commission,
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上帝说：“不在今年，不在这十年间。
15:52
went to God and he asked, he said,
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15:54
"When will we get a recovery of global growth?"
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也许你这辈子都不一定。”
巴罗索伤心地走了
15:59
And God said, "Not this year, not in this decade,
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然后是
16:01
perhaps not in your lifetime."
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联合国秘书长
16:03
So Barroso walked away crying and in tears.
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去找上帝
问”咱们国际机构
16:07
And then the secretary general of the United Nations
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什么时候才能有点作用？“
上帝哭了
16:11
came up to speak to God and said,
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（笑声）
16:13
"When will our international institutions work?"
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16:17
And God cried.
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在对我们可以
16:19
(Laughter)
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共建全球伦理达成共识后
16:21
It is very important to recognize
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下一步就是
国际机构的改革
认识到这一点
16:26
that this reform of institutions
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非常重要
16:29
is the next stage after
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CA：首相阁下，我想下面有很多观众
16:31
agreeing upon ourselves
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对您针对我们所处的经济危机
16:33
that there is a clear ethic upon which we can build.
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作出的努力是很感动的
16:36
CA: Prime Minister, I think there are many in the audience who
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肯定也会有很多观众
16:38
are truly appreciative of the efforts you made
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会赞同您提倡的全球伦理
16:40
in terms of the financial mess we got ourselves into.
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非常感谢您的光临
16:43
And there are certainly many people in the audience
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GB：也谢谢你
16:46
who will be cheering you on as you seek to advance
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（鼓掌）
16:48
this global ethic. Thank you so much for coming to TED.
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16:51
GB: Well, thank you.
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Gordon Brown - British Prime MinisterBritain's former prime minister Gordon Brown played a key role in shaping the G20 nations' response to the world's financial crisis, and was a powerful advocate for a coordinated global response to problems such as climate change, poverty and social justice.
Why you should listen
During his long term of office, former UK prime minister Gordon Brown became one of the world's most experienced political leaders, with a deep understanding of the global economy based on 10 years' experience as Great Britain's Chancellor of the Exchequer. He has been a key architect of the G8's agreements on poverty and climate change, and has provided a passionate voice to encourage the developed world to aid struggling African countries. He is an advocate of global solutions for global problems -- through both the reinvention of international institution and the advancement of a global ethics.
While prime minister, Brown promoted technology as a tool for economic (and environmental) recovery. With his charge to "count the carbon and the pennies," research on electric cars and residential energy efficiency are slated to become a major part of the UK's recovery plan. He pushed for universal broadband and a general increase in spending on science. And he sought to use new communication tools like Twitter and YouTube as a means to communicate government policy.
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