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Rick Warren: A life of purpose
里克•沃伦谈人生的目的
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牧师里克•沃伦是《目的驱动的人生》的作者，他回顾了自己在这本书获得轰动的成功之后对于人生意义的困惑和思考。他解释说他坚信上帝的意愿是让我们每个人都用自己的才能和影响力做有益的事情。
Rick Warren - Pastor, author
Pastor Rick Warren is the author of The Purpose-Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His has become an immensely influential voice seeking to apply the values of his faith to issues such as global poverty, HIV/AIDS and injustice. Full bio
Pastor Rick Warren is the author of The Purpose-Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His has become an immensely influential voice seeking to apply the values of his faith to issues such as global poverty, HIV/AIDS and injustice. Full bio
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经常有人问我，
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I'm often asked,
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这本书使你惊讶的是什么？
00:28
"What surprised you about the book?"
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我说，是我要写它的决心。
00:31
And I say, "That I got to write it."
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我本来根本想像不到，
00:33
I would have never imagined that.
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即使是在我最荒诞的梦里面也没有想到——
00:36
Not in my wildest dreams did I think --
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我甚至没有料到自己会成为作家。
00:38
I don't even consider
myself to be an author.
myself to be an author.
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也经常有人问我，
00:42
And I'm often asked,
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你认为是什么原因这么多人看过你的书？
00:44
"Why do you think so many
people have read this?
people have read this?
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This thing's selling still
about a million copies a month."
about a million copies a month."
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这本书现在还每个月销售1百万本。
00:52
And I think it's because
spiritual emptiness
spiritual emptiness
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我认为这是因为精神上的空虚
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is a universal disease.
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这是整个地球的通病。
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I think inside at some point, we put
our heads down on the pillow and we go,
our heads down on the pillow and we go,
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我觉得在内心深处，我们倒在枕头上面就想：
“人生中肯定应该有比我现在的生活更多的东西。”
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"There's got to be more
to life than this."
to life than this."
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每天早上起床，上班，回家看电视，
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Get up in the morning, go to work,
come home and watch TV,
come home and watch TV,
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睡觉，早上起床，上班，回家看电视，睡觉，
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go to bed, get up in the morning, go
to work, come home, watch TV, go to bed,
to work, come home, watch TV, go to bed,
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周末去和朋友聚会。
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go to parties on weekends.
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很多人说：“我在生活”。其实不是，你不是在生活——那只是活着。
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A lot of people say, "I'm living." No,
you're not living -- that's just existing.
you're not living -- that's just existing.
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只是活着而已。
01:19
Just existing.
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我真的认为内心深处有这个（不只是活着的）渴望。
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I really think that
there's this inner desire.
there's this inner desire.
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我的确相信耶稣基督说的话。我相信你来到这个世界不是碰巧偶然的。
01:25
I do believe what Chris said;
I believe that you're not an accident.
I believe that you're not an accident.
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你的父母可能没有计划你，但是我相信上帝计划了。
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Your parents may not have planned you,
but I believe God did.
but I believe God did.
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我认为有偶然碰巧成为父母的，这一点毫无疑问。
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I think there are accidental parents;
there's no doubt about that.
there's no doubt about that.
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但是我认为没有偶然产生的小孩。
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I don't think there are accidental kids.
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And I think you matter.
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并且我认为你是重要的。
我认为你对上帝重要，对历史重要，
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I think you matter to God;
I think you matter to history;
I think you matter to history;
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我认为你对这个宇宙重要。
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I think you matter to this universe.
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And I think that the difference
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我认为在
01:52
between what I call the survival level
of living, the success level of living,
of living, the success level of living,
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我称为生存水准的生活，成功水准的生活，
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and the significance level of living is:
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和意义重大水准的生活之间的区别是：
01:59
Do you figure out,
"What on Earth am I here for?"
"What on Earth am I here for?"
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你是否弄清楚了：我在这个世上到底有什么意义？
我碰到过很多非常聪明的人，
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I meet a lot of people who are very smart,
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and say, "But why can't I
figure out my problems?"
figure out my problems?"
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但是他们说：“为什么我弄不明白自己的问题？”
02:09
And I meet a lot of people
who are very successful,
who are very successful,
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我也遇到过很多非常成功的人，
他们说：“为什么我老觉得缺少点什么？
02:11
who say, "Why don't I feel more fulfilled?
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为什么我感觉像一个假货？
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Why do I feel like a fake?
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Why do I feel like I've got to pretend
that I'm more than I really am?"
that I'm more than I really am?"
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为什么我感觉
必须要假装比真实的我更强？
我认为追根究底这就是我要讲的人生的意义，重要性，或者说目的。
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I think that comes down to this issue
of meaning, of significance, of purpose.
of meaning, of significance, of purpose.
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I think it comes down to this issue of:
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我认为这个问题本质上是问：
我为什么活着？我活着是为了什么？我要走向哪里去？
02:30
"Why am I here? What am I here for?
Where am I going?"
Where am I going?"
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这些不是宗教问题——
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These are not religious issues.
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而是整个人类的问题。
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They're human issues.
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I wanted to tell Michael before he spoke
that I really appreciate what he does,
that I really appreciate what he does,
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我本来想在迈克演讲之前告诉他
我真的感谢他所做的事情，
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because it makes my life work
a whole lot easier.
a whole lot easier.
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因为那使得我的生活和工作轻松多了。
作为一个牧师，我的确看过很多怪人。
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As a pastor, I do see a lot of kooks.
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我也知道在生活的各个层面都有怪人。
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And I have learned that there are
kooks in every area of life.
kooks in every area of life.
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并不是只有宗教中
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Religion doesn't have a monopoly on that,
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才有怪人，但是的确有不少信教的怪人。
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but there are plenty of religious kooks.
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There are secular kooks;
there are smart kooks, dumb kooks.
there are smart kooks, dumb kooks.
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有不信教的怪人，聪明的怪人，愚蠢的怪人。
有一些人——有一天一个女士走到我面前，
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There are people -- a lady
came up to me the other day,
came up to me the other day,
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拿着一张白纸，——迈克，你会喜欢这个故事——
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and she had a white piece of paper --
Michael, you'll like this one --
Michael, you'll like this one --
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她说：“你在这张纸里面能看到什么？”
03:11
and she said, "What do you see in it?"
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我看了一下，说：“哦，我没看见什么东西。”
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And I looked at it and I said,
"Oh, I don't see anything."
"Oh, I don't see anything."
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她说：“嗯，我看见耶稣”，然后开始哭，离开了。
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And she goes, "Well, I see Jesus,"
and started crying and left.
and started crying and left.
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我就想，那好啊，是吧。
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I'm going, "OK," you know? "Fine."
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不错，
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(Laughter)
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为你祝福。
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Good for you.
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当这本书在过去3年成为世界上最畅销的书，
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When the book became the best-selling book
in the world for the last three years,
in the world for the last three years,
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在某种程度上是我的小危机和困惑。
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I kind of had my little crisis.
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那就是，这个东西的目的是什么？
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And that was: What is the purpose of this?
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Because it brought in
enormous amounts of money.
enormous amounts of money.
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因为它带来了巨额的金钱。
当你写了世界上最畅销的书，
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When you write the best-selling
book in the world,
book in the world,
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那就意味着成堆成堆的钱。
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it's tons and tons of money.
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And it brought in a lot of attention,
neither of which I wanted.
neither of which I wanted.
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并且它也带来很多别人的关注。而这两个东西都不是我想要的。
我开办马鞍峰教会(Saddleback Church)的时候25岁，
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When I started Saddleback Church,
I was 25 years old.
I was 25 years old.
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I started it with
one other family in 1980.
one other family in 1980.
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那是在1980年我和另一个家庭成员一起开办的。
我当时决定永远不上电视，
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And I decided that I was never
going to go on TV,
going to go on TV,
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04:03
because I didn't want to be a celebrity.
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因为我不想成为一个名人，
我不想做“传福音者，电视传福音者”——
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I didn't want to be a, quote,
"evangelist, televangelist" --
"evangelist, televangelist" --
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那不是我喜欢的。
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that's not my thing.
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And all of the sudden, it brought a lot
of money and a lot of attention.
of money and a lot of attention.
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而突然，这本书带来了大量的金钱和关注。
我不认为——
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I don't think --
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now, this is a worldview,
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其实，这是一种世界观，我跟你说，每个人都有自己的世界观。
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and I will tell you,
everybody's got a worldview.
everybody's got a worldview.
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每个人都把他们的人生赌在某些东西上。
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Everybody's betting
their life on something.
their life on something.
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你也正把你的人生押在某些东西上面——
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You're betting your life on something,
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不过你最好知道为什么你把它押在这些东西上面。
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you just better know why
you're betting what you're betting on.
you're betting what you're betting on.
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所以说，每个人都在把自己的人生赌在某些东西上面，
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So, everybody's betting
their life on something.
their life on something.
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And when I, you know, made a bet,
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而当我押赌注的时候，我碰巧相信
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I happened to believe
that Jesus was who he said he was.
that Jesus was who he said he was.
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耶稣就是他所说的（自己是上帝的使者）。
但是每个人——我相信在一个多元化的社会——
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And I believe in a pluralistic society,
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每个人都赌在某些东西上面。
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everybody's betting on something.
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我开办教堂的时候，
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And when I started the church,
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you know, I had no plans
to do what it's doing now.
to do what it's doing now.
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嗯，我根本没有预计到会做现在做的事情。
后来我写了这本书，
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And then when I wrote this book,
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突然它就
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and all of a sudden, it just took off,
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极其畅销，
然后我开始说，那么这个东西的意义是什么？
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and I started saying, now,
what's the purpose of this?
what's the purpose of this?
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因为我开始说，
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Because as I started to say,
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我认为上帝给你金钱或者名望
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I don't think you're given money or fame
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并不是为了膨胀你的自我，永远不是。
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for your own ego, ever.
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我相信不是。
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I just don't believe that.
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当你写了一本书而这本书的第一句话是
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And when you write a book
that the first sentence of the book is,
that the first sentence of the book is,
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“这本书与你无关。”
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"It's not about you,"
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然后突然间
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then, when all of a sudden it becomes
the best-selling book in history,
the best-selling book in history,
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它成为了史上最畅销书的时候，
你当然会认识到，对吧，我猜这不是关于我。
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you've got to figure, well,
I guess it's not about me.
I guess it's not about me.
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That's kind of a no-brainer.
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那是傻子都懂的道理。
那么，它的目的和意义是什么？
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So, what is it for?
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And I began to think about what I call
the "stewardship of affluence"
the "stewardship of affluence"
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我开始思考我称之为财富引导
和影响力引导的概念。
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and the "stewardship of influence."
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我认为从根本上说，领导力就是引导力。
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So I believe, essentially,
leadership is stewardship.
leadership is stewardship.
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That if you are a leader in any area --
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如果你是任何领域的一个领导和先驱——
在商业，政治，体育，艺术，
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in business, in politics,
in sports, in art,
in sports, in art,
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学术，任何领域——
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in academics, in any area --
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你不是它的所有者，
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you don't own it.
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而是一个引导者。
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You are a steward of it.
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For instance, that's why I believe
in protecting the environment.
in protecting the environment.
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比如，这也是为什么我相信要保护环境。
这不是我的地球。在我出生之前不是我的，
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This is not my planet.
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It wasn't mine before I was born,
it's not going to be mine after I die,
it's not going to be mine after I die,
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在我死了之后也不会是我的。
我只是在它上面过80年而已，就这么简单。
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I'm just here for 80 years
and then that's it.
and then that's it.
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我曾经在一个脱口秀节目上辩论，
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I was debating
the other day on a talk show,
the other day on a talk show,
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有个人挑战我说，
06:07
and the guy was challenging
me and he'd go,
me and he'd go,
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“一个牧师讲保护环境干什么？”
06:09
"What's a pastor doing
on protecting the environment?"
on protecting the environment?"
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And I asked this guy, I said,
"Well, do you believe
"Well, do you believe
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我就问他：“那么，你觉得
人类有责任
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that human beings are responsible
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让这个世界变得稍微好一点给下一代吗？
06:20
to make the world a little bit better
place for the next generation?
place for the next generation?
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你觉得在这个世界上我们有没有
06:24
Do you think we have a stewardship here,
to take the environment seriously?"
to take the environment seriously?"
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要严肃对待环境问题的引导责任？”
他说：“没有”。
06:29
And he said, "No."
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我说：“啊？你不觉得？”我说：“让我再阐述清楚一点。
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I said, "Oh, you don't?"
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I said, "Let me make this clear again:
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你觉得作为人——我不是在讲宗教——
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Do you believe that as human beings --
I'm not talking about religion --
I'm not talking about religion --
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你觉不觉得作为人，是我们的责任
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do you believe that as human beings,
it is our responsibility
it is our responsibility
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照顾好这个地球，使它只是稍微好那么一点点留给下一代？”
06:41
to take care of this planet,
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06:42
and make it just a little bit better
for the next generation?"
for the next generation?"
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他说：“不觉得。
06:45
And he said, "No. Not any more
than any other species."
than any other species."
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不觉得比其他物种要多些责任。”
当他吐出“物种”这个词，他就暴露了他的世界观。
06:50
When he said the word "species,"
he was revealing his worldview.
he was revealing his worldview.
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他还说：“我不比一只鸭子有更多责任
06:54
And he was saying,
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06:55
"I'm no more responsible to take care
of this environment than a duck is."
of this environment than a duck is."
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要照顾这个环境。”
07:00
Well now, I know a lot
of times we act like ducks,
of times we act like ducks,
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当然，我知道很多时候我们的所作所为就像鸭子一样，
但是你不是一只鸭子。
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but you're not a duck.
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你不是鸭子。
07:05
You're not a duck.
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你的确有责任——这是我的世界观。
07:07
And you are responsible --
that's my worldview.
that's my worldview.
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所以，你需要懂得你的周围世界是什么，世界观是什么。
07:11
And so, you need to understand
what your worldview is.
what your worldview is.
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问题是大多数人从来没有真正想明白过。
07:15
The problem is most people
never really think it through.
never really think it through.
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他们从来没有真正——从来没有真正
07:19
They never really ...
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07:23
codify it or qualify it or quantify it,
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整理，定性，或者量化它，
就说：“我相信这个。
07:27
and say, "This is what I believe in.
This is why I believe what I believe."
This is why I believe what I believe."
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这就是为什么我相信我所相信的。”
我个人并没有足够的信心成为一个无神论者。
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I don't personally have
enough faith to be an atheist.
enough faith to be an atheist.
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但是你可能，你可能。
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But you may, you may.
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07:38
Your worldview, though, does determine
everything else in your life,
everything else in your life,
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不过，你的世界观的确决定了你生活中的任何其他东西，
因为它决定了你的判断，
07:42
because it determines your decisions;
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决定了你的社会关系，
07:44
it determines your relationships;
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决定了你的自信度。
07:47
it determines your level of confidence.
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它决定了，实际上，你生活中的一切。
07:50
It determines, really,
everything in your life.
everything in your life.
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我们所相信的，显然——
07:53
What we believe, obviously --
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07:55
and you know this --
determines our behavior,
determines our behavior,
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你们也知道——决定了我们的行为，
07:57
and our behavior determines
what we become in life.
what we become in life.
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而我们的行为决定了我们在人生中成为什么。
08:03
So all of this money started pouring in,
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后来所有这些金钱开始涌入，
08:06
and all of this fame started pouring in.
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所有这些名声开始涌入，
08:10
And I'm going, what do I do with this?
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我就想，我怎么处理这些？
妻子和我首先做了5 个怎么处理那些钱的决定。
08:13
My wife and I first made five decisions
on what to do with the money.
on what to do with the money.
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我们说：“首先，
08:18
We said, "First, we're not
going to use it on ourselves."
going to use it on ourselves."
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我们不打算把它用在我们自己身上。”
我没有去买一个更大的房子，
08:22
I didn't go out and buy a bigger house.
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没有第二套房子，
08:25
I don't own a guesthouse.
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08:26
I still drive the same four year-old
Ford that I've driven.
Ford that I've driven.
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仍然开着那辆4年前的福特车。
08:30
We just said, we're not
going to use it on us.
going to use it on us.
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我们说过，我们不打算把它用于自己。
第二，
08:33
The second thing was,
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我不再从我传道的教会领取薪水。
08:36
I stopped taking a salary
from the church that I pastor.
from the church that I pastor.
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第三，我把过去25年教会付给我的钱加起来，
08:40
Third thing is, I added up
all that the church had paid me
all that the church had paid me
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08:43
over the last 25 years,
and I gave it back.
and I gave it back.
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全部还了回去。
我还回去是因为我不希望任何人认为
08:46
And I gave it back because
I didn't want anybody thinking
I didn't want anybody thinking
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我是为了钱才干这份工作——我不是。
08:49
that I do what I do for money -- I don't.
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08:51
In fact, personally, I've never met
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事实上，个人亲身经验，我从来没有遇到一
个传教士或者牧师是为了钱才传福音的。
08:55
a priest or a pastor or a minister
who does it for money.
who does it for money.
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我知道这听起来假惺惺的。但是的确我从来没有遇到一个。
08:58
I know that's the stereotype;
I've never met one of them.
I've never met one of them.
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09:01
Believe me, there's a whole lot
easier ways to make money.
easier ways to make money.
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相信我，有一大堆更容易的方式去赚钱。
09:05
Pastors are like on 24 hours-a-day call,
they're like doctors.
they're like doctors.
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牧师就像是一个一天24小时随时待命的工作，就像医生一样。
今天我结束工作比较晚。本来想昨天就到这里来的，
09:09
I left late today -- I'd hoped
to be here yesterday --
to be here yesterday --
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因为我岳父可能已经处在死于癌症之前的
09:13
because my father-in-law
is in his last, probably, 48 hours
is in his last, probably, 48 hours
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最后48小时。
09:16
before he dies of cancer.
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我在看着一个生活了一辈子的男人——
09:18
And I'm watching a guy
who's lived his life --
who's lived his life --
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09:21
he's now in his mid-80s --
and he's dying with peace.
and he's dying with peace.
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现在他80好几了——
正平静地死去。你知道吧，对你世界观的检验
09:24
You know, the test of your worldview
is not how you act in the good times.
is not how you act in the good times.
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不是你在顺利的时候怎么表现，
对你世界观的检验是你在葬礼上怎么表现。
09:30
The test of your worldview
is how you act at the funeral.
is how you act at the funeral.
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经历过几百个甚至几千个葬礼之后，
09:35
And having been through literally
hundreds if not thousands of funerals,
hundreds if not thousands of funerals,
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那的确不一样。
09:39
it makes a difference.
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那能改变你所相信的东西。
09:41
It makes a difference what you believe.
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于是，我们把所有那些钱全部奉献回去，
09:44
So, we gave it all back,
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设立了三个基金会，
09:48
and then we set up three foundations,
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着力于世界上的一些主要问题：
09:51
working on some of the major
problems of the world:
problems of the world:
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文盲，贫穷，流行病——尤其是艾滋病——
09:53
illiteracy, poverty, pandemic diseases --
particularly HIV/AIDS --
particularly HIV/AIDS --
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设立这三个基金会，
09:59
and set up these three foundations,
and put the money into that.
and put the money into that.
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把钱放在里面。
我们所做的最后一件事是成为了我称为的“留10%的人”。
10:03
The last thing we did is we became
what I call "reverse tithers."
what I call "reverse tithers."
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我妻子和我30年前
10:07
And that is, when my wife
and I got married 30 years ago,
and I got married 30 years ago,
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结婚的时候，
我们就开始了什一奉献（捐献10%的收入）。
10:15
we started tithing.
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10:17
Now, that's a principle in the Bible
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圣经里面有个原则
说要把你所获得的10%捐给慈善机构，
10:20
that says give 10 percent
of what you get back to charity,
of what you get back to charity,
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捐出来帮助其他人。
10:23
give it away to help other people.
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10:25
So, we started doing that, and each year
we would raise our tithe one percent.
we would raise our tithe one percent.
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所以我们那时候开始这么做，每一年我们增加捐献1%。
10:29
So, our first year of marriage
we went to 11 percent,
we went to 11 percent,
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于是我们结婚后的第一年捐11%，
第二年捐12%，
10:32
second year we went to 12 percent,
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第三年捐13%，
10:34
and the third year we went to 13 percent,
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10:36
and on and on and on.
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每年依次递增。我为什么这么做？
10:39
Why did I do that?
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因为每次我捐献，
10:40
Because every time I give,
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就在我的人生中挣脱了功利主义的束缚。
10:42
it breaks the grip
of materialism in my life.
of materialism in my life.
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功利主义讲的全部是索取——拿，拿，拿，尽你所能去拿，
10:46
Materialism is all about getting --
get, get, get, get all you can,
get, get, get, get all you can,
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拿到之后像守财奴一样地守着，不惜破坏其他人的利益。
10:50
can all you get, sit on the can
and spoil the rest.
and spoil the rest.
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讲的全部是“更多”，拥有更多。
10:54
It's all about more, having more.
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而我们一般也认为好的人生其实就是看起来不错，
10:58
And we think that the good life
is actually looking good --
is actually looking good --
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那是所有东西里面最重要的——看起来不错，
11:02
that's most important of all --
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11:04
looking good, feeling good
and having the goods.
and having the goods.
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感觉不错，拥有财产。
但是那其实不是好的人生。
11:08
But that's not the good life.
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我经常碰到拥有这些东西的人，
11:10
I meet people all the time who have
those, and they're not necessarily happy.
those, and they're not necessarily happy.
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而他们并不一定幸福快乐。
如果金钱能使人快乐，
11:14
If money actually made you happy,
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11:17
then the wealthiest people
in the world would be the happiest.
in the world would be the happiest.
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那么世界上最富有的人应该是最幸福的。
其实我知道，亲身体验，不是这样的。
11:19
And that I know, personally,
I know, is not true.
I know, is not true.
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11:22
It's just not true.
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当然不是这样的。
11:25
So, the good life is not about looking
good, feeling good or having the goods,
good, feeling good or having the goods,
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所以说，好的人生不是要看起来不错，感觉不错或者拥有财产，
11:28
it's about being good and doing good.
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而是要做一个好的人，做好的事。
把你的人生贡献出去。
11:32
Giving your life away.
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人生中有意义的东西不是从社会地位中来，
11:34
Significance in life
doesn't come from status,
doesn't come from status,
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因为你总能找到比你拥有更多的人。
11:38
because you can always find
somebody who's got more than you.
somebody who's got more than you.
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也不是从做爱中来。
11:41
It doesn't come from sex.
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11:42
It doesn't come from salary.
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也不是从收入中来。
它来源于为别人服务。
11:45
It comes from serving.
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是从为别人服务中我们找到意思，
11:47
It is in giving our lives away
that we find meaning,
that we find meaning,
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找到意义。
11:50
we find significance.
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11:52
That's the way we were wired,
I believe, by God.
I believe, by God.
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我相信这就是上帝把我们互相联结的方式。
11:57
And so we began to give away,
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从我们开始捐献
12:00
and now after 30 years,
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到现在有30年了，
12:02
my wife and I are reverse tithers --
we give away 90 percent and live on 10.
we give away 90 percent and live on 10.
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我妻子和我成为了“留10%的人”——我们捐出去90%而用10%生活。
那其实是容易的部分。
12:07
That, actually, was the easy part.
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12:08
The hard part is, what do I do
with all this attention?
with all this attention?
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难的部分是：我怎么对待这所有的关注？
因为我开始收到各种各样的邀请。
12:12
Because I started getting
all kinds of invitations.
all kinds of invitations.
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我刚刚结束一个长达一个月
12:15
I just came off a nearly
month-long speaking tour
month-long speaking tour
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在3个大洲的巡回演讲，
12:19
on three different continents,
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在这里不说具体情况了，
12:21
and I won't go into that,
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但是那的确是异乎寻常的。
12:23
but it was an amazing thing.
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而我总在想，我应该怎么对待这些，
12:26
And I'm going, what do I do
with this notoriety
with this notoriety
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这本书带来的这些臭名气？
12:30
that the book has brought?
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12:32
And, being a pastor,
I started reading the Bible.
I started reading the Bible.
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因为是一个牧师，我开始阅读圣经。
圣经里面有一章“诗篇72”,
12:36
There's a chapter in the Bible
called Psalm 72,
called Psalm 72,
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讲所罗门祈祷要更多的影响力。
12:39
and it's Solomon's prayer
for more influence.
for more influence.
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当你看那一节的时候，
12:43
When you read this prayer,
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12:45
it sounds incredibly
selfish, self-centered.
selfish, self-centered.
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它听起来极其的自私，以自我为中心。
大概意思是，
他说：“上帝，我想你让我出名。”
12:49
He says, "God, I want you
to make me famous."
to make me famous."
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那就是他祈祷的。
12:51
That's what he prays.
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他说：“我想你让我出名。
12:53
He said, "I want you to make me famous.
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12:54
I want you to spread the fame
of my name through every land,
of my name through every land,
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我想你把我的美名传遍每一片土地，
我想你给我权力，
12:57
I want you to give me power.
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我想你让我出名。
13:01
I want you to make me famous,
I want you to give me influence."
I want you to give me influence."
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我想你赐予我影响力。”
13:04
And it just sounds like the most
egotistical request you could make,
egotistical request you could make,
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听起来就像是一个人在准备祈祷的时候有可能提出的
最以自我为中心的要求。
13:08
if you were going to pray.
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直到你看完整个诗篇，整个章节。
13:10
Until you read the whole psalm,
the whole chapter.
the whole chapter.
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后来他说：“那么国王”——
13:13
And then he says,
"So that the king ..." --
"So that the king ..." --
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他当时是以色列的国王是最有权的人——
13:15
he was the king of Israel
at that time, at its apex in power --
at that time, at its apex in power --
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“那么国王就可以关心寡妇和孤儿，
13:20
"... so that the king may care
for the widow and orphan,
for the widow and orphan,
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支持受压迫的人，保护无助的人，关心生病的人，
13:24
support the oppressed, defend
the defenseless, care for the sick,
the defenseless, care for the sick,
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帮助穷人，为那些关在牢房里面的
13:28
assist the poor,
speak up for the foreigner,
speak up for the foreigner,
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13:32
those in prison."
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外国人说话。”
13:34
Basically, he's talking about
all the marginalized in society.
all the marginalized in society.
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基本上他是在关心社会上所有的弱势群体。
当我看这节的时候，
13:37
And as I read that,
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我就发现，
13:39
I looked at it, and I thought, you know,
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13:42
what this is saying is that the purpose
of influence is to speak up
of influence is to speak up
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这节所讲的是影响力的目的
是为那些没有影响力的人说话。
13:46
for those who have no influence.
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影响力的目的不是为了膨胀你的自我，
13:50
The purpose of influence
is not to build your ego.
is not to build your ego.
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或者你的净价值。
13:55
Or your net worth.
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顺便说一下，你的净价值不等同于
13:57
And, by the way, your net worth is not
the same thing as your self-worth.
the same thing as your self-worth.
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你的自我价值。
14:00
Your value is not based on your valuables.
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你的价值不是基于你拥有的有价物品，
14:06
It's based on a whole
different set of things.
different set of things.
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而是基于完全不同的一整套东西。
14:08
And so the purpose
of influence is to speak up
of influence is to speak up
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影响力的目的是
为那些没有影响力的人说话。
14:11
for those who have no influence.
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我必须承认，
14:13
And I had to admit:
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我想不起来上次想到过寡妇和孤儿是什么时候了。
14:15
I can't think of the last time
I thought of widows and orphans.
I thought of widows and orphans.
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他们不在我的生活工作范围内。
14:18
They're not on my radar.
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我在美国最富有的地区之一的一个教堂里布道——
14:21
I pastor a church in one of the most
affluent areas of America --
affluent areas of America --
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在那里住的是一群有着门禁系统的人。
14:24
a bunch of gated communities.
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那个教堂满是总裁和科学家。
14:26
I have a church full
of CEOs and scientists.
of CEOs and scientists.
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我连续5年都不可能看到一个无家可归的人。
14:30
And I could go five years and never,
ever see a homeless person.
ever see a homeless person.
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14:35
They're just not in my pathway.
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他们就不在我的生活里面。
现在，我知道他们在圣安娜朝北13英里的地方。
14:37
Now, they're 13 miles
up the road in Santa Ana.
up the road in Santa Ana.
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14:41
So I had to say, ok,
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所以我必须说：“那行，
14:44
I would use whatever affluence
and whatever influence I've got
and whatever influence I've got
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我会尽我的财富和影响力
来帮助那些没有这两个东西的人。”
14:47
to help those who don't have
either of those.
either of those.
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你知道，圣经里面有一个关于摩西的故事。
14:52
You know, there's a story
in the Bible about Moses,
in the Bible about Moses,
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不管你认为它是真的还是假的——
14:55
whether you believe it's true or not,
it really doesn't matter to me.
it really doesn't matter to me.
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对我来说真的没有关系。
14:58
But Moses, if you saw the movie,
"The Ten Commandments,"
"The Ten Commandments,"
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但是摩西，如果你看过电影“十诫”就知道，
15:01
Moses goes out, and there's this
burning bush, and God talks to him,
burning bush, and God talks to him,
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摩西走出去了，那里是燃烧的荆棘丛，上帝在那里和他讲话。
15:04
and God says,
"Moses, what's in your hand?"
"Moses, what's in your hand?"
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上帝说：“摩西，
你手里拿的是什么？”
我觉得这是人可能被问到的最重要的问题之一。
15:10
I think that's one of the most important
questions you'll ever be asked:
questions you'll ever be asked:
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你手里是什么？
15:14
What's in your hand?
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摩西说：“一根棍子，
15:16
Moses says, "It's a staff.
It's a shepherd's staff."
It's a shepherd's staff."
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是一根牧羊人的棍子。”
15:21
And God says, "Throw it down."
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上帝说：“把它扔掉。”
15:22
And if you saw the movie, you know,
he throws it down and it becomes a snake.
he throws it down and it becomes a snake.
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如果你看过那部电影，你就会知道，他扔下它然后棍子变成了一条蛇。
然后上帝说：“再把它捡起来。”
15:29
And then God says, "Pick it up."
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他就捡了起来，
15:32
And he picks it back up again,
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and it becomes a staff again.
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它又变成了一根棍子。
那么我看着这个故事，就想，这是在讲什么？
15:37
Now, I'm reading this thing,
and I'm going, what is that all about?
and I'm going, what is that all about?
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是吧，这到底是在讲什么？不过，我的确知道一两件事情。
15:41
OK. What's that all about? Well,
I do know a couple of things.
I do know a couple of things.
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第一个，上帝从不用奇迹来炫耀。
15:44
Number one, God never does
a miracle to show off.
a miracle to show off.
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那不是要让你觉得“啊，很厉害吧？”
15:48
It's not just, "Wow, isn't that cool?"
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顺便说一下，上帝也没有必要在奶酪面包上现身。
15:50
And, by the way, my God doesn't
have to show up on cheese bread.
have to show up on cheese bread.
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你也知道，如果上帝要现身，
15:53
You know, if God's going to show up,
he's not going to show up on cheese bread.
he's not going to show up on cheese bread.
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他不会在奶酪面包上来现身。
（大家笑）
15:57
(Laughter)
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是吧。这也是为什么我喜欢迈克做的事情，
15:59
Ok? I just, this is why I love
what Michael does,
what Michael does,
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because it's like, if he's debunking it,
then I don't have to.
then I don't have to.
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因为如果他正在揭穿真相，那么我就不用那样做了。
16:06
But God -- my God --
doesn't show up on sprinkler images.
doesn't show up on sprinkler images.
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但是上帝，我的上帝，也不会在喷淋头图片上现身。
16:10
He's got a few more powerful ways
than that to do whatever he wants to do.
than that to do whatever he wants to do.
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他有一些更加神奇的方式
来做他想做的任何事情。
16:15
But he doesn't do miracles
just to show off.
just to show off.
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但是他不会显示神迹纯粹为了炫耀。
第二，如果上帝某次问你一个问题，
16:18
Second thing is,
if God ever asks you a question,
if God ever asks you a question,
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他其实是知道答案的。
16:20
he already knows the answer.
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16:22
Obviously, if he's God,
then that would mean
then that would mean
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显然，如果他是上帝，就意味着
16:24
that when he asks the question,
it's for your benefit, not his.
it's for your benefit, not his.
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当他问一个问题，是为了你的好处，不是为他自己好。
他问：“你手里是什么？”
16:28
So he's going, "What's in your hand?"
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那么，摩西手里拿的是什么？
16:30
Now, what was in Moses' hand?
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16:32
Well, it was a shepherd's staff.
Now, follow me on this.
Now, follow me on this.
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哦，是一根牧羊人的棍子。现在跟着我这样来想这个故事。
这根棍子在摩西的生活中代表三个东西。
16:36
This staff represented
three things about Moses' life.
three things about Moses' life.
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首先，它代表了他的身份。
16:39
First, it represented his identity;
he was a shepherd.
he was a shepherd.
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他是一个牧羊人。它是他自己职业的象征：
16:43
It's the symbol of his own occupation:
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我是一个牧羊人。它是他的身份，职业，工作的象征符号。
16:46
I am a shepherd.
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16:48
It's a symbol of his identity,
his career, his job.
his career, his job.
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第二，它不仅仅是他的身份的象征，
16:51
Second, it's a symbol
of not only his identity,
of not only his identity,
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也是他的收入的象征，因为所有他的财产都在羊上面。
16:54
it's a symbol of his income, because all
of his assets are tied up in sheep.
of his assets are tied up in sheep.
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那个时候没有人有银行账号，
16:58
In those days, nobody had bank accounts,
or American Express cards, or hedge funds.
or American Express cards, or hedge funds.
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美国运通卡，或者对冲基金。
你的财产都在你的羊群上。
17:03
Your assets are tied up in your flocks.
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所以说那是他的身份的象征，也是他收入的象征。
17:06
So it's a symbol of his identity,
and it's a symbol of his income.
and it's a symbol of his income.
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第三，它是他的影响力的象征。
17:09
And the third thing:
it's a symbol of his influence.
it's a symbol of his influence.
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你拿着一根牧羊人的棍子能干什么？
17:13
What do you do with a shepherd's staff?
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不用说你也知道，能用来把羊群从这个地方赶到那个地方，
17:16
Well, you know, you move sheep
from point A to point B with it,
from point A to point B with it,
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不管怎么赶。
17:20
by hook or by crook.
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你拖它们或者戳它们，不管用什么方法。
17:22
You pull them or you poke them.
One or the other.
One or the other.
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所以他是在说：
17:26
So, he's saying,
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“你将要放下你的身份。
17:28
"You're going to lay down your identity.
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你手里是什么？你有身份，有收入，有影响力。
17:30
What's in your hand?
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17:31
You've got identity, you've got income,
you've got influence.
you've got influence.
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你手里是什么？
17:34
What's in your hand?"
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他在说：“如果你把它放下，我就会让它活起来。
17:36
And he's saying, "If you lay it down,
I'll make it come alive.
I'll make it come alive.
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我会做一些你根本想像不到的事情。”
17:39
I'll do some things
you could never imagine possible."
you could never imagine possible."
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如果你看过那部电影“十诫”就知道，
17:42
And if you've watched that movie,
"Ten Commandments,"
"Ten Commandments,"
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所有那些埃及发生的大奇迹
17:44
all of those big miracles that happen
in Egypt are done through this staff.
in Egypt are done through this staff.
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都是通过那根棍子完成的。
去年，我应邀到NBA全明星赛演讲。
17:51
Last year, I was invited to speak
at the NBA All-Stars game.
at the NBA All-Stars game.
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17:56
And so, I'm talking to the players,
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那么我就跟那些球员聊。
18:00
because most of the NBA teams,
NFL teams and all the other teams
NFL teams and all the other teams
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NBA，橄榄球联盟(NFL)，和所有其他球队的大多数球员
都参加过基于那本书的“有意义的40天”课程。
18:04
have done this 40 Days of Purpose,
based on the book.
based on the book.
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我问他们：“你手里是什么？”
18:07
And I asked them, I said,
"What's in your hand?
"What's in your hand?
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对吧，你手里有什么？我说：“是一个篮球，
18:12
So, what's in your hand?"
I said, "It's a basketball.
I said, "It's a basketball.
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那个篮球代表了你的身份，你是谁。
18:16
And that basketball represents
your identity, who you are:
your identity, who you are:
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你是一个NBA球员。它也代表了你的收入。
18:20
you're an NBA player.
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18:21
It represents your income:
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你从这个小小的球上面赚一大笔钱。
18:23
you're making a lot of money
off that little ball.
off that little ball.
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它也代表你的影响力。
18:26
And it represents your influence.
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18:28
And even though you're only going
to be in the NBA for a few years,
to be in the NBA for a few years,
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即使你只在NBA里面呆个几年，
18:31
you're going to be an NBA player
for the rest of your life.
for the rest of your life.
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你今后都会被看成是一个NBA球员。
而这个身份给你巨大的影响力。
18:34
And that gives you enormous influence.
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那么，你准备怎么对待这些（上帝）给你的东西？”
18:37
So, what are you going to do
with what you've been given?"
with what you've been given?"
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我觉得这也是我今天来到这里的主要原因，
18:41
And I guess that's the main reason
I came up here today,
I came up here today,
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是对所有你们这些TED的聪明人
18:46
to all of you very bright people at TED --
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说：“你手里是什么？”
18:49
it is to say, "What's in your hand?"
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你拥有什么（上帝）给你的东西？
18:53
What do you have that you've been given?
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18:57
Talent, background, education,
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才能，背景，教育，
19:01
freedom, networks, opportunities,
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自由，人际网络，机会，
财富，想法，创造力。
19:05
wealth, ideas, creativity.
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19:08
What are you doing
with what you've been given?
with what you've been given?
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你在怎么对待
这些给你的东西？
19:12
That, to me, is the primary
question about life.
question about life.
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这个，对我来说，是人生的最基本的问题。
19:16
That, to me, is what being
purpose-driven is all about.
purpose-driven is all about.
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这个，对我来说，是目的驱动的所有内涵。
19:20
In the book, I talk about
how you're wired to do certain things,
how you're wired to do certain things,
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在书里面，我讲到你是怎样被搭建去做某些事情，怎样被塑造的。
19:24
you're "SHAPED" with -- a little acrostic:
Spiritual gifts, Heart,
Spiritual gifts, Heart,
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这个小小的十字架包含着精神上的礼物，心灵，
19:27
Ability, Personality and Experiences.
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能力，个性和经验。
这些东西塑造了你的状态。
19:30
These things shape you.
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如果你想知道你应该怎么对待你的人生，
19:32
And if you want to know what you ought
to be doing with your life,
to be doing with your life,
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你需要审视一下你的状态。我被搭建起来去做什么？
19:35
you need to look at your shape --
"What am I wired to do?"
"What am I wired to do?"
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难道上帝创造你出来去做一些事情，
19:38
Why would God wire you to do something
and then not have you do it?
and then not have you do it?
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却又不让你去做？
如果你被创造出来去做一个人类学家，你就会成为一个人类学家。
19:41
If you're wired to be an anthropologist,
you'll be an anthropologist.
you'll be an anthropologist.
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如果你被创造出来去做一个海底探险员，
19:44
If you're wired to be
an undersea explorer,
an undersea explorer,
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你就会成为一个海底探险员。
19:46
you'll be an undersea explorer.
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如果你被创造出来做生意，你就去做生意。
19:48
If you're wired to make deals,
you make deals.
you make deals.
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如果你被创造出来去画画，你就画画。
19:50
If you're wired to paint, you paint.
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你知道在你做好你自己的时候上帝会微笑吗？
19:53
Did you know that God smiles
when you be you?
when you be you?
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当我小孩还小的时候——
19:57
When my little kids --
when my kids were little --
when my kids were little --
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19:59
they're all grown now, I have grandkids --
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他们现在都长大了，现在我都有孙子了——
我经常走到他们卧室里面，坐在他们的床边，
20:01
I used to go in and sit
on the side of their bed,
on the side of their bed,
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经常看孩子们睡觉。
20:04
and I used to watch my kids sleep.
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就只是看着他们小巧的身体一起——，一伏——，
20:07
And I just watched their little bodies
rise and lower, rise and lower.
rise and lower, rise and lower.
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一起——，一伏——。
20:12
And I would look at them:
"This is not an accident."
"This is not an accident."
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看着他们我就会想，这绝不是偶然。
一起——，一伏——。
20:15
Rise and lower.
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就只从看着他们睡觉我都能感受到愉悦。
20:18
And I got joy out of just
watching them sleep.
watching them sleep.
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20:24
Some people have the misguided idea
that God only gets excited
that God only gets excited
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有些人错误地认为
只有你做“精神上的事情”的时候上帝才高兴，
20:27
when you're doing, quote,
"spiritual things,"
"spiritual things,"
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比如去教堂，帮助穷人，
20:29
like going to church or helping the poor,
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或者忏悔，诸如此类。
20:32
or, you know, confessing
or doing something like that.
or doing something like that.
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其实最根本的是：上帝从看着你做自己该做的事情中得到快乐。为什么？
20:36
The bottom line is, God gets pleasure
watching you be you.
watching you be you.
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20:40
Why? He made you.
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因为他造就的你。而当你在做该做的事情的时候，
20:42
And when you do what you were made to do,
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他就想：“这就是我的男孩。
20:45
he goes, "That's my boy! That's my girl!
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这就是我的女孩。
你们在运用我给你们的才华和能力。”
20:49
You're using the talent
and ability that I gave you."
and ability that I gave you."
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因此我给你们的建议是：
20:53
So my advice to you is:
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看看你手里的是什么——
20:55
look at what's in your hand --
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你的身份，你的影响力，你的收入——
20:57
your identity, your influence,
your income --
your income --
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说：“这些与我自身无关。
21:01
and say, "It's not about me.
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这些是为了让这个世界成为一个更好的地方。”
21:04
It's about making the world
a better place."
a better place."
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谢谢。
21:08
Thank you.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Rick Warren - Pastor, authorPastor Rick Warren is the author of The Purpose-Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His has become an immensely influential voice seeking to apply the values of his faith to issues such as global poverty, HIV/AIDS and injustice.
Why you should listen
Pastor Rick Warren is one of the world's most influential Christians. His Saddleback Church, founded in 1980, boasts a congregation of 22,000, and his Purpose-Driven Life is one of the best-selling books of all time. Warren's mission is to attack what he calls the five "Global Goliaths" -- spiritual emptiness, egocentric leadership, extreme poverty, pandemic disease, and illiteracy and poor education.
He teaches that doing good is the only way humans create significance in our lives. He and his wife famously became "reverse tithers," donating 90 percent of their considerable fortune to philanthropic causes. Warren is particularly passionate about fighting AIDS, and in 2006, his church hosted the second annual Global Summit on AIDS and the Church, attended by US Senator Barack Obama, among others (controversial within the evangelical movement, because Obama is pro-choice).
In recent years, Warren has become a prominent steward of social justice, speaking out on poverty relief and encouraging spiritual leaders to play a role in guiding the planet toward sustainability. (He even attended the premiere of An Inconvenient Truth, after meeting Al Gore and producer Lawrence Bender at TED2006.)
Given his global focus and considerable platform, Warren has become a sought-after advisor to world leaders, speaking at the United Nations, the World Economic Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations. His involvement in the 2008 Presidential election sparked controversy and praise from both sides; during the campaign trail, he hosted candidates John McCain and Barack Obama at Saddleback Church for a forum on moral issues. It was the first time McCain and Obama appeared together publicly as presidential candidates. When Barack Obama was later elected to office, he asked Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration.
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