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Thomas Hellum: The world's most boring television ... and why it's hilariously addictive
Thomas Hellum: 世上最無聊的電視以及它為什麼如此讓人上癮
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你可能聽說過慢食。現在慢活秀來了。在這個有趣的演講中，挪威電視製片人 Thomas Hellum 跟大家分享了他和他的團隊錄製又長又無聊的現場直播節目的故事，而這些節目火爆了。它們包括了7個小時的火車之旅，18個小時的釣魚之旅和5.5個小時的挪威海岸線之旅。結果是美麗的，引人入勝的。真的。
Thomas Hellum - Slow television advocate
Thomas Hellum is an award-winning television producer who works at NRK Hordaland in Norway. Full bio
Thomas Hellum is an award-winning television producer who works at NRK Hordaland in Norway. Full bio
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00:13
Thank you.
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謝謝。
00:14
I have only got 18 minutes
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我只有18分鐘的時間，
00:15
to explain something
that lasts for hours and days,
that lasts for hours and days,
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來說幾小時、幾天內發生的事，
00:18
so I'd better get started.
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所以我最好趕快開始。
00:21
Let's start with a clip
from Al Jazeera's Listening Post.
from Al Jazeera's Listening Post.
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首先我們來看一段影片
來自半島電視台的報導。
來自半島電視台的報導。
00:26
Richard Gizbert: Norway is a country that
gets relatively little media coverage.
gets relatively little media coverage.
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Richard Gizbert：挪威這個國家
較少受到媒體關注，
較少受到媒體關注，
00:30
Even the elections this past week
passed without much drama.
passed without much drama.
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甚至在上禮拜舉行的選舉
也是平和落幕。
也是平和落幕。
00:33
And that's the Norwegian
media in a nutshell:
media in a nutshell:
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挪威媒體所做的報導
一言以蔽之：
一言以蔽之：
00:36
not much drama.
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平淡無奇。
00:37
A few years back,
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幾年前，
00:38
Norway's public TV channel NRK
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挪威的公共電視頻道，NRK，
00:41
decided to broadcast live coverage
of a seven-hour train ride --
of a seven-hour train ride --
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決定即時轉播
一趟7小時的火車之旅，
一趟7小時的火車之旅，
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seven hours of simple footage,
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7小時，一刀未剪，
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a train rolling down the tracks.
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就一輛火車在軌道上奔馳著。
00:50
Norwegians, more than a million of them
according to the ratings, loved it.
according to the ratings, loved it.
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根據收視率，這節目100多萬挪威人都愛看。
00:53
A new kind of reality TV show was born,
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於是新品種的實境秀誕生了，
00:56
and it goes against all the rules
of TV engagement.
of TV engagement.
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這打破了所有電視節目的規則。
01:00
There is no story line, no script,
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它完全沒有故事性，沒有台詞，
01:02
no drama, no climax,
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沒有劇情，沒有高潮迭起，
01:04
and it's called Slow TV.
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而這被稱為「慢活秀」。
01:06
For the past two months,
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過去兩個月，
01:07
Norwegians have been watching
a cruise ship's journey up the coast,
a cruise ship's journey up the coast,
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挪威民眾已收看了一趟
遊艇海岸之旅，
遊艇海岸之旅，
01:11
and there's a lot of fog on that coast.
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岸邊雲霧朦朧。
01:13
Executives at Norway's
National Broadcasting Service
National Broadcasting Service
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挪威國家電視台高層
01:16
are now considering broadcasting
a night of knitting nationwide.
a night of knitting nationwide.
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正考慮下次要播放
全國編織之夜。
全國編織之夜。
01:20
On the surface, it sounds boring,
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表面上，這聽起來很無趣，
01:23
because it is,
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因為它的確無聊。
01:24
but something about this TV experiment
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但這場電視實驗，
又有些什麼
又有些什麼
01:26
has gripped Norwegians.
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抓住了挪威觀眾的心。
01:28
So we sent the Listening Post's
Marcela Pizarro to Oslo
Marcela Pizarro to Oslo
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我們派記者
瑪塞拉·皮薩蘿，到奧斯陸
去了解這到底是怎麼回事。
去了解這到底是怎麼回事。
01:31
to find out what it is,
but first a warning:
but first a warning:
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事前警告：
觀眾對接下來的報導
可能會感覺非常失望。
可能會感覺非常失望。
01:34
Viewers may find some of the images
in the following report disappointing.
in the following report disappointing.
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01:38
(Laughter)
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〔觀眾笑〕
01:40
Thomas Hellum: And then follows
an eight-minute story on Al Jazeera
an eight-minute story on Al Jazeera
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Thomas Hellum：
接下來是半島新聞的八分鐘報導，
接下來是半島新聞的八分鐘報導，
01:43
about some strange
TV programs in little Norway.
TV programs in little Norway.
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是關於來自小小挪威的
一個怪怪的電視節目。
一個怪怪的電視節目。
01:46
Al Jazeera. CNN. How did we get there?
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半島新聞，CNN，
為什麼大家都有興趣？
為什麼大家都有興趣？
01:49
We have to go back to 2009,
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那就必須回溯到2009年，
01:51
when one of my colleagues
got a great idea.
got a great idea.
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我的一位同事想到了很棒的點子，
01:53
Where do you get your ideas?
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在哪想出來的？
01:55
In the lunchroom.
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在午休區。
01:57
So he said, why don't we make
a radio program
a radio program
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他就說：「我們何不做一檔
廣播節目，
廣播節目，
02:00
marking the day of the German invasion
of Norway in 1940.
of Norway in 1940.
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選在1940年德國入侵挪威的
那個日期，
那個日期，
02:04
We tell the story at the exact time
during the night.
during the night.
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我們在一模一樣的時間
重現歷史當晚的故事，
重現歷史當晚的故事，
02:08
Wow. Brilliant idea, except
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哇，很棒的點子，只是
02:10
this was just a couple of weeks
before the invasion day.
before the invasion day.
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離入侵紀念日只剩幾個禮拜的時間了，
02:13
So we sat in our lunchroom and discussed
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我們坐在午休區討論
02:15
what other stories
can you tell as they evolve?
can you tell as they evolve?
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還有其他什麼故事可以展開？
02:19
What other things take a really long time?
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還有什麼事要花很長的時間？
02:24
So one of us came up with a train.
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有個人就想到火車，
02:26
The Bergen Railway had its
100-year anniversary that year
100-year anniversary that year
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卑爾根鐵道，
在那年要慶祝一百週年，
在那年要慶祝一百週年，
02:30
It goes from western Norway
to eastern Norway,
to eastern Norway,
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它連接了東西部的挪威，
02:33
and it takes exactly the same time
as it did 40 years ago,
as it did 40 years ago,
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而車程所費時間
和40年前完全一樣，
和40年前完全一樣，
02:37
over seven hours. (Laughter)
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7個多小時。〔觀眾笑〕
02:40
So we caught our commissioning editors
in Oslo, and we said,
in Oslo, and we said,
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然後我們就找到
奧斯陸的委製編審，說：
奧斯陸的委製編審，說：
02:43
we want to make a documentary
about the Bergen Railway,
about the Bergen Railway,
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「我們想做一部有關
卑爾根鐵道的紀錄片，
卑爾根鐵道的紀錄片，
02:46
and we want to make it in full length,
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而且要全程紀錄。」
02:48
and the answer was,
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他回答說：
02:50
"Yes, but how long will the program be?"
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「好，那節目要多長？」
02:51
"Oh," we said, "full length."
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「喔，」我們說：「全程。」
02:53
"Yes, but we mean the program."
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「對，但我是說節目長度。」
02:55
And back and forth.
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就這樣來來回回......
02:57
Luckily for us, they met us with laughter,
very, very good laughter,
very, very good laughter,
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幸好，他們明白後大笑，
他們真的大笑很久。
他們真的大笑很久。
03:02
so one bright day in September,
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於是在九月晴朗的一天，
03:05
we started a program that we thought
should be seven hours and four minutes.
should be seven hours and four minutes.
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我們開始錄節目，
預計長度是7個小時又4分鐘。
預計長度是7個小時又4分鐘。
03:09
Actually, it turned out
to be seven hours and 14 minutes
to be seven hours and 14 minutes
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實際花了7個小時又14分鐘，
03:12
due to a signal failure
at the last station.
at the last station.
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因為在終點站的信號傳輸有點問題。
03:16
We had four cameras,
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我們架了四部攝影機，
03:18
three of them pointing out
to the beautiful nature.
to the beautiful nature.
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三機拍攝外頭美麗的自然風景，
03:22
Some talking to the guests,
some information.
some information.
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加點乘客的訪談，
也有些資訊：
也有些資訊：
03:26
(Video) Train announcement:
We will arrive at Haugastøl Station.
We will arrive at Haugastøl Station.
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〔影片〕
「我們即將抵達豪加斯托站。」
「我們即將抵達豪加斯托站。」
03:30
TH: And that's about it,
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Thomas Hellum：就這樣，沒了。
03:31
but of course, also
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但是當然，
160個隧道讓我們有時間
給觀眾一些背景知識。
給觀眾一些背景知識。
03:33
the 160 tunnels gave us the opportunity
to do some archives.
to do some archives.
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〔挪威語〕
「飯後來點曖昧調情有助消化。
「飯後來點曖昧調情有助消化。
03:37
Narrator [in Norwegian]: Then a bit of
flirting while the food is digested.
flirting while the food is digested.
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03:42
The last downhill stretch
before we reach our destination.
before we reach our destination.
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這是抵達終點站前最後一段下坡。
03:47
We pass Mjølfjell Station.
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剛經過的是米歐菲爾站。
03:52
Then a new tunnel.
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接下來要經過一段新的隧道。」
03:54
(Laughter)
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〔觀眾笑〕
03:55
TH: And now we thought, yes,
we have a brilliant program.
we have a brilliant program.
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然後我們覺得，
好啦，節目製作完成。
好啦，節目製作完成。
03:59
It will fit for the 2,000
train spotters in Norway.
train spotters in Norway.
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它可以吸引約2000名的挪威鐵道迷。
04:03
We brought it on air in November 2009.
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節目在2009年11月播出。
但我們錯了，
節目出人意料的紅。
節目出人意料的紅。
04:06
But no, this was far more attractive.
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04:08
This is the five biggest TV channels
in Norway on a normal Friday,
in Norway on a normal Friday,
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這是挪威前五大頻道
在一個普通的星期五的數據，
在一個普通的星期五的數據，
04:12
and if you look at NRK2 over here,
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你可以看到NRK2在這裡，
04:14
look what happened when they put on
the Bergen Railway show:
the Bergen Railway show:
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注意當卑爾根鐵道秀播出的時候，
看看發生了什麼：
看看發生了什麼：
1百20萬的挪威觀眾
收看了這個節目。
收看了這個節目。
04:18
1.2 million Norwegians
watched part of this program.
watched part of this program.
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04:22
(Applause)
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〔鼓掌〕
04:26
And another funny thing:
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另外有趣的是：
04:28
When the host on our main channel,
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NRK本台的主播，
04:30
after they have got news for you,
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為觀眾播報完優質的新聞之後，
04:33
she said, "And on our second channel,
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她說：「此刻本台NRK2頻道的
04:35
the train has now
nearly reached Myrdal station."
nearly reached Myrdal station."
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火車正要抵達米爾道站。」
04:38
Thousands of people
just jumped on the train
just jumped on the train
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很多人立刻轉向了
04:41
on our second channel like this.
(Laughter)
(Laughter)
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我們的第二頻道，就像這樣。
〔觀眾笑〕
〔觀眾笑〕
04:45
This was also a huge success
in terms of social media.
in terms of social media.
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這對於社群媒體也是個很大的成功。
04:49
It was so nice to see all the thousands
of Facebook and Twitter users
of Facebook and Twitter users
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這真的很棒，
看到成千上萬的臉書及推特用戶
看到成千上萬的臉書及推特用戶
04:53
discussing the same view,
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看著一樣的風景，
04:55
talking to each other as if they were
on the same train together.
on the same train together.
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彼此聊著，
好像他們都一塊兒在火車上。
好像他們都一塊兒在火車上。
05:00
And especially, I like this one.
It's a 76-year-old man.
It's a 76-year-old man.
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特別是，我喜歡這個，
一位76歲的老翁，
一位76歲的老翁，
05:03
He's watched all the program,
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他從頭到尾收看，
05:05
and at the end station, he rises up
to pick up what he thinks is his luggage,
to pick up what he thinks is his luggage,
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到了終點的時候，
他起身要拿自己的行李，
他起身要拿自己的行李，
05:09
and his head hit the curtain rod,
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然後他頭撞到了窗簾桿，
05:13
and he realized he is
in his own living room.
in his own living room.
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才發現自己坐在自家客廳。
05:15
(Applause)
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〔鼓掌〕
05:21
So that's strong and living TV.
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所以，這節目真是栩栩如生。
05:26
Four hundred and thirty-six
minute by minute on a Friday night,
minute by minute on a Friday night,
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星期五的436分鐘，
一分一秒地過去，
一分一秒地過去，
05:29
and during that first night,
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而就在首播當晚
05:31
the first Twitter message came:
Why be a chicken?
Why be a chicken?
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第一則推特留言說：
「幹嘛那麼怕，
「幹嘛那麼怕，
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Why stop at 436
when you can expand that
when you can expand that
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幹嘛停在436分鐘？
你們可以延長到
你們可以延長到
05:39
to 8,040, minute by minute,
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8040分鐘，一分不差，
05:43
and do the iconic journey in Norway,
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展現挪威的代表性旅程，
05:45
the coastal ship journey Hurtigruten
from Bergen to Kirkenes,
from Bergen to Kirkenes,
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海達路登的的海岸航行，
從卑爾根到科根尼斯，
從卑爾根到科根尼斯，
05:48
almost 3,000 kilometers,
covering most of our coast.
covering most of our coast.
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大約3000公里，
幾乎是完整的海岸線，
幾乎是完整的海岸線，
05:52
It has 120-year-old,
very interesting history,
very interesting history,
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它已經有120年非常有趣的歷史，
05:56
and literally takes part in life
and death along the coast.
and death along the coast.
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它見證了海岸沿線的生與死。
06:01
So just a week after the Bergen Railway,
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所以，卑爾根鐵道節目
剛播出一個禮拜，
剛播出一個禮拜，
06:04
we called the Hurtigruten company
and we started planning for our next show.
and we started planning for our next show.
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我們就致電給海德路登公司，
計畫要拍攝下一次的節目。
計畫要拍攝下一次的節目。
06:10
We wanted to do something different.
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我們想來點不一樣的。
06:12
The Bergen Railway was a recorded program.
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卑爾根鐵道是錄影播出的節目。
06:15
So when we sat in our editing room,
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我們坐在剪接室，
看著這個畫面，
這是停靠在阿爾站，
這是停靠在阿爾站，
06:17
we watched this picture --
it's all Ål Station --
it's all Ål Station --
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06:20
we saw this journalist.
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我們看到這位記者，
06:21
We had called him, we had spoken to him,
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當時我們有叫住他，
和他說上話，
和他說上話，
06:23
and when we left the station,
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當火車要離站的時候
06:25
he took this picture of us
and he waved to the camera,
and he waved to the camera,
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他拍了一張我們的照片，
向我們的鏡頭揮揮手，
向我們的鏡頭揮揮手，
06:28
and we thought,
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讓我們想到，
06:30
what if more people knew
that we were on board that train?
that we were on board that train?
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如果讓更多人知道
我們要搭那輛火車呢？
我們要搭那輛火車呢？
06:33
Would more people show up?
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會不會有更多人過來？
06:35
What would it look like?
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那個畫面會如何？
06:37
So we decided our next project,
it should be live.
it should be live.
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因此我們決定，下一個節目
應該要現場直播。
應該要現場直播。
06:40
We wanted this picture of us on the fjord
and on the screen at the same time.
and on the screen at the same time.
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我們希望我們在峽灣的畫面
和這樣的場景同步播出，
和這樣的場景同步播出，
06:47
So this is not the first time
NRK had been on board a ship.
NRK had been on board a ship.
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話說，
這不是NRK第一次登船採訪。
這不是NRK第一次登船採訪。
06:50
This is back in 1964,
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上次是1964年，
06:52
when the technical managers
have suits and ties
have suits and ties
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當時技術經理還穿西裝打領帶，
06:54
and NRK rolled all its equipment
on board a ship,
on board a ship,
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NRK把所有的機器設備搬上船，
06:58
and 200 meters out of the shore,
transmitting the signal back,
transmitting the signal back,
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在距離岸邊200公尺的海上
傳回影像訊號，
傳回影像訊號，
07:03
and in the machine room,
they talked to the machine guy,
they talked to the machine guy,
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他們在機房和機師交談，
07:06
and on the deck, they have
splendid entertainment.
splendid entertainment.
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甲板上，有很棒的表演...
所以說，登船不是第一次，
07:11
So being on a ship,
it's not the first time.
it's not the first time.
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07:17
But five and a half days in a row,
and live, we wanted some help.
and live, we wanted some help.
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但要拍攝五天半，連續拍攝，
我們需要一些幫助。
我們需要一些幫助。
07:22
And we asked our viewers out there,
what do you want to see?
what do you want to see?
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我們問觀眾，你們想看到什麼？
07:26
What do you want us to film?
How do you want this to look?
How do you want this to look?
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你們希望我們拍些什麼？
你們想要這是什麼樣的？
你們想要這是什麼樣的？
07:30
Do you want us to make a website?
What do you want on it?
What do you want on it?
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你們想要我們架個網站嗎？
網站上要放些什麼？
網站上要放些什麼？
07:33
And we got some answers
from you out there,
from you out there,
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然後我們就從你們那
收集很多答案，
收集很多答案，
07:35
and it helped us a very lot
to build the program.
to build the program.
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對於節目企劃有很大的幫助。
07:39
So in June 2011,
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所以在2011年6月，
07:42
23 of us went on board
the Hurtigruten coastal ship
the Hurtigruten coastal ship
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我們一行23人搭上了
海德路登的海岸航線，
海德路登的海岸航線，
07:46
and we set off.
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揚帆出發。
07:48
(Music)
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〔音樂〕
那個星期給我很深的回憶，
都跟人有關，
都跟人有關，
08:47
I have some really strong memories
from that week, and it's all about people.
from that week, and it's all about people.
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08:51
This guy, for instance,
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例如說這位，
08:52
he's head of research
at the University in Tromsø
at the University in Tromsø
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他是特羅姆瑟大學的研究主持人，
08:55
(Laughter)
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〔笑聲〕
08:57
And I will show you a piece of cloth,
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我要給大家看一小塊布，
09:02
this one.
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這件。
09:06
It's the other strong memory.
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這也是另一個深刻回憶。
09:07
It belongs to a guy called Erik Hansen.
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它來自一位名叫艾瑞克．漢森的人，
09:12
And it's people like those two
who took a firm grip of our program,
who took a firm grip of our program,
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就是有像他們兩位這樣的人，
讓節目很有效果，
讓節目很有效果，
09:20
and together with thousands
of others along the route,
of others along the route,
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路上遇到很多很多
像他們這樣的人們，
像他們這樣的人們，
09:24
they made the program what it became.
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他們成就了這個節目。
09:27
They made all the stories.
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有他們才有故事。
09:30
This is Karl. He's in the ninth grade.
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這是卡爾，他九年級。
09:33
It says, "I will be a little
late for school tomorrow."
late for school tomorrow."
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他寫道：「明天上學
我會晚點到。」
我會晚點到。」
09:36
He was supposed to be
in the school at 8 a.m.
in the school at 8 a.m.
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他早上八點要到校，
09:39
He came at 9 a.m., and he didn't
get a note from his teacher,
get a note from his teacher,
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他九點才到，但沒有被老師處罰，
09:42
because the teacher
had watched the program.
had watched the program.
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因為老師有看這個節目。
09:44
(Laughter)
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〔笑聲〕
09:46
How did we do this?
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我們怎麼做的？
09:47
Yes, we took a conference room
on board the Hurtigruten.
on board the Hurtigruten.
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是的，我們選了間會議室，
在海德路登的船上，
在海德路登的船上，
09:50
We turned it into
a complete TV control room.
a complete TV control room.
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我們把它改造成了
一間電視演播室，
一間電視演播室，
09:54
We made it all work, of course,
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我們搞定了一切，當然，
09:57
and then we took along 11 cameras.
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然後我們帶上11部攝影機，
09:59
This is one of them.
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這是其中之一，
10:00
This is my sketch from February,
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這是我二月畫的，
10:02
and when you give this sketch
to professional people
to professional people
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你把這圖交給專業人士，
10:04
in the Norwegian broadcasting company NRK,
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也就是
挪威公共電視的人(NRK)，
挪威公共電視的人(NRK)，
10:07
you get some cool stuff back.
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他們就搞出一些很酷的東西，
10:10
And with some very creative solutions.
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一些很有創意的解決辦法。
10:14
(Video) Narrator [in Norwegian]:
Run it up and down.
Run it up and down.
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〔影片〕挪威語：
控制往上或往下，
控制往上或往下，
10:16
This is Norway's most
important drill right now.
important drill right now.
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這是目前全挪威最重要的一把電鑽，
10:20
It regulates the height of a bow
camera in NRK's live production,
camera in NRK's live production,
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電鑽是用來調節船外攝影機的高低，
用於NRK即時轉播的節目。
用於NRK即時轉播的節目。
10:26
one of 11 that capture
great shots from the MS Nord-Norge.
great shots from the MS Nord-Norge.
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北挪威號上共配置了11台攝影機，
其中一台來拍攝壯麗的景觀。
其中一台來拍攝壯麗的景觀。
10:30
Eight wires keep the camera stable.
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船外攝影機需要八條鋼索固定，
10:33
Cameraman: I work
on different camera solutions.
on different camera solutions.
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攝影師：我有各種拍攝工具，
10:37
They're just tools
used in a different context.
used in a different context.
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適用於不同環境。
10:40
TH: Another camera is this one.
It's normally used for sports.
It's normally used for sports.
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Thomas Hellum：另一台攝影機是這個。
通常是拍運動賽事，
通常是拍運動賽事，
10:44
It made it possible for us to take
close-up pictures of people
close-up pictures of people
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它可以用來拍人物的特寫，
10:47
100 kilomteres away,
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即使那人遠在100公里之外，
10:49
like this one. (Laughter)
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譬如這位。〔觀眾笑〕
10:54
People called us and asked,
how is this man doing?
how is this man doing?
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很多人打電話來問我們，
那個人後來怎麼樣了？
那個人後來怎麼樣了？
10:57
He's doing fine. Everything went well.
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他很好，一切順利。
11:00
We also could take pictures of
people waving at us,
people waving at us,
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我們也能拍到
人們向我們揮手的畫面，
人們向我們揮手的畫面，
11:03
people along the route,
thousands of them,
thousands of them,
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在沿路上，
成千上萬的人，
成千上萬的人，
11:05
and they all had a phone in their hand.
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他們都有帶手機，
11:08
And when you take a picture of them,
and they get the message,
and they get the message,
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所以當他們被拍到的時候，
他們會收到消息：
他們會收到消息：
11:11
"Now we are on TV, dad,"
they start waving back.
they start waving back.
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「爸，我們上電視了。」
他們就揮手回應。
他們就揮手回應。
11:13
This was waving TV
for five and a half days,
for five and a half days,
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這就是「揮手秀」，
揮了五天半，
揮了五天半，
11:16
and people get so extremely happy
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人們都好高興，
11:18
when they can send a warm message
to their loved ones.
to their loved ones.
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他們可以傳遞一些有溫度的訊息，
傳達給所愛的人。
傳達給所愛的人。
11:23
It was also a great success
on social media.
on social media.
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這在社群媒體上也是一大成功。
11:26
On the last day, we met
Her Majesty the Queen of Norway,
Her Majesty the Queen of Norway,
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最後一天，
我們見到了挪威皇后陛下，
我們見到了挪威皇后陛下，
11:29
and Twitter couldn't quite handle it.
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推特，頓時快掛了，
11:33
And we also, on the web,
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同時，在線上，
11:35
during this week we streamed
more than 100 years of video
more than 100 years of video
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當週我們的串流
影片長度超過了100年，
影片長度超過了100年，
11:40
to 148 nations,
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在148個國家播出，
11:43
and the websites are still there
and they will be forever, actually,
and they will be forever, actually,
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網站現在也還在，
它們會一直被保留，
它們會一直被保留，
11:47
because Hurtigruten was selected
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因為海德路登已入選
11:49
to be part of the Norwegian
UNESCO list of documents,
UNESCO list of documents,
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挪威的UNESCO文化保育清單。
11:54
and it's also in
the Guinness Book of Records
the Guinness Book of Records
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這也上了金氏世界紀錄，
11:57
as the longest documentary ever.
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是世界上最長的紀錄片。
12:00
(Applause)
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〔鼓掌〕
12:04
Thank you.
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謝謝大家。
12:07
But it's a long program,
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但節目真的很長，很長。
所以有些人只看了一部分，
例如首相先生，
例如首相先生，
12:11
so some watched part of it,
like the Prime Minister.
like the Prime Minister.
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有些人看得比較多。
12:14
Some watched a little bit more.
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12:16
It says, "I haven't used
my bed for five days."
my bed for five days."
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他說：「我已經五天沒在我的床上睡覺了。」
12:20
And he's 82 years old,
and he hardly slept.
and he hardly slept.
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他82歲了，
竟然不眠不休。
竟然不眠不休。
12:25
He kept watching because
something might happen,
something might happen,
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他目不轉睛，
生怕錯過什麼，
生怕錯過什麼，
12:28
though it probably won't. (Laughter)
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雖然也沒發生什麼啦。〔笑聲〕
12:30
This is the number
of viewers along the route.
of viewers along the route.
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這是整趟航程的收看人數，
12:33
You can see the famous Trollfjord
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你可以看到最著名的精靈峽灣，
12:35
and a day after, all-time high for NRK2.
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以及播出結束後一天內
NRK2的收視率創了新高。
NRK2的收視率創了新高。
12:39
If you see the four biggest
channels in Norway during June 2011,
channels in Norway during June 2011,
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我們來看挪威其他四大頻道
在2011年6月的收視，
在2011年6月的收視，
12:45
they will look like this,
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線圖看起來像這樣，
而身為節目製作人，
能把海德路登的數字加上去感覺很棒，
能把海德路登的數字加上去感覺很棒，
12:47
and as a TV producer, it's a pleasure
to put Hurtigruten on top of it.
to put Hurtigruten on top of it.
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12:51
It looks like this:
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現在它看起來就像這樣。
12:53
3.2 million Norwegians
watched part of this program,
watched part of this program,
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3百20萬名挪威觀眾
都看了一部分的節目，
都看了一部分的節目，
12:56
and we are only five million here.
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我們也就五百萬人口。
12:58
Even the passengers on board
the Hurtigruten coastal ship --
the Hurtigruten coastal ship --
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甚至在船上的乘客也都在看...
13:01
(Laughter) --
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〔笑聲〕
13:03
they chose to watched the telly
instead of turning 90 degrees
instead of turning 90 degrees
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他們寧可看電視畫面，
也不願90度轉身
也不願90度轉身
13:07
and watching out the window.
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直接看看窗外。
13:10
So we were allowed to be
part of people's living room
part of people's living room
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因此我們成為了
人們客廳的一部分，
人們客廳的一部分，
13:13
with this strange TV program,
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這樣古怪的節目，
13:16
with music, nature, people.
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伴隨著音樂、大自然和人。
13:19
And Slow TV was now a buzzword,
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「慢活秀」已成為當紅流行語。
13:22
and we started looking for other things
we could make Slow TV about.
we could make Slow TV about.
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我們開始尋找其他題材，
繼續製作「慢活秀」。
繼續製作「慢活秀」。
13:26
So we could either take something long
and make it a topic,
and make it a topic,
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所以要不就選擇很花時間的事情，
讓它成為話題，
讓它成為話題，
13:29
like with the railway and the Hurtigruten,
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如同鐵道和海德路登之行，
13:31
or we could take a topic and make it long.
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或者我們選個題材，把它拍得很長。
13:34
This is the last project.
It's the peep show.
It's the peep show.
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這是上一個計畫，
是個窺秀，
是個窺秀，
13:36
It's 14 hours of birdwatching
on a TV screen,
on a TV screen,
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這是在電視上播出
長達14小時的賞鳥節目。
長達14小時的賞鳥節目。
13:39
actually 87 days on the web.
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其實，在網路上播了87天。
13:42
We have made 18 hours
of live salmon fishing.
of live salmon fishing.
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我們也做過18小時的
釣鮭魚現場直播，
釣鮭魚現場直播，
13:46
It actually took three hours
before we got the first fish,
before we got the first fish,
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花了三小時，才釣到第一隻魚，
13:49
and that's quite slow.
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真的很久。
13:51
We have made 12 hours of boat ride
into the beautiful Telemark Canal,
into the beautiful Telemark Canal,
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我們做了12小時的節目，
坐小船探訪美麗的泰勒馬克運河。
坐小船探訪美麗的泰勒馬克運河。
13:56
and we have made another train ride
with the northern railway,
with the northern railway,
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我們也再度搭了火車，北方列車，
13:59
and because this we couldn't do live,
we did it in four seasons
we did it in four seasons
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因為這沒辦法即時轉播，
我們就拍了四季，
我們就拍了四季，
14:03
just to give the viewer
another experience on the way.
another experience on the way.
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讓觀眾可以體驗
沿途不同季節的景緻。
沿途不同季節的景緻。
14:09
So our next project got us
some attention outside Norway.
some attention outside Norway.
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我們後來的節目
吸引了挪威以外的地方的注意。
吸引了挪威以外的地方的注意。
14:13
This is from the Colbert Report
on Comedy Central.
on Comedy Central.
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這是喜劇頻道的荷博報告，
14:16
(Video) Stephen Colbert: I've got my eye
on a wildly popular program from Norway
on a wildly popular program from Norway
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〔影片〕主持人荷博：
我聽說在挪威大紅的節目
我聽說在挪威大紅的節目
14:20
called "National Firewood Night,"
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叫做「國家劈柴之夜」。
14:23
which consisted of mostly people in parkas
chatting and chopping in the woods,
chatting and chopping in the woods,
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節目內容就是人們在野地
一邊聊天一邊砍柴，
一邊聊天一邊砍柴，
14:27
and then eight hours of a fire
burning in a fireplace. (Laughter)
burning in a fireplace. (Laughter)
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然後就圍著壁爐
燒了八小時的柴。
燒了八小時的柴。
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It destroyed the other
top Norwegian shows,
top Norwegian shows,
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這節目打敗了其他節目，
例如：
例如：
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like "So You Think
You Can Watch Paint Dry"
You Can Watch Paint Dry"
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「你以為你能眼睜睜看著油漆乾」
14:36
and "The Amazing Glacier Race."
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以及「冰川奇緣」。
14:39
And get this, almost 20 percent
of the Norwegian population tuned in,
of the Norwegian population tuned in,
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聽好了，有將近20%的收視率，
14:45
20 percent.
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20%耶。
14:46
TH: So, when wood fire and wood chopping
can be that interesting,
can be that interesting,
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Thomas Hellum：所以說，
連燒柴和劈柴都這麼有趣，
連燒柴和劈柴都這麼有趣，
14:50
why not knitting?
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何不來打毛線？
14:52
So on our next project,
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故我們下一個計畫，
14:53
we used more than eight hours
to go live from a sheep to a sweater,
to go live from a sheep to a sweater,
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我們花費超過8個小時，
現場直播，從一隻綿羊到一件毛衣，
現場直播，從一隻綿羊到一件毛衣，
14:58
and Jimmy Kimmel in the ABC show,
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吉米．金莫在他ABC的節目上
也提到，
也提到，
15:01
he liked that.
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他很喜歡。
15:03
(Music)
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〔音樂〕
15:10
(Video) Jimmy Kimmel: Even the people
on the show are falling asleep,
on the show are falling asleep,
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〔影片〕吉米．金莫：
連節目中的人自己都睡著了啊。
連節目中的人自己都睡著了啊。
15:14
and after all that,
the knitters actually failed
the knitters actually failed
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可惜打毛線的人沒能成功
15:16
to break the world record.
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打破世界紀錄。
15:17
They did not succeed,
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他們失敗了，
15:19
but remember the old Norwegian saying,
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但記得這句挪威的諺語：
15:21
it's not whether you win
or lose that counts.
or lose that counts.
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輸贏成敗轉頭空。
15:23
In fact, nothing counts,
and death is coming for us all.
and death is coming for us all.
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說實話，四大皆空，
人終歸一死啊。
人終歸一死啊。
15:26
(Laughter)
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〔笑聲〕
15:27
TH: Exactly. So why does this stand out?
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Thomas Hellum：沒錯。所以為何我們成功？
15:30
This is so completely different
to other TV programming.
to other TV programming.
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我們的節目和其他節目大相逕庭。
15:34
We take the viewer on a journey
that happens right now in real time,
that happens right now in real time,
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我們帶領觀眾一起經歷真實
正在發生的事，
正在發生的事，
15:38
and the viewer gets the feeling
of actually being there,
of actually being there,
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觀眾身歷其境，
15:42
actually being on the train, on the boat,
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搭上了火車、在船上、
15:44
and knitting together with others,
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一群人一起打毛線，
15:46
and the reason I think
why they're doing that
why they're doing that
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我覺得他們這麼做的原因，
15:48
is because we don't edit the timeline.
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是因為我們保留原汁原味，
15:51
It's important that
we don't edit the timeline,
we don't edit the timeline,
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即時同步非常重要，
15:53
and it's also important
that what we make Slow TV about
that what we make Slow TV about
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這就是我們製作「慢活秀」的重點。
15:56
is something that we all can relate to,
that the viewer can relate to,
that the viewer can relate to,
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那是種我們都能參與，
觀眾都能共鳴，
觀眾都能共鳴，
16:01
and that somehow has
a root in our culture.
a root in our culture.
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而這或許是人類文化的根源。
16:04
This is a picture from last summer
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這是去年夏天的照片，
16:06
when we traveled the coast
again for seven weeks.
again for seven weeks.
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我們再次做了7個禮拜的海岸航行，
16:09
And of course this is a lot of planning,
this is a lot of logistics.
this is a lot of logistics.
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當然，這要計畫很多事情，
很多後勤支援的準備，
很多後勤支援的準備，
16:13
So this is the working plan
for 150 people last summer,
for 150 people last summer,
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瞧瞧，這是去年夏天
150個人員的工作計畫。
150個人員的工作計畫。
16:17
but more important is what you don't plan.
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不過更重要的，是計畫以外的事。
16:20
You don't plan what's going to happen.
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你無法預測會發生什麼事，
16:22
You have to just
take your cameras with you.
take your cameras with you.
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你只能提著攝影機，
16:25
It's like a sports event.
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有點像運動賽事，
16:27
You rig them and you see what's happening.
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你操縱攝影機捕捉當下，
16:29
So this is actually
the whole running order
the whole running order
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所以，這是整個節目的進行梗概，
16:32
for Hurtigruten, 134 hours,
just written on one page.
just written on one page.
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海德路登，134小時，
只寫了一頁，
只寫了一頁，
16:36
We didn't know anything more
when we left Bergen.
when we left Bergen.
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我們離開卑爾根的時候
根本不知道後面會發生什麼，
根本不知道後面會發生什麼，
16:40
So you have to let the viewers
make the stories themselves,
make the stories themselves,
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你只能順其自然，
讓觀眾們自己說故事，
讓觀眾們自己說故事，
16:43
and I'll give you an example of that.
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我舉個例子來說，
16:46
This is from last summer,
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這是去年夏天，
16:47
and as a TV producer,
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身為一個電視製作人，
16:49
it's a nice picture, but now
you can cut to the next one.
you can cut to the next one.
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畫面很棒，
但我們現在該切入下個畫面了。
但我們現在該切入下個畫面了。
16:53
But this is Slow TV,
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但在「慢活秀」，
16:55
so you have to keep this picture until
it really starts hurting your stomach,
it really starts hurting your stomach,
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你必須盯著這畫面，
直到你胃都痛了，
直到你胃都痛了，
16:58
and then you keep it a little bit longer,
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再撐久一點，
17:01
and when you keep it that long,
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當你撐很久以後，
17:02
I'm sure some of you now
have noticed the cow.
have noticed the cow.
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我相信你們有看到那頭牛，
17:05
Some of you have seen the flag.
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有人會看到那面旗子，
17:07
Some of you start wondering,
is the farmer at home?
is the farmer at home?
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有人開始幻想，
農場主人在不在家呢？
農場主人在不在家呢？
17:09
Has he left? Is he watching the cow?
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他走了嗎？你在看牛嗎？
17:12
And where is that cow going?
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那頭牛想去哪？
17:15
So my point is, the longer
you keep a picture like this,
you keep a picture like this,
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我意思是說，你看得越久，
17:18
and we kept it for 10 minutes,
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看個十分鐘，
17:21
you start making
the stories in your own head.
the stories in your own head.
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你開始在腦海裡演出小劇場，
17:25
That's Slow TV.
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這就是「慢活秀」。
17:29
So we think that Slow TV is
one nice way of telling a TV story,
one nice way of telling a TV story,
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所以我們認為，慢活秀是種
很好的說故事的方式，
很好的說故事的方式，
17:34
and we think that we
can continue doing it,
can continue doing it,
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我們覺得我們可以一直做下去，
17:37
not too often, once or twice a year,
so we keep the feeling of an event,
so we keep the feeling of an event,
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不要太頻繁，一年一次或兩次，
讓我們可以參與一個活動，
讓我們可以參與一個活動，
17:41
and we also think that
the good Slow TV idea,
the good Slow TV idea,
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而我們也認為好的慢活秀點子，
17:44
that's the idea when people say,
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是當人們說：
17:46
"Oh no, you can't put that on TV."
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「喔不，這沒法在電視上播吧...」
17:49
When people smile, it might be
a very good slow idea,
a very good slow idea,
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當人們會心一笑，這可能就是個
很棒的主意，
很棒的主意，
17:52
so after all, life is best
when it's a bit strange.
when it's a bit strange.
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因為畢竟，美好的生活都有點奇特。
17:56
Thank you.
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謝謝。
17:58
(Applause)
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〔鼓掌〕
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Thomas Hellum - Slow television advocateThomas Hellum is an award-winning television producer who works at NRK Hordaland in Norway.
Why you should listen
Thomas Hellum has worked at NRK Hordaland since 1992. The former lighting designer moved into photography and then began work as a producer, specializing in documentaries. In 2009, he became one of the driving forces behind the "Slow TV" movement, filming and broadcasting apparently boring events as they happen and turning them into genuinely thrilling television drama.
In 2008, Hellum won the Grand Prix Golden Prague at the International Television Festival in Prague for the documentary Ballad for Edvard Grieg, which tracked the composer's travels through Europe. He also won the Rose d'Or Award for The Sound of Ole Bull at the Rose d'Or Festival in Lucerne in 2012. His personal motto: "Life is best when it's a bit strange."
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