TEDGlobal 2011
Nadia Al-Sakkaf: See Yemen through my eyes
Nadia Al-Sakaf: Upoznajte Jemen kroz moje oči
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Kako se politički nemiri u Jemenu nastavljaju, urednica "Jemen Tajmsa", Nadia Al-Sakkaf, govori na TEDGlobal, a domaćin je Pet Mičel. Al-Sakkafine nezavisne novine na engleskom su važne za prenos vesti, kao i za razmenu nove vizije Jemena i njegovih žena kao jendakih partnera u radu i promeni.
Nadia Al-Sakkaf - Journalist
Nadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen. Full bio
Nadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen. Full bio
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Pat Mitchell: You have brought us images from the Yemen Times.
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Pet Mičel: Donela si nam slike iz "Jemen Tajmsa".
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And take us through those,
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Provedi nas kroz njih,
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and introduce us to another Yemen.
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i upoznaj nas sa drugačijim Jemenom.
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Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Well, I'm glad to be here.
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Nadia Al-Sakaf: Pa, drago mi je što sam ovde.
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And I would like to share with you all
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I želela bih da podelim sa svima vama
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some of the pictures that are happening today in Yemen.
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neke od slika koje možete videti danas u Jemenu.
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This picture shows a revolution
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Ova slika prikazuje jednu revoluciju
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started by women,
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koju su pokrenule žene.
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and it shows women and men
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I pokazuje žene i muškarce
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leading a mixed protest.
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kako vode zajednički protest.
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The other picture
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Druga slika
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is the popularity of the real need for change.
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je popularnost istinske potrebe za promenama.
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So many people are there.
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Tu ima toliko je puno ljudi.
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The intensity of the upspring.
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Intenzitet ustanka.
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This picture shows that the revolution
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Ova slika prikazuje da je revolucija
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has allowed opportunities for training,
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pružila mogućnosti za usavršavanje,
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for education.
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za obrazovanje.
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These women are learning about first aid
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Ove žene uče o prvoj pomoći
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and their rights according to the constitution.
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i o svojim pravima u skladu sa ustavom.
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I love this picture.
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Volim ovu sliku.
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I just wanted to show
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Samo sam želela da pokažem
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that over 60 percent of the Yemeni population
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da je preko 60 odsto jemenskog stanovništva
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are 15 years and below.
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mlađe od 15 godina starosti.
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And they were excluded from decision-making,
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I nisu bili uključeni u proces donošenja odluka,
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and now they are in the forefront of the news,
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a sada su u prvom planu na vestima,
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raising the flag.
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podižu zastavu.
01:19
English --
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Engleski -
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you will see, this is jeans
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videćete, ovo su farmerke
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and tights,
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i helanke
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and an English expression --
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i engleski izraz -
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the ability to share with the world
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mogućnost da se sa svetom podeli
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what is going on in our own country.
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ono što se dešava u našoj zemlji.
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And expression also,
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I izraz je takođe
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it has brought talents.
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doneo talente.
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Yemenis are using cartoons
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Jemeni koriste crtaće
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and art,
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i umetnost,
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paintings, comics,
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slike, stripove,
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to tell the world and each other
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da kažu svetu i jedni drugima
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about what's going on.
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o onome što se dešava.
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Obviously, there's always the dark side of it.
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Naravno, uvek postoji i tamna strana.
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And this is just one of the less-gruesome pictures
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I ovo je samo jedna od manje odvratnih slika
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of the revolution
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revolucije
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and the cost that we have to pay.
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i cene koju moramo da platimo.
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The solidarity
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Solidarnost
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of millions of Yemenis across the country
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miliona Jemena širom zemlje
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just demanding the one thing.
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koji zahtevaju samo jednu stvar.
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And finally, lots of people are saying
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I na kraju, puno ljudi kaže
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that Yemen's revolution
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da će jemenska revolucija
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is going to break the country.
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slomiti zemlju.
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Is it going to be so many different countries?
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Da li će biti kao u mnogim drugim zemljama?
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Is it going to be another Somalia?
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Da li će biti druga Somalija?
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But we want to tell the world that, no,
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Ali želimo da kažemo svetu da, ne,
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under the one flag, we'll still remain as Yemeni people.
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pod jednom zastavom, i dalje smo jemenski narod.
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PM: Thank you for those images, Nadia.
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PM: Hvala ti na tim slikama, Nadia.
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And they do, in many ways,
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I one, na puno načina,
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tell a different story
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pričaju drugačiju priču
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than the story of Yemen,
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od priče o Jemenu,
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the one that is often in the news.
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koja je često u vestima.
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And yet, you yourself
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A opet, i ti sama
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defy all those characterizations.
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pobijaš sve te stereotipe.
02:37
So let's talk about the personal story for a moment.
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Pa, popričajmo o ličnoj priči za trenutak.
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Your father is murdered.
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Tvoj otac je ubijen.
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The Yemen Times already has
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"Jemen Tajms" već ima
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a strong reputation in Yemen
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jaku reputaciju u Jemenu
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as an independent English language newspaper.
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kao nezavistan list na engleskom jeziku.
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How did you then
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Kako si onda
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make the decision and assume the responsibilities
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odlučila i preuzela odgovornost
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of running a newspaper,
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da vodiš jedne novine,
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especially in such times of conflict?
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naročito u vreme konflikta?
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NA: Well, let me first warn you
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NA: Pa, prvo da vas upozorim
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that I'm not the traditional Yemeni girl.
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da nisam tradicionalna devojka iz Jemena.
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I've guessed you've already noticed this by now.
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Pretpostavljam da ste već primetili.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:11
In Yemen, most women are veiled
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U Jemenu, većina žena je pod velom
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and they are sitting behind doors
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sede iza vrata
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and not very much part of the public life.
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i nisu veliki deo društvenog života.
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But there's so much potential.
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Ali ima toliko potenicijala.
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I wish I could show you my Yemen.
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Da mogu da vam samo pokažem moj Jemen.
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I wish you could see
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Volela bih da možete da vidite
03:25
Yemen through my eyes.
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Jemen kroz moje oči.
03:27
Then you would know
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Onda biste znali
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that there's so much to it.
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da je tamo toliko puno toga.
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And I was privileged because I was born into a family,
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Ja sam privilegovana jer sam rođena u porodici,
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my father would always encourage the boys and the girls.
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otac je uvek ohrabrivao dečake i devojčice.
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He would say we are equal.
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Govorio je da smo jednaki.
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And he was such an extraordinary man.
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I bio je izvanredan čovek.
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And even my mother -- I owe it to my family.
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Čak i moja majka - dugujem svojoj porodici -
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A story:
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priču.
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I studied in India.
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Studirala sam u Indiji.
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And in my third year, I started becoming confused
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Na trećoj godini, postala sam zbunjena
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because I was Yemeni,
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jer sam bila Jemenka,
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but I was also mixing up
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ali sam takođe imala
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with a lot of my friends in college.
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puno prijatelja na fakultetu.
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And I went back home and I said,
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Vratila sam se kući i rekla,
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"Daddy, I don't know who I am.
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"Tata, ne znam ko sam.
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I'm not a Yemeni; I'm not an Indian."
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Nisam Jemenka, nisam Indijka."
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And he said, "You are the bridge."
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A on je rekao "Ti si most."
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And that is something I will keep in my heart forever.
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I to ću zauvek čuvati u srcu.
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So since then I've been the bridge,
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I od tada, ja sam most,
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and a lot of people have walked over me.
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i puno je ljudi prešlo preko.
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PM: I don't think so. (Laughter)
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PM: Ne bih rekla.
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NA: But it just helps tell
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NA: Ali pomaže da se kaže
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that some people are change agents
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da neki ljudi utiču na promene
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in the society.
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u društvu.
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And when I became editor-in-chief
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I kada sam postala glavni urednik
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after my brother actually --
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posle mog brata, zapravo -
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my father passed away in 1999,
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moj otac je preminuo 1999.
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and then my brother until 2005 --
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a onda i moj brat 2005 -
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and everybody was betting that I will not be able to do it.
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i svi su se kladili da neću uspeti.
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"What's this young girl coming in and showing off
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"Šta ova devojka dolazi i pravi se važna
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because it's her family business," or something.
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zato što je to njen porodični biznis" ili tako nešto.
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It was very hard at first.
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Bilo je jako teško na početku.
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I didn't want to clash with people.
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Nisam htela sukobe sa ljudima.
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But with all due respect
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Ali uz svo poštovanje
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to all the men, and the older men especially,
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prema svim muškarcima, naročito starijim,
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they did not want me around.
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nisu me hteli tu.
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It was very hard, you know,
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Bilo je vrlo teško, znate,
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to impose my authority.
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da se nametne autoritet.
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But a woman's got to do what a woman's got to do.
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Ali žena mora da uradi šta mora da uradi.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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And in the first year,
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I prve godine,
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I had to fire half of the men.
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morala sam da otpustim polovinu muškaraca.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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Brought in more women.
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Dovedem više žena.
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Brought in younger men.
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Dovedem mlađe muškarce.
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And we have a more gender-balanced newsroom today.
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I sada imamo polno-uravnoteženu redakciju.
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The other thing is that it's about professionalism.
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Još jedna stvar je da je to pitanje profesionalizma.
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It's about proving who you are and what you can do.
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Dokazati ko si i šta možeš da uradiš.
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And I don't know if I'm going to be boasting now,
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I ne znam da li ću se hvaliti sada,
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but in 2006 alone,
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ali samo u 2006. godini
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we won three international awards.
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osvojili smo tri međunarodne nagrade.
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One of them is the IPI
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Jedna od njih je "IPI"
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Free Media Pioneer Award.
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Nagrada za Pionira slobodnih medija.
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So that was the answer
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Tako da je to bio odgovor
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to all the Yemeni people.
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svim Jemenima.
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And I want to score a point here,
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I želim da osvojim poen ovim,
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because my husband is in the room over there.
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jer je moj muž u dvorani tamo.
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If you could please stand up, [unclear].
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Možeš li, molim te, da ustaneš, (nejasno).
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He has been very supportive of me.
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On je moja velika podrška.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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PM: And we should point out
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PM: Treba da napomenemo
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that he works with you as well at the paper.
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da radi sa tobom u novinama.
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But in assuming this responsibility
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Ali kada treba preuzeti odgovornost
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and going about it as you have,
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i upotrebiti je kao ti,
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you have become a bridge
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postala si most
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between an older and traditional society
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između starijeg i tradicionalnog društva
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and the one that you are now creating at the paper.
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i onog koje upravo stvaraš u novinama.
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And so along with changing who worked there,
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Uz promene radnika,
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you must have come up against another positioning
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mora da si naišla na još jednu sliku
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that we always run into, in particular with women,
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na koju uvek naiđemo, naročito ako su u pitanju žene,
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and it has to do with outside image,
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a ima veze sa spoljašnjom slikom,
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dress, the veiled woman.
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odećom, žene pod velom.
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So how have you dealt with this
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Kako si se borila sa tim
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on a personal level
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na ličnom nivou
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as well as the women who worked for you?
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a kako žene koje su radile za tebe?
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NA: As you know,
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NA: Kao što znate,
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the image of a lot of Yemeni women is a lot of black
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slika o jemenskim ženama je, puno crnog
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and covered, veiled women.
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i velom pokrivene žene.
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And this is true.
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I to je istina.
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And a lot of it is
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I ima puno toga
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because women are not able, are not free,
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jer žene ne mogu, nisu slobodne,
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to show their face to their self.
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da pokažu svoje lice sebi.
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It's a lot of traditional imposing
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Puno je tradicionalnog nametanja
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coming by authority figures
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od strane figura autoriteta
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such as the men, the grandparents and so on.
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kao što su muškarci, dede i babe i tako dalje.
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And it's economic empowerment
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A to je i ekonomsko osnaživanje
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and the ability for a woman to say,
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i mogućnost za ženu da kaže,
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"I am as much contributing to this family, or more,
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"Ja doprinosim ovoj prodici isto, ili više,
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than you are."
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nego ti".
07:16
And the more empowered the women become,
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I što žene postaju snažnije,
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the more they are able to remove the veil, for example,
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to će više biti u mogućnosti da sklone veo, na primer,
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or to drive their own car
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ili da voze sopstveni auto
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or to have a job or to be able to travel.
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ili da imaju posao ili da mogu da putuju.
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So the other face of Yemen
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Tako da je drugo lice Jemena
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is actually one
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zapravo ono
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that lies behind the veil,
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koje se nalazi iza vela.
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and it's economic empowerment mostly
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I zapravo je ekonomska samostalnost
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that allows the woman to just uncover it.
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ono što ženama omogućava da ga sklone.
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And I have done this throughout my work.
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I ja ovo radim kroz ceo svoj rad.
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I've tried to encourage young girls.
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Pokušavam da ohrabrim mlade devojke.
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We started with, you can take it off in the office.
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Počeli smo sa time da mogu da ga skinu u kancelariji.
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And then after that, you can take it off on assignments.
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A posle toga, mogu da ga skinu na zadacima.
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Because I didn't believe a journalist can be a journalist with --
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Jer nisam verovala da novinar može biti novinar sa -
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how can you talk to people if you have your face covered? --
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kako ćeš pričati sa ljudima ako ti je lice pokriveno?-
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and so on; it's just a movement.
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i tako dalje; to je samo pokret.
07:59
And I am a role model in Yemen.
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I ja sam uzor u Jemenu.
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A lot of people look up to me.
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Puno ljudi se ugleda na mene.
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A lot of young girls look up to me.
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I puno mladih devojaka se ugleda na mene.
08:05
And I need to prove to them that, yes, you can still be married,
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I moram da im dokažem da, tako je, možeš da budeš udata,
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you can still be a mother,
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možeš da budeš majka,
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and you can still be respected within the society,
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i možeš da budeš poštovana u društvu,
08:11
but at the same time,
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ali u isto vreme,
08:13
that doesn't mean you [should] just be one of the crowd.
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to ne znači da (treba da budeš) samo jedna u gomili.
08:16
You can be yourself and have your face.
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Možeš da budeš ti i imaš svoje lice.
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PM: But by putting yourself personally out there --
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PM: Ali to što se lično pokazuješ -
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both projecting a different image
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i daješ dugačiju sliku
08:25
of Yemeni women,
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jemenskih žena,
08:27
but also what you have made possible
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ali i onog što si učinila mogućim
08:29
for the women who work at the paper --
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za žene koje rade za novnine -
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has this put you in personal danger?
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da li te je to lično dovelo u opasnost?
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NA: Well the Yemen Times, across 20 years,
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NA: Pa, "Jemen Tajms" je tokom 20 godina,
08:39
has been through so much.
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prošao kroz mnogo toga.
08:41
We've suffered prosecution;
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Bili smo proganjani;
08:43
the paper was closed down more than three times.
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novine su zatvarali više od tri puta.
08:45
It's an independent newspaper,
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To su nezavisne novine,
08:48
but tell that to the people in charge.
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ali recite to glavnima.
08:50
They think that if there's anything against them,
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Misle da ako ima bilo čega protiv njih,
08:53
then we are being an opposition newspaper.
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onda smo novine opozicije.
08:57
And very, very difficult times.
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I vrlo, vrlo teško vreme.
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Some of my reporters were arrested.
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Neki moji reporteri su bili uhapšeni.
09:02
We had some court cases.
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Bili smo na nekim suđenjima.
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My father was assassinated.
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Moj otac je ubijen.
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Today, we are in a much better situation.
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Danas je situacija mnogo bolja.
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We've created the credibility.
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Stvorili smo kredibilitet.
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And in times of revolution or change like today,
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I u vreme revolucija ili promena kao danas,
09:14
it is very important for independent media to have a voice.
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vrlo je važno da nezavisni mediji imaju svoj glas.
09:18
It's very important
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Vrlo je važno
09:20
for you to go to YemenTimes.com,
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da odete na YemenTimes.com,
09:22
and it's very important
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i vrlo je važno
09:24
to listen to our voice.
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da slušate naš glas.
09:27
And this is probably something
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I to je verovatno nešto
09:29
I'm going to share with you
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što ću podeliti sa vama
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in Western media probably --
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u zapadnim medijima, verovatno -
09:33
and how there's a lot of stereotypes --
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kako ima puno stereotipa -
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thinking of Yemen in one single frame:
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kad se razmišlja o Jemenu kao jednom okviru:
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this is what Yemen is all about.
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ovo je Jemen.
09:43
And that's not fair.
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I to nije fer.
09:45
It's not fair for me; it's not fair for my country.
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Nije fer za mene, ni za moju zemlju.
09:47
A lot of reporters come to Yemen
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Puno reportera dolazi u Jemen
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and they want to write a story on Al-Qaeda or terrorism.
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i želi da napiše priču o Al-Kaidi ili terorizmu.
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And I just wanted to share with you:
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I htela bih da podelim sa vama:
09:56
there's one reporter that came.
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bio je jedan reporter koji je došao.
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He wanted to do a documentary
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Hteo je da uradi dokumentarac
10:00
on what his editors wanted.
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o nečemu što su njegovi urednici hteli.
10:04
And he ended up writing about a story that even surprised me --
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A na kraju je pisao o priči koja je čak i mene iznenadila -
10:07
hip hop --
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hip hop -
10:09
that there are young Yemeni men
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da ima mladih Jemena
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who express themselves
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koji se izražavaju
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through dancing and puchu puchu.
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kroz ples i "puchu puchu".
10:17
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:19
That thing. (PM: Rap. Break dancing.)
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Ono. (PM: Rep, brejkdens.)
10:22
Yeah, break dancing.
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Da, brejkdens.
10:24
I'm not so old.
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Nisam baš toliko stara.
10:27
I'm just not in touch.
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Samo nisam u toku.
10:29
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:31
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
10:34
PM: Yes, you are.
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PM: Jesi, jesi.
10:36
Actually, that's a documentary
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Zapravo, taj dokumentarac
10:38
that's available online; the video's online.
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je dostupan putem interneta, postoji video.
10:41
NA: ShaketheDust.org.
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NA: ShaketheDust.org
10:43
PM: "Shake the Dust." (NA: "Shake the Dust.")
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PM: "Razmrdaj prašinu." (NA: "Razmrdaj prašinu.")
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PM: ShaketheDust.org.
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PM: ShaketheDust.org.
10:48
And it definitely does give a different image of Yemen.
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I sasvim sigurno pruža drugačiju sliku Jemena.
10:51
You spoke about the responsibility of the press.
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Govorila si o odgovornosti štampe.
10:54
And certainly, when we look
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I sigurno, kad pogledamo
10:57
at the ways in which we have separated ourselves from others
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načine na koje smo se odvojili od drugih
11:00
and we've created fear
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i stvorili strah
11:02
and danger,
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i opasnost,
11:04
often from lack of knowledge,
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često zbog nedovoljno znanja,
11:06
lack of real understanding,
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nedostatka pravog razumevanja,
11:08
how do you see
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kako ti se čini
11:10
the way that the Western press in particular
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način na koji, zapadna štampa naročito,
11:13
is covering this and all other stories out of the region,
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pokriva ovo i sve ostale priče iz regiona,
11:16
but in particular, in your country?
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ali posebno, iz tvoje zemlje?
11:18
NA: Well there is a saying that says,
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NA: Pa, postoiji jedna izreka koja kaže,
11:21
"You fear what you don't know,
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"Plašiš se nepoznatog
11:23
and you hate what you fear."
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i mrziš ono čega se plašiš."
11:26
So it's about the lack of research, basically.
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Radi se zapravo o nedostatku istraživanja.
11:29
It's almost, "Do your homework," --
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Skoro kao "Uradi domaći," -
11:32
some involvement.
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malo uključivanja.
11:34
And you cannot do parachute reporting --
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I ne možete da radite padobransko izveštavanje -
11:37
just jump into a country for two days
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samo uskočite u zemlju na dva dana
11:40
and think that you've done your homework and a story.
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i mislite da ste uradili domaći i priču.
11:43
So I wish
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Tako da želim
11:45
that the world would know my Yemen,
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da svet upozna moj Jemen,
11:47
my country, my people.
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moju zemlju, moje ljude.
11:50
I am an example, and there are others like me.
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Ja sam jedan primer, i ima drugih koji su kao ja.
11:53
We may not be that many,
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Možda nas nema tako puno,
11:55
but if we are promoted
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ali ako se promovišemo
11:57
as a good, positive example,
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kao dobar, pozivitan primer,
12:00
there will be others -- men and women --
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biće i drugih - muškaraca i žena -
12:03
who can eventually bridge the gap --
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koji će najzad premostiti jaz -
12:06
again, coming to the bridge --
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opet, dolazimo do mosta -
12:08
between Yemen and the world
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između Jemena i sveta
12:10
and telling first
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i govoriće prvo
12:12
about recognition
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o prepoznavanju
12:14
and then about communication
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i onda o komunikaciji
12:16
and compassion.
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i saosećanju.
12:19
I think Yemen is going to be
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Mislim da će Jemen biti
12:21
in a very bad situation
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u lošem položaju
12:24
in the next two or three years.
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u naredne dve-tri godine.
12:26
It's natural.
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To je prirodno.
12:28
But after the two years, which is a price we are willing to pay,
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Ali posle te dve godine, a to je cena koju smo spremni da platimo,
12:31
we are going to stand up again on our feet,
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staćemo ponovo na noge,
12:34
but in the new Yemen
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ali u novom Jemenu
12:36
with a younger and more empowered people --
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sa mlađim i snažnijim ljudima -
12:39
democratic.
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demokratskim.
12:41
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
12:49
PM: Nadia, I think you've just given us
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PM: Nadia, mislim da si nam upravo dala
12:51
a very different view of Yemen.
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vrlo drugačiju sliku Jemena.
12:54
And certainly you yourself and what you do
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I sasvim sigurno, ti sama i ono što radiš
12:57
have given us a view of the future
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su nam dali pogled u budućnost
13:00
that we will embrace
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koju ćemo prijvatiti
13:03
and be grateful for.
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i biti im zahvalni.
13:05
And the very best of luck to you.
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Sve najbolje.
13:07
YemenTimes.com.
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YemenTimes.com
13:10
NA: On Twitter also.
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NA: I na Twitter-u takođe.
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PM: So you are plugged in.
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PM: Znači, priključena si.
13:15
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Nadia Al-Sakkaf - JournalistNadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen.
Why you should listen
Nadia Al-Sakkaf became the chief editor of the Yemen Times, the country's first and most widely read independent English-language newspaper, in March 2005, and quickly became a leading voice in Yemen and worldwide media on issues of media, gender, development and politics. During the May 2011 leadership crisis in Yemen, Al-Sakkaf and her organization were vital in reporting the news and putting the political situation in context for the wider world. And as the crisis rolls on, the role of an independent press becomes even more vital. The Yemen Times has reporters on the ground in Sana'a, Taiz, Aden and Hodeida covering the uprising.
Under Al-Sakkaf's leadership, the Yemen Times has also created several publications -- especially those for the advocacy of women’s participation in politics, such as Breaking the Stereotype, a book on Yemeni women's experience as political candidates in elections.
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