ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Tom Honey - Priest
The Vicar of St David's Church, Exeter, in the UK, is unafraid to take on some of religion's tougher issues.

Why you should listen

Tom Honey's appeal goes far beyond his own congregation. For years he was the vicar of the church in Oxford attended decades earlier by the Christian thinker C.S. Lewis. As Reverend, Honey built a reputation there for thoughtful sermons that disdained cliche or easy answers. They were often willing to grapple with the darker side of life -- pain, loss, grief -- and the challenges these presented to the concept of a loving God.

These challenges were dramatically highlighted by the devastation of the Indian Ocean tsunami of late 2004 in which some 300,000 people died, making it one of the worst natural disasters in human history. The sermon penned by Honey shortly after was eloquent and powerful enough to win him an invitation to come speak at TED.

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TED2005

Tom Honey: Why would God create a tsunami?

汤姆·翰尼谈上帝与海啸

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在2004年南亚海啸的悲剧发生后的几天里,汤姆·翰尼牧师一直思考这样一个问题:“慈爱的上帝怎么会做出这种事呢?” 他在这个视频中回答的就是这个问题。
- Priest
The Vicar of St David's Church, Exeter, in the UK, is unafraid to take on some of religion's tougher issues. Full bio

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I am a vicar牧师 in the Church教会 of England英国.
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我是一名英国圣公会的牧师。
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I've been a priest牧师 in the Church教会 for 20 years年份.
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我做牧师已经有20年了。
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For most of that time, I've been struggling奋斗的 and grappling擒拿
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在这20年的大部分时间里,我一直在努力解决和回答
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with questions问题 about the nature性质 of God. Who is God?
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关于上帝本质的问题:上帝是谁?
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And I'm very aware知道的 that when you say the word "God,"
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我很清楚,当你一说起“上帝”这个词,
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many许多 people will turn off immediately立即.
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很多人会立即走开。
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And most people, both within and outside the organized有组织的 church教会,
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并且大多数人,无论是信教还是不信教的,
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still have a picture图片 of a celestial天上 controller调节器,
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心中还是认为上帝是这样一个形像:一个天上的主宰者,
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a rule规则 maker制作者, a policeman警察 in the sky天空 who orders命令 everything,
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规则制定者,掌管一切的太空警察,
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and causes原因 everything to happen发生.
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万事万物发生的根源。
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He will protect保护 his own拥有 people,
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他会保护他创造的人类,
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and answer回答 the prayers祈祷 of the faithful可信.
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并回应信徒们的祷告。
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And in the worship崇拜 of my church教会,
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在教堂里做礼拜,
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the most frequently经常 used adjective形容词 about God is "almighty大能."
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对上帝最常用的形容词是“全能”。
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But I have a problem问题 with that.
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但我觉得这个观念是不对的。
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I have become成为 more and more uncomfortable不舒服
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多年以来,我已经越来越
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with this perception知觉 of God over the years年份.
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对这个观念感到不舒服。
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Do we really believe that God is the kind of male boss老板 that we've我们已经 been presenting呈现
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难道我们真的相信上帝是一个这么多年来我们在礼拜仪式和祷告中
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in our worship崇拜 and in our liturgies礼仪 over all these years年份?
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描述的那么一位男性的老板形像?
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Of course课程, there have been thinkers思想家
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当然,曾经也有一些思想家
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who have suggested建议 different不同 ways方法 of looking at God.
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建议用不同的方式来看待上帝。
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Exploring探索 the feminine女人, nurturing培育 side of divinity.
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比如:探索神的女性和育养的一面,
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Suggesting提示 that God expresses表达 Himself他自己 or Herself她自己 through通过 powerlessness无力感,
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主张上帝是通过阴柔无力,而不是阳刚和力量,
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rather than power功率.
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来呈现自己,不管是作为男性或者女性形像;
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Acknowledging确认 that God is unknown未知 and unknowable不可知 by definition定义.
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接受上帝本来就是未知的,也不可知的,这个定义,
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Finding查找 deep resonances共振 with other religions宗教 and philosophies哲学
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寻找与其他宗教和哲学之间共同的内涵,
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and ways方法 of looking at life as part部分 of what is a universal普遍 and global全球 search搜索 for meaning含义.
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以及作为全世界人类探索人生意义过程中看待生命的不同方式。
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These ideas思路 are well known已知 in liberal自由主义的 academic学术的 circles,
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这些想法在自由学术界是众所周知的,
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but clergy牧师 like myself have been reluctant不情愿 to air空气 them,
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但像我自己这样的神职人员却不愿意公开宣扬它们,
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for fear恐惧 of creating创建 tension张力 and division in our church教会 communities社区,
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因为害怕在教会中会产生紧张气氛甚至分裂,
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for fear恐惧 of upsetting the simple简单 faith信仰 of more traditional传统 believers信徒.
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害怕打破传统信徒的纯朴信仰。
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I have chosen选择 not to rock the boat.
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我选择了不去惹麻烦。
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Then, on December十二月 26th last year, just two months个月 ago,
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然而,去年12月26日,仅仅两个月前,
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that underwater水下 earthquake地震 triggered触发 the tsunami海啸.
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海底地震引发了海啸。
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And two weeks later后来, Sunday星期日 morning早上, 9th of January一月,
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于是两个星期后,星期日上午, 1月9日,
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I found发现 myself standing常设 in front面前 of my congregation集合 --
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我站在我的会众面前,
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intelligent智能, well meaning含义, mostly大多 thoughtful周到 Christian基督教 people --
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他们是一群智慧的、善良的、有思想的基督徒,
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and I needed需要 to express表现, on their behalf代表, our feelings情怀 and our questions问题.
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我需要代表他们表达我们的感情和我们的疑问。
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I had my own拥有 personal个人 responses回复, but I also have a public上市 role角色,
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虽然我有自己的个人感受,但我还有一个公共角色,
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and something needed需要 to be said.
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这时需要说点儿什么。
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And this is what I said.
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下面是我当时所说的话。
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Shortly不久 after the tsunami海啸 I read a newspaper报纸 article文章
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海啸发生后不久,我读了坎特伯雷大主教
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written书面 by the Archbishop大主教 of Canterbury坎特伯雷 -- fine title标题 --
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发表在报纸上的一篇文章,标题是:
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about the tragedy悲剧 in Southern南部的 Asia亚洲.
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关于发生在南亚的悲剧。
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The essence本质 of what he said was this:
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他所讲的精髓是这样的:
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the people most affected受影响 by the devastation毁坏 and loss失利 of life
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因这场灾难和生命的逝去而饱受磨难的人们
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do not want intellectual知识分子 theories理论 about how God let this happen发生.
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并不需要一个理论来解释上帝为何让这种事情发生。
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He wrote, "If some religious宗教 genius天才 did come up with an explanation说明
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他写道:“如果真有宗教天才能够解释通
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of exactly究竟 why all these deaths死亡 made制作 sense,
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为什么这些死亡是合理的,
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would we feel happier幸福, or safer更安全, or more confident信心 in God?"
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难道我们会感到更幸福、更安全或对上帝更有信心吗?”
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If the man in the photograph照片 that appeared出现 in the newspapers报纸,
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如果报纸上刊登的照片里面的人
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holding保持 the hand of his dead child儿童 was standing常设 in front面前 of us now,
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握着他死去孩子的手,现在站在我们面前的话,
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there are no words that we could say to him.
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我们将无言以对,
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A verbal口头 response响应 would not be appropriate适当.
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说任何话都不恰当。
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The only appropriate适当 response响应 would be a compassionate富于同情心的 silence安静
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唯一恰当的是满怀同情地沉默
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and some kind of practical实际的 help.
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和实际的援助。
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It isn't a time for explanation说明, or preaching说教, or theology神学;
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这种时候不是解释、布道或讲神学的时候,
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it's a time for tears眼泪.
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这种时候是流泪的时候。
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This is true真正. And yet然而 here we are, my church教会 in Oxford牛津,
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的确是的。正因如此,我们今天来到这里,这个在牛津的教会,虽然
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semi-detached半独立 from events事件 that happened发生 a long way away,
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离海啸发生地有万里之遥,
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but with our faith信仰 bruised伤痕累累.
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但是我们对上帝的信心受到打击。
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And we want an explanation说明 from God.
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我们希望上帝给一个解释,
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We demand需求 an explanation说明 from God.
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我们强烈要求上帝给一个解释。
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Some have concluded总结 that we can only believe in a God who shares分享 our pain疼痛.
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有人认为,我们只能相信上帝是能分担我们痛苦的。
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In some way, God must必须 feel the anguish痛苦, and grief哀思,
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通过某种方式,上帝一定感受到了我们所感受的痛苦、悲伤
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and physical物理 pain疼痛 that we feel.
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和肉体的痛楚。
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In some way the eternal永恒 God must必须 be able能够 to enter输入 into the souls灵魂 of human人的 beings众生
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通过某种方式,永恒的上帝一定能够进入人的灵魂,
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and experience经验 the torment折磨 within.
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体验人内心深处所经受的折磨。
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And if this is true真正, it must必须 also be that God knows知道 the joy喜悦 and exaltation提高
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如果这是真的,那么上帝也必定知道
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of the human人的 spirit精神, as well.
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人类精神上的喜悦和兴奋。
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We want a God who can weep哭泣 with those who weep哭泣,
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我们需要上帝可以与哭泣的人一同哭泣,
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and rejoice with those who rejoice.
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与高兴的人一同高兴。
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This seems似乎 to me both a deeply moving移动 and a convincing使人信服 re-statement再次声明
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我觉得这篇文章是一个既感人至深又有说服力的
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of Christian基督教 belief信仰 about God.
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基督徒对上帝信仰的与过去有点不同的声明。
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For hundreds数以百计 of years年份, the prevailing优势 orthodoxy正统, the accepted公认 truth真相,
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数百年来,盛行的正统和公认的真理是:
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was that God the Father父亲, the Creator创造者, is unchanging不变
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作为天父和造物主,上帝是永恒不变的,
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and therefore因此 by definition定义 cannot不能 feel pain疼痛 or sadness.
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因此根据定义,上帝是感觉不到痛苦或悲伤的。
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Now the unchanging不变 God feels感觉 a bit cold and indifferent冷漠 to me.
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现在,我感到这个永恒不变的上帝有点冷漠无情。
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And the devastating破坏性的 events事件 of the 20th century世纪
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20世纪所发生的一系列毁灭性事件
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have forced被迫 people to question the cold, unfeeling冷酷 God.
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迫使人们对这个冷酷无情的上帝产生怀疑。
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The slaughter屠宰 of millions百万 in the trenches战壕 and in the death死亡 camps营地
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在战壕和死亡集中营里数以百万计的屠杀,
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have caused造成 people to ask, "Where is God in all this?
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促使人们追问,那个时候上帝到哪里去了?
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Who is God in all this?"
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那些时候谁是上帝?
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And the answer回答 was, "God is in this with us,
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回答是:“要不上帝与我们同在,
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or God doesn't deserve值得 our allegiance忠诚 anymore."
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要不上帝已不值得我们信仰了。”
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If God is a bystander旁观者, observing观察 but not involved参与,
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如果上帝是一个旁观者,观察但不参与,
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then God may可能 well exist存在, but we don't want to know about Him.
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那么上帝可能仍然存在,但我们不想了解他。
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Many许多 Jews犹太人 and Christians基督徒 now feel like this, I know.
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我知道许多犹太人和基督徒现在就是这样认为的,
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And I am among其中 them.
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我是其中一员。
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So we have a suffering痛苦 God --
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因此,我们有一个受苦受难的上帝,
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a God who is intimately密切 connected连接的 with this world世界 and with every一切 living活的 soul灵魂.
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一个与这个世界,与每一个活生生的灵魂紧密相连的上帝。
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I very much relate涉及 to this idea理念 of God.
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我很赞同这个关于上帝的看法。
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But it isn't enough足够. I need to ask some more questions问题,
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但这还不够。我需要再问一些问题,
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and I hope希望 they are questions问题 that you will want to ask, as well,
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希望这也是你们
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some of you.
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想问的问题。
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Over the last few少数 weeks I have been struck来袭 by the number of times
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最近几个星期以来,我很多次被我们做礼拜所用的
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that words in our worship崇拜 have felt a bit inappropriate不当, a bit dodgy躲闪的.
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不恰当的和有点虚假的话所困扰。
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We have a pram婴儿车 service服务 on Tuesday星期二 mornings早晨 for mums妈妈 and their pre-school学前教育 children孩子.
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我们在星期二上午有一个对妈妈和学龄前儿童的托儿服务。
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And last week we sang with the children孩子 one of their favorite喜爱 songs歌曲,
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上周我们与孩子们一起唱了一首他们最喜爱的歌曲:
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"The Wise明智的 Man Built内置 His House Upon the Rock."
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“聪明人建房岩石上。”
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Perhaps也许 some of you know it. Some of the words go like this:
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也许你们当中有些人知道这首歌。其中有些歌词是这样的:
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"The foolish man built内置 his house upon the sand /
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“笨人建房沙滩上,
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And the floods洪水 came来了 up / And the house on the sand went crash紧急."
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风吹水涌起波浪,房倒屋塌遭祸殃。”
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Then in the same相同 week, at a funeral葬礼,
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就在同一个星期的一个葬礼上,
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we sang the familiar hymn圣歌 "We Plow the Fields字段 and Scatter分散,"
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我们唱起熟悉的赞美诗 “我们犁田与播种”,
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a very English英语 hymn圣歌.
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一首非常有英国风格的赞美诗。
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In the second第二 verse comes the line线, "The wind and waves波浪 obey遵守 Him."
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在第二节有这样一行,“风和浪也顺从他。”
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Do they? I don't feel we can sing that song歌曲 again in church教会,
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果真如此吗?在海啸发生后,我感觉我们不能再在教堂
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after what's happened发生.
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唱这首歌了。
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So the first big question is about control控制.
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因此,第一个大问题是关于掌控。
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Does God have a plan计划 for each of us? Is God in control控制?
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上帝是否对我们每个人都有一个计划?上帝是否在掌控中?
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Does God order订购 each moment时刻? Does the wind and the waves波浪 obey遵守 Him?
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上帝是否时时刻刻在安排这个世界?风和浪是否顺从他?
09:13
From time to time,
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人们时常听到
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one hears就听 Christians基督徒 telling告诉 the story故事 of how God organized有组织的 things for them,
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基督徒讲述上帝如何如何为他们安排各种各样的事情,
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so that everything worked工作 out all right --
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因此一切都最终顺利解决了。比如:
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some difficulty困难 overcome克服, some illness疾病 cured治愈, some trouble麻烦 averted避免,
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困难克服了,疾病治愈了,麻烦避免了,
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a parking停車處 space空间 found发现 at a crucial关键 time.
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在关键时刻找到了一个停车位,诸如此类。
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I can remember记得 someone有人 saying this to me,
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我还记得有个人在对我讲述这种故事时,
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with her eyes眼睛 shining闪亮的 with enthusiasm热情 at this wonderful精彩 confirmation确认 of her faith信仰
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她的眼中闪烁着热情的光芒,认为这是她的信仰
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and the goodness善良 of God.
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和上帝的美德的伟大见证。
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But if God can or will do these things --
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但是,如果上帝能够或者愿意做这之类的事情,
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intervene干预 to change更改 the flow of events事件 --
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干预改变事件的发生次序,
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then surely一定 he could have stopped停止 the tsunami海啸.
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那么毫无疑问他也应该能制止海啸的发生。
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Do we have a local本地 God who can do little things like parking停車處 spaces空间,
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难道我们有的只是一个小区域的上帝,可以管停车位这样的小事情,
10:00
but not big things like 500 mile-per-hour英里每小时 waves波浪?
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却不去管时速 500英里的海浪这样的大事情?
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That's just not acceptable接受 to intelligent智能 Christians基督徒,
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只要是有头脑的基督徒都不能接受这个观点,
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and we must必须 acknowledge确认 it.
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我们必须承认这一点:
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Either God is responsible主管 for the tsunami海啸,
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要么上帝为海啸负责,
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or God is not in control控制.
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要么上帝失去了控制。
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After the tragedy悲剧, survival生存 stories故事 began开始 to emerge出现.
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悲剧发生后,开始出现劫后余生的故事。
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You probably大概 heard听说 some of them:
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你们也许听说过其中的一些。比如:
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the man who surfed冲浪 the wave,
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一名男子因为会冲浪而生还;
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the teenage青少年 girl女孩 who recognized认可 the danger危险
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一个十几岁的女孩识别出了危险,
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because she had just been learning学习 about tsunamis海啸 at school学校.
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因为她刚刚在学校学习了有关海啸的知识;
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Then there was the congregation集合 who had left their usual通常 church教会 building建造 on the shore支撑
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一个教堂的会众没有使用他们平时用的在海岸边的教堂,
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to hold保持 a service服务 in the hills丘陵.
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而改在山上做礼拜,
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The preacher牧师 delivered交付 an extra额外 long sermon讲道,
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牧师恰巧做了一个超长的讲道,
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so that they were still out of harm's伤害的 way when the wave struck来袭.
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因此当巨浪袭来时他们还在山上而幸免于难。
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Afterwards之后 someone有人 said that God must必须 have been looking after them.
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后来有人说,一定是上帝在保佑他们。
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So the next下一个 question is about partiality偏心.
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因此,接下来的问题是关于偏袒。
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Can we earn God's favor偏爱 by worshipping崇拜 Him or believing相信 in Him?
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我们可以通过崇拜或信仰来赢得上帝的青睐吗?
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Does God demand需求 loyalty忠诚, like any medieval中世纪 tyrant暴君?
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上帝是否要求忠诚,象中世纪的暴君一样?
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A God who looks容貌 after His own拥有, so that Christians基督徒 are OK,
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上帝是否只照顾信他的人,所以基督徒没问题,
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while everyone大家 else其他 perishes?
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而其他人要灭亡?
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A cosmic宇宙的 us and them, and a God who is guilty有罪 of the worst最差 kind of favoritism偏爱?
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这个宇宙中有我们,他们,和一个犯有严重偏袒罪的上帝?
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That would be appalling骇人听闻的,
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这是非常可怕的,
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and that would be the point at which哪一个 I would hand in my membership.
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正是基于这一点,我辞去了我的教会职务。
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Such这样 a God would be morally道德 inferior to the highest最高 ideals理想 of humanity人性.
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这样的上帝在道义上甚至还不如最理想的人类道德。
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So who is God, if not the great puppet-master木偶大师 or the tribal部落的 protector保护者?
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那么上帝是谁,如果他不是那个伟大的傀儡操纵者或部落保护者的话?
11:47
Perhaps也许 God allows允许 or permits许可证 terrible可怕 things to happen发生,
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也许上帝同意或允许可怕的事情发生,
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so that heroism英雄主义 and compassion同情 can be shown显示.
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以便让人们有机会表现英雄主义和同情心。
11:55
Perhaps也许 God is testing测试 us: testing测试 our charity慈善机构, or our faith信仰.
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也许上帝是在考验我们:考验我们的善心、我们的信仰。
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Perhaps也许 there is a great, cosmic宇宙的 plan计划 that allows允许 for horrible可怕 suffering痛苦
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也许有一个伟大的宇宙计划,允许可怕的痛苦,
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so that everything will work out OK in the end结束.
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但一切都将最终顺利解决。
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Perhaps也许, but these ideas思路 are all just variations变化 on God controlling控制 everything,
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也许吧,但这些说法都只是 “上帝控制一切” 的变种。
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the supreme最高 commander指挥官 toying玩弄 with expendable消耗 units单位 in a great campaign运动.
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在一场大战中,最高指挥官玩弄着可被牺牲掉的部队。
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We are still left with a God who can do the tsunami海啸 and allow允许 Auschwitz奥斯威辛.
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留给我们的仍然是一个可以引发海啸、允许奥斯威辛集中营存在的上帝。
12:31
In his great novel小说, "The Brothers兄弟 Karamazov卡拉马佐夫," Dostoevsky陀思妥耶夫斯基 gives these words to Ivan伊万,
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在著名的小说《卡拉马佐夫兄弟》中,陀斯妥耶夫斯基以伊万之口,
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addressed解决 to his naive幼稚 and devout虔诚的 younger更年轻 brother哥哥, Alyosha阿辽沙:
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对他天真虔诚的弟弟阿辽沙说:
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"If the sufferings痛苦 of children孩子 go to make up the sum of sufferings痛苦
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“如果需要用孩子们的痛苦来
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which哪一个 is necessary必要 for the purchase采购 of truth真相,
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凑足购买真理所需的代价的话,
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then I say beforehand预先 that the entire整个 truth真相 is not worth价值 such这样 a price价钱.
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我会事先说,整个真理不值这个价钱。
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We cannot不能 afford给予 to pay工资 so much for admission入场.
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我们买不起这么昂贵的入场券。
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It is not God that I do not accept接受.
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我不是不接受上帝,
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I merely仅仅, most respectfully尊敬, return返回 Him the ticket."
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我只是恭敬地退回他的门票而已。”
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Or perhaps也许 God set the whole整个 universe宇宙 going at the beginning开始
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或者也许,上帝在创造整个宇宙的时候设定好了一切,
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and then relinquished放弃 control控制 forever永远,
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然后永远地放弃了控制,
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so that natural自然 processes流程 could occur发生, and evolution演化 run its course课程.
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因此过程可以自然地发生,按进化论而展开。
13:25
This seems似乎 more acceptable接受,
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这似乎更加容易接受一些,
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but it still leaves树叶 God with the ultimate最终 moral道德 responsibility责任.
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但这仍然使上帝负有最终的道德责任。
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Is God a cold, unfeeling冷酷 spectator观众?
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上帝是一个冷酷无情的旁观者吗?
13:39
Or a powerless无力 lover情人, watching观看 with infinite无穷 compassion同情
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或者上帝爱莫能助,以无限的同情看着事情的发生,
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things God is unable无法 to control控制 or change更改?
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而无法控制或改变?
13:48
Is God intimately密切 involved参与 in our suffering痛苦,
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上帝是否深切地感受到我们的痛苦,
13:52
so that He feels感觉 it in His own拥有 being存在?
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从而觉得那也是他自己的痛苦?
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If we believe something like this, we must必须 let go of the puppet-master木偶大师 completely全然,
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如果我们相信这样的观点,我们必须彻底抛弃认为上帝是傀儡操纵者,
14:04
take our leave离开 of the almighty大能 controller调节器, abandon放弃 traditional传统 models楷模.
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全能主宰者的看法,放弃传统的信仰模式。
14:09
We must必须 think again about God.
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我们必须重新思考上帝。
14:13
Maybe God doesn't do things at all.
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也许上帝什么事也没做。
14:18
Maybe God isn't an agent代理人 like all of us are agents代理.
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也许上帝不是我们这样的代理人。
14:23
Early religious宗教 thought conceived设想 God as a sort分类 of superhuman超人 person,
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早期的宗教思想认为上帝是一种超人,
14:28
doing things all over the place地点.
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到处做一些事情。比如:
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Beating殴打 up the Egyptians埃及人, drowning溺死 them in the Red Sea, wasting浪费 cities城市, getting得到 angry愤怒.
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殴打埃及人,把他们淹死在红海,毁灭城市,大发雷霆。
14:37
The people knew知道 their God by His mighty威武 acts行为.
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人们通过上帝的这些超凡举动认识上帝。
14:41
But what if God doesn't act法案? What if God doesn't do things at all?
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但是,如果上帝没有举动呢?如果上帝根本没有做任何事情呢?
14:48
What if God is in things?
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如果上帝就在事物中呢?
14:52
The loving爱心 soul灵魂 of the universe宇宙.
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比如是宇宙中关爱的灵魂,
14:55
An in-dwelling留置 compassionate富于同情心的 presence存在, underpinning托底 and sustaining维持 all things.
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支撑并维持所有事物存在的内在的一股仁慈的能量。
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What if God is in things?
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如果上帝就在事物中呢?
15:07
In the infinitely无限地 complex复杂 network网络 of relationships关系 and connections连接 that make up life.
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在构成生命的无限复杂的关连网络中,
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In the natural自然 cycle周期 of life and death死亡,
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在必然不断发生的生命与死亡、
15:17
the creation创建 and destruction毁坏 that must必须 happen发生 continuously一直.
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创造与毁灭的自然周期中,
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In the process处理 of evolution演化.
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在进化的过程中,
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In the incredible难以置信 intricacy复杂 and magnificence壮丽 of the natural自然 world世界.
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在令人难以置信的复杂性和自然界的辉煌中,
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In the collective集体 unconscious无意识, the soul灵魂 of the human人的 race种族.
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在集体无意识、人类的灵魂中,
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In you, in me, mind心神 and body身体 and spirit精神.
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在你中、我中,头脑中、身体中和精神中,
15:42
In the tsunami海啸, in the victims受害者. In the depth深度 of things.
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在海啸中,在死难者中,在事物的深处,
15:47
In presence存在 and in absence缺席. In simplicity简单 and complexity复杂.
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在存在与虚无中,在简单和复杂中,
15:52
In change更改 and development发展 and growth发展.
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在变化、发展、壮大中。
15:57
How does this in-ness在岬, this innernessinnerness, this interiority内在 of God work?
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怎么合理诠释上帝的这种 “同在性”、“内性”、“内在性” ?
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It's hard to conceive构想, and begs乞求 more questions问题.
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人们难以理解,并提出更多的问题。
16:06
Is God just another另一个 name名称 for the universe宇宙,
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也许上帝只是宇宙的另一个名字,
16:09
with no independent独立 existence存在 at all?
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而根本不是一个独立的存在?
16:11
I don't know.
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我不知道
16:13
To what extent程度 can we ascribe归咎于 personality个性 to God?
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在多大程度上我们可以给上帝赋予人格?
16:20
I don't know.
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我不知道。
16:22
In the end结束, we have to say, "I don't know."
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最后,我们不得不说,“我不知道。”
16:26
If we knew知道, God would not be God.
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如果我们知道,上帝就不是上帝了。
16:29
To have faith信仰 in this God
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相信这个上帝
16:31
would be more like trusting信任的 an essential必要 benevolence in the universe宇宙,
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应该更象是相信宇宙中的原善,
16:37
and less like believing相信 a system系统 of doctrinal教义 statements声明.
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而不是相信一套教义的陈述。
16:41
Isn't it ironic具有讽刺意味 that Christians基督徒 who claim要求 to believe
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基督徒声称
16:45
in an infinite无穷, unknowable不可知 being存在
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相信一个无限的、不可知的存在,
16:47
then tie领带 God down in closed关闭 systems系统 and rigid死板 doctrines学说?
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然后又把上帝束缚在一套封闭的、僵化的教条之中,难道不可笑吗?
16:54
How could one practice实践 such这样 a faith信仰?
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怎么能实践这样一种信仰?
16:59
By seeking the God within. By cultivating培育 my own拥有 inwardness天性.
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通过发自内心地寻求上帝;通过培养自己的内在灵性,
17:07
In silence安静, in meditation冥想, in my inner space空间, in the me that remains遗迹
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在静默中,在冥想中,在我的内心世界中,
17:15
when I gently平缓 put aside在旁边 my passing通过 emotions情绪 and ideas思路 and preoccupations当务之急.
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在我轻轻放下暂时的情绪、想法和成见之后依然存在的这个本我中,
17:24
In awareness意识 of the inner conversation会话.
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在内省的意识中。
17:27
And how would we live生活 such这样 a faith信仰? How would I live生活 such这样 a faith信仰?
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我们如何活出这样一种信仰?我自己怎样才能活出这样一种信仰?
17:33
By seeking intimate亲密 connection连接 with your inwardness天性.
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这需要通过寻求与你的内在灵性的密切关系,
17:38
The kind of relationships关系 when deep speaks说话 to deep.
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那是一种推心置腹交谈时毫不遮掩的关系。
17:42
If God is in all people, then there is a meeting会议 place地点
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如果上帝存在于所有人之中,那么在我与你之间
17:46
where my relationship关系 with you becomes a three-way三路 encounter遭遇.
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就有一个我们三方能彼此相遇的一个地方。
17:51
There is an Indian印度人 greeting欢迎, which哪一个 I'm sure some of you know:
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印度有一句问候语,肯定你们当中有些人知道:
17:57
"Namaste合十礼," accompanied伴随着 by a respectful尊敬的 bow,
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“那马斯特”,伴随一个恭敬的鞠躬。
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which哪一个, roughly大致 translated翻译 means手段,
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其大致的意思是
18:05
"That which哪一个 is of God in me greets招呼 that which哪一个 of God is in you."
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“我内在的上帝问候你内在的上帝。”
18:10
Namaste合十礼.
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那马斯特。
18:15
And how would one deepen深化 such这样 a faith信仰?
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那么我们如何深化这种信仰?
18:18
By seeking the inwardness天性 which哪一个 is in all things.
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这需要通过寻求在所有事物中的内在灵性。
18:21
In music音乐 and poetry诗歌, in the natural自然 world世界 of beauty美女
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在音乐和诗歌中,在自然界的美丽中,
18:26
and in the small ordinary普通 things of life,
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在平凡的生活琐事中,
18:29
there is a deep, indwelling留置 presence存在 that makes品牌 them extraordinary非凡.
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都有一个深刻的、内在的存在使这些东西不平常。
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It needs需求 a profound深刻 attentiveness注意力 and a patient患者 waiting等候,
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它需要一种深邃的注意力和耐心的等待,
18:41
a contemplative沉思 attitude态度 and a generosity慷慨 and openness透明度
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一个沉思的态度,以及
18:46
to those whose谁的 experience经验 is different不同 from my own拥有.
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对与自己的经历不同的人的慷慨大方和开放包容。
18:51
When I stood站在 up to speak说话 to my people about God and the tsunami海啸,
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当我站起来向我们教会的人讲述上帝和海啸时,
18:54
I had no answers答案 to offer提供 them.
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我无法为他们提供答案。
18:58
No neat整齐 packages of faith信仰, with Bible圣经 references引用 to prove证明 them.
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圣经没有提供一套现成的套路和说词来证明,
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Only doubts疑惑 and questioning疑问 and uncertainty不确定.
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只有怀疑、质问和不确定。
19:08
I had some suggestions建议 to make --
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我提出了一些建议,
19:11
possible可能 new ways方法 of thinking思维 about God.
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一些关于上帝的可能的新思路,
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Ways方法 that might威力 allow允许 us to go on, down a new and uncharted未知 road.
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这些思路或许能使我们沿着一条新的未知的道路继续走下去。
19:20
But in the end结束, the only thing I could say for sure was, "I don't know,"
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但最后,我唯一可以肯定说的是,“我不知道。“
19:28
and that just might威力 be the most profoundly深深 religious宗教 statement声明 of all.
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这也许正是最深刻虔诚的声明。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
Translated by James Dang
Reviewed by Gary Wang

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Tom Honey - Priest
The Vicar of St David's Church, Exeter, in the UK, is unafraid to take on some of religion's tougher issues.

Why you should listen

Tom Honey's appeal goes far beyond his own congregation. For years he was the vicar of the church in Oxford attended decades earlier by the Christian thinker C.S. Lewis. As Reverend, Honey built a reputation there for thoughtful sermons that disdained cliche or easy answers. They were often willing to grapple with the darker side of life -- pain, loss, grief -- and the challenges these presented to the concept of a loving God.

These challenges were dramatically highlighted by the devastation of the Indian Ocean tsunami of late 2004 in which some 300,000 people died, making it one of the worst natural disasters in human history. The sermon penned by Honey shortly after was eloquent and powerful enough to win him an invitation to come speak at TED.

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