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Isaac Mizrahi: Fashion and creativity
艾萨克 米兹拉希 时尚与创意
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时尚设计师 艾萨克 米兹拉希 快速的讲述了一连串激励人心的趣事--从50年代美女照到瞥到衬衣的小洞让他大喊：“停车”。在他轻松的演讲中能找到如何快乐又有创造力的生活的真实线索。
Isaac Mizrahi - Fashion designer
Fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi mixes high fashion and the mass market, with a line of haute couture and a line for Target. Plus a talk show, a cabaret act, a movie, a new book ... Full bio
Fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi mixes high fashion and the mass market, with a line of haute couture and a line for Target. Plus a talk show, a cabaret act, a movie, a new book ... Full bio
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I have, like, a thing about sleeping.
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我，好像，对睡觉有点看法。
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I don't sleep that much,
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我睡得不是很多。
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and I've come to this thing about, like, not sleeping much
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而我已经把睡得少这件事
00:25
as being a great virtue, after years of kind of
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视为一个很大的美德，经过多年
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battling it as being a terrible detriment, or something.
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的思想斗争，因为我一度认为睡眠不足是有害健康的。
00:29
And now I really like sort of sitting up, you know.
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而现在我在某种程度上真的很喜欢坐着熬夜，你知道。
00:32
But for years I've been sitting up
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但是这么多年，我都这么坐着熬夜，
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and I think that, like, my creativity is greatly motivated by this kind of insomnia.
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我想大概我的创造力在很大程度上是被这种失眠症所激发出来的。
00:41
I lie awake. I think thoughts. I walk aimlessly.
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我清醒的躺着，我考虑各种想法，我漫步目的的走着。
00:46
Sometimes I used to walk more at night.
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有时候，我很习惯在夜里散布。
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I walk during the day and I follow people who I think look interesting.
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在白天走路，而且跟着那些看起来很有趣的人。
00:52
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
00:54
And sometimes -- actually, once it was on Page Six in the Post,
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而有时候--事实上，曾经登载The Post的第六页上，
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that I was cruising this guy, like, sort of, whatever,
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像是在跟踪这个男的，不管怎样，
01:01
but I was actually just following because he had these really great shoes on.
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而我跟着他的真正原因是他穿着一双真的很好的鞋。
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And so I was following this guy.
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所以我就跟着这个男的。
01:07
And I took a picture of his shoes,
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然后给他的鞋子照了一张相，
01:08
and we thanked each other and just went on our way.
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还互相握了手然后就各走各的了。
01:10
But I do that all the time.
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而我一直都是这个样子的。
01:11
As a matter of fact, I think a lot of my design ideas
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事实上，我想很多我的设计理念
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come from mistakes and tricks of the eye.
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都来自于错误和眼睛造成的错觉。
01:19
Because I feel like, you know, there are so many images out there,
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因为我觉得好像，你知道，到处都有很多画面
01:23
so many clothes out there.
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到处都有很多服装。
01:26
And the only ones that look interesting to me
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而仅有的那些让我感兴趣的
01:28
are the ones that look slightly mistaken, of course,
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就是看起来好像有点错的，当然，
01:32
or very, very surprising.
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或者非常非常令人惊叹的。
01:34
And often, I'm driving in a taxi
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而且经常，我在出租车里，
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and I see a hole in a shirt, or something
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看到衬衫的一个洞，或者别的什么东西，
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that looks very interesting or pretty or functional
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那看起来很有趣，或者说好看或者很实用的设计
01:41
in some way that I'd never seen happen before.
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从某种意思上我以前从来没有见过。
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And so I'd make the car stop, and I'd get out of the car and walk,
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于是我让车停下来，然后下了车走路，
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and see that in fact there wasn't a hole, but it was a trick of my eye,
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后来发现实际上没有洞，而仅仅是眼睛的错觉，
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it was a shadow, you know.
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那不过是一个影子，你知道。
01:54
Or if there was a hole I'd think like, oh damn,
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我又想或者真的是有一个洞，啊完了，
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there was actually someone thought of that thought already.
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已经有人想到过这个想法了。
01:58
Someone made that mistake already so I can't do it anymore.
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有人已经犯了那样的错，所以我不能再那么做了。
02:02
I don't know where inspiration comes from.
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我不知道灵感是从哪里来的。
02:05
It does not come for me from research.
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对于我来说，它不来自于研究。
02:09
I don't get necessarily inspired by research.
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我不必需要研究来激发我的灵感。
02:11
As a matter of fact, one of the most fun things
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事实上，最好笑的一件事，
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I've ever, ever done in my whole life,
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我曾经，曾经在我整个生命里做过的，
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was this Christmas season at the Guggenheim in New York.
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是在圣诞节期间在纽约的古根海姆
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I read "Peter and the Wolf" with this beautiful band from Juilliard.
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我在来自朱利亚德的完美乐团的陪伴下读了比特和狼
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And I did like, you know, the narrator, and I read it.
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你知道，我像一个讲述者一样，读了它。
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And I saw this really smart critic who I love.
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我发现了这个我喜欢的极其聪明的评论家
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This woman, Joan Acocella, who's a friend of mine,
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这个女的叫琼 艾克希拉，我的一个朋友，
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and she came backstage and she said,
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她来到后台，说
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oh, you know, Isaac, did you know that, talking about Stalinism
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哦，你知道， 艾萨克，你知道吗，说道斯大林主义，
02:34
and talking about, you know, like the '30s in Russia.
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还提到，你知道，大概三十年代的俄国。
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And I said, how do I know about Stalinism?
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我说，我怎么可能是到斯大林主义呢？
02:40
I know about a wolf and a bird and, you know,
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我知道哦一只狼和一只鸟，你知道，
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he ate the bird, and then in the end you hear, you know,
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他把鸟吃了，然后最后你也听到，你知道，
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you hear the bird squeaking, or something, you know?
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你听到鸟吱吱的叫，或者别的什么，你知道？
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So I don't really know that. I don't really --
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所以我不是很清楚那个，真的不是很清楚--
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actually I do my own kind of research, you know.
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事实上我会做我自己独特的研究，你知道，
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If I'm commissioned to do the costumes for an 18th-century opera, or something like that,
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如果我受托为18世纪的歌剧或者别的类似的场合做服装，
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I will do a lot of research, because it's interesting,
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我会做很多研究，因为那样很有趣，
03:01
not because it's what I'm supposed to do.
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不是因为那是我应该做的才去做。
03:03
I'm very, very, very inspired by movies.
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电影特别，特别，特别能激起我的灵感。
03:06
The color of movies and the way light makes the colors,
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电影里的颜色以及灯光照亮颜色的方式，
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light from behind the projection,
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来自放映机后面的光线，
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or light from the projection, makes the colors look so impossible.
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或者来自于放映机本身的光线，让这些色彩看起来这么的不真实。
03:17
And anyway, roll this little clip, I'll just show you.
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不管怎么说，放一下这个小片段，给你们看看，
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I sit up at night and I watch movies
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我在晚上坐着看电影，
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and I watch women in movies a lot.
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在电影里经常观察女人。
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And I think about, you know, their roles,
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我会思考，你知道，她们的角色，
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and about how you have to, like, watch what your daughters look at.
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你也要试着喜欢看你女儿看的电影。
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Because I look at the way women are portrayed all the time.
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因为我总是会去观察描绘女人的方式
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Whether they're kind of glorified in this way,
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不管是对她们是赞美，
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or whether they're kind of, you know, ironically glorified,
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或者，你知道，对她们是具有讽刺意味的赞美。
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or whether they're, you know, sort of denigrated, or ironically denigrated.
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或者她们，你知道，在某种程度上被诋毁，或者讥讽地毁谤。
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I go back to color all the time.
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我永远都会再回到色彩上来。
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Color is something that motivates me a lot.
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色彩是非常能激发我灵感的事物。
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It's rarely color that I find in nature,
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我在自然界中很难发现的色彩，
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although, you know, juxtaposed next to artificial color,
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尽管，你知道，与人造色并列在一起
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natural color is so beautiful.
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自然的颜色是如此的美丽。
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So that's what I do. I study color a lot.
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所以那就是我做的。我对色彩做了很多研究
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But for the most part, I think, like, how can I ever make anything
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但是大部分时间，我想，似乎，我怎么可能做出
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that is as beautiful as that image of Natalie Wood?
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像娜塔莉伍德的画面那样美丽的事物呢？
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How can I ever make anything as beautiful as Greta Garbo?
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我怎么可能做出想葛瑞塔 嘎博那么美丽的事物呢？
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I mean, that's just not possible, you know.
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我的意思是，那是不可能的，你知道。
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And so that's what makes me lie awake at night, I guess, you know.
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所以那就是让我在夜里躺着不睡的原因吧，我猜，你知道。
04:35
I want to show you -- I'm also like a big --
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我想给你们看看--我也想一个大--
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I go to astrologers and tarot card readers often,
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我常常会去找占星家和塔罗牌算命者。
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and that's another thing that motivates me a lot.
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那也是另一件激发我灵感的事。
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People say, oh, do that. An astrologer tells me to do something.
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人们说，噢，做那个。而占星家告诉我做一些事。
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So I do it.
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所以我做了。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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When I was about 21, an astrologer told me
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我21岁的时候，一个占星家告诉我
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that I was going to meet the man of my dreams,
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我会遇到我梦寐的男人
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and that his name was going to be Eric, right?
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而他的名字将会是艾瑞克，是吗？
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So, you know, for years I would go to bars
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所以，你知道，很多年我都应该到酒吧
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and, sort of, anyone I met whose name was Eric
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然后我遇到的任何叫艾瑞克的人
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I was humping immediately, or something.
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我都会立即XX一下或者什么的。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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And there were times when I was actually so desperate
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有时候我实际上是很绝望的
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I would just, you know, walk into a room and just go like, "Eric!"
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我会就，你知道，走进一间房然后就喊“艾瑞克”
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And anybody who would turn around I would, sort of, make a beeline for.
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然后任何回头看的人，我差不多都会径直走过去。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
05:16
And I had this really interesting tarot reading a long time ago.
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很久以前我有这么一个读塔罗牌的有趣经历
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The last card he pulled, which was representing my destiny
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他最后拉出来的卡，代表我的命运
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was this guy on like a straw boater with a cane
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画着一个戴草帽，拿手杖的男人
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and you know, sort of spats and this, you know, a minstrel singer, right?
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脚上带着类似鞋罩的东西，像一个吟游诗人
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I want to show you this clip because I do this kind of crazy thing
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我想想大家展示一个片子，因为我在做歌舞表演的时候
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where I do a cabaret act.
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做了这样疯狂的事
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So actually, check this out.
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看一下就知道了
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Very embarrassing.
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很丢脸的。
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(Video): Thank you. We can do anything you ask.
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（视频）：谢谢，我们能做一切你要求的事情
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The name of the show is based on this story
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这个节目的名字是源于这样一个故事，
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that I have to tell you about my mother.
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是关于我母亲的，给你们讲讲。
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It's sort of an excerpt from a quote of hers.
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从某种程度上来说像是出自自她说的话。
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I was dating this guy, right?
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那时候我在和一个男的约会。
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And this has to do with being happy, I swear.
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只是因为和他在一起很开心，我发誓。
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I was dating this guy and it was going on for about a year, right.
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我和他交往了差不多持续了一年
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And we were getting serious,
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我们彼此都很认真。
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so we decided to invite them all to dinner, our parents.
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所以我们决定请我们的父母一起共进晚餐。
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And we, you know, sort of introduced them to each other.
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我们就，介绍他们互相认识。
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My mother was, sort of, very sensitive to his mother,
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我母亲对于他的母亲有点太过敏感。
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who it seemed was a little bit skeptical about the whole alternative lifestyle thing.
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他母亲对于整个非主流的生活方式秉持着怀疑的态度。
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You know, homosexuality, right?
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你知道，就是同性恋。
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So my mother was a little offended. She turned to her and she said,
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所以我母亲感觉被冒犯了。她就转过去对着她说，
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"Are you kidding? They have the greatest life together.
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“你是在开玩笑吗？他们是天生的一对。
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They eat out, they see shows."
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他们一起吃饭，一起看表演。”
06:25
They eat out, they see shows.
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他们一起去吃饭，他们一起去表演。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:29
That's the name of the show, they eat out, they --
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这就是这个节目的名字。他们一起去吃饭，他们--
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that's on my tombstone when I die.
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我死了以后就会在我的墓碑上刻这句话。
06:32
"He ate out, he saw shows," right?
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“他曾经去吃饭，去看表演”，是吧
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So in editing these clips, I didn't have the audacity
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在剪辑这个片子的时候，我没有这么厚的脸皮
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to edit a clip of me singing at Joe's Pub.
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去把我在Joe's 酒吧里面唱歌的片段剪出来。
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So you'll have to, like, go check it out and come see me or something.
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所以你们可能得亲自去看我的表演
06:47
Because it's mortifying, and yet it feels ...
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因为有点羞耻，而感觉像是...
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I don't know how to put this.
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我不知道怎么去形容这个。
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I feel as little comfort as possible is a good thing, you know.
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我觉得越不自在，反而是一件好事。
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And at least, you know, in my case,
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至少对于我来说是这样的，
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because if I just do one thing all the time,
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因为，如果我一直都在做同一件事，
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I don't know, I get very, very bored. I bore very easily.
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我不知道，我就会非常非常的无聊。我很容易变得无聊。
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And you know, I don't say that I do everything well,
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我不是在说我能把每一件事都做好。
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I just say that I do a lot of things, that's all.
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我只是说我会做很多的事，仅此而已。
07:22
And I kind of try not to look back, you know.
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我会试图不去回顾以前的事。
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Except, I guess, that's what staying up every night is about.
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除非...我猜，我每晚不睡觉就是为了这个，
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Like, looking back and thinking, what a fool you made of yourself, you know.
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像，回顾和思考，你把你自己变得如此的傻逼。
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But I guess that's okay. Right?
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但是我想这还是可以的吧，是吧？
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Because if you do many things
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因为如果你做很多事，
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you get to feel lousy about everything,
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你就会对每一件事都感到糟糕，
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and not just one, you know.
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而且不是只有一件。
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You don't master feeling lousy about one thing.
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你不会精通于对一件事感到恼人的。
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Yeah, exactly.
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是的，确实是这样的。
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I will show you this next thing,
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接下来我给你们看看这个，
07:51
speaking of costumes for operas.
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说到歌剧的服饰
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I do work with different choreographers.
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我和很多不同的编舞家合作过。
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I work with Twyla Tharp a lot,
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像是Twyla，Tharp,很多
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and I work with Mark Morris a lot,
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还和马克莫瑞斯合作了很多，
07:58
who is one of my best friends.
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他是我最好的朋友之一。
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And I designed three operas with him,
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我和他一起设计了三部歌剧。
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and the most recent one, "King Arthur."
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最近的这个是，“亚瑟王”
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I'd been very ingrained in the dance world
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我和舞蹈世界的渊源很深
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since I was a teenager.
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I went to performing arts high school,
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我在高中读了演绎艺术
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where I was an actor.
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那时候我是个演员
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And many of my friends were ballet dancers.
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我很多的朋友都是芭蕾舞者
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Again, I don't know where inspiration comes from.
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我还是不是到灵感是从哪里来的。
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I don't know where it comes from.
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我不知道它从哪里就冒出来了。
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I started making puppets when I was a kid.
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我还是个小孩的时候我就开始做玩偶。
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Maybe that's where the whole inspiration thing started from, puppets, right.
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可能那就是我灵感开始的地方，玩偶！
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And then performing arts high school.
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然后就是表演艺术高中
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There I was in high school,
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meeting dancers and acting.
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认识了一些舞者也做了表演。
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And somehow, from there, I got interested in design.
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不知道怎么的，从那时候开始我就着迷于设计。
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I went to Parsons School of Design
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我去了帕森斯设计学院学习，
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and then I began my career as a designer.
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后来我就开始了我设计师的职业生涯。
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I don't really think of myself as a designer,
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我不太认为自己是一个设计师。
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I don't really think of myself necessarily as a fashion designer.
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我也不太认为自己是一个时尚设计师。
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And frankly, I don't really know what to call myself.
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坦白讲，我也不知道应该怎么称呼我自己。
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I think of myself as a ... I don't know what I think of myself as.
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我觉得自己是...我不知道我认为自己是做什么。
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It's just that.
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就这样咯
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
09:00
But I must say, this whole thing about being slightly bored all the time,
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但是我必须要说，老是觉得有点无聊这件事，
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that is what -- I think that is a very important thing for a fashion designer.
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我想那是一件对于时尚设计师来说非常重要的事。
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You always have to be slightly bored with everything.
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你应该要去对每一件事都感到那么一点乏味。
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And if you're not, you have to pretend to be slightly bored with everything.
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如果你不是，也要装着对每一件事都觉得有点乏味。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
09:15
But I am really a little bored with everything.
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但是我是真的对每一件事都觉得有点乏味。
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I always say to my partner, Marisa Gardini, who books everything --
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我总是会对我的工作伙伴说--玛丽莎 嘎迪尼， 她会预订所有的事--
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she books everything and she makes everything happen.
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她安排所有的事而且能把所有的事都办好。
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And she makes all the deals.
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所有的生意都是她打理的。
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And I always tell her that I find myself
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我总是给她说，我发现我
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with a lot of time on the computer bridge program.
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花很多时间在电脑上玩桥牌
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Too much time on computer bridge, which is, you know, like that's
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花太多时间在电脑桥牌上，就像，
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so ... somehow, like, about ten years ago
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太...不知道怎么的，像是十年前
09:39
I thought that the most unboring place in the world
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我想世界上最不无聊的地方
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would be like a T.V. studio,
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会是一个电视中心，
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like for a day show. Some kind of day talk show.
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制作每天都会播出的节目，像是一些脱口秀。
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Because it's all of these things that I love
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因为都是一些我喜欢的事情，
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all kind of in one place.
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都放在了一个地方。
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And if you ever get bored you can look at another thing,
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而且如果你觉得无聊了，你可以去看其他的事情
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and do another thing and talk about it, right?
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做其他的事，谈论它，是吧？
09:57
And so I had this T.V. show.
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所以我就做了这个电视节目。
09:59
And that was a very, very, very big part of my process.
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那是在我生涯中的一个非常，非常，非常重要的一部分。
10:02
Actually, could you roll the clip, please?
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事实上，能放一下这个片子吗？谢谢
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This is one of my favorite clips of Rosie.
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这是我若斯的片子里我最喜欢的几部之一。
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(Video) Isaac Mizrahi: We're back on the set.
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（视频）艾萨克 米兹拉稀：我们回到现场。
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Hi there.
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嗨，大家好。
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Rosie O'Donnell: Hello, Ben.
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若斯 欧 唐娜：你好，本。
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IM: Look how cute she looks with this, just a slick back.
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IM:看她梳个油头看起来有多可爱
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Man: Her grandmother says, "Delish!"
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男的：她妈妈说：“可口！”
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IM: Ah, wow, delish. All right. So now where should I position myself?
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IM: 啊，哇噢，可口。好吧，现在我要坐在哪呢？
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I want to stay out of the way.
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我不要来碍事。
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I don't want to be -- okay. Here we go.
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我不想--好吧，我们开始吧。
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Do you get nervous, Ashleigh?
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你觉得紧张吗，阿希利？
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Ashleigh: Doing what?
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阿希利：紧张什么？
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ROD: Cutting hair.
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剪头发。
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A: Cutting hair? Never, never.
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A：剪头发？从来不，从来不。
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I don't think there was ever a day where I cut hair I was nervous.
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我剪头从来没有一次紧张的。
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IM: You look so cute already, by the way.
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你看起来已经很可爱了
10:31
ROD: You like it? All right.
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你喜欢吗？好吧
10:33
IM: Do you have a problem with looking cute? You want to look cute.
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你不想看起来很可爱吗？你希望看起来很可爱吧。
10:34
ROD: Of course I want to look cute.
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ROD:当然，我希望看起来可爱啊。
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IM: Just checking, because some people want to look, you know,
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IM: 只是确认一下，因为有的人希望看起来，
10:37
aggressively ugly.
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丑的吓人。
10:38
ROD: No, not me, no.
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ROD:不，我不。
10:39
IM: You read about all these people who have a lot of money
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IM: 你会读一些报道关于那些有钱人
10:43
and they have kids and the kids always end up somehow, like,
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他们有孩子，但是这些孩子总是最后都，
10:46
really messed up, you know what I mean?
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非常糟糕，你知道我的意思吧？
10:48
And there's got to be some way to do that, Rosie.
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总会有解决的办法，若斯
10:51
Because just because if you're fabulously rich, and fabulously famous,
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因为仅仅因为你超级有钱，超级有名，
10:55
does that mean you shouldn't have kids,
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那就意味着你不能有孩子吗？
10:57
because you know they're going to end up getting messed up?
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因为你知道他们的生活可能最后会一塌糊涂？
10:58
ROD: No, but it means that your priority has to be
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ROD: 不，但是那意味着你要把
11:00
their well-being first, I think.
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他们的幸福生活放在第一位，我想。
11:03
But you have to make the decision for yourself.
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但是你需要自己来做决定。
11:05
My kids are seven, who the hell knows.
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我的孩子7岁，谁知道呢。
11:07
They're going to be like 14 and in rehab.
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他们会不会14岁进戒毒所
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And they're going to be playing this clip:
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也许他们会观看这个片段。
11:10
"I'm such a good mother."
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“我是这么一个好妈妈。”
11:14
My God, this is the shortest I've ever had.
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天哪，这是我剪得最短的一次。
11:16
IM: It looks good, yeah?
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IM:看起来不错，是吧？
11:17
A: I was going to ask you, has your hair ever been --
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A：我正要问你，你的头发--
11:18
ROD: No! It's all right -- go crazy.
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ROD:不，挺好的--疯了。
11:20
IM: I feel like it needs to be a little closer down here.
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IM:我觉得这边需要下来一点。
11:22
A: Oh no, we're just staging,
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A：哦，不，我们会一步一步的来。
11:24
ROD: We're just staging it.
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ROD:我们正在分段。
11:25
IM: Are you freaking out? You look so cute.
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IM:你害怕吗？你看起来太可爱了。
11:26
ROD: No, I love it. It's the new me.
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ROD: 不，我喜欢这样，这是一个新的我。
11:28
IM: Oh, it's so fabulous!
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IM:噢，太棒了！
11:29
ROD: Flock of Rosie. Wooo!
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ROD:若斯的短毛，喔！
11:33
IM: So by the way. Of all the most unboring things in the world, right.
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所以，全是些最不无聊的事。
11:38
I mean, like making someone who's already cute look terrible like that.
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我是说，像是把某些人本来已经很可爱了弄得很可怕。
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That is not boring. That is nothing if it's not boring.
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那不无聊。这都不无聊，还有什么是有趣的事呢。
11:46
Actually, I read this great quote the other day, which was,
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有天我读到一句很好的话，说，
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"Style makes you feel great because it takes your mind off the fact that you're going to die."
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”时尚让人觉得很棒是因为它让你忘却你即将死去的这个现实。“
11:56
Right? And then I realized, that was on my website,
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是吧？然后，我发现，那是我的网站，
12:01
and then it said, like, you know, the quote was attributed to me
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上面写，这句话是我说的。
12:03
and I thought, oh, I said something, you know, in an interview.
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然后我就想，啊，我在一个采访的时候说了这么些东西。
12:05
I forgot that I said that. But it's really true.
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我忘了我说过那些话，但是那是真的。
12:09
I want to show you this last clip because it's going to be my last goodbye.
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我想给你们看看最后一段片子，用这段片子来说再见吧。
12:13
I'll tell you that I cook a lot also. I love to cook.
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我告诉你们我常常做菜，我喜欢做菜。
12:16
And I often look at things as though they're food.
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我常常把很多事物比作食物来看。
12:19
Like I say, oh, you know, would you serve a rotten chicken?
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比如我说，噢，你会把腐烂的鸡端上餐桌吗？
12:22
Then how could you serve, you know, a beat up old dress or something.
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你怎么去服务呢，穿一件破烂的就洋装吗
12:24
How could you show a beat up old dress?
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你怎么能穿一件破烂的洋装呢？
12:25
I always relate things to kitchen-ry.
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我总会把食物和厨房的东西联系起来。
12:30
And so I think that's what it all boils down to.
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我想这就是最后的结论。
12:34
Everything boils down to that.
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所有的事都归于食物。
12:35
So check this out.
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就来看看这个吧。
12:36
This is what I've been doing because I think it's the most fun thing in the world.
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这是我一直在做的事，以为我觉得这是世界上最有趣的事。
12:39
It's, like, this website.
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像这个网站。
12:40
It's got a lot of different things on it.
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在上面有很多不同的东西
12:42
It's a polymathematical website.
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一个很多元化的网站。
12:44
We actually shoot segments like T.V. show segments.
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我们拍摄了很多像是电视节目的短片
12:48
And it's kind of my favorite thing in the world.
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算是世界上我最喜欢做的事情了。
12:51
And it just began like in the beginning of February. So who knows?
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大概今年二月初才开始。谁知道呢。
12:53
And again, I don't say it's good, I just think it's not boring, right?
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再说一次，我没有说这个很好，我只是说它不无聊。
12:57
And here is the last bit.
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这是最后一小段。
13:02
(Video) IM: I have to tell you, I make buttermilk pancakes or buttermilk waffles all the time.
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视频：IM:给你说，我常常做白脱牛奶薄饼或者白脱牛奶瓦夫。
13:06
Chef: Do you?
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厨师：是吗？
13:07
IM: Yeah, but I can never find buttermilk, ever.
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IM:是的，但是我从来没有找到过白脱牛奶，从来没有。
13:09
Chef: Oh.
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厨师：噢。
13:10
IM: You can't find buttermilk at Citarella; you can't find buttermilk.
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IM:你在Citarella里找不到白脱牛奶，你根本找不到。
13:12
Chef: You can't?
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厨师：你找不到吗？
13:13
IM: It's always low-fat buttermilk.
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IM：都是低值的白脱牛奶。
13:14
Chef: No, but that's all it is.
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厨师：不，但是就是那样啊。
13:15
IM: Is that all it is?
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IM:都是低脂的的吗？
13:16
Chef: Oh, you don't know? Let me tell you something.
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厨师：噢，你不是到吗？我告诉你吧。
13:18
Let me tell you something interesting.
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给你讲讲一些有趣的事。
13:19
IM: You know what? Stop laughing. It's not funny.
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IM:不要笑，一点都不好笑。
13:20
Just because I don't know that whole -- that there's no such thing as whole buttermilk.
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我知道不知道没有全脂的白脱牛奶这种东西。
13:25
Sorry, what?
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不好意思，你说什么？
13:26
Chef: Well, here's the deal. Let me tell you the deal.
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厨师：好吧，是这样的，我给你讲讲是怎么回事。
13:27
In the old days when they used to make butter,
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在以前他们做黄油时候，
13:29
you know how you make butter?
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你知道怎么做黄油的吗？
13:30
IM: Churns?
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IM:用搅乳器？
13:31
Chef: For cream?
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厨师：奶油？
13:32
IM: Yeah, exactly.
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IM:没错。
13:33
Chef: So you take heavy, high-fat milk, which is cream,
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厨师：把高脂的奶油，
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and you churn it until it separates into these curds and water.
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搅拌到水乳分离
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The liquid is actually that clear liquid.
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液体实际上就是那个纯的液体。
13:43
If you've ever overbeaten your whipped cream,
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如果你给奶油打泡打过了头，
13:44
it's actually buttermilk.
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就成了白脱牛奶了。
13:47
And that's what it was in the early days.
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那就是很久以前这么做的。
13:48
And that's what people used for baking and all sorts of things.
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可以用来做烘培和其他的东西。
13:51
Now, the buttermilk that you get is actually low-fat or skim milk.
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现在，你买到的白脱牛奶实际上就是低脂或者脱脂牛奶。
13:54
IM: Excuse me, I didn't know. All right?
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IM:不好意思，我以前不知道，好吧。
13:56
Chef: The reason he thought that is because buttermilk is so wonderfully thick and delicious.
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厨师：他这么想是因为白脱牛奶很浓稠也很好喝。
14:01
IM: Yeah, it is, exactly.
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IM:是的，就是。
14:02
So who would think that it was low-fat?
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谁会想到那是低脂的呢？
14:04
Well, that's it. Thank you very much.
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好，就这样，非常谢谢你。
14:07
Happy TED. It's so wonderful here. I love it. I love it. I love it.
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来TED非常高兴，来这里太棒了，我喜欢这，我爱这里。
14:10
Thanks. Bye.
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谢谢，再见。
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Isaac Mizrahi - Fashion designerFashion designer Isaac Mizrahi mixes high fashion and the mass market, with a line of haute couture and a line for Target. Plus a talk show, a cabaret act, a movie, a new book ...
Why you should listen
Design-wise, Isaac Mizrahi is best known for bridging the gap between high and low -- creating gorgeous couture confections for the likes of Eartha Kitt and others, as well as a hugely popular, groundbreakingly affordable line for Target.
His design mission comes wrapped in endless charisma. He's a talk-show host, he's performed his own one-man show Off-Broadway, he was the subject of the hilarious documentary Unzipped, and he does regular cabaret nights at Joe's Pub in New York City. His new book is called How to Have Style .
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