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Isaac Mizrahi: Fashion and creativity
艾薩克‧麥茲拉西（Issac Mizrahi）談時尚和創造力
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時尚設計師艾薩克‧麥茲拉西秀出一系列他的靈感來源－－從50年代的性感美女海報，到路上瞥見的T恤破洞（這個洞甚至讓他大喊「停車！」），無不令人眼花撩亂。讓我們從輕鬆的閒聊中體會創意生活、快樂人生。
Isaac Mizrahi - Fashion designer
Fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi mixes high fashion and the mass market, with a line of haute couture and a line for Target. Plus a talk show, a cabaret act, a movie, a new book ... Full bio
Fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi mixes high fashion and the mass market, with a line of haute couture and a line for Target. Plus a talk show, a cabaret act, a movie, a new book ... Full bio
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00:18
I have, like, a thing about sleeping.
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我不太喜歡睡覺，
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I don't sleep that much,
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我睡很少，
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and I've come to this thing about, like, not sleeping much
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但我已經可以把這件事，
00:25
as being a great virtue, after years of kind of
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當成是一個優點，過去幾年，
00:27
battling it as being a terrible detriment, or something.
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我一直把它當成是妖魔鬼怪之類的在奮戰。
00:29
And now I really like sort of sitting up, you know.
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現在我幾乎可以說沒在睡，
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But for years I've been sitting up
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幾年下來，
00:35
and I think that, like, my creativity is greatly motivated by this kind of insomnia.
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我反而覺得失眠激發了我的創造力。
00:41
I lie awake. I think thoughts. I walk aimlessly.
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我會清醒地躺著，思考事情，或漫無目的地走著，
00:46
Sometimes I used to walk more at night.
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有時候我比較常在晚上散步，
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I walk during the day and I follow people who I think look interesting.
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白天我則會跟蹤看起來有趣的人。
00:52
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:54
And sometimes -- actually, once it was on Page Six in the Post,
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而且有時候···事實上這次上了紐約郵報的八卦版。
00:58
that I was cruising this guy, like, sort of, whatever,
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我跟在一個男人後面，
01:01
but I was actually just following because he had these really great shoes on.
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因為他腳上的那雙鞋實在太棒了。
01:04
And so I was following this guy.
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所以我一直跟著他，
01:07
And I took a picture of his shoes,
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最後我幫他的鞋子照了相，
01:08
and we thanked each other and just went on our way.
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我們謝過對方後就分道揚鑣了，
01:10
But I do that all the time.
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但是我常幹這種事。
01:11
As a matter of fact, I think a lot of my design ideas
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其實我覺得我有很多設計的點子，
01:15
come from mistakes and tricks of the eye.
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都是來自錯誤和視覺上的錯覺。
01:19
Because I feel like, you know, there are so many images out there,
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我覺得我們週遭有這麼多影像，
01:23
so many clothes out there.
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這麼多衣服，
01:26
And the only ones that look interesting to me
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會引起我的興趣的，
01:28
are the ones that look slightly mistaken, of course,
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當然就是那些看起來有點怪怪的，
01:32
or very, very surprising.
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或是讓人非常非常驚艷的。
01:34
And often, I'm driving in a taxi
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常常我坐計程車的時候，
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and I see a hole in a shirt, or something
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在路上看到有洞的T恤之類的，
01:38
that looks very interesting or pretty or functional
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如果那個洞看起來很有趣、很好看或者很實用，
01:41
in some way that I'd never seen happen before.
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是我從來沒看過的，
01:45
And so I'd make the car stop, and I'd get out of the car and walk,
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我就會叫司機停車放我下來。
01:49
and see that in fact there wasn't a hole, but it was a trick of my eye,
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接著我就發現其實T恤沒有洞，是我眼睛的錯覺，
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it was a shadow, you know.
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我看到的只是影子而已。
01:54
Or if there was a hole I'd think like, oh damn,
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如果真的有洞，我就會想，可惡！
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there was actually someone thought of that thought already.
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已經有人想到要這麼設計了，
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Someone made that mistake already so I can't do it anymore.
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已經有人犯的錯我就不能再犯了。
02:02
I don't know where inspiration comes from.
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我不知道靈感是哪來的，
02:05
It does not come for me from research.
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我的靈感不是研究來的，
02:09
I don't get necessarily inspired by research.
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研究不見得會激發我。
02:11
As a matter of fact, one of the most fun things
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其實我一生中曾經做過
02:13
I've ever, ever done in my whole life,
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最最、最有趣的事之一，
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was this Christmas season at the Guggenheim in New York.
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就發生在去年聖誕假期的紐約古根漢博物館。
02:19
I read "Peter and the Wolf" with this beautiful band from Juilliard.
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我看了《彼得與狼》，配樂的是茱麗亞學院的交響樂團，
02:23
And I did like, you know, the narrator, and I read it.
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我真的很喜歡那個旁白。
02:25
And I saw this really smart critic who I love.
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那天我遇到一位很聰明而且我很喜歡的評論家，
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This woman, Joan Acocella, who's a friend of mine,
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她是我的朋友艾可西拉(Joan Acocella)。
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and she came backstage and she said,
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她從後台出來，跟我說，
02:31
oh, you know, Isaac, did you know that, talking about Stalinism
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噢！艾薩克，你知道這部戲在講史達林主義
02:34
and talking about, you know, like the '30s in Russia.
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還有30年代的俄羅斯嗎？
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And I said, how do I know about Stalinism?
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我說，我哪知道史達林主義，
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I know about a wolf and a bird and, you know,
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我只知道有一隻狼和一隻鳥，
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he ate the bird, and then in the end you hear, you know,
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狼吃了鳥，然後最後我就聽到，
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you hear the bird squeaking, or something, you know?
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我就聽到那隻鳥在尖叫之類的。
02:47
So I don't really know that. I don't really --
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所以我不太知道，我不太···
02:50
actually I do my own kind of research, you know.
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其實我有我自己的研究。
02:53
If I'm commissioned to do the costumes for an 18th-century opera, or something like that,
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如果今天別人委託我做18世紀歌劇的戲服之類的，
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I will do a lot of research, because it's interesting,
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我會做很多功課，因為有趣，
03:01
not because it's what I'm supposed to do.
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而不是因為這是我該做的事。
03:03
I'm very, very, very inspired by movies.
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電影給了我很多很多的靈感。
03:06
The color of movies and the way light makes the colors,
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電影的色彩還有光製造色彩的方式，
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light from behind the projection,
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不管是放映機後面的光，
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or light from the projection, makes the colors look so impossible.
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或是投射出來的光，都讓色彩看起來相當不可思議。
03:17
And anyway, roll this little clip, I'll just show you.
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不管怎樣，放一下這個短片，你們就會看到。
03:20
I sit up at night and I watch movies
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我熬夜看電影，
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and I watch women in movies a lot.
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而且常常在看電影裡的女人。
03:26
And I think about, you know, their roles,
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我思考她們的角色，
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and about how you have to, like, watch what your daughters look at.
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還有家長怎麼去看他們女兒眼裡看到的角色。
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Because I look at the way women are portrayed all the time.
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我常常在看女人被塑造的方式，
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Whether they're kind of glorified in this way,
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不管是像這樣讚頌她們，
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or whether they're kind of, you know, ironically glorified,
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或是有點諷刺地吹捧她們，
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or whether they're, you know, sort of denigrated, or ironically denigrated.
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還是說有點詆毀，或是諷刺地貶低她們。
03:51
I go back to color all the time.
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我常觀察顏色，
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Color is something that motivates me a lot.
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顏色激發我很多靈感。
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It's rarely color that I find in nature,
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我覺得天然的顔色倒是沒那麽特別，
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although, you know, juxtaposed next to artificial color,
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雖然和人造色擺在一起，
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natural color is so beautiful.
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天然色看起來還是那麼美麗。
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So that's what I do. I study color a lot.
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研究顏色就是我平常會做的事。
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But for the most part, I think, like, how can I ever make anything
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但大部分的時候我都在思考問題，像是「我怎麼可能做出
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that is as beautiful as that image of Natalie Wood?
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和娜妲麗華(Natalie Wood) 一樣美麗的東西？」
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How can I ever make anything as beautiful as Greta Garbo?
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「我怎麼可能做出和葛麗泰嘉寶(Greta Garbo) 一樣美麗的東西？」
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I mean, that's just not possible, you know.
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根本不可能嘛！
04:31
And so that's what makes me lie awake at night, I guess, you know.
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我猜就是這些問題讓我徹夜難眠。
04:35
I want to show you -- I'm also like a big --
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我想讓你們看···我也像是一個大···
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I go to astrologers and tarot card readers often,
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我常去找占星師或塔羅牌占卜師，
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and that's another thing that motivates me a lot.
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占卜也是我的靈感來源之一。
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People say, oh, do that. An astrologer tells me to do something.
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別人說，噢，那樣做···占星師叫我做什麼，
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So I do it.
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我就做什麼。
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:50
When I was about 21, an astrologer told me
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大概21歲的時候，一個占星師告訴我，
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that I was going to meet the man of my dreams,
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我的白馬王子就要出現了，
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and that his name was going to be Eric, right?
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他的名字叫艾瑞克。
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So, you know, for years I would go to bars
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所以有好幾年我到酒吧去，
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and, sort of, anyone I met whose name was Eric
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幾乎是一遇到任何叫艾瑞克的人，
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I was humping immediately, or something.
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我馬上就跟他發生關係。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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And there were times when I was actually so desperate
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有好幾次我實在按捺不住，
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I would just, you know, walk into a room and just go like, "Eric!"
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我就直接走進酒吧裡喊：「艾瑞克！」
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And anybody who would turn around I would, sort of, make a beeline for.
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誰轉頭我就直接撲向誰。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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And I had this really interesting tarot reading a long time ago.
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很久以前我做過一個很有趣的塔羅牌占卜，
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The last card he pulled, which was representing my destiny
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占卜師抽出的最後一張牌，也就是代表我命運的那張牌，
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was this guy on like a straw boater with a cane
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畫著一個戴草帽、拿柺杖的男人，
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and you know, sort of spats and this, you know, a minstrel singer, right?
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腳上有類似綁腿的東西，像是吟遊詩人的樣子。
05:29
I want to show you this clip because I do this kind of crazy thing
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我想讓各位看這段影片，我在夜總會表演的時候
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where I do a cabaret act.
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做了一件很瘋狂的事，
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So actually, check this out.
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看了就知道，
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Very embarrassing.
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超丟臉。
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(Video): Thank you. We can do anything you ask.
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(影片)：謝謝，我們絕對應觀眾要求。
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The name of the show is based on this story
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這個節目的名字有一個故事，
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that I have to tell you about my mother.
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是關於我媽的故事，
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It's sort of an excerpt from a quote of hers.
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節目的名字可以說是出自她說的話。
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I was dating this guy, right?
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有一次我和一個男生約會，
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And this has to do with being happy, I swear.
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只是因為和他在一起很開心，我發誓。
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I was dating this guy and it was going on for about a year, right.
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我和這個男生交往了大概一年，
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And we were getting serious,
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我們對彼此愈來愈認真，
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so we decided to invite them all to dinner, our parents.
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所以我們決定邀雙方的家長一起吃晚餐，
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And we, you know, sort of introduced them to each other.
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介紹他們認識。
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My mother was, sort of, very sensitive to his mother,
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我媽對他媽很敏感，
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who it seemed was a little bit skeptical about the whole alternative lifestyle thing.
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他媽好像對整個非主流的生活方式有點懷疑，
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You know, homosexuality, right?
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你知道，就是同性戀。
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So my mother was a little offended. She turned to her and she said,
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所以我媽覺得有點不舒服，就跟他媽說：
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"Are you kidding? They have the greatest life together.
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「你在開玩笑嗎？他們兩個根本是天生一對，
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They eat out, they see shows."
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他們會出去吃飯，還會看秀。」
06:25
They eat out, they see shows.
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他們會出去吃飯，還會看秀。
06:27
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:29
That's the name of the show, they eat out, they --
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這就是這個節目的名字。
06:30
that's on my tombstone when I die.
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我死了以後墓碑上就要刻，
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"He ate out, he saw shows," right?
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「他會出去吃飯，還會看秀」
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So in editing these clips, I didn't have the audacity
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在剪這些片子的時候，我沒那個臉
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to edit a clip of me singing at Joe's Pub.
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去剪我在喬酒吧(Joe's Pub)唱歌的那段，
06:45
So you'll have to, like, go check it out and come see me or something.
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所以你們可能得親自去看我表演，
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Because it's mortifying, and yet it feels ...
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因為實在太羞恥了，感覺就像···
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I don't know how to put this.
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我不知道怎麼形容。
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I feel as little comfort as possible is a good thing, you know.
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我覺得愈不自在反而愈是件好事，
07:00
And at least, you know, in my case,
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至少對我來說是這樣，
07:04
because if I just do one thing all the time,
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因為如果我一次只做一件事，
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I don't know, I get very, very bored. I bore very easily.
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不知道，我會覺得超級無聊，我超容易無聊。
07:13
And you know, I don't say that I do everything well,
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我不是在說我每件事都可以做得很好，
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I just say that I do a lot of things, that's all.
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我只是說我做很多事而已。
07:22
And I kind of try not to look back, you know.
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而且我會試著不要回頭看，
07:26
Except, I guess, that's what staying up every night is about.
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除了···我想我不睡覺就是為了這檔事，
07:29
Like, looking back and thinking, what a fool you made of yourself, you know.
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像是回想和思考自己有多蠢之類的，
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But I guess that's okay. Right?
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不過我覺得這無傷大雅，對吧？
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Because if you do many things
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因為如果我們做很多事，
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you get to feel lousy about everything,
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我們就會覺得每件事都糟透了，
07:40
and not just one, you know.
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糟糕的不會只有一件事，
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You don't master feeling lousy about one thing.
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我們沒辦法只專心討厭一件事。
07:45
Yeah, exactly.
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沒錯，就是這樣。
07:48
I will show you this next thing,
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說到歌劇的服裝，
07:51
speaking of costumes for operas.
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我要給各位看下一個東西。
07:52
I do work with different choreographers.
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我和很多不同的編舞家合作，
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I work with Twyla Tharp a lot,
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像是崔拉夏普(Twyla Tharp)，
07:56
and I work with Mark Morris a lot,
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還有我的好朋友馬克莫里斯(Mark Morris)，
07:58
who is one of my best friends.
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都是我常合作的對象。
07:59
And I designed three operas with him,
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我和莫里斯一起設計了三部歌劇，
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and the most recent one, "King Arthur."
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最近的一部是「亞瑟王」。
08:06
I'd been very ingrained in the dance world
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我和舞蹈界的淵源很深，
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since I was a teenager.
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可以追溯到我的青少年時期。
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I went to performing arts high school,
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我高中唸的是表演藝術中學，
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where I was an actor.
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當時我是演員，
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And many of my friends were ballet dancers.
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我有很多朋友則是芭蕾舞者。
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Again, I don't know where inspiration comes from.
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我還是不知道靈感是從哪來的，
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I don't know where it comes from.
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不知道為什麼，
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I started making puppets when I was a kid.
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我還很小的時候就開始做玩偶，
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Maybe that's where the whole inspiration thing started from, puppets, right.
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說不定玩偶就是我所有靈感的泉源。
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And then performing arts high school.
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再來是表演藝術中學，
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There I was in high school,
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高中的時候，
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meeting dancers and acting.
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我認識了一些舞者，也演了一些戲。
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And somehow, from there, I got interested in design.
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不知道為什麼，我開始對設計有興趣，
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I went to Parsons School of Design
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之後我進入帕森設計學院就讀，
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and then I began my career as a designer.
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接著開始我的設計師生涯。
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I don't really think of myself as a designer,
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其實我不覺得自己是設計師，
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I don't really think of myself necessarily as a fashion designer.
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我覺得我不全然是一個時尚設計師，
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And frankly, I don't really know what to call myself.
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坦白說，我不太知道要怎麼稱呼我自己，
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I think of myself as a ... I don't know what I think of myself as.
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我覺得我是一個···我不知道我覺得我自己是什麼，
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It's just that.
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就這樣。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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But I must say, this whole thing about being slightly bored all the time,
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但我得說，老是覺得有點無聊這件事，
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that is what -- I think that is a very important thing for a fashion designer.
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我覺得對時尚設計師來說是很重要的，
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You always have to be slightly bored with everything.
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設計師總是要覺得每件事都有點乏味，
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And if you're not, you have to pretend to be slightly bored with everything.
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就算你不覺得無聊，也要假裝無聊。
09:13
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:15
But I am really a little bored with everything.
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但我是真的覺得每件事都有點無聊。
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I always say to my partner, Marisa Gardini, who books everything --
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我常跟我的夥伴賈蒂妮(Marissa Gardini) 說···
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she books everything and she makes everything happen.
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賈蒂妮幫我安排所有事，她什麼事都辦得到，
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And she makes all the deals.
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生意也都是她談的。
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And I always tell her that I find myself
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我每次都跟她說，我發現我
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with a lot of time on the computer bridge program.
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花很多時間在玩電腦橋牌，
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Too much time on computer bridge, which is, you know, like that's
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時間多到就好像···。
09:36
so ... somehow, like, about ten years ago
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大概十年前，不知道為什麼，
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I thought that the most unboring place in the world
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我覺得全世界最不無聊的地方，
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would be like a T.V. studio,
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可能是像是脫口秀
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like for a day show. Some kind of day talk show.
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這種帶狀節目的電視攝影棚，
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Because it's all of these things that I love
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因為所有我愛的東西，
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all kind of in one place.
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都可以放在一起，
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And if you ever get bored you can look at another thing,
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一覺得無聊，就可以把目光移到另一件事、
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and do another thing and talk about it, right?
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做另一件事、聊另一件事，不是嗎？
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And so I had this T.V. show.
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所以我就做了一個電視節目，
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And that was a very, very, very big part of my process.
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這是我的生涯中很重要很重要的一部份。
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Actually, could you roll the clip, please?
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可以放一下影片嗎？謝謝。
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This is one of my favorite clips of Rosie.
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這段蘿西(Rosie O'Donnell) 的影片我很愛。
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(Video) Isaac Mizrahi: We're back on the set.
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(影片)：我們回到現場。
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Hi there.
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嗨。
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Rosie O'Donnell: Hello, Ben.
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哈囉，班。
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IM: Look how cute she looks with this, just a slick back.
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看她梳個油頭多可愛。
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Man: Her grandmother says, "Delish!"
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她奶奶說：「可口！」
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IM: Ah, wow, delish. All right. So now where should I position myself?
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哇～可口，好，現在我要坐哪？
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I want to stay out of the way.
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我不想礙手礙腳，
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I don't want to be -- okay. Here we go.
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我不想···好，開始吧。
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Do you get nervous, Ashleigh?
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你會緊張嗎，艾希利？
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Ashleigh: Doing what?
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緊張什麼？
10:25
ROD: Cutting hair.
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剪頭髮。
10:26
A: Cutting hair? Never, never.
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剪頭髮？從來沒在緊張的，
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I don't think there was ever a day where I cut hair I was nervous.
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我剪頭髮沒有一次會緊張。
10:30
IM: You look so cute already, by the way.
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你看起來已經很可愛了。
10:31
ROD: You like it? All right.
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你喜歡嗎？
10:33
IM: Do you have a problem with looking cute? You want to look cute.
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你不想看起來可愛嗎？你想吧！
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ROD: Of course I want to look cute.
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我當然希望看起來可愛。
10:36
IM: Just checking, because some people want to look, you know,
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我只是確定一下，因為有些人希望看起來
10:37
aggressively ugly.
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嚇人得醜。
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ROD: No, not me, no.
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不，我不想。
10:39
IM: You read about all these people who have a lot of money
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我們都知道那些有錢人，
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and they have kids and the kids always end up somehow, like,
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他們的小孩最後生活都
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really messed up, you know what I mean?
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一蹋糊塗，你懂嗎？
10:48
And there's got to be some way to do that, Rosie.
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一定有解決的辦法，蘿西。
10:51
Because just because if you're fabulously rich, and fabulously famous,
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如果你錢多又有名，
10:55
does that mean you shouldn't have kids,
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是不是就表示你不該生小孩，
10:57
because you know they're going to end up getting messed up?
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因為你知道他們最後會活得一團糟？
10:58
ROD: No, but it means that your priority has to be
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不是，但我覺得這表示
11:00
their well-being first, I think.
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你該把小孩的幸福擺第一，
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But you have to make the decision for yourself.
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但你也要為自己做打算。
11:05
My kids are seven, who the hell knows.
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我的小孩現在七歲，誰知道
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They're going to be like 14 and in rehab.
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他們14歲的時候會不會在勒戒所，
11:09
And they're going to be playing this clip:
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然後他們就會放這段影片：
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"I'm such a good mother."
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「我真是個好媽媽。」
11:14
My God, this is the shortest I've ever had.
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天哪，我從來沒剪過這麼短。
11:16
IM: It looks good, yeah?
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看起來不錯吧？
11:17
A: I was going to ask you, has your hair ever been --
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我才要問你，你的頭髮···
11:18
ROD: No! It's all right -- go crazy.
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不！沒關係···瘋狂一點。
11:20
IM: I feel like it needs to be a little closer down here.
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我覺得這邊要再短一點。
11:22
A: Oh no, we're just staging,
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喔不，那邊要留下來。
11:24
ROD: We're just staging it.
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我們要露出那段。
11:25
IM: Are you freaking out? You look so cute.
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你在緊張嗎？你看起來很可愛。
11:26
ROD: No, I love it. It's the new me.
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沒有，我很愛，這是全新的我。
11:28
IM: Oh, it's so fabulous!
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噢，太正點了！
11:29
ROD: Flock of Rosie. Wooo!
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蘿西的頭毛，Wooo!
11:33
IM: So by the way. Of all the most unboring things in the world, right.
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所以，全世界最不無聊的事，
11:38
I mean, like making someone who's already cute look terrible like that.
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像是那樣把一個已經很可愛的人搞得很可怕，
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That is not boring. That is nothing if it's not boring.
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就不無聊，沒有比這個還有趣的事了。
11:46
Actually, I read this great quote the other day, which was,
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有一天我讀到一句很棒的話，它說：
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"Style makes you feel great because it takes your mind off the fact that you're going to die."
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「時尚給人好心情，因為它讓我們忘了死亡就在眼前。」
11:56
Right? And then I realized, that was on my website,
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不是嗎？然後我才意識到這句話就在我的網站上，
12:01
and then it said, like, you know, the quote was attributed to me
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上面寫說這句話是我講的。
12:03
and I thought, oh, I said something, you know, in an interview.
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我就想，噢，我好像在一個訪談說了什麼。
12:05
I forgot that I said that. But it's really true.
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我完全忘了我說過這句話，真的。
12:09
I want to show you this last clip because it's going to be my last goodbye.
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結束前我想給各位看最後一段影片。
12:13
I'll tell you that I cook a lot also. I love to cook.
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我也很常做菜，我很愛做菜，
12:16
And I often look at things as though they're food.
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而且我常拿食物做比喻。
12:19
Like I say, oh, you know, would you serve a rotten chicken?
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譬如我會說，臭酸的雞你敢端上桌嗎？
12:22
Then how could you serve, you know, a beat up old dress or something.
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那怎麼可以給客人破爛的舊洋裝？
12:24
How could you show a beat up old dress?
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你怎麼敢展示一塊破布？
12:25
I always relate things to kitchen-ry.
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我常把事情和廚房有關的東西沾上邊。
12:30
And so I think that's what it all boils down to.
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我想這就是結論，
12:34
Everything boils down to that.
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每件事都可以歸結到食物。
12:35
So check this out.
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所以看一下，
12:36
This is what I've been doing because I think it's the most fun thing in the world.
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我一直在做這個東西，因為我覺得超有趣。
12:39
It's, like, this website.
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像這個網站，
12:40
It's got a lot of different things on it.
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有很多東西在上面，
12:42
It's a polymathematical website.
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這是一個很多元的網站。
12:44
We actually shoot segments like T.V. show segments.
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我們拍了一些類似電視節目的短片，
12:48
And it's kind of my favorite thing in the world.
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這可以說是我最愛做的事，
12:51
And it just began like in the beginning of February. So who knows?
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大概是今年二月初才開始的。
12:53
And again, I don't say it's good, I just think it's not boring, right?
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再強調一次，我沒有說這個很好，我只是說這個不無聊，可以嗎？
12:57
And here is the last bit.
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這是最後一段影片。
13:02
(Video) IM: I have to tell you, I make buttermilk pancakes or buttermilk waffles all the time.
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(影片)：告訴你，我常用白脫牛奶做鬆餅。
13:06
Chef: Do you?
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是嗎？
13:07
IM: Yeah, but I can never find buttermilk, ever.
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真的，但我從來就找不到白脫牛奶。
13:09
Chef: Oh.
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噢。
13:10
IM: You can't find buttermilk at Citarella; you can't find buttermilk.
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在Citarella (美食超市）裡找不到白脫牛奶。
13:12
Chef: You can't?
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你找不到嗎？
13:13
IM: It's always low-fat buttermilk.
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每次都只有低脂的白脫牛奶。
13:14
Chef: No, but that's all it is.
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但就只有低脂的阿。
13:15
IM: Is that all it is?
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就只有低脂的嗎？
13:16
Chef: Oh, you don't know? Let me tell you something.
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噢，你不知道？那我告訴你，
13:18
Let me tell you something interesting.
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我告訴你一件很有趣的事。
13:19
IM: You know what? Stop laughing. It's not funny.
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不要笑，一點也不好笑。
13:20
Just because I don't know that whole -- that there's no such thing as whole buttermilk.
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我只是不知道沒有全脂的白脫牛奶這種東西。
13:25
Sorry, what?
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不好意思，你說什麼？
13:26
Chef: Well, here's the deal. Let me tell you the deal.
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是這樣的，讓我告訴你是怎麼回事。
13:27
In the old days when they used to make butter,
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從前人們還自己做奶油的時候，
13:29
you know how you make butter?
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你知道怎麼做奶油嗎？
13:30
IM: Churns?
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用攪乳器？
13:31
Chef: For cream?
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攪鮮奶油的？
13:32
IM: Yeah, exactly.
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沒錯。
13:33
Chef: So you take heavy, high-fat milk, which is cream,
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把高脂的鮮奶油
13:36
and you churn it until it separates into these curds and water.
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拿去攪拌直到分離成凝乳和水，
13:41
The liquid is actually that clear liquid.
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那個水就是打發的鮮奶油攪拌過度的時候
13:43
If you've ever overbeaten your whipped cream,
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產生的液體，
13:44
it's actually buttermilk.
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那個其實就是白脫牛奶。
13:47
And that's what it was in the early days.
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從前就是這樣做的。
13:48
And that's what people used for baking and all sorts of things.
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可以用來烘培各種糕點，
13:51
Now, the buttermilk that you get is actually low-fat or skim milk.
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所以白脫牛奶其實是低脂或脫脂的牛奶。
13:54
IM: Excuse me, I didn't know. All right?
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我以前不知道好嗎？
13:56
Chef: The reason he thought that is because buttermilk is so wonderfully thick and delicious.
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他會誤會是因為白脫牛奶很濃稠而且很好吃。
14:01
IM: Yeah, it is, exactly.
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沒錯，就是這樣。
14:02
So who would think that it was low-fat?
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沒想到它其實是低脂的。
14:04
Well, that's it. Thank you very much.
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就這樣，非常謝謝各位。
14:07
Happy TED. It's so wonderful here. I love it. I love it. I love it.
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來TED很開心，實在太棒了，我很愛。
14:10
Thanks. Bye.
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謝謝，再見
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Isaac Mizrahi - Fashion designerFashion designer Isaac Mizrahi mixes high fashion and the mass market, with a line of haute couture and a line for Target. Plus a talk show, a cabaret act, a movie, a new book ...
Why you should listen
Design-wise, Isaac Mizrahi is best known for bridging the gap between high and low -- creating gorgeous couture confections for the likes of Eartha Kitt and others, as well as a hugely popular, groundbreakingly affordable line for Target.
His design mission comes wrapped in endless charisma. He's a talk-show host, he's performed his own one-man show Off-Broadway, he was the subject of the hilarious documentary Unzipped, and he does regular cabaret nights at Joe's Pub in New York City. His new book is called How to Have Style .
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