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Alain de Botton: Atheism 2.0
Alain de Botton: Ateizam 2.0
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Koje aspekte religije bi ateisti trebali (s poštovanjem) usvojiti? Alain de Botton predlaže „religiju za ateiste“ -- naziva je 'Ateizam 2.0 -- koja povezuje religijske oblike i tradicije, kako bi zadovoljila naše potrebe za povezivanjem, ritualima i transcendentalnim.
Alain de Botton - Philosopher
Through his witty and literate books -- and his new School of Life -- Alain de Botton helps others find fulfillment in the everyday. Full bio
Through his witty and literate books -- and his new School of Life -- Alain de Botton helps others find fulfillment in the everyday. Full bio
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One of the most common ways of dividing the world
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Jedan od najraširenijih načina za podjelu svijeta
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is into those who believe
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je podjela na one koji vjeruju
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and those who don't --
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i one koji ne vjeruju --
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into the religious and the atheists.
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na vjernike i ateiste.
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And for the last decade or so,
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Tokom posljednjih desetak godina,
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it's been quite clear
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postalo je veoma jasno
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what being an atheist means.
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šta znači biti ateista.
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There have been some very vocal atheists
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Bilo je veoma glasnih ateista
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who've pointed out,
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koji su tvrdili,
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not just that religion is wrong,
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ne samo da je religija u krivu,
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but that it's ridiculous.
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nego da je vrijedna podsmijeha.
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These people, many of whom have lived in North Oxford,
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Ti ljudi, od kojih je većina živjela u sjevernom dijelu Oxforda,
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have argued --
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tvrdili su -
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they've argued that believing in God
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tvrdili su da vjerovanje u Boga
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is akin to believing in fairies
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je u stvari zahtjev za vjerovanje u bajke
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and essentially that the whole thing
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i da je suštinski
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is a childish game.
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cijelo to pitanje u stvari samo dječija igra.
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Now I think it's too easy.
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Sad, ja tvrdim da bi to bilo prejednostavno.
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I think it's too easy
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Bilo bi suviše jednostavno
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to dismiss the whole of religion that way.
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odbaciti religiju samo tako.
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And it's as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
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Jednostavno kao upucati ribu u koritu.
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And what I'd like to inaugurate today
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I ono što bih želio uvesti danas
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is a new way of being an atheist --
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je novi način prakticiranja ateizma --
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if you like, a new version of atheism
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odnosno, ako tako želite, nova verzija ateizma
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we could call Atheism 2.0.
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koju bismo nazvali Ateizam 2.0.
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Now what is Atheism 2.0?
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Dakle, šta je Ateizam 2.0.?
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Well it starts from a very basic premise:
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Naime, počinje osnovnom pretpostavkom:
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of course, there's no God.
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naravno da Bog ne postoji.
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Of course, there are no deities or supernatural spirits
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Naravno, ne postoje božanstva ili nadnaravne sile
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or angels, etc.
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ili anđeli i tome slično.
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Now let's move on; that's not the end of the story,
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Idemo dalje; to nije kraj priče,
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that's the very, very beginning.
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to je tek sami početak.
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I'm interested in the kind of constituency
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Zanima me takva vrsta sljedbenika
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that thinks something along these lines:
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koji ovako razmišljaju:
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that thinks, "I can't believe in any of this stuff.
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koja misli, "Ne mogu vjerovati ni u šta od toga.
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I can't believe in the doctrines.
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Ne mogu vjerovati u doktrine.
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I don't think these doctrines are right.
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Ne mislim da su doktrine ispravne.
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But," a very important but, "I love Christmas carols.
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Ali "veoma važno ali," sviđaju mi se božićne pjesme.
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I really like the art of Mantegna.
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Veoma mi se sviđa umjetnost Mantegna.
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I really like looking at old churches.
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Volim razgledati stare crkve.
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I really like turning the pages of the Old Testament."
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Volim listati stranice Starog zavjeta."
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Whatever it may be,
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Šta god to bilo,
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you know the kind of thing I'm talking about --
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znate o kojoj vrsti stvari govorim --
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people who are attracted to the ritualistic side,
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ljudi koji su privučeni ritualističkom stranom,
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the moralistic, communal side of religion,
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moralističkom, društvenom stranom religije,
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but can't bear the doctrine.
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ali ne mogu prihvatiti doktrinu.
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Until now, these people have faced a rather unpleasant choice.
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Sve do sada, pred njima je bio prilično neprijatan izbor.
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It's almost as though either you accept the doctrine
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Izbor težak gotovo kao ili prihvatate dogmu
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and then you can have all the nice stuff,
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i onda možete uživati u svim lijepim stvarima,
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or you reject the doctrine and
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ili ćete odbaciti doktrinu i
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you're living in some kind of spiritual wasteland
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biti prepušteni nekoj vrsti duhovne praznine
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under the guidance of CNN and Walmart.
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u kojoj preovladavaju CNN i Walmart.
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So that's a sort of tough choice.
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To je ta vrsta teškog izbora.
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I don't think we have to make that choice.
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Ne mislim da moramo birati na taj način.
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I think there is an alternative.
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Mislim da postoji alternativa.
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I think there are ways --
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Mislim da postoje načini --
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and I'm being both very respectful and completely impious --
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sada sam i pun poštovanja i potpuno bezbožan --
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of stealing from religions.
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da se od religija nešto ukrade.
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If you don't believe in a religion,
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Ako ne vjerujete u religiju,
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there's nothing wrong with picking and mixing,
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onda nema ništa loše u biranju i miješanju,
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with taking out the best sides of religion.
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uzimajući od religija ono najbolje.
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And for me, atheism 2.0
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I za mene, ateizam 2.0. je
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is about both, as I say,
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istovremeno, kako ja to kažem,
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a respectful and an impious way
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način pun poštovanja i istovremeno nevjernički,
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of going through religions and saying, "What here could we use?"
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da se preispitaju religije s pitanje, "Šta se ovdje može iskoristiti?"
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The secular world is full of holes.
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Sekularni svijet je pun praznina.
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We have secularized badly, I would argue.
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Rekao bih da smo previše sekularni.
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And a thorough study of religion
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I detaljna studija religije
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could give us all sorts of insights
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mogla bi nam dati odgovore
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into areas of life that are not going too well.
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o područjima koja nisu sasvim uspješna.
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And I'd like to run through a few of these today.
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I želio bih proći kroz neke od njih danas.
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I'd like to kick off by looking at education.
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Želio bih početi sa obrazovanjem.
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Now education is a field
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Dakle, obrazovanje je oblast u koju
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the secular world really believes in.
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sekularni svijet zaista vjeruje.
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When we think about how we're going to make the world a better place,
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Kad želimo popraviti svijet,
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we think education; that's where we put a lot of money.
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mi mislimo na edukaciju; u nju ulažemo mnogo novca.
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Education is going to give us, not only commercial skills, industrial skills,
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Edukacija nam neće dati samo komercijalne, industrijske vještine
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it's also going to make us better people.
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nego ća nas učiniti boljim ljudima.
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You know the kind of thing a commencement address is, and graduation ceremonies,
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Poznati su nam momenti poput promocija, dodjela diploma
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those lyrical claims
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sva ta lirska obećanja
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that education, the process of education -- particularly higher education --
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da će nas proces obrazovanja, posebno visokog
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will make us into nobler and better human beings.
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učiniti boljim i plemenitijim ljudima.
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That's a lovely idea.
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To je divna ideja.
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Interesting where it came from.
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Zanimljivo je odakle potiče.
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In the early 19th century,
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Početkom 19. vijeka
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church attendance in Western Europe
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u Zapadnoj Evropi prisustvo u crkvama
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started sliding down very, very sharply, and people panicked.
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počelo je naglo opadati i ljudi su se uspaničili.
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They asked themselves the following question.
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Zapitali su se sljedeće pitanje.
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They said, where are people going to find the morality,
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Pitali su se gdje će ljudi pronaći moral,
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where are they going to find guidance,
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gdje će pronaći usmjerenja,
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and where are they going to find sources of consolation?
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gdje će naći izvore utjehe?
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And influential voices came up with one answer.
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Uticajni glasovi jednoglasno su ponudili odgovor.
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They said culture.
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Rekli su: kultura.
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It's to culture that we should look
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U kulturi trebamo tražiti
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for guidance, for consolation, for morality.
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usmjerenja, utjehu, moralnost.
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Let's look to the plays of Shakespeare,
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Pogledajmo djela Shakespearea,
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the dialogues of Plato, the novels of Jane Austen.
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Platonove dijaloge, novele Jane Austen.
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In there, we'll find a lot of the truths
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U njima ćemo naći mnogo istine
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that we might previously have found in the Gospel of Saint John.
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koju smo ranije pronalazili u evanđelju Svetog Ivana.
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Now I think that's a very beautiful idea and a very true idea.
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Mislim da je to predivna i istovremeno realna ideja.
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They wanted to replace scripture with culture.
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Željeli su nadomjestiti svete knjige kulturom.
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And that's a very plausible idea.
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I to je prilično ostvariva ideja.
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It's also an idea that we have forgotten.
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I to je ideja koju smo zaboravili.
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If you went to a top university --
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Ako ste pohađali vrhunski univerzitet --
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let's say you went to Harvard or Oxford or Cambridge --
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recimo, ako ste otišli na Oxford ili Cambridge --
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and you said, "I've come here
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sa izjavom, "Ovdje sam u potrazi
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because I'm in search of morality, guidance and consolation;
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za moralom, usmjerenjem i utjehom;
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I want to know how to live,"
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želim znati kako da živim,"
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they would show you the way to the insane asylum.
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uputili bi vas u umobolnicu.
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This is simply not what our grandest and best institutes of higher learning
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To jednostavno nije ono čime se najbolje visokoškolske
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are in the business of.
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institucije bave.
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Why? They don't think we need it.
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Zašto? Oni ne misle da je to nama potrebno.
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They don't think we are in an urgent need of assistance.
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Oni ne misle da je nama hitno potrebna asistencija.
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They see us as adults, rational adults.
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Oni smatraju da smo mi odrasli, racionalna bića.
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What we need is information.
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To što trebamo je informacija.
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We need data, we don't need help.
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Trebaju nam podaci, ne treba nam pomoć.
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Now religions start from a very different place indeed.
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Religije polaze od drugačije pretpostavke.
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All religions, all major religions,
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Sve religije, najveće religije,
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at various points call us children.
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zovu nas djecom tu i tamo.
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And like children,
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I baš kao i djeca,
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they believe that we are in severe need of assistance.
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religije vjeruju da imamo ozbiljnu potrebu za pomoći.
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We're only just holding it together.
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Jedva se snalazimo.
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Perhaps this is just me, maybe you.
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Možda sam samo ja takav, možda i vi,
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But anyway, we're only just holding it together.
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ali ipak, možda se svi mi tek jedna snalazimo.
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And we need help. Of course, we need help.
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I pomoć nam je potrebna. Naravno da nam treba pomoć.
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And so we need guidance and we need didactic learning.
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Kao što nam je potrebno i usmjerenje i nauk.
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You know, in the 18th century in the U.K.,
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Znamo da je u 18. vijeku u Velikoj Britaniji
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the greatest preacher, greatest religious preacher, was a man called John Wesley,
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najveći propodvjednik bio čovjek koji se zvao John Wesley,
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who went up and down this country delivering sermons,
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koji je obilazio zemlju držeći propovijedi
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advising people how they could live.
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savjetujući ljude kako da žive.
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He delivered sermons on the duties of parents to their children
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Propovijedao je o dužnosti roditelja prema djeci
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and children to their parents,
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i djece prema roditeljima,
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the duties of the rich to the poor and the poor to the rich.
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dužnosti bogatih prema siromašnima i siromašnih prema bogatima.
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He was trying to tell people how they should live
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Savjetovao je ljude kako da žive
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through the medium of sermons,
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koristeći medij propovijedanja,
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the classic medium of delivery of religions.
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klasični medij širenja vjere.
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Now we've given up with the idea of sermons.
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Odustali smo od ideje propovijedanja.
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If you said to a modern liberal individualist,
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Ako biste danas modernom liberalnom individualisti
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"Hey, how about a sermon?"
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ponudili propovijed
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they'd go, "No, no. I don't need one of those.
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rekao bi: "Ne, ne, meni to ne treba."
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I'm an independent, individual person."
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"Ja sam neovisna jedinka."
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What's the difference between a sermon
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U čemu je razlika propovijedi
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and our modern, secular mode of delivery, the lecture?
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i modernog, sekularnog načina - predavanja?
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Well a sermon wants to change your life
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Dakle, u tome što propovijed želi promijeniti vaš život
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and a lecture wants to give you a bit of information.
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a predavanja želi dati neke informacije.
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And I think we need to get back to that sermon tradition.
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Mislim da se trebamo vratiti tradiciji propovijedi.
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The tradition of sermonizing is hugely valuable,
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Tradicija propovijedanja je visoko vrijedna.
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because we are in need of guidance,
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jer nam je potrebno usmjerenje,
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morality and consolation --
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moralnost i utjeha -
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and religions know that.
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i religije to znaju.
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Another point about education:
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Dalje, kad govorimo o obrazovanju:
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we tend to believe in the modern secular world
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u modernom sekularnom svijetu težimo vjerovanju
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that if you tell someone something once, they'll remember it.
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da, kad nekom nešto kažemo jednom, to će se i zapamtiti.
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Sit them in a classroom, tell them about Plato
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Poredaj ih u učionicu, ispričaj o Platonu
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at the age of 20, send them out for a career in management consultancy for 40 years,
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dok imaju 20 godina, neka nakon toga nastave karijeru kao poslovni savjetnici 40 godina
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and that lesson will stick with them.
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i ta lekcija će ostati s njima zauvijek.
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Religions go, "Nonsense.
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Religije na to kažu: "Besmislica.
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You need to keep repeating the lesson 10 times a day.
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Lekcija se mora ponoviti deset puta na dan.
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So get on your knees and repeat it."
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Zato, na koljena i ponavljaj."
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That's what all religions tell us:
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Zato nam religije govore:
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"Get on you knees and repeat it 10 or 20 or 15 times a day."
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"klekni i ponavljaj 10 ili 15 puta dnevno."
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Otherwise our minds are like sieves.
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Očito je naša pamet kao sito.
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So religions are cultures of repetition.
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Stoga su religije kulture ponavljanja.
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They circle the great truths again and again and again.
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One se vrte oko velikih istina iznova i iznova.
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We associate repetition with boredom.
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Naša asocijacija ponavljanja je dosada.
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"Give us the new," we're always saying.
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"Daj nam nešto novo," uvijek govorimo.
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"The new is better than the old."
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"Novo je bolje od starog."
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If I said to you, "Okay, we're not going to have new TED.
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Kada bih vam rekao, "Nećemo imati novi TED.
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We're just going to run through all the old ones
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Samo ćemo pregledati sve stare
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and watch them five times because they're so true.
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i ponoviti svaku pet puta jer su tako istinite.
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We're going to watch Elizabeth Gilbert five times
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Gledaćemo Elizabeth Gilbert pet puta
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because what she says is so clever," you'd feel cheated.
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jer je to što ona govori tako pametno," - vi biste se osjećali prevareno.
07:03
Not so if you're adopting a religious mindset.
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Osim kada biste prihvatili religiozni način razmišljanja.
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The other things that religions do
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Sljedeće u čemu je religija jako dobra
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is to arrange time.
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je planiranje vremena.
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All the major religions give us calendars.
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Sve velike religije daju nam kalendare.
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What is a calendar?
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Šta je kalendar?
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A calendar is a way of making sure that across the year
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Kalendar je način osiguranja da tokom godine
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you will bump into certain very important ideas.
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susretnemo određene veoma važne ideje.
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In the Catholic chronology, Catholic calendar,
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U hronologiji po katoličkom kalendaru
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at the end of March you will think about St. Jerome
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na kraju marta pomislićete na svetog Jeronima
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and his qualities of humility and goodness
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i njegove kvalitete skromnosti i dobrote
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and his generosity to the poor.
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i velikodušnosti prema sirotinji.
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You won't do that by accident; you will do that because you are guided to do that.
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Ne biste to učinili slučajno, nego jer ste usmjereni ka tome.
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Now we don't think that way.
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Danas ne razmišljamo tako više.
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In the secular world we think, "If an idea is important, I'll bump into it.
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U sekularnom svijetu mi mislimo, "ako je ideja važna, sjetiću je se.
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I'll just come across it."
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Naići ću na nju."
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Nonsense, says the religious world view.
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Besmislice, kaže religioni pogled na svijet.
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Religious view says we need calendars, we need to structure time,
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Religije kažu da su nam kalendari potrebni da oblikujemo vrijeme,
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we need to synchronize encounters.
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moramo uskladiti susrete.
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This comes across also
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Ovo je takođe vidljivo
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in the way in which religions set up rituals
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i u načinu kako su religije postavile rituale
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around important feelings.
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u vezi sa važnim osjećajima.
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Take the Moon. It's really important to look at the Moon.
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Mjesec, na primjer. Važno je gledati u Mjesec.
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You know, when you look at the Moon,
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Znaš, kada gledaš u Mjesec,
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you think, "I'm really small. What are my problems?"
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pomisliš: "Veoma sam mali. Šta su moji problemi?"
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It sets things into perspective, etc., etc.
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To postavlja stvari na pravo mjesto i tako dalje.
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We should all look at the Moon a bit more often. We don't.
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Trebali bismo gledati u Mjesec češće, što mi ne činimo.
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Why don't we? Well there's nothing to tell us, "Look at the Moon."
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A zašto? Pa ništa nam ne govori: "Gledaj u Mjesec."
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But if you're a Zen Buddhist in the middle of September,
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Ali, ako ste zen budista, sredinom septembra,
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you will be ordered out of your home, made to stand on a canonical platform
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biće vam naređeno da izađete iz kuće, stanete na kanoničku platformu
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and made to celebrate the festival of Tsukimi,
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i da slavite festival Tsukimi
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where you will be given poems to read
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biće vam date poeme za čitanje
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in honor of the Moon and the passage of time
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u slavu Mjeseca i prolaznosti vremena
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and the frailty of life that it should remind us of.
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i slabosti života koji je pred nama.
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You'll be handed rice cakes.
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Dobićete rižine kolačiće.
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And the Moon and the reflection on the Moon
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A Mjesec i razmišljanje o Mjesecu
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will have a secure place in your heart.
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će imati sigurno mjesto u vašem srcu.
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That's very good.
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To je veoma dobro.
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The other thing that religions are really aware of
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Ostale stvari o kojima nas religije uče su
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is: speak well --
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dobro govorništvo -
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I'm not doing a very good job of this here --
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Iako nisam baš najbolji primjer ovdje -
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but oratory, oratory is absolutely key to religions.
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ali oratorstvo, govornička vještina je ključna za religiju.
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In the secular world, you can come through the university system and be a lousy speaker
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U sekularnom svijetu, možete proći univerzitetsko obrazovanje,
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and still have a great career.
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loše govoriti, a ipak imati sjajnu karijeru.
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But the religious world doesn't think that way.
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Ali svijet religije ne misli tako.
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What you're saying needs to be backed up
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Ono što govorite mora biti potkrijepljeno
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by a really convincing way of saying it.
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veoma uvjerljivim umjećem govora.
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So if you go to an African-American Pentecostalist church
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Tako, ako odete u afro-američku Pentecostalist crkvu
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in the American South
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na američkom Jugu
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and you listen to how they talk,
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i ako slušate šta govore,
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my goodness, they talk well.
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zaboga, baš dobro govore.
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After every convincing point, people will go, "Amen, amen, amen."
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Nakon svake uvjerljive poente, ljudi odgovaraju "Amen, amen, amen."
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At the end of a really rousing paragraph, they'll all stand up,
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A na kraju veoma inspirativnog pasusa, oni će ustati,
08:59
and they'll go, "Thank you Jesus, thank you Christ, thank you Savior."
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i reći, "Hvala Isusu, Hvala Kristu, Hvala Spasitelju."
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If we were doing it like they do it --
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Kada bismo ovdje to radili -
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let's not do it, but if we were to do it --
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ipak nemojmo, ali kada bismo -
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I would tell you something like, "Culture should replace scripture."
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ja bih vama rekao nešto kao, "Kultura treba zamijeniti svete knjige."
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And you would go, "Amen, amen, amen."
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A vi biste odgovorili "Amen, amen, amen."
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And at the end of my talk, you would all stand up
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A na kraju mog govora, svi biste ustali
09:13
and you would go, "Thank you Plato, thank you Shakespeare, thank you Jane Austen."
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i ponavljali "Hvala Platone, hvala Shakespeare, hvala Jane Austen."
09:15
And we'd know that we had a real rhythm going.
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I znali bismo da smo dobro započeli ritam.
09:18
All right, all right. We're getting there. We're getting there.
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Dobo, dobro, napredujemo...napredujemo...
09:20
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
09:22
The other thing that religions know is we're not just brains,
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Nadalje, religije znaju da nemamo samo mozak,
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we are also bodies.
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nego i tijelo.
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And when they teach us a lesson,
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I kada nas uče,
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they do it via the body.
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one koriste tijelo.
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So for example,
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Tako, na primjer,
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take the Jewish idea of forgiveness.
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uzmimo Jevrejsku ideju oprosta.
09:34
Jews are very interested in forgiveness
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Jevreji su veoma zainteresirani za oprost
09:36
and how we should start anew and start afresh.
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i kako da počnu ispočetka.
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They don't just deliver us sermons on this.
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Propovijedi o tome nisu dovoljne.
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They don't just give us books or words about this.
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oni ne daju samo knjige o tome.
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They tell us to have a bath.
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Oni savjetuju da se okupamo.
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So in Orthodox Jewish communities, every Friday you go to a Mikveh.
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Tako u tradicionalnoj Jevrejskoj zajednici svaki petak idete na Mikveh.
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You immerse yourself in the water,
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Uronite u vodu.
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and a physical action backs up a philosophical idea.
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i fizička aktivnost potkrepljuje filozofsku ideju.
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We don't tend to do that.
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Mi to ne radimo tako.
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Our ideas are in one area and our behavior with our bodies is in another.
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Naše ideje su jedno, a tjelesno ponašanje nešto drugo.
09:57
Religions are fascinating in the way they try and combine the two.
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Fascinira način kako religije uspjevaju povezati oboje.
09:59
Let's look at art now.
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Pogledajmo sada umjetnost.
10:01
Now art is something that in the secular world,
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Umjetnost je nešto o čemu u sekularnom svijetu
10:04
we think very highly of. We think art is really, really important.
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imamo visoko mišljenje. Mislimo da je umjetnost jako važna.
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A lot of our surplus wealth goes to museums, etc.
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Dobar dio viške vrijednosti ulaže se u muzeje itd.
10:10
We sometimes hear it said
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Ponekad čujemo
10:12
that museums are our new cathedrals, or our new churches.
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da su muzeji naše nove katedrale, naše nove crkve.
10:15
You've heard that saying.
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Sigurno ste čuli tako nešto.
10:17
Now I think that the potential is there,
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Mislim da tu ima potencijala,
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but we've completely let ourselves down.
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ali smo sami sebe potpuno iznevjerili.
10:21
And the reason we've let ourselves down
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A razlog razočarenja
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is that we're not properly studying
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je to što nismo pravilno izučili
10:25
how religions handle art.
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kako su to riješile religije.
10:29
The two really bad ideas that are hovering in the modern world
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Dvije veoma loše ideje lebde u modernom svijetu
10:32
that inhibit our capacity to draw strength from art:
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i sprečavaju nas da izvučemo snagu iz umjetnosti.
10:36
The first idea is that art should be for art's sake --
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Prva ideja je da umjetnost treba biti sama sebi svrhom --
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a ridiculous idea --
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što je vrijedno podsmijeha --
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an idea that art should live in a hermetic bubble
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da umjetnost treba postojati u hermetički zatvorenom oblaku
10:42
and should not try to do anything with this troubled world.
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i da ne bi trebala imati veze sa problematičnom stvarnošću.
10:45
I couldn't disagree more.
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Uopće se ne slažem s tim.
10:47
The other thing that we believe is that art shouldn't explain itself,
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Druga greška je vjerovanje da umjetnost treba objasniti samu sebe,
10:50
that artists shouldn't say what they're up to,
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da umjetnici ne trebaju objašnjavati svoje namjere,
10:52
because if they said it, it might destroy the spell
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jer kada bi to otkrili, to bi uništilo čaroliju
10:54
and we might find it too easy.
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i moglo bi nam postati suviše jednostavno.
10:56
That's why a very common feeling when you're in a museum --
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Stoga često u muzejima imamo osjećaj -
10:58
let's admit it --
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- hajde da priznamo -
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is, "I don't know what this is about."
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"ne razumijem o čemu je ovdje riječ."
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But if we're serious people, we don't admit to that.
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Ali budući da smo ozbiljni ljudi, nećemo to priznati.
11:04
But that feeling of puzzlement is structural
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Ali taj osjećaj zbunjenosti je
11:07
to contemporary art.
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svojstven modernoj umjetnosti.
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Now religions have a much saner attitude to art.
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Religije imaju puno zdraviji pristup umjetnosti.
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They have no trouble telling us what art is about.
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Njima ne smeta pojasniti o čemu govori umjetnost.
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Art is about two things in all the major faiths.
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Umjetnost u svim velikim religijama govori o dvije važne stvari
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Firstly, it's trying to remind you
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Prvo, ona je tu da bi vas podsjetila
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of what there is to love.
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šta treba voljeti.
11:20
And secondly, it's trying to remind you
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Zatim, ona je tu da bi vas podsjetila
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of what there is to fear and to hate.
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čega se pojati i šta mrziti.
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And that's what art is.
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To je zapravo umjetnost.
11:26
Art is a visceral encounter with the most important ideas of your faith.
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Umjetnost je bazični susret sa njavažnijim idejama vjere.
11:29
So as you walk around a church,
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Tako, kada uđete u crkvu,
11:31
or a mosque or a cathedral,
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džamiju ili katedralu,
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what you're trying to imbibe, what you're imbibing is,
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ono što pokušavate upiti,
11:35
through your eyes, through your senses,
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očima i svim čulima,
11:37
truths that have otherwise come to you through your mind.
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istine koje su inače svjesno došle do vašeg uma.
11:39
Essentially it's propaganda.
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Zapravo, to je propaganda.
11:41
Rembrandt is a propagandist
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Rembrandt je propagandist
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in the Christian view.
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kršćanskog pogleda na svijet.
11:45
Now the word "propaganda" sets off alarm bells.
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Danas nam riječ "propaganda" pali upozoravajuće lampice
11:47
We think of Hitler, we think of Stalin. Don't, necessarily.
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Pomislimo na Hitlera, Staljina, što nije nužno.
11:49
Propaganda is a manner of being didactic in honor of something.
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Propaganda je način podučavanja u čast nečemu.
11:52
And if that thing is good, there's no problem with it at all.
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Ako se radi o nečen dobro, onda tu nema problema.
11:55
My view is that museums should take a leaf out of the book of religions.
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Mislim da bi muzeji trebali uzeti strnicu iz religijskih knjiga.
11:59
And they should make sure that when you walk into a museum --
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Trebali bi se pobrinuti da kada uđete u muzej-
12:01
if I was a museum curator,
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kada bih ja bio muzejski kustos,
12:03
I would make a room for love, a room for generosity.
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opremio bih prostoriju posvećenu ljubavi, ili sobu za velikodušnost.
12:06
All works of art are talking to us about things.
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Sva umjetnička djela nam govore o nečemu.
12:08
And if we were able to arrange spaces
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Kada bismo mogli urediti prostor
12:10
where we could come across works
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gdje bismo se susreli da djelima
12:12
where we would be told, use these works of art
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gdje bi nam bilo rečeno da ih koristimo
12:14
to cement these ideas in your mind,
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da utvrdimo te ideje u našu svijest,
12:16
we would get a lot more out of art.
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imali bismo puno više koristi od umjetnosti.
12:18
Art would pick up the duty that it used to have
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Umjetnost bi preuzela ulogu koju je nekad imala
12:21
and that we've neglected because of certain mis-founded ideas.
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a koju smo zapostavili zbog neosnovanih ideja.
12:24
Art should be one of the tools
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Umjetnost bi trebala biti jedan od načina
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by which we improve our society.
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da unaprijedimo društvo.
12:28
Art should be didactic.
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Umjetnost bi trebala podučavati.
12:31
Let's think of something else.
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Pomislimo nešto drugo.
12:33
The people in the modern world, in the secular world,
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Ljudi u današnjem modernom, sekularnom svijetu,
12:35
who are interested in matters of the spirit,
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koji su zainteresirani za duhovna pitanja,
12:37
in matters of the mind,
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za pitanja uma,
12:39
in higher soul-like concerns,
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za više duhovne sfere,
12:42
tend to be isolated individuals.
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često su izolovani pojedinci.
12:44
They're poets, they're philosophers, they're photographers, they're filmmakers.
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oni su pjesnici, filozofi, fotografi, filmski stvaraoci.
12:47
And they tend to be on their own.
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I oni teže da budu sami svoji.
12:49
They're our cottage industries. They are vulnerable, single people.
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Oni su kućne radinosti. Oni su ranjivi, usamljeni ljudi.
12:52
And they get depressed and they get sad on their own.
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Postaju depresivni i tužni tako usamljeni.
12:54
And they don't really change much.
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I zapravo ne mijenjaju puno toga.
12:56
Now think about religions, think about organized religions.
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Sada pomislite na organizovanu religiju.
12:58
What do organized religions do?
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Šta rade religijske organizacije?
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They group together, they form institutions.
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Grupišu se, formiraju institucije.
13:03
And that has all sorts of advantages.
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I to ima cijeli niz prednosti.
13:05
First of all, scale, might.
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Kao prvo obim, moć.
13:08
The Catholic Church pulled in 97 billion dollars last year
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Katolička crkva prikupila je 97 milijardi dolara prošle godine
13:11
according to the Wall Street Journal.
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prema Wall Street Journalu.
13:13
These are massive machines.
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Religije su moćni mehanizmi.
13:15
They're collaborative, they're branded, they're multinational,
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Oni sarađuju, imaju brendove, one su multinacionalne,
13:18
and they're highly disciplined.
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i one su veoma disciplinovane.
13:20
These are all very good qualities.
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Sve su ovo odlična svojstva.
13:22
We recognize them in relation to corporations.
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Prepoznajemo ih kod korporacija.
13:24
And corporations are very like religions in many ways,
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Korporacije liče na religije na mnogo načina,
13:26
except they're right down at the bottom of the pyramid of needs.
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osim što se nalaze na dnu piramide potreba.
13:28
They're selling us shoes and cars.
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One nam prodaju cipele i aute.
13:30
Whereas the people who are selling us the higher stuff --
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Dok su ljudi koji nam prodaju stvari višeg nivoa-
13:32
the therapists, the poets --
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terapeuti, pjesnici -
13:34
are on their own and they have no power,
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oni su usamljeni i nemaju snagu,
13:36
they have no might.
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nemaju moć.
13:38
So religions are the foremost example
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Tako da su religije najbolji primjer
13:41
of an institution that is fighting for the things of the mind.
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institucije koja se bori za pitanja svijesti.
13:44
Now we may not agree with what religions are trying to teach us,
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Sada, možemo se ne slagati sa sadržajem kojem nas religije uče,
13:47
but we can admire the institutional way
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ali moramo se diviti institucionalnom načinu
13:49
in which they're doing it.
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kako to one rade.
13:51
Books alone, books written by lone individuals,
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Same knjige, koje su napisali pojedinci,
13:54
are not going to change anything.
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neće ništa promijeniti.
13:56
We need to group together.
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Moramo se grupisati.
13:58
If you want to change the world, you have to group together, you have to be collaborative.
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Ako želimo promijeniti svijet, moramo se grupisati i sarađivati.
14:01
And that's what religions do.
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To je ono što religije čine.
14:03
They are multinational, as I say,
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One su multinacionalne, kao što rekoh.
14:05
they are branded, they have a clear identity,
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one su brendirane, imaju jasan identitet,
14:08
so they don't get lost in a busy world.
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tako da se ne izgube u pretrpanom svijetu.
14:10
That's something we can learn from.
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To je nešto što možemo naučiti.
14:12
I want to conclude.
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Želim zaključiti.
14:14
Really what I want to say
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Ono što zapravo želim reći
14:16
is for many of you who are operating in a range of different fields,
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je da za sve vas koji radite u različitim poljima,
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there is something to learn from the example of religion --
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postoji nešto što se od religije može naučiti --
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even if you don't believe any of it.
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čak i ako ne vjerujete ni u šta od toga.
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If you're involved in anything that's communal,
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Ako se bavite bilo čime zajedničkim,
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that involves lots of people getting together,
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što uključuje više ljudi zajedno,
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there are things for you in religion.
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postoje stvari u religiji za vas.
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If you're involved, say, in a travel industry in any way,
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Ako se uključeni u industriju, recimo u industriju putovanja na bilo koji način,
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look at pilgrimage.
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pogledajte hodočašća.
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Look very closely at pilgrimage.
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Pažljivo pogledajte hodočašća.
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We haven't begun to scratch the surface
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Nismo ni zagrebali površinu
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of what travel could be
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onoga što bi putovanje moglo biti
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because we haven't looked at what religions do with travel.
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jer nismo sagledali šta religije čine s putovanjima.
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If you're in the art world,
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Ako se bavite umjetnošću,
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look at the example of what religions are doing with art.
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pogledajte primjer šta religije rade s umjetnošću.
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And if you're an educator in any way,
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Ako podučavate na bilo koji način
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again, look at how religions are spreading ideas.
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opet, pogledajte kako religije šire ideje.
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You may not agree with the ideas,
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Možda se ne slažete sa idejama,
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but my goodness, they're highly effective mechanisms for doing so.
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ali, zaboga, postoje veoma efikasni mehanizmi za širenje ideja.
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So really my concluding point
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Tako da je moj zaključak
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is you may not agree with religion,
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da se ne morate slagati sa religijom,
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but at the end of the day,
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ali na kraju dana,
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religions are so subtle, so complicated,
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religije su tako suptilne, tako kompleksne,
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so intelligent in many ways
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tako inteligentne na mnogo načina
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that they're not fit to be abandoned to the religious alone;
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da ih nije prikladno prepustiti samo vjernicima;
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they're for all of us.
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one su za sve nas.
15:14
Thank you very much.
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Hvala mnogo.
15:16
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
15:33
Chris Anderson: Now this is actually a courageous talk,
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Chris Anderson: Ovo je zapravo hrabar govor,
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because you're kind of setting up yourself in some ways
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jer ste se izložili na neki način
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to be ridiculed in some quarters.
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podsmijehu nekih krugova.
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AB: You can get shot by both sides.
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AB: Možete biti pogođeni s obje strane.
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You can get shot by the hard-headed atheists,
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Mogu vas ubiti tvrdokorni ateisti,
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and you can get shot by those who fully believe.
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ili oni koji potpuno vjeruju.
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CA: Incoming missiles from North Oxford at any moment.
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CA: Svakog momenta mogu stići projektili iz sjevernog Oxforda.
15:48
AB: Indeed.
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AB: Uistinu.
15:50
CA: But you left out one aspect of religion
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CA: Ipak ste izostavili jedan aspekt religije
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that a lot of people might say
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za koji mnogi ljudi kažu
15:55
your agenda could borrow from,
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da ih možete posudi u svoju svrhu,
15:57
which is this sense --
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u smislu da je --
15:59
that's actually probably the most important thing to anyone who's religious --
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vjerovatno najvažnija stvar za sve koji su religiozni --
16:01
of spiritual experience,
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duhovno iskustvo,
16:03
of some kind of connection
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neke vrste povezanosti
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with something that's bigger than you are.
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sa nečim većim od nas samih.
16:07
Is there any room for that experience in Atheism 2.0?
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Postoji li mjesto za to u Ateizmu 2.0.?
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AB: Absolutely. I, like many of you, meet people
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AB: Apsolutno Kao i mnogi od vas
16:13
who say things like, "But isn't there something bigger than us,
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koji će reći, "Zar ne postoji nešto veće od nas,
16:16
something else?"
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našto drugo?"
16:18
And I say, "Of course." And they say, "So aren't you sort of religious?"
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Ja na to kažem,"Naravno." i oni odgovaraju, "Pa zar te to ne čini religioznim?"
16:21
And I go, "No." Why does that sense of mystery,
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Na šta ja odgovaram. "Ne." Čemu taj osjećaj misterije,
16:24
that sense of the dizzying scale of the universe,
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taj osjećaj vrtoglave veličine svemira,
16:27
need to be accompanied by a mystical feeling?
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mora biti vezan za mističnost?
16:30
Science and just observation
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Nauka i samo posmatranje
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gives us that feeling without it,
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daju nam taj osjećaj i bez toga,
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so I don't feel the need.
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tako da nemam potrebu.
16:36
The universe is large and we are tiny,
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Svemir je tako velik a mi tako mali,
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without the need for further religious superstructure.
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bez dodatne potrebe za religijskom superstrukturom.
16:42
So one can have so-called spiritual moments
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Tako da se može doživjeti takozvani spiritualni momentum
16:44
without belief in the spirit.
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i bez vjerovanja u spiritualno.
16:46
CA: Actually, let me just ask a question.
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CA: Zapravo, dozvolite mi jedno pitanje.
16:48
How many people here would say
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Koliko ljudi bi ovdje reklo
16:50
that religion is important to them?
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da im je religija važna?
16:54
Is there an equivalent process
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Postoji li ekvivalentan proces
16:57
by which there's a sort of bridge
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koji bi premostio
16:59
between what you're talking about and what you would say to them?
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ono o čemu govorite i ono što biste im rekli?
17:02
AB: I would say that there are many, many gaps in secular life
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AB: Rekao bih da postoje mnog praznine u sekularnom životu
17:04
and these can be plugged.
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koje treba popuniti.
17:06
It's not as though, as I try to suggest,
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Nije to tako striktno, što pokušavam reći,
17:08
it's not as though either you have religion
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da se mora birati između religije
17:10
and then you have to accept all sorts of things,
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kada morate prihvatiti svakojake stvari,
17:12
or you don't have religion
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ili nepostojanje religije
17:14
and then you're cut off from all these very good things.
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kada su vam nedostupni mnogi pozitivni aspekti.
17:17
It's so sad that we constantly say,
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Tužno je da stalno govorimo,
17:20
"I don't believe so I can't have community,
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"Ja nisam vjernik pa ne mogu imati zajednicu,
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so I'm cut off from morality,
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odsječen sam od moralnosti,
17:24
so I can't go on a pilgrimage."
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i ne mogu ići na hodočašće."
17:26
One wants to say, "Nonsense. Why not?"
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Želi se reći, "Besmislice. Zašto ne?"
17:28
And that's really the spirit of my talk.
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I to je zapravo srž moga govora.
17:30
There's so much we can absorb.
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Postoji mnogo toga što treba svariti.
17:32
Atheism shouldn't cut itself off from the rich sources of religion.
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Ateizam se ne bi trebao distancirati od bogatih izvora religije.
17:35
CA: It seems to me that there's plenty of people in the TED community
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CA: Čini mi se da postoji mnogo ljudi u TED zajednici
17:38
who are atheists.
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koji su ateisti.
17:40
But probably most people in the community
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Ali vjerovatno većina ljudi u zajednici
17:42
certainly don't think that religion is going away any time soon
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sigurno ne misli da će religija nestati u dogledno vrijeme
17:45
and want to find the language
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i želi naći jezik
17:47
to have a constructive dialogue
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konstruktuvnog dijaloga
17:50
and to feel like we can actually talk to each other
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i osjećaja da možemo razgovarati jedni s drugima
17:52
and at least share some things in common.
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i podijeliti ono što nam je zajedničko.
17:54
Are we foolish to be optimistic
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Jesmo li naivni u svom optimizmu
17:56
about the possibility of a world
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da je moguć svijet
17:58
where, instead of religion being the great rallying cry
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gdje, umjesto da religija bude bojni poklič
18:01
of divide and war,
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podjele i rata,
18:03
that there could be bridging?
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da bude poveznica?
18:05
AB: No, we need to be polite about differences.
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AB: Ne, moramo biti fini naspram razlika.
18:08
Politeness is a much-overlooked virtue.
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Finoća je često zanemarena vrlina.
18:10
It's seen as hypocrisy.
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Protumačena kao licemjerje.
18:12
But we need to get to a stage when you're an atheist
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Ali moramo doći u stanje gdje, kada ste ateista
18:14
and someone says, "Well you know, I did pray the other day,"
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i neko kaže, "Znaš, molio sam neki dan,"
18:17
you politely ignore it.
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vi to ljubazni ignorišete.
18:19
You move on.
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Nastavite dalje.
18:21
Because you've agreed on 90 percent of things,
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Jer se slažete sa 90 posto stvari,
18:24
because you have a shared view on so many things,
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jer dijelite mišljenja o toliko mnogo stvari,
18:26
and you politely differ.
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i pristojno se razlikujete.
18:28
And I think that's what the religious wars of late have ignored.
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I mislim da su to vjerski ratovi ignorisali.
18:32
They've ignored the possibility of harmonious disagreement.
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Ignorisali su mogućnost hramoničnog neslaganja.
18:36
CA: And finally, does this new thing that you're proposing
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CA: Na kraju, da li je novost koju predlažete
18:38
that's not a religion but something else,
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koji nije vjera nego nešto drugo,
18:40
does it need a leader,
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ako bude trebala vođu.
18:42
and are you volunteering to be the pope?
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javljate li se dobrovoljno da budete papa?
18:44
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
18:46
AB: Well, one thing that we're all very suspicious of
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AB: Naime, jedna stvar o kojoj smo veoma sumnjičavi
18:48
is individual leaders.
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su individualni lideri.
18:50
It doesn't need it.
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To nije potrebno.
18:52
What I've tried to lay out is a framework
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Ono što sam pokušao postaviti je okvir
18:54
and I'm hoping that people can just fill it in.
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i nadam se da će ga ljudi jednostavno ispuniti.
18:57
I've sketched a sort of broad framework.
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Skicirao sam grubi okvir.
18:59
But wherever you are, as I say, if you're in the travel industry, do that travel bit.
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Ali gdje god da ste, ako ste u putničkoj industriji, prihvatiti dio o putovanjim,
19:02
If you're in the communal industry, look at religion and do the communal bit.
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ako ste u društvenoj industriji, učite iz vjera dio o zajednicama.
19:05
So it's a wiki project.
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Tako da je to Wiki projekat.
19:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
19:09
CA: Alain, thank you for sparking many conversations later.
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CA: Alain, hvala za podsticanje brojnih narednih diskusija.
19:12
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Alain de Botton - PhilosopherThrough his witty and literate books -- and his new School of Life -- Alain de Botton helps others find fulfillment in the everyday.
Why you should listen
It started in 1997, when Alain de Botton turned away from writing novels and instead wrote a touching extended essay titled How Proust Can Change Your Life, which became an unlikely blockbuster in the "self-help"category. His subsequent books take on some of the fundamental worries of modern life (am I happy? where exactly do I stand?), informed by his deep reading in philosophy and by a novelist's eye for small, perfect moments. His newest book is The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work.
In 2008, de Botton helped start the School of Life in London, a social enterprise determined to make learning and therapy relevant in today's uptight culture. His goal is (through any of his mediums) to help clients learn "how to live wisely and well."
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