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Suleika Jaouad - Writer, teacher, activist
Writer Suleika Jaouad is changing the conversation about what it means to thrive in the wake of illness and life's unexpected interruptions.

Why you should listen

When Suleika Jaouad finally walked out of the hospital -- after countless rounds of chemo, a lifesaving clinical trial and a bone marrow transplant -- she was, according to the doctors, "cured." But as she would soon learn, a cure is not where the work of healing ends; it's where it begins. She set out on a 100-day, 15,000-mile road trip across the country to meet some of the people who had written to her during her time in the hospital. Her extraordinary journey resulted in her debut memoir, Between Two Kingdoms.

Jaouad is an Emmy-winning journalist, author, teacher and activist. Her career aspirations as a foreign correspondent were cut short when, at age 22, she was diagnosed with leukemia. She began writing the acclaimed New York Times column and video series "Life, Interrupted" from the front lines of her hospital bed and has since become a fierce advocate for those living with illness and other forms of adversity.

Jaouad served on Barack Obama's Presidential Cancer Panel, and her advocacy work, public speaking and reporting have brought her everywhere from the United Nations and Capitol Hill to a maximum security prison and a two-room schoolhouse in rural Montana.

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Suleika Jaouad: What almost dying taught me about living

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"The hardest part of my cancer experience began once the cancer was gone," says author Suleika Jaouad. In this fierce, funny, wisdom-packed talk, she challenges us to think beyond the divide between "sick" and "well," asking: How do you begin again and find meaning after life is interrupted?
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It was the spring of 2011,
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and as they like to say
in commencement speeches,
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I was getting ready
to enter the real world.
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I had recently graduated from college
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and moved to Paris to start my first job.
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My dream was to become
a war correspondent,
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but the real world that I found
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took me into a really different
kind of conflict zone.
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At 22 years old,
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I was diagnosed with leukemia.
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The doctors told me
and my parents, point-blank,
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that I had about a 35 percent chance
of long-term survival.
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I couldn't wrap my head around
what that prognosis meant.
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But I understood that the reality
and the life I'd imagined for myself
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had shattered.
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Overnight, I lost my job,
my apartment, my independence,
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and I became patient number 5624.
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Over the next four years
of chemo, a clinical trial
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and a bone marrow transplant,
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the hospital became my home,
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my bed, the place I lived 24/7.
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Since it was unlikely
that I'd ever get better,
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I had to accept my new reality.
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And I adapted.
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I became fluent in medicalese,
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made friends with a group
of other young cancer patients,
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built a vast collection of neon wigs
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and learned to use
my rolling IV pole as a skateboard.
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I even achieved my dream
of becoming a war correspondent,
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although not in the way I'd expected.
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It started with a blog,
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reporting from the front lines
of my hospital bed,
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and it morphed into a column
I wrote for the New York Times,
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called "Life, Interrupted."
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But --
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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But above all else,
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my focus was on surviving.
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And -- spoiler alert --
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(Laughter)
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I did survive, yeah.
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(Applause)
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Thanks to an army of supportive humans,
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I'm not just still here,
I am cured of my cancer.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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So, when you go through
a traumatic experience like this,
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people treat you differently.
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They start telling you
how much of an inspiration you are.
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They say you're a warrior.
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They call you a hero,
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someone who's lived
the mythical hero's journey,
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who's endured impossible trials
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and, against the odds,
lived to tell the tale,
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returning better and braver
for what you're been through.
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And this definitely lines up
with my experience.
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Cancer totally transformed my life.
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I left the hospital knowing
exactly who I was
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and what I wanted to do in the world.
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And now, every day as the sun rises,
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I drink a big glass of celery juice,
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and I follow this up
with 90 minutes of yoga.
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Then, I write down 50 things
I'm grateful for onto a scroll of paper
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that I fold into an origami crane
and send sailing out my window.
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(Laughter)
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Are you seriously believing any of this?
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(Laughter)
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I don't do any of these things.
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(Laughter)
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I hate yoga, and I have no idea
how to fold an origami crane.
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The truth is that for me,
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the hardest part of my cancer experience
began once the cancer was gone.
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That heroic journey
of the survivor we see in movies
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and watch play out on Instagram --
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it's a myth.
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It isn't just untrue, it's dangerous,
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because it erases the very real
challenges of recovery.
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Now, don't get me wrong --
I am incredibly grateful to be alive,
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and I am painfully aware
that this struggle is a privilege
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that many don't get to experience.
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But it's important that I tell you
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what this projection of heroism
and expectation of constant gratitude
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does to people who are trying to recover.
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Because being cured is not
where the work of healing ends.
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It's where it begins.
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I'll never forget the day
I was discharged from the hospital,
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finally done with treatment.
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Those four years of chemo
had taken a toll on my relationship
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with my longtime boyfriend,
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and he'd recently moved out.
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And when I walked
into my apartment, it was quiet.
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Eerily so.
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The person I wanted to call
in this moment,
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the person who I knew
would understand everything,
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was my friend Melissa.
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She was a fellow cancer patient,
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but she had died three weeks earlier.
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As I stood there in the doorway
of my apartment,
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I wanted to cry.
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But I was too tired to cry.
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The adrenaline was gone.
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I had felt as if the inner scaffolding
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that had held me together
since my diagnosis
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had suddenly crumbled.
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I had spent the past 1,500 days
working tirelessly to achieve one goal:
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to survive.
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And now that I'd done so,
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I realized I had absolutely
no idea how to live.
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On paper, of course, I was better:
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I didn't have leukemia,
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my blood counts were back no normal,
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and the disability checks
soon stopped coming.
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To the outside world,
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I clearly didn't belong in the kingdom
of the sick anymore.
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But in reality, I never felt
further from being well.
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All that chemo had taken
a permanent physical toll on my body.
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I wondered, "What kind of job can I hold
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when I need to nap for four hours
in the middle of the day?
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When my misfiring immune system
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still sends me to the ER
on a regular basis?"
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And then there were the invisible,
psychological imprints
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my illness had left behind:
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the fears of relapse,
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the unprocessed grief,
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the demons of PTSD that descended upon me
for days, sometimes weeks.
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See, we talk about reentry
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in the context of war and incarceration.
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But we don't talk about it as much
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in the context of other kinds
of traumatic experiences, like an illness.
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Because no one had warned me
of the challenges of reentry,
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I thought something must be wrong with me.
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I felt ashamed,
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and with great guilt,
I kept reminding myself
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of how lucky I was to be alive at all,
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when so many people
like my friend Melissa were not.
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But on most days, I woke up
feeling so sad and lost,
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I could barely breathe.
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Sometimes, I even fantasized
about getting sick again.
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And let me tell you,
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there are so many better things
to fantasize about
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when you're in your twenties
and recently single.
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(Laughter)
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But I missed the hospital's ecosystem.
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Like me, everyone in there was broken.
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But out here, among the living,
I felt like an impostor,
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overwhelmed and unable to function.
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I also missed the sense of clarity
I'd felt at my sickest.
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Staring your mortality straight in the eye
has a way of simplifying things,
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of rerouting your focus
to what really matters.
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And when I was sick,
I vowed that if I survived,
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it had to be for something.
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It had to be to live a good life,
an adventurous life,
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a meaningful one.
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But the question, once I was cured,
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became: How?
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I was 27 years old
with no job, no partner, no structure.
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And this time, I didn't have treatment
protocols or discharge instructions
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to help guide my way forward.
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But what I did have was an in-box
full of internet messages
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from strangers.
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Over the years,
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people from all over the world
had read my column,
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and they'd responded with letters,
comments and emails.
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It was a mix, as is often
the case, for writers.
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I got a lot of unsolicited advice
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about how to cure my cancer
with things like essential oils.
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I got some questions about my bra size.
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But mostly --
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(Laughter)
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mostly, I heard from people who,
in their own different way,
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understood what it was
that I was going through.
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I heard from a teenage girl in Florida
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who, like me, was coming out of chemo
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and wrote me a message
composed largely of emojis.
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I heard from a retired art history
professor in Ohio named Howard,
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who'd spent most of his life
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struggling with a mysterious,
debilitating health condition
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that he'd had from the time
he was a young man.
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I heard from an inmate
on death row in Texas
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by the name of Little GQ --
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short for "Gangster Quinn."
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He'd never been sick a day in his life.
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He does 1,000 push-ups
to start off each morning.
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But he related to what
I described in one column
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as my "incanceration,"
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and to the experience of being confined
to a tiny fluorescent room.
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"I know that our situations
are different," he wrote to me,
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"But the threat of death
lurks in both of our shadows."
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In those lonely first weeks
and months of my recovery,
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these strangers and their words
became lifelines,
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dispatches from people
of so many different backgrounds,
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with so many different experiences,
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all showing me the same thing:
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you can be held hostage
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by the worst thing
that's ever happened to you
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and allow it to hijack
your remaining days,
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or you can find a way forward.
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I knew I needed to make
some kind of change.
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I wanted to be in motion again
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to figure out how to unstuck myself
and to get back out into the world.
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And so I decided to go on
a real journey --
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not the bullshit cancer one
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or the mythical hero's journey
that everyone thought I should be on,
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but a real, pack-your-bags
kind of journey.
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I put everything I owned into storage,
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rented out my apartment, borrowed a car
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and talked a very a dear
but somewhat smelly friend
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into joining me.
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(Laughter)
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Together, my dog Oscar and I
embarked on a 15,000-mile road trip
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around the United States.
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Along the way, we visited some
of those strangers who'd written to me.
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I needed their advice,
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also to say to them, thank you.
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I went to Ohio and stayed with Howard,
the retired professor.
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When you've suffered a loss or a trauma,
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the impulse can be to guard your heart.
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But Howard urged me
to open myself up to uncertainty,
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to the possibilities
of new love, new loss.
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Howard will never be cured of illness.
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And as a young man, he had no way
of predicting how long he'd live.
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But that didn't stop him
from getting married.
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Howard has grandkids now,
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and takes weekly ballroom dancing
lessons with his wife.
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When I visited them,
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they’d recently celebrated
their 50th anniversary.
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In his letter to me, he'd written,
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"Meaning is not found
in the material realm;
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it's not in dinner, jazz,
cocktails or conversation.
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Meaning is what's left
when everything else is stripped away."
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I went to Texas, and I visited
Little GQ on death row.
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He asked me what I did
to pass all that time
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I'd spent in a hospital room.
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When I told him that I got
really, really good at Scrabble,
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he said, "Me, too!" and explained how,
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even though he spends most of his days
in solitary confinement,
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he and his neighboring prisoners
make board games out of paper
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and call out their plays
through their meal slots --
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a testament to the incredible tenacity
of the human spirit
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and our ability to adapt with creativity.
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And my last stop was in Florida,
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to see that teenage girl
who'd sent me all those emojis.
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Her name is Unique, which is perfect,
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because she's the most luminous,
curious person I've ever met.
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I asked her what she wants
to do next and she said,
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"I want to go to college and travel
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and eat weird foods like octopus
that I've never tasted before
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and come visit you in New York
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and go camping, but I'm scared of bugs,
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but I still want to go camping."
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I was in awe of her,
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that she could be so optimistic
and so full of plans for the future,
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given everything she'd been through.
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But as Unique showed me,
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it is far more radical
and dangerous to have hope
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than to live hemmed in by fear.
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But the most important thing
I learned on that road trip
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is that the divide between
the sick and the well --
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it doesn't exist.
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The border is porous.
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As we live longer and longer,
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surviving illnesses and injuries
that would have killed our grandparents,
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even our parents,
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the vast majority of us will travel
back and forth between these realms,
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spending much of our lives
somewhere between the two.
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These are the terms of our existence.
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Now, I wish I could say
that since coming home from my road trip,
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I feel fully healed.
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I don't.
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But once I stopped expecting myself
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to return to the person
I'd been pre-diagnosis,
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once I learned to accept my body
and its limitations,
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I actually did start to feel better.
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And in the end, I think that's the trick:
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to stop seeing our health as binary,
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between sick and healthy,
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well and unwell,
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whole and broken;
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to stop thinking that there's some
beautiful, perfect state of wellness
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to strive for;
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and to quit living in a state
of constant dissatisfaction
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until we reach it.
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Every single one of us
will have our life interrupted,
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whether it's by the rip cord
of a diagnosis
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or some other kind of heartbreak
or trauma that brings us to the floor.
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We need to find ways to live
in the in-between place,
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managing whatever body
and mind we currently have.
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Sometimes, all it takes is the ingenuity
of a handmade game of Scrabble
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or finding that stripped-down
kind of meaning in the love of family
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and a night on the ballroom dance floor,
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or that radical, dangerous hope
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that I'm guessing will someday
lead a teenage girl terrified of bugs
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to go camping.
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If you're able to do that,
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then you've taken the real hero's journey.
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You've achieved what it means
to actually be well,
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which is to say: alive, in the messiest,
richest, most whole sense.
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Thank you, that's all I've got.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Suleika Jaouad - Writer, teacher, activist
Writer Suleika Jaouad is changing the conversation about what it means to thrive in the wake of illness and life's unexpected interruptions.

Why you should listen

When Suleika Jaouad finally walked out of the hospital -- after countless rounds of chemo, a lifesaving clinical trial and a bone marrow transplant -- she was, according to the doctors, "cured." But as she would soon learn, a cure is not where the work of healing ends; it's where it begins. She set out on a 100-day, 15,000-mile road trip across the country to meet some of the people who had written to her during her time in the hospital. Her extraordinary journey resulted in her debut memoir, Between Two Kingdoms.

Jaouad is an Emmy-winning journalist, author, teacher and activist. Her career aspirations as a foreign correspondent were cut short when, at age 22, she was diagnosed with leukemia. She began writing the acclaimed New York Times column and video series "Life, Interrupted" from the front lines of her hospital bed and has since become a fierce advocate for those living with illness and other forms of adversity.

Jaouad served on Barack Obama's Presidential Cancer Panel, and her advocacy work, public speaking and reporting have brought her everywhere from the United Nations and Capitol Hill to a maximum security prison and a two-room schoolhouse in rural Montana.

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Suleika Jaouad | Speaker | TED.com

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